Europeans: What is your take on the migration crisis ??

[Scott McD]

Dominating the news now, the images of the drowned boy yesterday (I won't repost it) seems to have got everyone's attention.

I'm hearing a lot of blaming, and calls for every country to take their share, but no actual suggestions as to how to actually fix the problem outright.

How will this one pan out either short or long term ??

[rogueteens]

The liberals are positively wetting themselves over this photo, its a dream cum true for them - the media are now in full-on guilt mode trying to push through a total breakdown of any sort of border.

Sad as it may sound but i'm really hoping that something happens tomorrow to push this story off the front pages otherwise the left could guilt-trip their way into pushing through policies that will have dire consequences for the British people.

[MaDalton]

i have no hope for a reasonable debate about this on GFY

[mineistaken]

Negative take. Fucking libtards letting ILLEGAL economic migrants in. Anyone who thinks positive about that is a traitor and a parasite of the continent.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i have no hope for a reasonable debate about this on GFY

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Negative take. Fucking libtards letting ILLEGAL economic migrants in. Anyone who thinks positive about that is a traitor and a parasite of the continent.

took not even 5 minutes

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

The liberals are positively wetting themselves over this photo, its a dream cum true for them - the media are now in full-on guilt mode trying to push through a total breakdown of any sort of border.

Sad as it may sound but i'm really hoping that something happens tomorrow to push this story off the front pages otherwise the left could guilt-trip their way into pushing through policies that will have dire consequences for the British people.

Many people have commented on the fact the family weren't actually fleeing from Syria at the time, they were actually moving on from Turkey. A "safe" country. So it was the mother and father who decided to take the risky journey which has cost the lives of the children. And the mother also...

[EddyTheDog]

The pics of the kid where really heart breaking - I feel for them - But not in my backyard please...

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

took not even 5 minutes

Sure, because not a leftist liberal guilter way is not reasonable

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i have no hope for a reasonable debate about this on GFY

heads-up, the thread was asking for people's personal views on it, good job pointing your finger at others when they do that. i'm not surprised it's coming from you.

[j3rkules]

I wonder why they abandon their families so easily.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Many people have commented on the fact the family weren't actually fleeing from Syria at the time, they were actually moving on from Turkey. A "safe" country. So it was the mother and father who decided to take the risky journey which has cost the lives of the children. And the mother also...

Fact, no question about it. Libtards are not famous for thinking logically though.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

But not in my backyard please...

Beware of Madalton

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by jerkules

I wonder why they abandon their families so easily.

Can't be, they are "running from war" ... Would not leave families

[j3rkules]

In the last centuries of Roman Empire they built so-called "limes" - the lines of defense on the borders. But this defensive system failed to help them against barbarians when it turned out that there were no effective soldiers to man the limes. It was the time when libertarians thrived and soldiers were not respected. Today we see the same in Europe again with only one but substantial difference: in the times of Great Transmigration the majority of invaders were the same Europeans (Germanic tribes mainly). Today the newcomers have different ancestry, language and religion. You may welcome them as Merkel does but sooner or later it will backfire.

By the way, winter comes, soon there'll be a break.

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Many people have commented on the fact the family weren't actually fleeing from Syria at the time, they were actually moving on from Turkey. A "safe" country. So it was the mother and father who decided to take the risky journey which has cost the lives of the children. And the mother also...

Money. They are here for money.

[Scott McD]

If Britain hadn't allowed years of mass immigration to "non refugees", then maybe we would be in a better position to accept people who do actually need our help.

As is it, it seems the genuine refugees will pay the price for that. Which is sad...

[C H R I S]

It's very sad seeing these refugees dieing by the hundreds every other day at the hands of smugglers.

[Joshua G]

maybe europe should stop taking security welfare from us military & defend themselves for a change. i know europe & everyone else has been begging for the USA to invade syria, & bring peace. do it yourselves. or else take in those people, who are getting slaughtered by ISIS just like "special" germans did a while back, & what did france do with those refugees? Lulz.

or are you dumbasses gonna repeat history?

[Rochard]

I wonder what impact the Internet has had on this.... Growing up as a kid in the 1980s I had no idea what life was really like in other countries. We heard stories and saw a handful of pictures, but that was it.

Now with the Internet they see how "richer" countries live and they say "I want that".

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

If Britain hadn't allowed years of mass immigration to "non refugees", then maybe we would be in a better position to accept people who do actually need our help.

As is it, it seems the genuine refugees will pay the price for that. Which is sad...

it is sad - because "we" (as in US, UK, France, Germany and a couple others) are responsible for the situation in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

we helped overthrowing their governments, helped growing IS and watched how those countries were becoming failed states and turned into rubble

if I was in Syria I'd also try my best to get the fuck out of there

of course the solution cannot be to move 19 million Syrians to Europe but what would make actually sense would be supporting countries like Turkey, Lebanon etc financially so they can deal better with the refugees locally.

Lebanon has 4.5 million people and has taken so far more than 1 million refugees from Syria - and Lebanon is really not a rich country

EU has 500 million people, is rich, and people are turning into Nazis over not even a million refugees (while we sit comfortably at home and watch how more bombs are thrown, people getting beheaded, women getting raped and so on)

and then i have to read racist retards like Mineistaken with his constant "libtard" crab...

jesus fucking christ...

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Dominating the news now, the images of the drowned boy yesterday (I won't repost it) seems to have got everyone's attention.

I'm hearing a lot of blaming, and calls for every country to take their share, but no actual suggestions as to how to actually fix the problem outright.

How will this one pan out either short or long term ??

US foreign policy has fucked the world up so much that adjacent continents are feeling the shit.

Since the USA was the main culprit and the main bomb dropper and terrorist in the middle east, all the refugees should be shipped to the USA.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Growing up as a kid in the 1980s I had no idea what life was really like in other countries. We heard stories and saw a handful of pictures, but that was it.

dude. isaac newton invented gravity in 1492. if you dont possess knowledge, thats on you. besides immigration is a fact of civilization. people been moving for a better place since the cave man.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

all the refugees should be shipped to the USA.

well to be fair, more like dubya's texas ranch. not all americans were OK with going in that shithole.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Negative take. Fucking libtards letting ILLEGAL economic migrants in. Anyone who thinks positive about that is a traitor and a parasite of the continent.

Always reliably the biggest asshole with the biggest asshole comment. Do you know anyone who likes you? I mean personally, not on the internet.

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

dude. isaac newton invented gravity in 1492. if you dont possess knowledge, thats on you. besides immigration is a fact of civilization. people been moving for a better place since the cave man.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

will this one pan out either short or long term ??

It will pan out to shit and then to more shit.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

US foreign policy has fucked the world up so much that adjacent continents are feeling the shit.

Since the USA was the main culprit and the main bomb dropper and terrorist in the middle east, all the refugees should be shipped to the USA.

think about it. That boy would have never drowned in the ocean if George Bush hadn't been pushed into finishing his daddy's job in Iraq.

[MaDalton]

of course people would only leave a place like this because of money - otherwise it's quite pleasant here





















and here's to every fucking racist on this board

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

maybe europe should stop taking security welfare from us military & defend themselves for a change. i know europe & everyone else has been begging for the USA to invade syria, & bring peace. do it yourselves. or else take in those people, who are getting slaughtered by ISIS just like "special" germans did a while back, & what did france do with those refugees? Lulz.

or are you dumbasses gonna repeat history?

I have always had this notion that Europe is able to afford the more all-encompassing welfare programs because they don't need to spend as much money on military as we do, because we do it. At the same time, we get knocked for it everyday and suffer our own issues because of our massive military spending.

I have not looked at the actual numbers though, but I'm betting I'm not that far off.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

besides immigration is a fact of civilization. people been moving for a better place since the cave man.

Kudos for some people, not so kudos for the others. If you look any of the history's big migrations there have been bunch of losers in those. Those migrations have shaped populations and geopolitics significantly.

Yes, everything can be in seen objectively when you look past enough, even somewhat newer happenings, like Adolf Hitler making genocides. Nothing new in there neither, but somehow if it would happen right now again; I wouldn't be just "Hey, there have always been genocides, it is a fact of civilization."

Besides genocides, there are also other shitty things; some of those happen right now, right here.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Many people have commented on the fact the family weren't actually fleeing from Syria at the time, they were actually moving on from Turkey. A "safe" country. So it was the mother and father who decided to take the risky journey which has cost the lives of the children. And the mother also...

Its suiting the media's agenda to downplay that fact though.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and here's to every fucking racist on this board

Seriously? You are resorting to that tired out and overplayed (and very, very boring) "R" word retort - the usual word of the left-winger with no actual valid argument. It's not the 1980's anymore.

[webgurl]

Anybody know of a reputable place / site that I can donate to Syria's situation? Thanks

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Seriously? You are resorting to that tired out and overplayed (and very, very boring) "R" word retort - the usual word of the left-winger with no actual valid argument. It's not the 1980's anymore.

when I am called a "libtard" because I don't want people fleeing from war to die?

yes, 100%

and i think i made some very valid arguments in this thread already

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by webgurl

Anybody know of a reputable place / site that I can donate to Syria's situation? Thanks

I think in general these people do good work - not just in Syria

MSF UK | Medical aid where it is needed most. Independent. Neutral. Impartial.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

when I am called a "libtard" because I don't want people fleeing from war to die?

yes, 100%

and i think i made some very valid arguments in this thread already

at what point do they stop fleeing from the war? The first safe country? Or all the way to western Europe? Are the asylum seekers refusing to register in Hungary and protesting because they want to go to Germany instead real asylum seeker or illegal economic migrants?
The boy that drowned had a safe haven in turkey but chose to illegally carry on west, are they still asylum seekers even though they were already in a safe country?

[aka123]

The real problem is the scale. Even if they would be just tourists it would cause problems. The scale is just too big and they intent on staying, opposite to what tourists do.

They will probably do war in Middle East, Africa, etc. the next fucking thousand years as they have done the last thousand years. This will end into shit with current course.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

at what point do they stop fleeing from the war? The first safe country? Or all the way to western Europe? Are the asylum seekers refusing to register in Hungary and protesting because they want to go to Germany instead real asylum seeker or illegal economic migrants?
The boy that drowned had a safe haven in turkey but chose to illegally carry on west, are they still asylum seekers even though they were already in a safe country?

have you ever had to flee from a war? I assume not.

Syria Regional Refugee Response - Turkey

there are 2 million Syrian refugees in Turkey - the conditions there are gruesome

try going there for a week and then tell me how you like it

i wrote above that I would prefer that we help countries like Turkey to cope with the situation locally

but to assume that someone enters a rubber boat with his small children and risks his and their life so they can enjoy Germany like they are going on vacation? please...

[BlackCrayon]

there is no good answer but what will happen is that the will end up in countries where they don't speak the language, can't find work and will end up on government assistance.

[MaDalton]

and for the record - i really do not condone all the Serbians, Albanians etc. pretending to seek asylum and this way ruining it for those that really need it. as far as i know there is no war in those countries

[j3rkules]

Only 57% of of peace loving Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. How many Americans would think it’s ok to hijack an Arab airliner and crash it into a mosque on Ramadan.
In all the Middle Eastern countries surveyed – Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia and the Palestinian territories – majorities answered "No" to the question: "Should society accept homosexuality?"

In Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia and the Palestinian territories the majorities saying "No" were extremely large – well over 90%.

It says it all.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

think about it. That boy would have never drowned in the ocean if George Bush hadn't been pushed into finishing his daddy's job in Iraq.

i have thunk about it. this all started with the Syrian civil war, and continues that way. those Syrians started the civil war by trying to create democracy there.

the USA has also donated $4 billion dollars to the Syrian humanitarian efforts,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...5f6_story.html

After Turkey, which says it has spent $6 billion taking care of refugees, the United States is the largest single donor to the Syrian humanitarian effort, with $4 billion provided so far to refugees as well as the people displaced inside Syria.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

there is no good answer but what will happen is that the will end up in countries where they don't speak the language, can't find work and will end up on government assistance.

I hope for Germany's sake they know what they are doing because saying they will accept 800,000 + just now, housing, jobs, benefits, and then breeding in the years to come might just be a few major problems they aren't considering right now...

[nico-t]

Solution:
US government needs to step in and let ALL of the immigrants coming from the middle east in. Fabricated war in Iraq, chain reaction, now everything in that region is completely fucked more than it ever was. And European countries are getting fucked because of that.

Then again we don't want to give the people in the US the blame by putting muslims where they live.

Solution:
I think it's best that the corrupt US politicians get their own state, preferably all the way north in the top of Alaska. Let all the immigrants from the middle east also live in that state. Problem solved.

[Paul&John]

I see mainly 0-4 year old kids on every photo, why does anyone would plan/have a child when there is a civil war in his country? (the Syrian Civil War started in 2011).. In the western societies (at least the educated ones) plan kids and have them only when they have a solid base for family etc.

On a different note: Migrant crisis: Why Syrians do not flee to Gulf states - BBC News

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

maybe europe should stop taking security welfare from us military & defend themselves for a change. i know europe & everyone else has been begging for the USA to invade syria, & bring peace. do it yourselves. or else take in those people, who are getting slaughtered by ISIS just like "special" germans did a while back, & what did france do with those refugees? Lulz.

or are you dumbasses gonna repeat history?

Europe should defend themselfs? Defend themselfs against what exactly? What country in the world is planning to attack Europe?
No one is/was begging the US to invade Syria... There was talk about bombing Syria after that "chemical weapon" thing....not invading them... and everything was discussed within the context of the United Nations.

Originally Posted by Joshua G

dude. isaac newton invented gravity in 1492.

Owh ok... well... never mind... just forget what i have said... have a nice day...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Europe should defend themselfs? Defend themselfs against what exactly? What country in the world is planning to attack Europe?
No one is/was begging the US to invade Syria... There was talk about bombing Syria after that "chemical weapon" thing....not invading them... and everything was discussed within the context of the United Nations.





Owh ok... well... never mind... just forget what i have said... have a nice day...

both world wars started in europe. as well as other big wars throughout history.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

both world wars started in europe. as well as other big wars throughout history.

Hey this is 2015... not the 40s...

"maybe europe should stop taking security welfare from us military & defend themselves for a change."

So... again... against what exactly should we defend ourselfs....?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Hey this is 2015... not the 40s...

"maybe europe should stop taking security welfare from us military & defend themselves for a change."

So... again... against what exactly should we defend ourselfs....?

right, history doesn't count on account of, you know, it's history. that's how ww2 started.

figure it out yourself.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

right, history doesn't count on account of, you know, it's history. that's how ww2 started.

figure it out yourself.

"maybe europe should stop taking security welfare from us military & defend themselves for a change."

stop taking I don't think he's speaking in the past tense... so... against what threat the US is protecting Europe....?

speaking about ww2... that was far from security "welfare"... it was just a US business deal...