News Turkey 'down Russian warplane on Syria border'

[EddyTheDog]

Turkey 'down Russian warplane on Syria border' - BBC News

I just woke to this - How come we aren't talking about it yet?..

It's a really bad thing right?.....

[Markul]

[Paul&John]

Video https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warpl...-syria-turkey/

[JFK]

watch the fur fly

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

It's a really bad thing right?.....

It's bad but it would be worse if it had been:

(1) A US plane taking down a Russian Plane, or;
(2) A Russian Plane taking down a US plane.

Either of the above options would be quite bad and one would have to consider relocating to a air raid shelter promptly, with tins of Heinz baked beans and long duration Spam. Just shows how easily this whole thing can escalate badly:

Turkey 'downs Russian warplane on Syria border' - BBC News

Looks like the Russian plane was repeatedly warned.

[EddyTheDog]

It gets better:

Reports Russian pilot of downed jet being held hostage

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Turkey 'down Russian warplane on Syria border' - BBC News

I just woke to this - How come we aren't talking about it yet?..

It's a really bad thing right?.....

...because it JUST hit the news around that time, that may be what woke you up.


http://http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24...der/index.html

[Sarn]

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by Sarn

And that is who Turkey is backing..

[k0nr4d]

BREAKING NEWS: Turkey in Hot Water just in Time for Thanksgiving

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Shit - Anyone know what is actually going on in that?..

BBC just said one at least was dead....

[Yanks_Todd]

Obviously a lot of info is unknown. However my early thoughts are that Putin keeps pushing and pushing with very little regard for borders or others. He was bound to eventually get punched in the mouth. Oh well.

[Sarn]

I received a call from the millitary recruiting office.
possibly it is mobilization over all country

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Obviously a lot of info is unknown. However my early thoughts are that Putin keeps pushing and pushing with very little regard for borders or others. He was bound to eventually get punched in the mouth. Oh well.

Maybe but Turkey isn't trustworthy. It's playing both sides. Turkey backs the rebels (Turkmen) in Western Syria and has told Russia repeatedly to leave them alone. But Russia is still hitting them because they're anti-Assad. Who found the pilot? Turkmen rebels. Sure looks to me like the pilot landed in Syria.. but it was clearly flying in the border region.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Maybe but Turkey isn't trustworthy. It's playing both sides. Turkey backs the rebels (Turkmen) in Western Syria and has told Russia repeatedly to leave them alone. But Russia is still hitting them because they're anti-Assad. Who found the pilot? Turkmen rebels. Sure looks to me like the pilot landed in Syria.. but it was clearly flying in the border region.

I am not judging who is right or wrong, lying or not. Simply saying that if you keep pushing you open yourself up to this. Boy who cried wolf really. Might be Russia's fault, might not be. Either way Turkey will have public opinion on their side unless it becomes crystal clear they are wrong and that is a risk Russia constantly takes.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

BREAKING NEWS: Turkey in Hot Water just in Time for Thanksgiving

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

And that is who Turkey is backing..

Turkey is basking ISIS. This is not a news for everybody. I predict very serious consequences for Turkey. If they lose Russian tourists, their economics will lose a shitload of money. The Egypt has already faced it:

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I am not judging who is right or wrong, lying or not. Simply saying that if you keep pushing you open yourself up to this. Boy who cried wolf really. Might be Russia's fault, might not be. Either way Turkey will have public opinion on their side unless it becomes crystal clear they are wrong and that is a risk Russia constantly takes.

I'm not sure Turkey will have opinion on their side - Even if the jet strayed into Turkey they knew it was a Russian jet, it seems totally OTT to shoot it down...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

I received a call from the millitary recruiting office.
possibly it is mobilization over all country

A military action against Turkey is very possible. Since Turkey is a NATO county, the USA and their allies will be involved too (I'd say they must be involved according to the NATO agreement). In this case I would recommend everybody here to visit their parents/close relatives while it's not too late...

Just FYI guys: according to the new Russian military doctrine, the army is allowed to use nuclear weapon against other countries in preventive cases, even if Russia was not been direly attacked. E.g. the US base in Poland can be potentially used against of Russia in case of conflict with other NATO country like Turkey.

[Paul Markham]

This is going to end in tears.

[EddyTheDog]

The weird thing is that Russia are saying it wasn't Turkey at all and it was rebels - Why would Turkey claim responsibility if they didn't do it - It makes no sense, they know the shit will hit the fan...

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The weird thing is that Russia are saying it wasn't Turkey at all and it was rebels - Why would Turkey claim responsibility if they didn't do it - It makes no sense, they know the shit will hit the fan...

This is Turkey. Foreign Minister Lavrov flew to Turkey.
this is a war and combat losses is inevitable

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The weird thing is that Russia are saying it wasn't Turkey at all and it was rebels

It is not. Thy just initially thought it was shot down from the ground. According to the officials they are still waiting for the details from the military intelligence. If Turkish information will be confirmed, there will be consequences.

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[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It is not. Thy just thought it was shot down from the ground. According to the officials they are still waiting fro the details from the military intelligence. If Turkish information will be confirmed, there will be consequences...

Somebody should tell the BBC...

[Phoenix]

https://twitter.com/sametdgn1

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Rebels are saying that he was like that when they found him...

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Rebels are saying that he was like that when they found him...

Hear what he said at the end? About killing mujahideen?

How the fuck can we back any rebel group claiming jihad? Madness. The rebels are no different than ISIS. Kurds are the only ones we can trust.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

This is Turkey. Foreign Minister Lavrov flew to Turkey.

His visit to Turkey was canceled.

[EddyTheDog]

They shot them down for that?!.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

They shot them down for that?!.

According to that picture the Russian bomber (a red line) was shot down by Turkish jet fighter (a yellow line). Also it shows that Russian bomber has crossed the border of Turkey (a blue line). We can just trust or not trust to this picture.

Actually it doesn't matter if the border has crossed (unwittingly?) the Turkish border or not. The bomber has not attacking the Turkish territory. It was bombing Turkmen rebels in Syria. Turks don't like that and they decided to start shooting down Russian planes (set a no flight zone in that part of Syria). Course Russia won't just swallow it. This gonna end very bad.

[MaDalton]

war mongering on GFY - nothing surprises me anymore

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

They shot them down for that?!.

there is some sort of confusion.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Надеюсь Ваван не скажет как с Курском "Он упал". Формально создан прецидент, теперь можно сбивать любой самолет, нарушивший сирийское воздушное пространство

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by ziggiziggicrew

Надеюсь Ваван не скажет как с Курском "Он упал". Формально создан прецидент, теперь можно сбивать любой самолет, нарушивший сирийское воздушное пространство

Выступает прямо сейчас (смотрю его базар с Абдалой ii на "Дожде").

P.S. Putin said (just a few seconds ago) it was backstroked by supporters of terrorism and it has fell in 4 kilometers away from Turkey. It was hit by a missile on 6 km attitude in 1 kilometer away from the Turkish border. It has definitely not been a threat for Turkey. So the things are getting worse and worse.

P.P.S. He said is clear "Turkey did it". He also said "we didn't want it and we will not tolerate it".

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

Надеюсь Ваван не скажет как с Курском "Он упал". Формально создан прецидент, теперь можно сбивать любой самолет, нарушивший сирийское воздушное пространство

emotions are a bad adviser. first you need to blow off steam.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Originally Posted by Sarn

emotions are a bad adviser. first you need to blow off steam.

It is casus belli, Turkey = Isis now
Кстати, самолет сбили когда стали нефтяные вышки и караваны с бензом бомбить

[j3rkules]

Fucking muslims...

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Turkey support terrorist, Putin's say
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[Sarn]

Originally Posted by ziggiziggicrew

it is casus belli, turkey = isis now
Кстати, самолет сбили когда стали нефтяные вышки и караваны с бензом бомбить

нужно было сопровождать бомберы истребителями, догонять и сбивать атакующий турецкий самолет. а не сидеть потом в дурацком положении. за ошибки нужно платить

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by jerkules

Fucking muslims...

This is not about religion. This is about money as usually. Turks are buying oil from ISIS in Syria. When Russian aviation started bombing the oil tracks, Turks shot down our bomber. This proves a direct economical connection between ISIS and Turkey.

Originally Posted by Sarn

нужно было сопровождать бомберы истребителями, догонять и сбивать атакующий турецкий самолет. а не сидеть потом в дурацком положении. за ошибки нужно платить

Надо было. Вова же сказал, что "считал Турцию другом и никто не ждал удара в спину". Теперь ясен пень будут сопровождать и работать по турецкой авиации. Турки закроют Босфор и понесется. Они ведь уже обосрались и связались со Штатами по поводу военной поддержки в случае конфликта с Россией.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Turkey = NATO = USA
USA support ISIS? What's wrong in my logic?

[fish1]

Reports are that both Pilots are dead.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Originally Posted by sarn

нужно было сопровождать бомберы истребителями, догонять и сбивать атакующий турецкий самолет. а не сидеть потом в дурацком положении. за ошибки нужно платить

Не соглашусь, наверняка были договоренности с амерами, поэтому бомбер и летел без прикрытия. Газета.ру пишет что Путин в интерью сказал что с амерами была договоренность. Кароч, наебали в очередной раз, как с расширением НАТО и базами в Германии
Стратеги, кстати, летели с прикрытием через Европу. У бриттов хватило ума не задействовать ПВО

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Rebels are saying that he was like that when they found him...

Wrong again. They said they were shooting at them and one was killed. He has landed dead. Don't forget it happened on the Syrian territory which is controlled by terrorist groups supported by Turkey and USA (NATO) - in fact, the same guys who did the Paris massacre.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

This is not about religion. This is about money as usually. Turks are buying oil from ISIS in Syria. When Russian aviation started bombing the oil tracks, Turks shot down our bomber. This proves a direct economical connection between ISIS and Turkey.

Europe sends money in Turkey(erdogan) to stop the flow of refugees(business blackmail).
erdogan work and help isis(oil weapon bissiness) - isis terror ru,eu + neighbors.
erdogan on plans to become oil and gas hub for Europe.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The Russian Defense Ministry confirmed that one of its jets, a Sukhoi SU-24, had crashed in Syria but said it had been downed “presumably as a result of shelling from the ground.”

The Russian Defense Ministry also asserted that, “The plane stayed exclusively above the territory of Syria throughout the entire flight,” and said that the two pilots had ejected.

Last week, Turkey summoned the Russian ambassador, Andrey G. Karlov, to discuss Ankara’s concerns over the bombing of Turkmen villages in northern Syria and called for an immediate end to the Russian military operation close to the Turkish border, according to a Turkish Foreign Ministry statement.

“It was stressed that the Russian side’s actions were not a fight against terror, but they bombed civilian Turkmen villages and this could lead to serious consequences,” the statement said.

Ankara has long called for the protection of Turkmens, who are of Turkish descent, in Syria

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/wo...ary-plane.html

The Kremlin ought to get their stories straight ...

Putin said the Russian SU-24 jet was shot by a missile from a Turkish jet over Syria about 1 kilometer (just over a half-mile) away from the Turkish border, which he described as a "stab in the back by the terrorists' accomplices."

Putin warned that the incident would have "significant consequences" for its relations with Turkey and criticized Ankara for turning to NATO to discuss the incident instead of first explaining to Russia what happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015...he-latest.html

You should have stayed away and thrown Assad under the bus.

Question is: was this a rogue pilot that violated Turkish airspace during hostile actions or was the pilot acting under ''direct orders''?

The Islamic Terrorist State (ISIS) forces were not at the Turkish border -- the pilots came down over anti-Syrian Government rebel positions and were shot dead by these rebels -- they had been dropping bombs on these rebels -- so what do you expect?

This isn't a Nintendo game

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Надо было. Вова же сказал, что "считал Турцию другом и никто не ждал удара в спину". Теперь ясен пень будут сопровождать и работать по турецкой авиации. Турки закроют Босфор и понесется. Они ведь уже обосрались и связались со Штатами по поводу военной поддержки в случае конфликта с Россией.

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

Не соглашусь, наверняка были договоренности с амерами, поэтому бомбер и летел без прикрытия. Газета.ру пишет что Путин в интерью сказал что с амерами была договоренность. Кароч, наебали в очередной раз, как с расширением НАТО и базами в Германии
Стратеги, кстати, летели с прикрытием через Европу. У бриттов хватило ума не задействовать ПВО

Не ждал блять в какую спину, что вы несете? очередное распиздяйство военных

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

USA must control own sattelites as Turkey

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by sarn

Не ждал блять в какую спину, что вы несете? очередное распиздяйство военных

Это не "мы". Это дословная цитата из Вовиного выступления.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

And that is who Turkey is backing..

No, those are the '' moderate '' rebels, the '' non-islamic'' forces that thew US is backing, financing and arming ...

Heck of a job