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TheMaster · 02-20-2018, 03:48 AM

2 payments pending now

cordoba · 02-21-2018, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMaster

2 payments pending now

Lucky you.

What about the dozens of affiliates they owe $xx,xxx to and aren't even replying to their e-mails?

Does anyone know how to contact Ian Paul, the 'Informations Officer' for Naughty America?

TheMaster · 02-21-2018, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cordoba

What about the dozens of affiliates they owe $xx,xxx to and aren't even replying to their e-mails?

I know people that are owed $xxx,xxx

EliteWebmaster · 02-23-2018, 05:35 AM

Anyone on here that has full access to Naughty America members area? If you do, send me an email

BigFurry · 02-26-2018, 04:00 AM

Still no payment

TheMaster · 02-26-2018, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry

Still no payment

no, they say they are aware of it

pamon · 02-26-2018, 10:41 AM

Another week of waiting I'm sure ahead

alenci · 02-26-2018, 12:14 PM

I am also still waiting after 4 emails and replying to "Crystal"

pamon · 02-26-2018, 01:03 PM

Ok after another email got paid via PayPal. Told Mike to pay me and close the account and I knew they were not paying other affiliates yet posting new stuff daily. PayPal arrived and I'm done with NA.

Axeman · 02-26-2018, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pamon

Ok after another email got paid via PayPal. Told Mike to pay me and close the account and I knew they were not paying other affiliates yet posting new stuff daily. PayPal arrived and I'm done with NA.

Glad to hear they paid you, even when you said you wanted to close out the account. Hopefully they start getting on track and getting everyone paid and up to date.

EliteWebmaster · 02-27-2018, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pamon

Ok after another email got paid via PayPal. Told Mike to pay me and close the account and I knew they were not paying other affiliates yet posting new stuff daily. PayPal arrived and I'm done with NA.

Good that you got paid Pamon finally. I love how you told them to close your account, they are simply not worth the hassle to promote when they are actively ripping off affiliates.

BCPD · 03-01-2018, 04:13 PM

I feel like there should be some sort of list of known shady affiliate programs such as Naughty Revenue. Would have saved me a ton of hassle if I had spent the resources promoting different programs from the start.

BigFurry · 03-02-2018, 02:06 AM

They still owe me, and they still don't respond

Ramp · 03-02-2018, 03:32 AM

I have pending payment too. Not getting a response via email either.

ha33y · 03-02-2018, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyJohnson

ha33y, I don't agree with the way you have spoken about my co-workers. You show a serious lack of class in the words you chose I hope you think twice about them and decide to apologize. That being said, I'd like to know your affiliate info so that I can deal with you appropriately. I hope to hear from you.

Hello Naughty Johnson, first of all i still didn't got my money cause i am tired of mailing you, morons, the second thing is that i don't give a fuck about what you agree with or not, Scott is a lazy retarded fucker who doesn't give a fuck about his work, Crystal is a lazy fuck also and you all are a bunch of no good lazy fucks and Naughty America needs fuckers like you so you can scam the hard working people and about confronting you i would reallyl ike to meet you in person all of you so we can talk like real people and i would explain to you some things, i hope you all liars who work for naughtyfuckers.com also taste your own medicine one day and you will also have to beg for your money.

I wrote this just to encourage all you affiliates to don't work for this mtf scamming people at naughtyrevenue.

Freedom6995 · 03-09-2018, 09:49 PM

back to the top

TheMaster · 03-13-2018, 11:28 AM

still no peep from Crystal

american pervert · 03-14-2018, 01:48 PM

craziness

Holy Damage · 03-14-2018, 02:11 PM

links pulled

ciriac · 03-15-2018, 08:05 AM

And what about Sensational Cash? Any contact? Same like NaughtyRevenue, no payout!

Zombify · 03-20-2018, 02:13 PM

3 pending payments now, sent many messages to Crystal, no replies.

TheMaster · 03-20-2018, 02:52 PM

no reply from Mike either

Smart Fred · 03-24-2018, 12:41 AM

Hi guys,

I've been waiting to see what will happen with my payment request before writing anything new on this thread.

So I first asked to Mike a payment on mid-february who relay it to Crystal.
3 weeks later as I had no news I told Mike I had to email Crystal an Joe.
2 more weeks later I could confirm what many of you have written: no payment, no email answer from NA accountancy.

The way I advert porn, NA is one of the best converting site. Previously it was 30% of my income so I couldn't pulled out all the links. As I saw this kind of trouble coming, I've diversified my activities and now NA is only 15% of my income. They still owe me some $2,000.

I could understand cash flow problems. I could understand Crystal may be swamped with work. But not having an answer to an email from neither Crystal, nor Joe, no sorry, no, I couldn't understand it.

So whatever the reasons if in two weeks, April 7, I've not been paid, I will take actions and sanctions towards NA. Doing this alone won't trouble them, but if many affiliates do the same actions and sanctions at the same time that could hit the minds in the porn business.

I really hope to come back in two weeks telling you I've been paid and there's still hope at promoting NA.

SexVR · 03-28-2018, 03:43 PM

Haven't received last 3 payouts! We have decided to pull their links till we get paid!

Crystal doesn't reply to any mails. Joe doesn't reply. Mike just says he will chase it up with accounting.

This is a fucking joke.

Andrew

Zombify · 03-28-2018, 03:49 PM

I'm going to speculate they have been heavily sued and are using affiliate funds to pay it off every month. I know there was a company who had VR patents going after adult VR companies. This seems the most likely reason for the downfall of their affiliate program.

MrBottomTooth · 03-28-2018, 07:11 PM

I emailed them again and asked for them to please go check to see if Crystal was physically ok as i feared she might have had a medical emergency months ago and could be sitting dead in her office chair.

geirlur · 03-29-2018, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SexVR

Haven't received last 3 payouts!

Same here

TheMaster · 03-29-2018, 07:44 AM

bump for an Easter payment

ctggls · 03-29-2018, 08:02 AM

Posted just to add myself to long list of not paid affiliates. Of course, no response to my emails

Smart Fred · 03-29-2018, 12:37 PM

I was waiting for an accounting email from 5 weeks. Not strangely, I received an email on monday after posting my message here and on XBiz saturday.

I answered them my point of view about this situation. As a result payment received wednesday and account closed. I prefer it this way even if it's really unfortunate cause they have a great site.

When you run a classic company, you can't afford to have customers that don't pay otherwise you risk bankrupcy. That's not because as affiliates our income is always bigger than our bills that we have to run our business differently from a classic company.

Good luck in getting your payment and good luck to NA to solve their cash flow problem if any.

ctggls · 03-29-2018, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smart Fred

I was waiting for an accounting email from 5 weeks. Not strangely, I received an email on monday after posting my message here and on XBiz saturday.

I answered them my point of view about this situation. As a result payment received wednesday and account closed. I prefer it this way even if it's really unfortunate cause they have a great site.

When you run a classic company, you can't afford to have customers that don't pay otherwise you risk bankrupcy. That's not because as affiliates our income is always bigger than our bills that we have to run our business differently from a classic company.

Good luck in getting your payment and good luck to NA to solve their cash flow problem if any.

They've closed your account??? That,s a little bit lame from a company as big as NA

Holy Damage · 03-29-2018, 10:05 PM

So, in order we get paid, We need make a thread here and on Xbiz... and after that, We get our account closed? hmmm... I can afford that

Smart Fred · 03-30-2018, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Damage

So, in order we get paid, We need make a thread here and on Xbiz... and after that, We get our account closed? hmmm... I can afford that

Could you afford to promote them some more few months and then if they officially bankrupt get nothing ? I prefer to work for sites that will pay me even if they convert a little less.

cordoba · 03-30-2018, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smart Fred

Could you afford to promote them some more few months and then if they officially bankrupt get nothing ? I prefer to work for sites that will pay me even if they convert a little less.

Are you saying they closed your account, or you closed your account after getting paid?

A lot of us are on the rev share program.

I got paid $1,500 the other week, first payment for 6 months or so. So I'm still owed around $30,000. Even if I pulled every link I could expect to make at least that again in rebills over the next few years.

the indigo · 03-31-2018, 09:14 AM

The owner is broke.

I have confidential documents showing he's extremely late on tax payments.

I will probably get these documents out and start a sponsored ad just to notify everybody they are screwing over their affiliates soon.

ctggls · 03-31-2018, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the indigo

The owner is broke.

I have confidential documents showing he's extremely late on tax payments.

I will probably get these documents out and start a sponsored ad just to notify everybody they are screwing over their affiliates soon.

Then why not sell the business to someone who can run it well? I'm sure that is still a lot of potential in NA brand

AMDWarrior · 03-31-2018, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the indigo

The owner is broke.

I have confidential documents showing he's extremely late on tax payments.

I will probably get these documents out and start a sponsored ad just to notify everybody they are screwing over their affiliates soon.

Post em..

But no idea why people still deal with em..

digi · 04-05-2018, 07:30 AM

I too am owed money from them.

Sending emails every day but never getting any response.

BigFurry · 04-05-2018, 09:08 AM

They are pissing off their members too now

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/..._out_existing/

cordoba · 04-07-2018, 03:58 AM

Their Reddit guy is damned rude too. Seems they really don't give a toss how many people they are pissing off, whether hard working affiliates or paying subscribers.

cordoba · 04-07-2018, 06:22 AM

It would be great if a bonafide company like Pimproll, Badoink, or Reality Lovers bought them out and then paid the money owed to NR affiliates. Naughty America certainly has a lot of good VR content. The problem I guess is that VR is progressing rapidly, moving already to 5K for example, that that existing content might be close to worthless in a couple of years. And given the continued disapointing lack of growth in the VR market, I doubt very much any company has the money at the moment to buy them out AND pay off all their affiliate debt.

TheMaster · 04-07-2018, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry

They are pissing off their members too now

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/..._out_existing/

http://www.pornusers.com/replies_vie...=106677#106719

reading their angry customer reviews, it seems like they are giving new members access to 100 old scenes and if you want to see new videos, you need to pay extra for every channel eg My Dad's Hot Girlfriend, My Friend's Hot Girl, I Have a Wife, ...

they really seem to be pissing off consumers (also on NA forum), feels like a mistake as big as the one Digg made, will they end up the same way?

Adraco · 04-07-2018, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cordoba

It would be great if a bonafide company like Pimproll, Badoink, or Reality Lovers bought them out and then paid the money owed to NR affiliates. Naughty America certainly has a lot of good VR content. The problem I guess is that VR is progressing rapidly, moving already to 5K for example, that that existing content might be close to worthless in a couple of years. And given the continued disapointing lack of growth in the VR market, I doubt very much any company has the money at the moment to buy them out AND pay off all their affiliate debt.

Why would a new buyer "waste" money by paying off old/current affiliates what is owed? That's the responsibility of the old/current owner. They have made the sale and profited from it, they pay. Only way a new buyer would pay off the outstanding debt would be if it's included as part of the purchase price but why would the current owner accept that, since they are not paying as it already is.

Lose the dream and get real!

cordoba · 04-07-2018, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adraco

Why would a new buyer "waste" money by paying off old/current affiliates what is owed? That's the responsibility of the old/current owner. They have made the sale and profited from it, they pay. Only way a new buyer would pay off the outstanding debt would be if it's included as part of the purchase price but why would the current owner accept that, since they are not paying as it already is.

Lose the dream and get real!

I agree I'm dreaming, but maybe a new owner might want to restore the brand and keep the past affiliates happy (or bring them back)?

Also, obviously the law regarding debt and such doesn't apply to the adult biz and us poor subhuman affiliate webmasters, or everybody assumes it doesn't, but doesn't a new owner of a company with existing debts have to take responsibility of those debts?

LizardKing · 04-08-2018, 10:26 AM

missing 3 payments now...

edit:typo

TheMaster · 04-08-2018, 05:11 PM

....and first chargeback of a yearly sale, I expect chargebacks to increase because of their new pricing
in past NA had great rebills, guess that might come to an end too

Brian mike · 04-11-2018, 05:22 AM

Got an email from NATE TAKE DOWN notice even i try to get a hold of them Since a While

And of course we have an affiliate account

My name is Nate Glass, and I am a person authorized to act on behalf of
the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed.

Authorized DMCA Agent:
Nate Glass

==================

They ask me to contact [email protected] LOL. The same mike you guys talking about in this thread i guess.

Sent to mike this thread Link and asking him how he want to resolved this

I gonna start deleting their video anyhow i heard another debt they haved Close to 90K NR Owes to another Board member lol Not too much interest in continuing pushing them traffic.

TheMaster · 04-11-2018, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian mike

Got an email from NATE TAKE DOWN notice even i try to get a hold of them Since a While

And of course we have an affiliate account

My name is Nate Glass, and I am a person authorized to act on behalf of
the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed.

Authorized DMCA Agent:
Nate Glass

==================

They ask me to contact Mike LOL.

Sent to mike this thread Link and asking him how he want to resolved this

I gonna strt deleting their video anyhow i hear another Close to 90K NR Owes to another Board member lol

picture gallery or video, one or multiple?

Brian mike · 04-11-2018, 05:34 AM

I just took down 24 videos. FUCK THAT i have no time to waist with them.

Plenty of other sponsors who want to PAY .. They dont owes me shit but this thread speak Loud about the way they conduct their business

I wondering with the numbers $$ flying around this thread if NR would be under close to 1M in debt to affiliate......

Holy Damage · 04-16-2018, 04:54 PM

bump.
never forget

02-20-2018, 03:48 AM	#401
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	2 payments pending now __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

02-26-2018, 10:41 AM	#407
pamon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,080	Another week of waiting I'm sure ahead __________________ Email: [email protected] Skype: davidamodt. / TG: Davidamodt US Adult Content & Porn Writer Project/Sites/Tubes

02-26-2018, 12:14 PM	#408
alenci Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 227	I am also still waiting after 4 emails and replying to "Crystal" __________________

02-26-2018, 01:03 PM	#409
pamon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,080	Ok after another email got paid via PayPal. Told Mike to pay me and close the account and I knew they were not paying other affiliates yet posting new stuff daily. PayPal arrived and I'm done with NA. __________________ Email: [email protected] Skype: davidamodt. / TG: Davidamodt US Adult Content & Porn Writer Project/Sites/Tubes

03-09-2018, 09:49 PM	#416
Freedom6995 Friends of Venus founder Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,943	back to the top __________________ Email: freedom6995 . protonmail.com

02-23-2018, 05:35 AM	#404
EliteWebmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,974	Anyone on here that has full access to Naughty America members area? If you do, send me an email

02-26-2018, 04:00 AM	#405
BigFurry Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,544	Still no payment

03-01-2018, 04:13 PM	#412
BCPD Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 11	I feel like there should be some sort of list of known shady affiliate programs such as Naughty Revenue. Would have saved me a ton of hassle if I had spent the resources promoting different programs from the start.

03-02-2018, 02:06 AM	#413
BigFurry Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,544	They still owe me, and they still don't respond

03-02-2018, 03:32 AM	#414
Ramp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,464	I have pending payment too. Not getting a response via email either.

03-13-2018, 11:28 AM	#417
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	still no peep from Crystal __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

03-14-2018, 01:48 PM	#418
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,811	craziness __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

03-14-2018, 02:11 PM	#419
Holy Damage Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Between the legs Posts: 981	links pulled

03-15-2018, 08:05 AM	#420
ciriac Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 19	And what about Sensational Cash? Any contact? Same like NaughtyRevenue, no payout! __________________ www.MrPorn.com

03-20-2018, 02:13 PM	#421
Zombify Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: UK Posts: 13	3 pending payments now, sent many messages to Crystal, no replies.

03-20-2018, 02:52 PM	#422
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	no reply from Mike either __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

03-24-2018, 12:41 AM	#423
Smart Fred Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: France Posts: 308	Hi guys, I've been waiting to see what will happen with my payment request before writing anything new on this thread. So I first asked to Mike a payment on mid-february who relay it to Crystal. 3 weeks later as I had no news I told Mike I had to email Crystal an Joe. 2 more weeks later I could confirm what many of you have written: no payment, no email answer from NA accountancy. The way I advert porn, NA is one of the best converting site. Previously it was 30% of my income so I couldn't pulled out all the links. As I saw this kind of trouble coming, I've diversified my activities and now NA is only 15% of my income. They still owe me some $2,000. I could understand cash flow problems. I could understand Crystal may be swamped with work. But not having an answer to an email from neither Crystal, nor Joe, no sorry, no, I couldn't understand it. So whatever the reasons if in two weeks, April 7, I've not been paid, I will take actions and sanctions towards NA. Doing this alone won't trouble them, but if many affiliates do the same actions and sanctions at the same time that could hit the minds in the porn business. I really hope to come back in two weeks telling you I've been paid and there's still hope at promoting NA. __________________ Stop doing what you like and start doing what brings you money!

03-28-2018, 03:43 PM	#424
SexVR Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 9	Haven't received last 3 payouts! We have decided to pull their links till we get paid! Crystal doesn't reply to any mails. Joe doesn't reply. Mike just says he will chase it up with accounting. This is a fucking joke. Andrew

03-28-2018, 03:49 PM	#425
Zombify Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: UK Posts: 13	I'm going to speculate they have been heavily sued and are using affiliate funds to pay it off every month. I know there was a company who had VR patents going after adult VR companies. This seems the most likely reason for the downfall of their affiliate program.

03-28-2018, 07:11 PM	#426
MrBottomTooth Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,795	I emailed them again and asked for them to please go check to see if Crystal was physically ok as i feared she might have had a medical emergency months ago and could be sitting dead in her office chair. __________________ Get Paid Per Email Like The WEGCASH Days!!!!

03-29-2018, 07:44 AM	#428
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	bump for an Easter payment __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

03-29-2018, 08:02 AM	#429
ctggls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 898	Posted just to add myself to long list of not paid affiliates. Of course, no response to my emails

03-29-2018, 12:37 PM	#430
Smart Fred Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: France Posts: 308	I was waiting for an accounting email from 5 weeks. Not strangely, I received an email on monday after posting my message here and on XBiz saturday. I answered them my point of view about this situation. As a result payment received wednesday and account closed. I prefer it this way even if it's really unfortunate cause they have a great site. When you run a classic company, you can't afford to have customers that don't pay otherwise you risk bankrupcy. That's not because as affiliates our income is always bigger than our bills that we have to run our business differently from a classic company. Good luck in getting your payment and good luck to NA to solve their cash flow problem if any. __________________ Stop doing what you like and start doing what brings you money!

03-29-2018, 10:05 PM	#432
Holy Damage Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Between the legs Posts: 981	So, in order we get paid, We need make a thread here and on Xbiz... and after that, We get our account closed? hmmm... I can afford that

03-31-2018, 09:14 AM	#435
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	The owner is broke. I have confidential documents showing he's extremely late on tax payments. I will probably get these documents out and start a sponsored ad just to notify everybody they are screwing over their affiliates soon. __________________ "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. Thompson

04-05-2018, 07:30 AM	#438
digi Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 1,314	I too am owed money from them. Sending emails every day but never getting any response. __________________

04-05-2018, 09:08 AM	#439
BigFurry Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,544	They are pissing off their members too now https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/..._out_existing/

04-07-2018, 03:58 AM	#440
cordoba Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,091	Their Reddit guy is damned rude too. Seems they really don't give a toss how many people they are pissing off, whether hard working affiliates or paying subscribers.

04-07-2018, 06:22 AM	#441
cordoba Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,091	It would be great if a bonafide company like Pimproll, Badoink, or Reality Lovers bought them out and then paid the money owed to NR affiliates. Naughty America certainly has a lot of good VR content. The problem I guess is that VR is progressing rapidly, moving already to 5K for example, that that existing content might be close to worthless in a couple of years. And given the continued disapointing lack of growth in the VR market, I doubt very much any company has the money at the moment to buy them out AND pay off all their affiliate debt.

04-08-2018, 10:26 AM	#445
LizardKing Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 521	missing 3 payments now... edit:typo __________________ Get your site reviewed and listed at Porn Sites XXX

04-08-2018, 05:11 PM	#446
TheMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 2,732	....and first chargeback of a yearly sale, I expect chargebacks to increase because of their new pricing in past NA had great rebills, guess that might come to an end too __________________ Promote Chaturbate Free Cams

04-11-2018, 05:22 AM	#447
Brian mike STAND OUR GROUND Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 7,115	Got an email from NATE TAKE DOWN notice even i try to get a hold of them Since a While And of course we have an affiliate account My name is Nate Glass, and I am a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed. Authorized DMCA Agent: Nate Glass ================== They ask me to contact [email protected] LOL. The same mike you guys talking about in this thread i guess. Sent to mike this thread Link and asking him how he want to resolved this I gonna start deleting their video anyhow i heard another debt they haved Close to 90K NR Owes to another Board member lol Not too much interest in continuing pushing them traffic.

04-11-2018, 05:34 AM	#449
Brian mike STAND OUR GROUND Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 7,115	I just took down 24 videos. FUCK THAT i have no time to waist with them. Plenty of other sponsors who want to PAY .. They dont owes me shit but this thread speak Loud about the way they conduct their business I wondering with the numbers $$ flying around this thread if NR would be under close to 1M in debt to affiliate......

04-16-2018, 04:54 PM	#450
Holy Damage Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Between the legs Posts: 981	bump. never forget