Poland considering asking for access to nuclear weapons under Nato program

[Paul&John]

Poland?s deputy defence minister has said the ministry is considering asking for access to nuclear weapons through a Nato program in which non-nuclear states borrow the arms from the US.

Among Nato?s 28 members there are three nuclear powers ? the US, France and Britain ? but only the US has provided weapons to allies for nuclear sharing.

Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey have hosted nuclear weapons as part of the program.

Poland considering asking for access to nuclear weapons under Nato program | World news | The Guardian

[j3rkules]

Is this some kind of joke?

[EddyTheDog]

They should wait until Amazon start doing them - Free delivery...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by jerkules

Is this some kind of joke?

Nope, that's true. The response will be inevitable and we have a serious chance to repeat the so-called Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. I don't understand what those people are thinking about. They must be completely insane...

[Phoenix]

go back to your vodka poland...there are enough nukes to blow the works up already

[Sarn]

Why Poland looking radioactive adventures on his ass?

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by jerkules

Is this some kind of joke?

You do realize that there are likely nuclear weapons 300km away from Warsaw, right? Polish and Russian governments do not exactly get along. With what comes down to an occupation of Ukraine right next to us, it seems reasonable to me... The new gov't is putting huge money into defense. No one plans to fire anything, but it IS a deterrent. A nuclear-armed Poland isn't going to attack anyone but immediately becomes a much less interesting place to attack. The Russian response to Poland having nukes is obvious - but they don't intend to fire theirs either...

Personally, I think Putin will end up being the savior of Europe against ISIS - but all the same I don't want to speak Russian anymore then I want to speak Arabic...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

They should wait until Amazon start doing them - Free delivery...

Amazon actually just started offering free shipping in poland on orders over 49 euros

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

A nuclear-armed Poland isn't going to attack anyone but immediately becomes a much less interesting place to attack.

It's not about arming Poland with nukes. It's about to use your country as a launch pad for the US ones (like Soviets did it to Cuba in 1962). That's a huge difference. You won't get control over those nukes, but you will become a 1st target in case of preemptive strike. That's why other sane NATO countries don't want to allow the States to use them in this manner.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Amazon actually just started offering free shipping in poland on orders over 49 euros

They could just have it sent straight to the Kremlin - They will even gift wrap it...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It's not about arming Poland with nukes. It's about to use your country as a launch pad for the US ones. That's a huge difference. You don't get control over those nukes, but you will become a 1st target in case of preemptive strike. That's why other sane NATO countries don't want to allow the States to use them in this manner.

It comes down to the whole mutually assured destruction thing - even moreso if it's US troops stationed in Poland to watch these things. In the case of a nuclear war, we'd be gone anyways. Crimea got annexed (arguably, probably should have stayed Russian to begin with), and who knows what happening in eastern Ukraine. If your neighbors house gets broken into, you suddenly start worrying about the security of your own house...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland...ssia_relations The relationship between Poland and Russia has historically been shitty to say the least - this won't help it I'm sure, but what can you do... I have no control over if we get nukes or not. Like most countries, there's only 2 political parties that count, and many smaller ones. In our case, we get to choose between thieves (previous gov't) and crazies (current gov't). Old gov't would have put 500k islamic migrants in Poland, New one will start a war with Russia because of a conspiracy theory about a plane crash... Poland can't catch a break

[notjoe]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You do realize that there are likely nuclear weapons 300km away from Warsaw, right? Polish and Russian governments do not exactly get along. With what comes down to an occupation of Ukraine right next to us, it seems reasonable to me... The new gov't is putting huge money into defense. No one plans to fire anything, but it IS a deterrent. A nuclear-armed Poland isn't going to attack anyone but immediately becomes a much less interesting place to attack. The Russian response to Poland having nukes is obvious - but they don't intend to fire theirs either...

Personally, I think Putin will end up being the savior of Europe against ISIS - but all the same I don't want to speak Russian anymore then I want to speak Arabic...

Well said.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

It comes down to the whole mutually assured destruction thing - even moreso if it's US troops stationed in Poland to watch these things. In the case of a nuclear war, we'd be gone anyways. Crimea got annexed (arguably, probably should have stayed Russian to begin with), and who knows what happening in eastern Ukraine. If your neighbors house gets broken into, you suddenly start worrying about the security of your own house...

Russia is not interested in Poland at all. We have enough of land here which is just underpopulated. The annexation of Crimea was inevitable, because it was a Russian land and it's a strategic territory (we always had our fleet and army there). As about Poland, so it has never been Russian and nobody here wants to conquer you (no reasons for that). The only parts that were annexed from your country by Stalin were joined to the Ukraine, and they are still there. Personally I've never heard about intentions of the Ukrainians to return them back. So you should be more afraid of them rather than us

P.S. All those talks about Russian threat are used by your politicians for internal needs only. As a Russian, I can assure you that your country is not mentioned even in news here just like Albania or Mongolia. To be correct, it wasn't mentioned before today...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Russia is not interested in Poland at all. We have enough of land here which is just underpopulated. The annexation of Crimea was inevitable, because it was a Russian land and it's a strategic territory. As about Poland, so it has never been Russian and nobody here wants to conquer you (no reasons for that). The only parts that were annexed from your country by Stalin were joined to the Ukraine, and they are still there. Personally I've never heard about intentions of the Ukrainians to return them So you should be more afraid of them rather than us

P.S. All those talks about Russian threat are used by your politicians for internal needs only. As a Russian, I can assure you that your country is not mentioned even in news here just like Albania or Mongolia. To be correct, it wasn't mentioned before today...

While Poland was never "Russian Land" per-say, it was definitely under "Soviet Influence" during communist times. As for Ukraine, I think it was other way around with Stalin anexing part of Poland, and Poland anexing part of Germany.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

While Poland was never "Russian Land" per-say, it was definitely under "Soviet Influence" during communist times.

There is no Soviet Union anymore. Haven't you noticed that? The countries like Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Belorussia etc were parts of the USSR. Why do you think they are not asking for help from NATO and not turning their land into the US nuclear launch pads? I'll tell you why. They are not idiots and they perfectly know that Russia will never invade them (why should we do so?) But if they join NATO or (in worst case) allow the States to store nukes on their land, they will be automatically turned into the first targets for Russia.

When Kennedy was mad because of Soviet missiles on Cuba right near his borders, he was ready to nuke the whole island and start WWIII. That was a reasonable reaction, right? So why do you think that Putin is more peaceful and humanized person than JFK? Which exactly fact gives you a reason to think that way?

[spads]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

There is no Soviet Union anymore. Haven't you noticed that? The countries like Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Belorussia etc were parts of the USSR. Why do you think they are not asking for help from NATO and not turning their land into the US nuclear launch pads? I'll tell you why. They are not idiots and they perfectly know that Russia will never invade them (why should we do so?) But if they join NATO or (in worst case) allow the States to store nukes on their land, they will be automatically turned into the first targets for Russia.

When Kennedy was mad because of Soviet missiles on Cuba right near his borders, he was ready to nuke the whole island and start WWIII. That was a reasonable reaction, right? So why do you think that Putin is more peaceful and humanized person than JFK? Which exactly fact gives you a reason to think that way?

The Soviet Union doesn't officially exist anymore, but Russia is still run by those bunch of retards. Putin has his eye on all of the old territories. They already grabbed part of Ukraine and Georgia (the latter they're still grabbing more land every day). That's why Poland and Lithuania are beefing up their defense. They were under the Russian sphere of influence for a long time and all it did was fuck their economies. Now they're with NATO and the living standards have continued to raise. Also the Borat countries like Kazakhstan, Belarus, Uzbekistan, etc. Are all ruled by Russian backed puppets so of course they don't need to invade them.

[xXXtesy10]

how do you borrow nuke? use and give back later? wtf?

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

There is no Soviet Union anymore. Haven't you noticed that? The countries like Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Belorussia etc were parts of the USSR. Why do you think they are not asking for help from NATO and not turning their land into the US nuclear launch pads? I'll tell you why. They are not idiots and they perfectly know that Russia will never invade them (why should we do so?) But if they join NATO or (in worst case) allow the States to store nukes on their land, they will be automatically turned into the first targets for Russia.

When Kennedy was mad because of Soviet missiles on Cuba right near his borders, he was ready to nuke the whole island and start WWIII. That was a reasonable reaction, right? So why do you think that Putin is more peaceful and humanized person than JFK? Which exactly fact gives you a reason to think that way?

and what happen jfk?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by spads

The Soviet Union doesn't officially exist anymore, but Russia is still run by those bunch of retards. Putin has his eye on all of the old territories. They already grabbed part of Ukraine and Georgia (the latter they're still grabbing more land every day). That's why Poland and Lithuania are beefing up their defense. They were under the Russian sphere of influence for a long time and all it did was fuck their economies. Now they're with NATO and the living standards have continued to raise. Also the Borat countries like Kazakhstan, Belarus, Uzbekistan, etc. Are all ruled by Russian backed puppets so of course they don't need to invade them.

How old are you? Your post is so silly and childish, so I have no comments for it. Ignorance is bliss.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

There is no Soviet Union anymore. Haven't you noticed that? The countries like Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Belorussia etc were parts of the USSR. Why do you think they are not asking for help from NATO and not turning their land into the US nuclear launch pads? I'll tell you why. They are not idiots and they perfectly know that Russia will never invade them (why should we do so?) But if they join NATO or (in worst case) allow the States to store nukes on their land, they will be automatically turned into the first targets for Russia.

LOL how do you think those countries became part of the USSR? Do you think they applied for membership?

Both czarist Russia and communist Soviet Union were imperialists. Poland and other Central/Eastern European countries should just take your word 'that Russia will never invade them'?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Mutt

LOL how do you think those countries became part of the USSR? Do you think they applied for membership?

Yes of course. Read the history. For example, Belorussia was a part of Russia for all the time (it has never been independent). Armenia and Georgia has asked Russian czar be accepted by Russia because they were suffering of Turks. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide - Russians have simple saved their people.

Originally Posted by Mutt

Both czarist Russia and communist Soviet Union were imperialists. Poland and other Central/Eastern European countries should just take your word 'that Russia will never invade them'?

Poles were imperialists as well and they had actually invaded Moscow. And why should they take my words? They have to start using a simple logic. Why would Russia invade them if they are not a threat? Course if they turn Poland into a stockpile for the US nukes, no one will guaranty their security. If you don't want a bull to attack you, you will not dance with a red rag in front of his eyes (if you are not an idiot of course). Once again, read something about Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. Especially take your attention to JFK's reaction. After that ask yourself a simple question: is there a single reason for Putin to act somehow different?

[spads]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

How old are you? Your post is so silly and childish, so I have no comments for it. Ignorance is bliss.

No arguments I guess because there's nothing to argue. Do you think its just a coincidence that every country aligned with Russia is a complete shithole?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by spads

No arguments I guess because there's nothing to argue.

All arguments goes to posts of adult people (note above). I do not argue with little kids, sorry. Speak to your mom please instead.

[Mutt]

This sure doesn't sound like Belarus was always part of Russia, it's been yanked back and forth between Poland and Russia. It had its own culture and language and the Russians forced them to be become 'Russian'.

This is the problem with Europe, its history is filled with wars that never get forgotten and each country chooses to remember history biased towards their people being the wounded party

You choose to believe that Belarus has always been Russia, to do that you have to go back 1500 years before Russia existed and the Kiev Rus ruled Belarus. A lot happened in those next 1000+ years.



During this time, the territories of Belarus were acquired by the Russian Empire under the reign of Catherine II and held until their occupation by the German Empire during World War I.

Although under Nicholas I and Alexander III the national cultures were repressed due to the policies of de-Polonization and Russification, which included the return to Orthodoxy, the 19th century was signified by the rise of the modern Belarusian nation and self-confidence. A number of authors started publishing in the Belarusian language, including Jan Czeczot, Władysław Syrokomla and Konstanty Kalinowski.

In a Russification drive in the 1840s, Nicholas I prohibited the use of Belarusian language in public schools, campaigned against Belarusian publications and tried to pressure those who had converted to Catholicism under the Poles to reconvert to the Orthodox faith. In 1863, economic and cultural pressure exploded into a revolt, led by Kalinowski. After the failed revolt, the Russian government reintroduced the use of Cyrillic to Belarusian in 1864 and banned the use of the Latin alphabet.

During the negotiations of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, Belarus first declared independence under German occupation on 25 March 1918, forming the Belarusian People's Republic.Immediately afterwards, the Polish?Soviet War ignited, and the territory of Belarus was divided between Poland and the Soviet Russia.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Mutt

This sure doesn't sound like Belarus was always part of Russia, it's been yanked back and forth between Poland and Russia.

Just like the Ukraine, so what? Taras Bulba - the national Ukrainian hero. Learn history, man.



The last words he said when Poles burned him alive:

"Fare ye well, comrades!" he called to them from
above. "Remember me, land come hither again next
spring for another glorious raid! How now, you infernal
Poles? Think ye there is aught in the world that can
daunt a Cossack? Wiait! The day will come when you
shall learn what the Orthodox Russian is! Already do
peoples far and near forebode it: there shall arise a rul-
er from Russian soil, and there shall be no power on
earth that shall not yield to him!"

[TeenCat]

they may better ask for access to some sexual education, so there would be not that much pregnant schoolgirls after every school trip ...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yes of course. Read the history. For example, Belorussia was a part of Russia for all the time (it has never been independent). Armenia and Georgia has asked Russian czar be accepted by Russia because they were suffering of Turks. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide - Russians have simple saved their people.

Poles were imperialists as well and they had actually invaded Moscow. And why should they take my words? They have to start using a simple logic. Why would Russia invade them if they are not a threat? Course if they turn Poland into a stockpile for the US nukes, no one will guaranty their security. If you don't want a bull to attack you, you will not dance with a red rag in front of his eyes (if you are not an idiot of course). Once again, read something about Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. Especially take your attention to JFK's reaction. After that ask yourself a simple question: is there a single reason for Putin to act somehow different?

You write about guaranteeing security - no one is guaranteeing it right now to begin with. NATO and article 5 is a bluff, but no one is going to attack an American military installation unless they want that mutually assured destruction thing to happen (which, as you said yourself - is going to be target #1 in a pre-emptive strike). A pre-emptive strike does not have to be nuclear, as any weapons there could be taken destroyed by non-nuclear weapons. The Russian media portrays NATO as the aggressor and our (mostly German) media portrays Russia as the aggressor.

As for why would Putin act differently then JFK? Because times are different, intelligence and spying has evolved far beyond what it was in the 60s, and I feel Putin is actually quite cool-headed (Case-in-point, He hasn't turned Turkey into a smouldering crater, and he could probably take Istanbul in a week if he wanted to). He's not going to turn red with anger. He'd answer by placing nukes in Kaliningrad if they aren't already there, and probably some economic sanctions - but he's not going to attack Poland either. Cuba is small island, Poland is a sizable country.

Who knows though, maybe Kaczynski (the "power behind the throne so to speak) is fantasizing about rebuilding Poland as a superpower like it was in the 1600s or something. Maybe we'll be invading Ukraine from the other end - who knows... Nothing to do but wait and see how it plays out.

IMHO our biggest threat isn't Putin, it's Merkel...

[spads]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You write about guaranteeing security - no one is guaranteeing it right now to begin with. NATO and article 5 is a bluff, but no one is going to attack an American military installation unless they want that mutually assured destruction thing to happen (which, as you said yourself - is going to be target #1 in a pre-emptive strike). A pre-emptive strike does not have to be nuclear, as any weapons there could be taken destroyed by non-nuclear weapons. The Russian media portrays NATO as the aggressor and our (mostly German) media portrays Russia as the aggressor.

As for why would Putin act differently then JFK? Because times are different, intelligence and spying has evolved far beyond what it was in the 60s, and I feel Putin is actually quite cool-headed (Case-in-point, He hasn't turned Turkey into a smouldering crater, and he could probably take Istanbul in a week if he wanted to). He's not going to turn red with anger. He'd answer by placing nukes in Kaliningrad if they aren't already there, and probably some economic sanctions - but he's not going to attack Poland either. Cuba is small island, Poland is a sizable country.

Who knows though, maybe Kaczynski (the "power behind the throne so to speak) is fantasizing about rebuilding Poland as a superpower like it was in the 1600s or something. Maybe we'll be invading Ukraine from the other end - who knows... Nothing to do but wait and see how it plays out.

IMHO our biggest threat isn't Putin, it's Merkel...

Putin didn't do shit with Turkey because he's not in a position to do anything. The Russian economy is in a free fall.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You write about guaranteeing security - no one is guaranteeing it right now to begin with.

You can use any other word here. When your neighbor allows your potential enemy to place there a nuclear weapon which targets you, this doesn't mean anything good for that neighbor. Like as I said, we already had this situation in 1962.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

A pre-emptive strike does not have to be nuclear, as any weapons there could be taken destroyed by non-nuclear weapons.

Do you have any other way to destroy the nuclear missile silos? It will be very interesting to hear about them.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

The Russian media portrays NATO as the aggressor and our (mostly German) media portrays Russia as the aggressor.

How many military bases were created by Russia since its independence (1991)? How many by NATO? How many military conflicts were started by Russian army? How many by NATO armies? The one don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out who is the real (not portrayed) aggressor.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

As for why would Putin act differently then JFK? Because times are different

Sure they are different. There were no nukes near Russian borders in 1962. Now Poles are going to allow the United States to use their country as a lunch pad for their nukes (wanna be their cannon fodder). Seems like now the situation is much worse than then. I'm not Nostradamus, but just believe me - if Poland will do that, the situation will get out of control immediately.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

He'd answer by placing nukes in Kaliningrad if they aren't already there, and probably some economic sanctions

1) Kaliningrad is a Russian territory. Russia does not need for somebody's permission on where exactly it should store its nuclear missiles. Do the Americans ask somebody where they have to place nukes inside of their own country?

2) They were in Kaliningrad for all the time. Nothing has really changed.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Who knows though, maybe Kaczynski (the "power behind the throne so to speak) is fantasizing about rebuilding Poland as a superpower like it was in the 1600s or something.

The annexation of Crimea was not an invasion. The Russian army has already been there and the population of Crimea has always identified itself as Russian citizens. So you can compare it with Kosovo. The only difference is that NATO has killed a lot of people there, while the Crimea was rejoined with no blood.

[spads]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You can use any other word here. When your neighbor allows your potential enemy to place there a nuclear weapon which targets you, this doesn't mean anything good for that neighbor. Like as I said, we already had this situation in 1962.



Do you have any other way to destroy the nuclear missile silos? It will be very interesting to hear about them.



How many military bases were created by Russia since its independence (1991)? How many by NATO? How many military conflicts were started by Russian army? How many by NATO armies? The one don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out who is the real (not portrayed) aggressor.



Sure they are different. There were no nukes near Russian borders in 1962. Now Poles are going to allow the United States to use their country as a lunch pad for their nukes (wanna be their cannon fodder). Seems like now the situation is much worse than then. I'm not Nostradamus, but just believe me - if Poland will do that, the situation will get out of control immediately.



1) Kaliningrad is a Russian territory. Russia does not need for somebody's permission on where exactly it should store its nuclear missiles. Do the Americans ask somebody where they have to place nukes inside of their own country?

2) They were in Kaliningrad for all the time. Nothing has really changed.



The annexation of Crimea was not an invasion. The Russian army has already been there and the population of Crimea has always identified itself as Russian citizens. So you can compare it with Kosovo. The only difference is that NATO has killed a lot of people there, while the Crimea was rejoined with no blood.

Ask the Georgians who the real aggressor is :D

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by spads

Ask the Georgians who the real aggressor is :D

According to the official EU investigation, the real aggressor was Georgia. Grow up already, you little boy.

Some articles for those who don't want to read long PDF reports:
EU blames Georgia for starting war with Russia - Telegraph
EU Report: Independent Experts Blame Georgia for South Ossetia War - SPIEGEL ONLINE
BBC NEWS | Europe | Georgia 'started unjustified war'
EU-sponsored report says Georgia started 2008 war

Educate yourself already and stop posting your silly bullshit here.

[spads]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

According to the official EU investigation, the real aggressor was Georgia. Grow up already, you litle boy.

Yeah that's why the Russians keep moving the border further into Georgia as we speak.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by spads

Yeah that's why the Russians keep moving the border further into Georgia as we speak.

Stop speaking already and go back to your mom. Everything you post is too stupid to discuss it seriously.

[spads]

https://www.vice.com/read/russia-are...hrough-georgia

[spads]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Stop speaking already and go back to your mom. Everything you post is too stupid to discuss it seriously.

Good to see you sticking to the classics when you're unable to argue a point. Although Clown sounds a little bit less pedo than calling strangers little boys :D

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by spads

https://www.vice.com/read/russia-are...hrough-georgia

Are you an idiot? I'm not trying to insult you right now, I'm just asking because I believe an adult person can not be that stupid. Go read something about demilitarized zone between Georgia and South Ossetia. Read when exactly if was made (hint: not in this century), who has created and secured it. Also read which exactly countries have decided to build it and why.

[klinton]

another idiots @ the power, who the heck voted for them ?

err... it was something like 37 % of voters, right ? damn, what a shame.

I imagine Mr. Macierewicz with nuclear weapons.

3rd world war would be inevitable within 10 minutes

what a fucking idiots , thieves and liars.
but honestly - what they say is just to please some internal idiots in Poland that voted for them, nothing more.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

. So you should be more afraid of them rather than us

[Sid70]

The only problem there is it's Putin. No matter what you discuss it won't change shit. It has to be simply taken care of.

[HomerSimpson]

They are so afraid of Russians... They don't want Russia and Germany split their country again...

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

They are so afraid of Russians...

It's not necessary to say. Would be mental not to take any steps ahead.

Nobody expected Russian invasion into Crimea, it was unthinkable for the people, but most likely well prepared and well planned by Russia, and realized with help of traitor insiders.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sid70

Nobody expected Russian invasion into Crimea

Course you can not expect anything about the Ukraine because you have betrayed your Motherland. You did run from the Ukraine like a rat which runs from a sinking ship. As about Crimea, so it was not an invasion. Russia had about 25,000 of soldiers there and the locals were always wanted to be Russian citizens. So they just arranged it between themselves. Who can blame them for that? An always drunk immigrant who has exchanged his Mother Ukraine for a life of an illegal refugee in Italy? Don't make me laugh, loser.

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

They are so afraid of Russians... They don't want Russia and Germany split their country again...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You can use any other word here. When your neighbor allows your potential enemy to place there a nuclear weapon which targets you, this doesn't mean anything good for that neighbor. Like as I said, we already had this situation in 1962.

Except that Poland perceives Russia as a threat... It's sort of a "bad neighbor" situation already.

Do you have any other way to destroy the nuclear missile silos? It will be very interesting to hear about them.

Yes, you don't need a nuclear weapon to destroy a nuclear weapon - it's not indestructible, and a nuclear weapon could even be shot out of the air to begin with. It's absolutely possible to destroy a missle silo without nuclear weapons.

How many military bases were created by Russia since its independence (1991)? How many by NATO? How many military conflicts were started by Russian army? How many by NATO armies? The one don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out who is the real (not portrayed) aggressor.

I really don't know, I don't follow that. Everything comes down to OIL. Russia has oil and natural gas, most of the NATO countries do not. They are securing their interests, so that Russia does not have them by the balls.

Sure they are different. There were no nukes near Russian borders in 1962. Now Poles are going to allow the United States to use their country as a lunch pad for their nukes (wanna be their cannon fodder). Seems like now the situation is much worse than then. I'm not Nostradamus, but just believe me - if Poland will do that, the situation will get out of control immediately.

It won't get out of control immediately anymore then this whole Turkey thing got out of control. Do you think nukes in Germany pose any less threat to Russia? They are in range as well...

1) Kaliningrad is a Russian territory. Russia does not need for somebody's permission on where exactly it should store its nuclear missiles. Do the Americans ask somebody where they have to place nukes inside of their own country?

2) They were in Kaliningrad for all the time. Nothing has really changed.

So wait, Russia doesn't need anyone's permission to put nukes on it's territory, but Poland does? Russia can have have nukes in Kaliningrad, on Poland's border, but Poland can't have the same? Why are the rules different for Poland?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Except that Poland perceives Russia as a threat... It's sort of a "bad neighbor" situation already.

The important thing here is that Poland just "perceives", but when it allow the States to use it as a launch pad, there will be a real threat from that bad neighbor.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I really don't know, I don't follow that. Everything comes down to OIL. Russia has oil and natural gas, most of the NATO countries do not. They are securing their interests, so that Russia does not have them by the balls.

I don't see any logic here. It sounds like Russia is the country which has to secure its oil and natural gas from NATO. On the other hands since NATO countries in EU have no natural resources, they have nothing to secure

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Do you think nukes in Germany pose any less threat to Russia?

Germany has no borders with Russia.

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

So wait, Russia doesn't need anyone's permission to put nukes on it's territory, but Poland does?

Yes of course. Poland is not a nuclear country and it has no its own nukes.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Germany has no borders with Russia.

Doesn't really matter, with the range of missles being what it is - I suppose an extra little while to react at best.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yes of course. Poland is not a nuclear country and it has no its own nukes.

To me personally it seems like a headline like "Poland enriches weapons-grade plutonium" would come off alot worse

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Doesn't really matter, with the range of missles being what it is - I suppose an extra little while to react at best.

So why JFK was so mad when Soviets have deployed their missiles on Cuba?

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

They should wait until Amazon start doing them - Free delivery...

they deliver them with drones, now

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

What's about Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons? Poh? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trea...uclear_Weapons
May be Syria will ask about nuclear weapon for protection too

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Course you can not expect anything about the Ukraine because you have betrayed your Motherland. You did run from the Ukraine like a rat which runs from a sinking ship. As about Crimea, so it was not an invasion. Russia had about 25,000 of soldiers there and the locals were always wanted to be Russian citizens. So they just arranged it between themselves. Who can blame them for that? An always drunk immigrant who has exchanged his Mother Ukraine for a life of an illegal refugee in Italy? Don't make me laugh, loser.

Russia was ALLOWED to have up to 25000 soldiers in Crimea according to the traitor Yanukowich who was fucked away from Ukraine.

Crimean people have been passive faggots all the years, same as everyone on a post soviet environment, they would never do a thing to change their lives, so Putin used their weak points.

You can scream out loud about your being Russian patriot, but since you sell shit on the western market who supports democratic values you better shut the fuck up, you double side piece of shit.

I piss in your eyes.

P.S.: you retard go blame Clooney for living in Italy, deepshit faggot.