Bill Nye on abortion

[2MuchMark]

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[dyna mo]

he's just another celebrity that needs to shut the fuck up about politics.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he's just another celebrity that needs to shut the fuck up about politics.

Even if he believes that what's happening to women is wrong?

[J. Falcon]

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

Even if he believes that what's happening to women is wrong?

what do you mean?

my point is 1) he's destroying the validity of science and 2) he's doing that by not even being scientific- he's completely clueless to his surroundings, a scientist is supposed to be keenly aware of his surroundings, at least that environment/surrounding which he's trying to be scientific about. but as he shows in that clip, he gets that wrong, like he always does.

most folk's view on abortion has little to do with their understanding of the science about it and everything to do with their personal belief structure. he completely misses that. bill nye the science guy acting frustrated about his perception that people lack knowledge while trying to goad and chide them because he thinks they aren't smart about conception and if only they would listen to him smacks of disconnected elitism and that's a big problem for science.

his personal political views have nothing to do with science. and his condescending attitude towards those he thinks are ignorant make that much much worse. i'd have less probs with the guy if his name was "bill nye the bowtie guy".

[CaptainHowdy]

Whatever ...

[TheLegacy]

The idea that we give so much credibility to one man is amazing. But since he represents many peoples opinion on various topics we love to stand up and say, "look he's agreeing with me so it must be true" - isn't the best way to move forward.

1998 he was on PBS Kids doing science stuff and teaching kids - now he's looked at as the source of all for adults.

[MiamiBoyz]

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what do you mean?

I mean, he is someone with an opinion, just like you and me. Why should he not be allowed to express it?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

my point is 1) he's destroying the validity of science

How is he doing that?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

and 2) he's doing that by not even being scientific-

Ok, but that wasn't really the point of what he said.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he's completely clueless to his surroundings,

What surroundings? He's a guy sitting on an empty stage voicing his opinion.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

a scientist is supposed to be keenly aware of his surroundings,

Bill Nye is not a scientist.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

at least that environment/surrounding which he's trying to be scientific about. but as he shows in that clip, he gets that wrong,

What is he wrong about? His opinion says there are more important things to worry about. His opinion is that government shouldn't tell a woman what she can do with her body. His opinion is that a newly ferteilized egg isn't a legal human being. Debatable, of course. Wrong? Maybe, maybe not.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

like he always does.

What has he been wrong on in the past? (I'm not saying he's never wrong, but I can't think of anything off the top of my head).

Originally Posted by dyna mo

most folk's view on abortion has little to do with their understanding of the science about it and everything to do with their personal belief structure.

Maybe yes, maybe no.

Take me for example: I personally think that it is better for a woman to have an abortion if she wants one. Then again, legally, when does a person become a person? When he is born? Or at 8 months? or 6 months? or 3 months? No insult meant to anyone, but it is a really interesting question. When are you, you? If you end a baby's life when they are born, is it murder? Yes. Is it still murder at 8 months? at 6 months? 3 months? 3 weeks?

You could argue that a person becomes a person when their brains begin to form. To me that would make sense, but then there is the word "potential". If a person is not a person at say 2 weeks, are they not a "potential" person? And if they are a potential person, does that mean an abortion is murder of a potential person?

I really think that perhaps this question is one of those questions that is impossible to answer.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he completely misses that. bill nye the science guy acting frustrated about his perception that people lack knowledge while trying to goad and chide them because he thinks they aren't smart about conception and if only they would listen to him smacks of disconnected elitism and that's a big problem for science.

Well, yes and No. I think elitism is the wrong word here. If someone is trying to teach you something and you don't understand him or her, calling him an elitist and shrugging your shoulders is giving up. Instead, if there is something you are being taught that you don't understand, maybe the answer is to ask for clarification, or explanation, or a more detailed lesson.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

his personal political views have nothing to do with science.

In this case you might be right. But if you hear him talk on Climate Change, he seems to be pretty knowledgable.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

and his condescending attitude towards those he thinks are ignorant make that much much worse.

It's weird that you say that - I've never once seen any condescending attitude from him.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'd have less probs with the guy if his name was "bill nye the bowtie guy".

For a while I was wishing that he wold stop wearing the bowtie because I thought it made him look too much like a nerd, and alot less like an authority on a subject he was talking about.

But now, I love his look. He totally owns his look, and makes bowties and science cool.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

The idea that we give so much credibility to one man is amazing. But since he represents many peoples opinion on various topics we love to stand up and say, "look he's agreeing with me so it must be true" - isn't the best way to move forward.

1998 he was on PBS Kids doing science stuff and teaching kids - now he's looked at as the source of all for adults.

this is my view as well.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

1998 he was on PBS Kids doing science stuff and teaching kids - now he's looked at as the source of all for adults.

Funny and sad. I think we need a hell of alot more science-guys. And science girls.