Business Why Content Owners let YouPorn.com watermark their clips like PAYSITE.COM/YOUPORN?

[Matyko]

Do you feel/know this is a mandatory?
Anyone ever said 'no' to this?

I was just browsing through their channels and it seems all sponsors let YouPorn over-watermark their content or they over-watermark their own content they upload there.

Some paysites have mixed content though, some with untouched and some with the YouPorn watermark.

[I know this is trend can be seen on PornHub and this 'tube family' as well]

As far as I can think about it this has benefits only for the tubes:

1) unique content
2) if content gets scraped they still have their name on it
3) SEO [?]
4) watermark traffic

On content owner side this means extra work [unless you let them do the watermarking their way..] and harms branding.

This is something I really dislike and need explanation to understand why so many accepting these 'rules'. I would rather bump the revshare/pps of the tubes than this..

Any other aspects are very welcome, let's discuss!

[Adraco]

Traffic is king.
Even if the user is sent away to join a paysite here and there, we all know that sooner or later he will quit that membership and come around looking for a new, fresh fix. And then guess what brand they want him to remember?

Kind of like how big brands look at you, as a lifetime customer. If you are unhappy with today's purchase, no problem, we will gladly refund it to you. Because, the value of that customer over a whole life time, will far exceed the single purchase. Really long term thinking and calculations.

[Socks]

I think it's just the big tubes protecting themselves from smaller tubes who simply scrape their sites. They know it's going to happen, so why not get some advantage from it. Also it cheapens the smaller tubes and makes the big ones look big.

Honestly I don't see a problem with it, I think sponsors really just don't want their watermarks covered up or removed.

[_Richard_]

a way to track typeins?

[Johny Traffic]

Originally Posted by Matyko

Do you feel/know this is a mandatory?
Anyone ever said 'no' to this?

I was just browsing through their channels and it seems all sponsors let YouPorn over-watermark their content or they over-watermark their own content they upload there.

Some paysites have mixed content though, some with untouched and some with the YouPorn watermark.

[I know this is trend can be seen on PornHub and this 'tube family' as well]

As far as I can think about it this has benefits only for the tubes:

1) unique content
2) if content gets scraped they still have their name on it
3) SEO [?]
4) watermark traffic

On content owner side this means extra work [unless you let them do the watermarking their way..] and harms branding.

This is something I really dislike and need explanation to understand why so many accepting these 'rules'. I would rather bump the revshare/pps of the tubes than this..

Any other aspects are very welcome, let's discuss!

You have been here for 10 years, made 6,000 posts and you really can't work this out?

[ctggls]

if you click site.com/youporn , it takes you to site.com but with youporn's affiliate linkcode . This way the also get a share if someone sign-ups from just direct typing ...

It's their rule if you want to upload as a partner. Of course as a partner you get faster approval and so on.
If you don't respect this rule then you can't upload as partner

They've doing it for years ....

[Manfap]

You used to have to link back to the big tgps on your gallery.
Is this any different?

We just pull the tubes affiliate code onto their subdomain.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Manfap

You used to have to link back to the big tgps on your gallery.
Is this any different?

We just pull the tubes affiliate code onto their subdomain.

Very different. Gallery html have recips, not the photos or videos in the gallery.

I am surprised youporn even allows the programs to have their own watermarks on any of the content. In today's mentality they really don't own the content anyway. Programs have become torrent seeds and not much else.

[candyflip]

Tracking. Much like the old four digit codes the telephone dating services used. Each code represented a different market or publication...so we always knew where the traffic was coming from.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by Socks

I think it's just the big tubes protecting themselves from smaller tubes who simply scrape their sites. They know it's going to happen, so why not get some advantage from it. Also it cheapens the smaller tubes and makes the big ones look big.

Honestly I don't see a problem with it, I think sponsors really just don't want their watermarks covered up or removed.

One vote for the scrape thing

Which kinda makes me smile --> In my book people used to complain about tubes 'scraping' their content, not big tubes complaining about the small tubes scraping them..

Honestly, this does not really makes sense: most of the uploaded content is not for content partner accounts. Or do they watermark all common user uploads and handle if that content belongs o to them exclusively?

Originally Posted by _Richard_

a way to track typeins?

One vote for tracking typeins

This is not that important, youporn won't stick to it - however no one confirmed so far that this is mandatory. I still have a feeling no one really tried to say no to this watermarking, or tried to swap it for some other benefit, like bumping pps or revshare %.

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

You have been here for 10 years, made 6,000 posts and you really can't work this out?

Does the OP makes you think I have no idea? Actually no one mentioned any other aspects so far, neither pro or contra. You are here for 12 years, so must be wiser than me, please share what I forgot about.

Originally Posted by ctggls

if you click site.com/youporn , it takes you to site.com but with youporn's affiliate linkcode . This way the also get a share if someone sign-ups from just direct typing ...

It's their rule if you want to upload as a partner. Of course as a partner you get faster approval and so on.
If you don't respect this rule then you can't upload as partner

They've doing it for years ....

If I get you well this is a vote for greed / little bit of extra money

- I know how this works and see it's benefit for the tube. But I still think this is absolutely NOT significant traffic, especially on a content partner channel where there are clickable links to the paysite.

- So if you don't let them have that tiny more traffic they don't let you upload your content and have all the special channel benefits, thus losing Way More money? Faster approval is the most minor thing in Content Partner Channel benefits in my book.

Originally Posted by Manfap

You used to have to link back to the big tgps on your gallery.
Is this any different?

We just pull the tubes affiliate code onto their subdomain.

This is Very Different.
Have you ever asked if it's a mandatory or had no problem with this ever?

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Very different. Gallery html have recips, not the photos or videos in the gallery.

I am surprised youporn even allows the programs to have their own watermarks on any of the content. In today's mentality they really don't own the content anyway. Programs have become torrent seeds and not much else.

More or less I take it as a vote for greed/bad mentality

Originally Posted by candyflip

Tracking. Much like the old four digit codes the telephone dating services used. Each code represented a different market or publication...so we always knew where the traffic was coming from.

A vote for tracking

If it's tracking I guess it's not mandatory, it should not be that important. But who knows, maybe some program owners are even happy about extra tracking?




Looking forward to hearing more, especially from Site/Program/Content owners.

[Barry-xlovecam]

This is exactly why we (and most cam companies) will not offer downloads to affiliate-tube sites -- they abuse the content with their own overlays, video ad roll-outs and their own overlaid watermarks.

I have 1000's of hours of recorded hard core amateur content for pay-per-view for our own customers. A lot of it is more than a year old ... remarketing opportunity lost ... oh well ...

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

a way to track typeins?

ding ding ding


Youporn doesn't do the watermarking either.

Let the conspiracy theorists post what they know nothing about, though..

[The Porn Nerd]

It IS mandatory or you cannot be a Contet Partner. This has been the rule sine 2009 when I started working with them. As I stated in another tube thread, YouPorn is the ONLY tube I do this for, every other tube gets the basic .com watermark.

YouPorn is still great for conversions so that's why I do it. There's a seperate YouPorn folder for each paysite with a re-direct on the index.html page with YouPorn's aff code. Now I do not know how many people type in www.paysite.com/YouPorn as opposed to simply www.paysite.com.

I do have a Stacounter code on all those re-directed YouPorn pages. It's a tiny amount, less than a hundred clicks a week.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

It IS mandatory or you cannot be a Contet Partner. This has been the rule sine 2009 when I started working with them. As I stated in another tube thread, YouPorn is the ONLY tube I do this for, every other tube gets the basic .com watermark.

YouPorn is still great for conversions so that's why I do it. There's a seperate YouPorn folder for each paysite with a re-direct on the index.html page with YouPorn's aff code. Now I do not know how many people type in www.paysite.com/YouPorn as opposed to simply www.paysite.com.

I do have a Stacounter code on all those re-directed YouPorn pages. It's a tiny amount, less than a hundred clicks a week.

Do you track the redirecting page with separate campaign as well? Only then can you tell if it's worth it or not.

[deltav]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

YouPorn is still great for conversions so that's why I do it. There's a seperate YouPorn folder for each paysite with a re-direct on the index.html page with YouPorn's aff code. Now I do not know how many people type in www.paysite.com/YouPorn as opposed to simply www.paysite.com.

I do have a Stacounter code on all those re-directed YouPorn pages. It's a tiny amount, less than a hundred clicks a week.

Yeah, I've never taken the time to try figuring out - as much as you'd be able to, at least - how many YouPorn surfers actually type in that extra directory after the domain. You'd think unless there was some mention of a special sale for YP users or something, the vast majority just enter domain.com.

I spoke with them at one point about this and they insisted that huge #s of folks do indeed type that crap in.

It *is* extra work for owners and like you that's the only site I do it for, because YP's conversions were solid (tho IMO they've dropped off like most tube traffic lately). If another site requested the same thing I'd refuse and actively convince other webmasters to refuse likewise - to make that a 'standard' requirement would be bad especially considering all the other questionable sacrifices we make for the sake of tubes.

[Matyko]

I am a bit afraid that other tubes will slowly start pushing the same request..

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Very different. Gallery html have recips, not the photos or videos in the gallery.

I am surprised youporn even allows the programs to have their own watermarks on any of the content. In today's mentality they really don't own the content anyway. Programs have become torrent seeds and not much else.

Because there is no gallery.

You used to supply a gallery to a tgp, you now supply a video to a tube.
the video is cobranded.

I like the typein traffic, and when every small tube rips/embeds their video atleast there's some way to get back to the original site.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Manfap

Because there is no gallery.

You used to supply a gallery to a tgp, you now supply a video to a tube.
the video is cobranded.

I like the typein traffic, and when every small tube rips/embeds their video at least there's some way to get back to the original site.

Unless the ones down the line strip the watermark completely like many do...which I guess is another story all together.

We've been shifting to promoting asian sites that do not allow foreigners to be affiliates. Their promo is 2-3 pics that show nothing and a gallery with dime size thumbs that do not get bigger. Ka-ching... Whooda thunk it.

[Ross]

It is for type in traffic. Believe it or not, users actually type that watermark in and the affiliate programs will put YOUPORN ref code on it to pay them out for sales. The conversion ratio on that type in traffic is amazing. It's to avoid traffic leaks, YouPorn provides millions of ad/video views, they want to be paid their affiliate commission.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Matyko

I am a bit afraid that other tubes will slowly start pushing the same request..

There was a time a couple years ago when Pornhub and XHamster and Tube8 required those extra watermarks. I refused, telling them the amount of extra work was unreasonable. Take the same video and watermark it 4-5-10 times? No way. But you can still sometimes see, on other tubes that scrape like YouJizz, videos with those /Pornhub or /Tube8 extensions so somebody must've been doing them. LOL

As for seperate 'campaigns' this is with re-directs and my own server so I don't know what you mean by that or how to set that up. Tracking the hits to that index page with the re-direct is the only way I know to see who hits that page. As for sales tho......harder to determine.

ALL tube traffic has been diminshed lately and it's a trend that will continue.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Manfap

Because there is no gallery.

You used to supply a gallery to a tgp, you now supply a video to a tube.
the video is cobranded.

I like the typein traffic, and when every small tube rips/embeds their video atleast there's some way to get back to the original site.

Original site?

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by SmutHammer

Original site?

What you struggling with, 'Original' or 'Site'?

[deltav]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

ALL tube traffic has been diminshed lately and it's a trend that will continue.

I'm going to start a thread about that soon. It's been pretty significant.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by deltav

I'm going to start a thread about that soon. It's been pretty significant.

I will be looking forward to that thread and reading your thoughts!