Should I Start a Tube Site In 2014?

[The Porn Nerd]

Let's hear your thoughts on whether it's worth it to launch a new tube site in 2014. I have a fantastic tube site domain name I've been sitting on for 3 years now but before now I was too busy with my paysite empire to focus on a tube of my own.

So is it still "worth it" to launch a tube in 2014? Almost everyone seems to have one.....and then I'm wondering if a Mech Bunny "template" site is the way to go or to really try a new design, something differant, to kick start the project. But first we need to determine if it's even worth the effort at this point.

Advice please?

[whOaKemosabe]

porn is dead

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[Zeiss]

It is. You can promote your own stuff there. Especially mobile tube (or mobile version) is absolutely worth it for European countries where you can have wap, sms payments and subscription for phones.

[LeRoy]

You have 30+ paysites.. why not??

[GAMEFINEST]

yeah why not?

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Zealotry

It is. You can promote your own stuff there. Especially mobile tube (or mobile version) is absolutely worth it for European countries where you can have wap, sms payments and subscription for phones.

Not sure I could improve on that answer!

[signupdamnit]

It's going to be pretty hard to draw in NEW business in any appreciable amounts. If you just want to make a few hundred extra month that is very do-able, but I wouldn't expect to be able to grow it into a million dollar operation in 2014. There is a reason Manwin/Mindgeek or whatever they are calling themselves this week is laying off staff and stiffing employees on the Holiday bonus. It seems to be a declining market. Not as bad as paysites but still it's no longer in the monetary growth phase.

[TheSquealer]

1 site? No.

[Stephen]

What will YOUR tube offer that a million other tubes don't already offer?

The "me too" mentality has hurt this business as much as any other factor has

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

1 site? No.

How many then?

Originally Posted by Stephen

What will YOUR tube offer that a million other tubes don't already offer?

The "me too" mentality has hurt this business as much as any other factor has

Mine would be paysite-owner friendly, with large thumbs (and more of them) on the Homepage, highly screened for quality, banners to the paysites underneath the players AND NTV (next to video, with only one big ad), screened comments (no 'add me' spam or cam spam), 'related videos' only to the same uploader's content (if he chooses to), ZERO cams or dating ads (what's the point with such foreseeably tiny amounts of traffic?), picture sets from Sponsers on the page, too (old school), and ZERO "user submitted" uploads.

Oh, and about 3,000 videos from my own paysite network to rotate.

Any other ideas on how to make it NOT like the myriad of tube sites out there?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

How many then?

Imagine I said "hey, I found this cool camera... I'm gonna start 30 paysites and an affiliate program"... What would you say? Do you think you'd have a satisfying answer for me?

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by whOaKemosabe

porn is dead

1500 posts

[blonda80]

yup, do it
good luck!

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

about 3,000 videos from my own paysite network to rotate.

Use your own clips exclusively then and make the tube into an extended tour

(I've been contemplating some of the issues for another project, where allowing other content providers to post material -- even registered partners -- can work against your larger efforts, when their content is better than yours, and seen in such a direct comparison)

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Use your own clips exclusively then and make the tube into an extended tour

(I've been contemplating some of the issues for another project, where allowing other content providers to post material -- even registered partners -- can work against your larger efforts, when their content is better than yours, and seen in such a direct comparison)

But if you're an affiliate of all those programs, then depending on how your content is setup it could be equally (or greater) profit for you. Imagine making 50% of every sale, ahhh the affiliate dream realized....

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Imagine I said "hey, I found this cool camera... I'm gonna start 30 paysites and an affiliate program"... What would you say? Do you think you'd have a satisfying answer for me?

Actually, if that question were seriously posed to me I would have a satisfying answer for you but I think your analogy does not hold in this instance. See, I would take the above statement/question as a serious inquiry into whether that person with a camera should begin the task of building 30 paysites etc. My answer would be yes - IF done "correctly", with focus and building one site after the other. And, of course, if the questioner had "reasonable expectations and timeframes" on whether his goal/dream could or would pan out.

I intend to only have a single tube not a network of them, or a bunch of 'niche' tubes. As you (or anyone) can see, I do things a tad differant* than others in this biz so of course my tube would be slightly sifferant. LOL

I'm still wondering if it's worth the effort tho. I would consider it a success if it brought in another $500 a week in total net revenue.

*That was going to be my original porn name: Tad Differant

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Actually, if that question were seriously posed to me I would have a satisfying answer for you but I think your analogy does not hold in this instance. See, I would take the above statement/question as a serious inquiry into whether that person with a camera should begin the task of building 30 paysites etc. My answer would be yes - IF done "correctly", with focus and building one site after the other. And, of course, if the questioner had "reasonable expectations and timeframes" on whether his goal/dream could or would pan out.

My point was that you seem to know nothing about a completely foreign business model. Not a big deal. But there is a massive learning curve to anything profitable as well as a large cost in time and investment. Why distract yourself because you "have a good domain name"? You haven't even stated any goals, so there are no good answers as the question has zero context as do most of the answers.

I will tell you that there are companies with less content than you, doing 30+ joins a day from submissions. I would imagine there is a great deal you could be doing that doesn't involve doing something you understand poorly and then only devoting some of your attention to it with no real desire to completely master it.

You have to define your goals, where you want to be in terms of traffic, revenue - evaluate the use of time resources and where they are best spent etc etc etc etc and then ask "does a single tube site fit into this model". I personally don't see a single domain/tube yielding anything compared to the cost in time/distraction. If you were going to start a massive network of scraper sites to feed a network of tube sites feeding into this single tube site and you had a plan and the experience of buying feeder traffic, filtering it through the network while working the seo side of things, that would be very different. But a single site?

[PornDude]

Yes, go for it.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

My point was that you seem to know nothing about a completely foreign business model. Not a big deal. But there is a massive learning curve to anything profitable as well as a large cost in time and investment. Why distract yourself because you "have a good domain name"? You haven't even stated any goals, so there are no good answers as the question has zero context as do most of the answers.

I will tell you that there are companies with less content than you, doing 30+ joins a day from submissions. I would imagine there is a great deal you could be doing that doesn't involve doing something you understand poorly and then only devoting some of your attention to it with no real desire to completely master it.

You have to define your goals, where you want to be in terms of traffic, revenue - evaluate the use of time resources and where they are best spent etc etc etc etc and then ask "does a single tube site fit into this model". I personally don't see a single domain/tube yielding anything compared to the cost in time/distraction. If you were going to start a massive network of scraper sites to feed a network of tube sites feeding into this single tube site and you had a plan and the experience of buying feeder traffic, filtering it through the network while working the seo side of things, that would be very different. But a single site?

I should've stated my (modest) Goal in my original post but stated it elsewhere: $500 a week in additional net profits for my company.

Now, having read the rest of your comments I would 100% agree with you about my lack of knowledge in this business model, my limited time and resources and sticking to what I know best (and, BTW, my company does more than 30+ joins a day via tube submissions alone on a good day, not counting 'organic' traffic and non-tube affiliate traffic).

But I must say I DO know a bit about the tubesite business model, having worked closely with the biggest ones on Earth for 3+ years and having many friends who run them. So I do know A. the time and expense required and B. the commitment and experience needed in the areas you outlined.

Now let's bring it back to scale here. I am NOT interested in attempting an Alexa 1000 or better tubesite. I am not interested in selling ads or traffic. I REJECT the current tube site business model that many more experienced, knowledgeable and well-funded have attempted and failed at. No, no - what I want is a small, boutique tube, maybe 100,000 uniques a day or even less, spotlighting the "best" of that day's video submissions, displayed in a way that actually helps paysite owners and helps make sales for them.

My current operation is mostly self-sufficient at this point, with many employees handling the 'heavy lifting' so now I must focus on traffic and affiliate sales. I thought I would start with a tube site but if not, then what? No way I'm playing either the SEO or feeder-traffic game. LOL

[seeandsee]

yes you should, everything else suck

[ctggls]

You shitty ass looser should stop posting, i' ve been promoting your sorry ass programs for 6 months now without any luck, far worse than any other program. You should just open a shit hole in 2014, dug yourself into it and don't come out. You are the biggest troll on gfy ever.. You and your shitty ass sales questions that you pose every two days.

[VinceRuth]

You have uniqoue content? Update content daily ? Hmm... is very hard in this niche,but good luck

[adultchatpay]

Tube has the biggest potential as always.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by ctggls

You shitty ass looser should stop posting, i' ve been promoting your sorry ass programs for 6 months now without any luck, far worse than any other program. You should just open a shit hole in 2014, dug yourself into it and don't come out. You are the biggest troll on gfy ever.. You and your shitty ass sales questions that you pose every two days.

IF you were an affiliate of mine (which I highly doubt) promoting my content for six months without a single sale then i would ask first what is wrong with you and/or your sites. As in, HOW are you promoting us (and what sites exactly)?

IF you were an affiliate and saw me here on GFY all the time and six months went by without a single sale you'd think you would, oh I don't know, CONTACT me (via ICQ or via email) and I could help sort out why you are not making sales and made sure you had the materials you needed to make sales.

But no you leave a snide-ass comment here. Makes me think you are NOT a Porn Nerd Cash affiliate. But if you are then you still have the option to contact me to make sales, snide comments or not.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Now let's bring it back to scale here. I am NOT interested in attempting an Alexa 1000 or better tubesite. I am not interested in selling ads or traffic. I REJECT the current tube site business model that many more experienced, knowledgeable and well-funded have attempted and failed at. No, no - what I want is a small, boutique tube, maybe 100,000 uniques a day or even less, spotlighting the "best" of that day's video submissions, displayed in a way that actually helps paysite owners and helps make sales for them.

My current operation is mostly self-sufficient at this point, with many employees handling the 'heavy lifting' so now I must focus on traffic and affiliate sales. I thought I would start with a tube site but if not, then what? No way I'm playing either the SEO or feeder-traffic game. LOL

Thats all very fair and well put. I would never think of starting a single site. Maybe its just me personally. I think of "networks". I think of the SEO potential of networks. The added search traffic of large networks vs a single site etc etc. But if the goal is 500.00 a week... and 2k a month (not saying from what), thats still going to take a modest amount of quality traffic to a single site. The reason I think about networks is that you also can't buy decent traffic for a single site but you can buy assloads of feeder traffic into a large network, pass it around, filter it and send quality traffic to the tube site. More sites gives you more opportunities for linking and many more opportunities for search traffic.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I am not interested in selling ads or traffic. I REJECT the current tube site business model that many more experienced, knowledgeable and well-funded have attempted and failed at. No, no - what I want is a small, boutique tube, maybe 100,000 uniques a day or even less, spotlighting the "best" of that day's video submissions, displayed in a way that actually helps paysite owners and helps make sales for them.

Good luck with it. I think it would be a welcomed change. However I think these days most tubes would not be able to pay their bandwidth bills on paysite sales alone. Especially with only the affiliate cut. There is a reason most are plastered with dating and cam ads. There is a reason they opened their own ad networks to sell traffic.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Good luck with it. I think it would be a welcomed change. However I think these days most tubes would not be able to pay their bandwidth bills on paysite sales alone. Especially with only the affiliate cut. There is a reason most are plastered with dating and cam ads. There is a reason they opened their own ad networks to sell traffic.

I know, I think of the actual running of such an operation and it comes down to this (I think, just postulating here):

Let's say you get 100,000+ uniques (my Goal). Let's say you do a great job of selling paysite Memberships to 10% of them. That leaves a whopping 90% that will not (and never will) buy a paysite Membership. That ain't what they're there for.

This same 90% might buy a cam show, or join a dating site. So believe me, I understand the dynamics. But for me I only realistically expect to garner about 10-20k traffic, not enough to really pump cams or dating, so instead I'll use it as a feeder of sorts to my own network (and a few affiliates). If traffic grows then I'll deal with the monetization "problem". LOL Chances are it will languish as so many other new tubes have done lately.

[adultmobile]

[freecartoonporn]

yes, why not, build you own traffic.

[whOaKemosabe]

Change the name back to Mr. Peabody Cash!

[amateurcanada]

We have a tube site for sale :P

[Roald]

in short, no don't do it. The idea you have lined out will not bring you the $500 a week you aim for. Also a 10% projection of people buying is way too high imo.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Roald

Also a 10% projection of people buying is way too high imo.

yup, this. 3% combined ctr + type-ins, then whatever your ratio is after that, even call it 1:100

that's 100k visits;
3k to sponsor
1:100 = 30 joins

which from the 100k traffic is 0.03%

way, way, way off of 10% buying

which is why tubes are monetized the way they are, and not for paysite sales (for the vast majority of tubes). paysite sales are the last thing that brings in $$$ (but obviously still add up), not the primary monetization by any stretch.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

My point was that you seem to know nothing about a completely foreign business model. Not a big deal. But there is a massive learning curve to anything profitable as well as a large cost in time and investment. Why distract yourself because you "have a good domain name"? You haven't even stated any goals, so there are no good answers as the question has zero context as do most of the answers.

I will tell you that there are companies with less content than you, doing 30+ joins a day from submissions. I would imagine there is a great deal you could be doing that doesn't involve doing something you understand poorly and then only devoting some of your attention to it with no real desire to completely master it.

You have to define your goals, where you want to be in terms of traffic, revenue - evaluate the use of time resources and where they are best spent etc etc etc etc and then ask "does a single tube site fit into this model". I personally don't see a single domain/tube yielding anything compared to the cost in time/distraction. If you were going to start a massive network of scraper sites to feed a network of tube sites feeding into this single tube site and you had a plan and the experience of buying feeder traffic, filtering it through the network while working the seo side of things, that would be very different. But a single site?

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

go ahead

[John-ACWM]

Good luck, you'll see the results and the success rate.

[CIVMatt]

What's the best solution to put up a video site for someone who just wants to put 20 or so videos online in a video blog-ish presentation? Not using something where you're going to be importing hundreds of videos, etc etc...

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

What's the best solution to put up a video site for someone who just wants to put 20 or so videos online in a video blog-ish presentation? Not using something where you're going to be importing hundreds of videos, etc etc...

Just a regular video blog w Wordpress, a nice theme and some plugins..

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

What's the best solution to put up a video site for someone who just wants to put 20 or so videos online in a video blog-ish presentation? Not using something where you're going to be importing hundreds of videos, etc etc...

do a search. Fris just posted a WP theme that does this.

[ITraffic]

buy xvideos.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Roald

in short, no don't do it. The idea you have lined out will not bring you the $500 a week you aim for.

You don't know that, you're speculating.

Originally Posted by Jel

yup, this. 3% combined ctr + type-ins, then whatever your ratio is after that, even call it 1:100

that's 100k visits;
3k to sponsor
1:100 = 30 joins

which from the 100k traffic is 0.03%

way, way, way off of 10% buying

which is why tubes are monetized the way they are, and not for paysite sales (for the vast majority of tubes). paysite sales are the last thing that brings in $$$ (but obviously still add up), not the primary monetization by any stretch.

I realize the numbers, and 10% was a pipe dream (BUT since it would be a 'diffferant tube' who really knows the CTR until we try) but I get your point.

Having said that, if we take YOUR numbers, equaling 30 joins a day, I WILL TAKE THAT. Why? Because 30 joins a day equals (about) $1,000 a day in revenue, not counting rebills. So that would blow away my $500 a week projection.

See? it's worth it. Thanks everyone! LOL

[VikingMan]

I have made two ultra niche tubes and do not have any aspirations of grandeur so my sites are successful for what I set out to do which is to advertise my products to my prime demographic.

[Yanks_Todd]

I would. Look at the models that are working the best. Focus on building a community and seeking out quality over quantity.

Consider niches with broad appeal and focus on them.

Reading the issues that Mind Geek is having internally really has made me wonder what they are doing wrong in the tube space.

One of the obvious things is that while they control massive tubes and traffic they don't seem to be differentiating them in any other way beyond the domains, logos and color schemes. Offer a twist.

Differentiate. Experiment with hybrid models. But go for it

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

I have made two ultra niche tubes and do not have any aspirations of grandeur so my sites are successful for what I set out to do which is to advertise my products to my prime demographic.

This is a smart man.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

You don't know that, you're speculating.



I realize the numbers, and 10% was a pipe dream (BUT since it would be a 'diffferant tube' who really knows the CTR until we try) but I get your point.

Having said that, if we take YOUR numbers, equaling 30 joins a day, I WILL TAKE THAT. Why? Because 30 joins a day equals (about) $1,000 a day in revenue, not counting rebills. So that would blow away my $500 a week projection.

See? it's worth it. Thanks everyone! LOL

You ask a question, I reply based on my knowledge of traffic (pretty sure I have a tad bit more experience here).

Go ahead and please prove me wrong

For some reason when I reply to your threads you always seem to think I'm bullshitting you cause I hardly ever agree with you or say what you want to hear??

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Roald

You ask a question, I reply based on my knowledge of traffic (pretty sure I have a tad bit more experience here).

Go ahead and please prove me wrong

For some reason when I reply to your threads you always seem to think I'm bullshitting you cause I hardly ever agree with you or say what you want to hear??

No, it's because I see you bullshitting in most threads (having fun) so I assume you do that in my threads, too. LOL I appreciate your experience with traffic, I really do, but $500 a WEEK in extra revenue from a tube with 100k uniques? C'mon Roald, even a dribbling moron could do that revenue. LOL

As I stated, zero interest in trying to create a "big" tube because I think that's unreasonable in today's climate, unless you want to pump hundreds of thousands into it (which I don't).

[Roald]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

No, it's because I see you bullshitting in most threads (having fun) so I assume you do that in my threads, too. LOL I appreciate your experience with traffic, I really do, but $500 a WEEK in extra revenue from a tube with 100k uniques? C'mon Roald, even a dribbling moron could do that revenue. LOL

As I stated, zero interest in trying to create a "big" tube because I think that's unreasonable in today's climate, unless you want to pump hundreds of thousands into it (which I don't).

First get to that 100k with the idea you lined out above and then get to that $500/week.

as Teencat would say, have luck!!

[PornDiscounts-V]

Beeg makes money selling website memberships. I wish all tubes were like beeg.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by vvvvv

Beeg makes money selling website memberships. I wish all tubes were like beeg.

How do you get a hold of beeg?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

How do you get a hold of beeg?

Tough to do LOL

Honestly now, no one really "knows" how the tube site business model will play itself out over the new few years. Laws could affect the business model, many tubes closing could have an affect, paysite owners/programs refusing to 'play ball' could be a factor. Really, who knows?

So I will try my little idea and we will see what we see. LOL

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

How do you get a hold of beeg?

I know the beeg guy he's cool, he uses ICQ