midfinger

Ok so I have recruited models for a few affiliate programs yet they are not even broadcasting after signing up. Whats the deal with these girls/guys/whatevers? Its it laziness? Its a pretty easy job. Just confused. Am I doing it wrong or is it just a simple numbers game?

DBS.US

Most can't get past the sign up part.

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midfinger

I hear ya there...but I'm talking about the ones that do. Whats their problem man? Don't they know they actually have to broadcast to make money. Strange concept I know but they got that far.

AaronM

The answer to this question lies within the title of the thread itself.

Cam Models

Adult models, in general, are flakey. You need to keep in constant contact if you intend to get any work out of them.

Mr Pheer

You arent cracking the whip right. Easier to get them to do it when the rent is due.

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midfinger

So that leads back to my question about it being a numbers game. I've only been doing camz for a month. So I guess that means keep on keeping on and eventually I'll start seeing some roi.

midfinger

Idk who they are. Their affiliate signups. If I did then for sure I'd be pimp slappin em

AaronM

Apparently I didn't fully grasp that you signed them up as an affiliate.

Waste of time...Fuck the numbers game.

midfinger

Point taken. My sites which are whitelabels are doing as well as can be expected for something so new but they are getting traffic. Just thought signing up models would be a neat way of adding some additional revenue with the programs.

MikeAMS

It seems there are some really smart and hardworking performers out there. But you have to look really good... But hey.. I guess this is in most industries right?

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Adraco

Many girls will sign up, try it once or twice and then realize that no one will find her on page 15 with only three persons in her chat room out of one is her boyfriend. Then no one tips her and she will quit.

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adultmobile

What he said. As a cam site we get 1 model online every 100 who register, I think this is a standard ratio. If you do as affiliate, count this ratio.

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Barry-xlovecam

They chicken out.
Try being naked for strangers that want you to shove a baseball bat up your ass ...

Most independent cam models never start broadcasting or decide to quit after the first week.

xNetworx

Seems the earning potential for models decreases every year. Its not getting easier for the average cam model on big box sites. When "average" models used to get back to back private chats they were much more motivated to stay online. Now that its practically dead for all but the top tier models, they have little motivation to stay online for hours at a time. You need to sign up 100s of leads to find just 1 hard worker that consistently makes bank month after month.

iSpyCams

Yep, if you want 1, hire 100. Then hire 100 more for when she gets bored.

The thing is most models can cam without your help, so you have to offer something nobody else does, like hourly pay or a solid traffic source.

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adultmobile

Since a few years (let's say, since mfc+chaturbate etc. became popular), every year it gets more difficult for new cam girls to make enough money to make it worth keep online. Not only the new models, but also the old models who quit for too long, and then return back.
As a live example, I have in my skype now the following from a model who was doing decently before (just used 2 sites, chaturbate + tubecamgirl), but gone one year due to a bf, then returned now:

date: week ago
model: I am back, can you reactivate my accounts
me: ok, you can login

date: today
model: damn! all whole day on chaturbate+tubecamgirl+imlive I make only 50 cents per day... lots of people watch but no one pays... will try to signup more sites

Now, this model knows how to work, and had ok sales the past years, but, by going offline for a year, lost 99% of the regular guys, and returned like a new model. This means, not only low in ranking, as she says she got lots of viewers, but the fact no one tips (or gets those 1 token tips lol).. which you can translate into: no one regular lover.

Getting 1 token from 1000 people is 1000 token, but this is not happening, really you get 1000 people who pay nothing, and 1 only guy who sends 1000 tokens alone, if you don't get this 1 guy, the other 1000 guys are useless, as well as staying online in 1 or more cam sites.

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NeedSex

Seems, those models, who signed up, are not that fascinated to be a cam model and make money..motivate them in some way..or just signup at least a dozen more new models)

ManPuppy

I do couple shows, have a large following, and advertise for partners constantly. One in five replies to my ad is camera ready (that's the kind way of putting it). That's IF they bother to include pics, which obviously I request in the ads, instead of some highly professional reply like "HOW MUCH MONEY" and nothing at all else, which I ignore.

Of the replies I can see working with from their pics and the completeness and tone of their reply, half don't respond when I text and e-mail back. Three fourths of what's left from that thought they'd make more than what I said in the ad (I pay a flat rate of $25 an hour), chicken out, or think they can "parTy" or get drunk on the show.

Of the ones who actually make it on and perform well, one in four will come back for more appearances. Some just suck at it. Others turn into deers-in-the-headlights when it sinks in there are 2,000 people watching them suck my dick, or find my show structure less fun or more gruelling than they imagined (which I won't alter - I did mention I'm able to comfortably pay a co-star $25 an hour; I know what I'm doing), or simply don't like me, which is fine.

And then, among the ones who do repeat shows with me, the lifespan is almost never long term. Most get bored with the repetition. My format works, and any time I try to alter it, revenue goes down.

And this is for couple shows, with an experienced performer. Solo shows, especially for newbies, are almost never as profitable, and are ten times more tedious because there's no human interaction or personal guide to what works. That's IF the solo performer gets up the balls, alone in his or her house, to turn the camera on and log in.

All things considered, I think it's amazing there are so many performers online as it is. A month's worth of sign-ups? You've barely scratched the surface of what you need.

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Robin

There are more levels of churn.
- Many models are not finishing the registration process. Even if we are in 2015 and technology is booming there are a lot of issues with uploading a proper ID copy.
- Many models finish the registration but never go online.
- Some might go online for a few minutes, expecting to get flooded with traffic and make loads of money in no time. Most of the times is not happening, so they quit way to early.
- Depending of the country they are in, the internet connection also plays an important role in either they will be able to go online or not.

On the bright side, there are a lot of new cam models signing up everyday or returning, models who are committed and become great and talented hosts.

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adultmobile

Yes the performers online are too many. Too much supply compared with the demand. Why so many are online despite most of these are not making money? A number of reasons, including:

1a) 70% of cam models are from Romania, Ukraine, Moldova, Russia, Colombia, Philippines salaries (unqualified, no capital cities) are $200-$500 a month, so sitting on a cam to make even just $200 a month ($50 a week) is not worst than a real job, given the boss may harass no less than the cam customers anyway.

1b) Even if someone would be ok with a $400 salary in the above countries, there's big unemployment there too, and boyfriends also may be unemployed, so sitting on a cam is better than unemployment, and anyway can pay low rents and bills in these countries.

2) In the above countries (unlike USA,CA,UK) there are lots of studios, these studios contribute for more than 50% of the performers online. Studios are registering new models every week, these try then gone mostly, still since they register new ones every day, that balances those who quit, keeping a big number of "short term" models online.

3) The off-site market: the most smart and sneaky models engage in fake "I love you" dramas, where they get western unions and paypals from guys they steal out of the site system... so the girls do not care really to make any $$ from tips or private, but just to fish for direct contacts of guys some of which may fall in love and sell the own home to give lots of cash to the girl (who may secretly share with hidden local boyfriend).

In other words, if east europe, south east asia and south america did not went online, and no studios existed, and we only got western cam performers from home online, we would have just a few dozens of models online at any moment, rather than dozens of thousands of them.

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ITraffic

well i also see a lot of cam girls bypassing the traditional cam sites all together using social media / twitter and doing skype shows and so on.

or building a following on the cam sites then taking their marks off them to skype and snapchat ...

xNetworx

I think we can all agree that overall, cam girls are earning less than ever which is fucked as I don't see how this can improve. Saturation among models plus customers being conditioned to spend less and get more is not helping at all. As far as the big sites, I wonder if their revenue is increasing or decreasing year over year, say for the last 3 years. Seems around 2013 is when the average earnings for a typical model peaked.

adultmobile

No any cam site will tell if their earnings is dropping, but I run a cam site and I talk few others and let me guess, the earnings are not growing. Still, compared with other kinds of adult sites, keeping at least stable it is relatively good. How can cam sites keep stable sales if the earning of average cam model dropped? We have 2-3 times more models online, all the cam sites triplicated the online hosts as minimum in past 2 years...

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vending_machine

Being a cam model is "easy"?

Oh - just put them in front of a webcam and have them play with their shit and they'll just rake in money hand over fist, right?

Spend your time attracting customers, don't waste your time referring cam models. Cam model earnings tend to be limited in scope anyway.

VSKevin

This rings true for the most part. We do have a tendency to have new models show up on front page whether it be mixed in the others or having a separate section for specifically new girls/guys.

What I think matters most to the models is that they want to see quick activity, whether it be tips or shows. The problem is, they think that just their rockin' body is good enough to draw in credits/tokens. They just sit there and wait for it to happen.

They need to be personable, and let's face it, they aren't going to be unless they actually want to cam.

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midfinger

WOW...solid advice all around. I suppose I'll keep signing them up cuz why not and its not so hard but focus mainly on the sites.

NatalieK

Most of what people are stating above is incorrect. Well, maybe some models are lazy & confused, scared of going through with it... But most, probably similar to me, sign up with intention to use the site, alas, busy with other cam sites & self promoting,, which takes a lot of the day up, instagram, twitter, pornhub, xhamsters, our own sites.

So your sign ups may use your sites one day, and if it works well, then use that cam site daily to make money

Looking at the other side, not cams, but paysites. I've many webmasters doing the same.... signing up to our program gspotcash, then doing nothing, not even a reply email when we offer new content & ideas, and still a simple text link on their site could make them a sale at least once a week if not daily

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