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Old 01-08-2024, 02:45 PM   #7901
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CB did not emailed me to submitted ID...

They haven't replied to my two emails about payment.
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Old 01-08-2024, 07:16 PM   #7902
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I got mine on the 2nd, seemed early. Maybe some beginning of the year payroll stuff is going on?

They aren't going to steal your money, though..
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Old 01-09-2024, 03:48 AM   #7903
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This is getting out of hand

Guys,

Have you had any success getting responses from the support?

I wrote to them 14 days ago and have yet to get a response. That was a common problem but they kind of worked on it and started to get back to the affiliates faster but this is ridiculous.

I know a whale of mine was taken, I see him daily but he is spending under a new username...

Recently I upped my chaturbate clicks with like 100% to test some new traffic but I`ll probably have to go to CamSoda and Stripchat again.

A lot of people here defending CB but when other have dedicated affiliate managers trying to make your life easier and CB just ignores you ( I have referred like 60 000 people to them through the years ) it`s starting to get a bit annoying.

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StripCash - 10 082 clicks on affiliate links. 2,68% sign up rate (270 signups). They also have insanely good support and a lot of glamour models.

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Old 01-09-2024, 06:02 AM   #7904
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Guys,

Have you had any success getting responses from the support?

I wrote to them 14 days ago and have yet to get a response. That was a common problem but they kind of worked on it and started to get back to the affiliates faster but this is ridiculous.

I know a whale of mine was taken, I see him daily but he is spending under a new username...

Recently I upped my chaturbate clicks with like 100% to test some new traffic but I`ll probably have to go to CamSoda and Stripchat again.

A lot of people here defending CB but when other have dedicated affiliate managers trying to make your life easier and CB just ignores you ( I have referred like 60 000 people to them through the years ) it`s starting to get a bit annoying.

Cheers
totally agree!
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Old 01-09-2024, 08:51 AM   #7905
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I know a whale of mine was taken, I see him daily but he is spending under a new username...
I've seen you say this multiple times in this thread, but have never seen you give an explanation as to how you can see someone spending daily that isn't one of your referrals?

Since you've mentioned emailing support dozens of times in this thread, my guess is support got tired of you continually asking them to look into spenders and aren't prioritizing your tickets anymore.
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Old 01-09-2024, 11:00 AM   #7906
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CB stopped carrying many years ago about their affiliates, the only ones defending CB are the ones who have been promoting them for 10 years
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Old 01-09-2024, 11:16 AM   #7907
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Simply unprofessional behavior by chaturbate. Just not transferring the money and only mentioning, upon inquiry, that they need an ID. In my opinion, it reflects poor management.
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Old 01-09-2024, 01:22 PM   #7908
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CB has always replied to me, a few days on average. I mean you're all getting paid maybe a few days late this time, chill. It would be nice if they had a presence on here but then they'd have to listen to us all complain about the same things endlessly.
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Old 01-09-2024, 01:40 PM   #7909
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CB has always replied to me, a few days on average. I mean you're all getting paid maybe a few days late this time, chill. It would be nice if they had a presence on here but then they'd have to listen to us all complain about the same things endlessly.
Same. Always found support to take no more than a few days, and efficient.

I noticed daily payment wasn't available, apparently I missed the deadline for ID verification, I didn't receive no email or request until a notification appeared in the admin area.

Check if need to provide ID - https://chaturbate.com/identity/
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Old 01-10-2024, 04:52 AM   #7910
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I've seen you say this multiple times in this thread, but have never seen you give an explanation as to how you can see someone spending daily that isn't one of your referrals?

Since you've mentioned emailing support dozens of times in this thread, my guess is support got tired of you continually asking them to look into spenders and aren't prioritizing your tickets anymore.


OK let me start

1 - I have referred 63500 + people so I have been with them for quite some time

2 - They have returned like 21 people after my messages ( I message them every 3-6 months to check upon missing referrals )

3 - I know a few specific people`s IP`s and I see them frequent my website on a daily basis, the same as before, and I am like 99,9% certain they don't continue looking about cam girls' ratings without spending a single $ on them

4 - I have been to the last 4 big Cam summits and overall Chaturbate support is going down the drain (according to multiple sources)

5 - Do you think it's normal for their biggest competitors to have dedicated affiliate managers and for them not to respond for days?

6 - What about allowing models to be affiliates themselves? Giving them an easy way to create aff links to share with followers? What about allowing models to put overlays on their cam streams linking to OF?

7 - Haven't you seen screenshots of girls asking whales to logout and create new accounts under their link so "I can get 20% more of your tips honey"

Regards
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Old 01-10-2024, 04:56 AM   #7911
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Same. Always found support to take no more than a few days, and efficient.

I noticed daily payment wasn't available, apparently I missed the deadline for ID verification, I didn't receive no email or request until a notification appeared in the admin area.

Check if need to provide ID - https://chaturbate.com/identity/
Payments are always on time, that is true. But the support its not efficient, they are efficient 50% of the time but for the nature and magnitude of Chaturbate is not enough at all.

Once again, why can their biggest competitors have dedicated affiliate managers, and they take days (and sometimes weeks) to respond? They stopped caring... and I know this inside out they care more for the models than the affiliates nowadays...

We should have never had to deal with stolen spenders. They should have their system made so that registering a new account with same Name, Address, Payment method etc is directly connected to the affiliate that previously referred him
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StripCash - 10 082 clicks on affiliate links. 2,68% sign up rate (270 signups). They also have insanely good support and a lot of glamour models.

CamSoda - $150 PPS. Some stats for 1 February 2021 - 12 February 2021: 5098 clicks - 119 Free sign-ups - 7 Paids signups - $1050 Profit
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Old 01-10-2024, 05:16 AM   #7912
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what are you going to promote instead?
Stripchat?
Yes, only real alternative.
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Old 01-10-2024, 05:44 AM   #7913
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We should have never had to deal with stolen spenders. They should have their system made so that registering a new account with same Name, Address, Payment method etc is directly connected to the affiliate that previously referred him
That's exact what i said a couple of times before. Should not be so difficult to write a little script for that.

But they can also say: The spender didn't make another account, and keep the spender for themself...
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Old 01-10-2024, 06:12 AM   #7914
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I just asked them to make the payment on time (paxum), but they have been delaying for too long this time. I haven't heard back in almost 7 days, I don't know what happened to them. This is too abnormal! There is no official feedback at all!
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Old 01-10-2024, 10:49 AM   #7915
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So are people having issues getting paid now with CB?
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Old 01-10-2024, 11:25 AM   #7916
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OK let me start

1 - I have referred 63500 + people so I have been with them for quite some time

2 - They have returned like 21 people after my messages ( I message them every 3-6 months to check upon missing referrals )

3 - I know a few specific people`s IP`s and I see them frequent my website on a daily basis, the same as before, and I am like 99,9% certain they don't continue looking about cam girls' ratings without spending a single $ on them

4 - I have been to the last 4 big Cam summits and overall Chaturbate support is going down the drain (according to multiple sources)

5 - Do you think it's normal for their biggest competitors to have dedicated affiliate managers and for them not to respond for days?

6 - What about allowing models to be affiliates themselves? Giving them an easy way to create aff links to share with followers? What about allowing models to put overlays on their cam streams linking to OF?

7 - Haven't you seen screenshots of girls asking whales to logout and create new accounts under their link so "I can get 20% more of your tips honey"

Regards
Around a year ago, CB cleaned up the site and no longer allows models to be affiliates. I haven't seen one promoting their affiliate link in several months. If you do see one, report it and the model will be warned and then banned if not removed.

You've referred thousands of members so you're getting at least hundreds of hits a day to your site, and didn't provide any evidence how you can you tie an ip address to a spender, just simply a hunch on your part. Your % of knowing that would be far less than 1%, you have zero proof.

The fact that you're routinely sending message to support asking them to look through your spenders is why they are now ignoring you. Can you imagine if every affiliate did that? Its simply not something they should have to do or capable of doing for every affiliate, especially since they've taken many steps to try and prevent affiliates losing spenders.

I've been promoting cams for 25 years and promoted dozens of programs and CB is the first cam affiliate program I've ever encountered that has "returned a spender" to an affiliate. Every single cam program has models that have the ability to take a spender "off platform" and try to monetize them by cutting the affiliate out, it just something that's part of the biz.

Having said that, I think CB would admit now that they screwed up by allowing models to be affiliates and promote that directly on their cams and bio and didn't react quick enough to shut it off.

I just glanced at my top ten spenders all time and they've all spent over 50k with the top at 125k and only 3 of the top 10 are still active. I don't whine about it, spenders stop spending at some point, its just what happens for a myriad of reasons.

Why do you think you need a dedicated affiliate manager? I've been with CB 10 years and needed support twice. I guarantee you that no affiliate manager is going to want to hear you constantly complain about thinking you've lost spenders and requesting they look into your account.

If you still think CB has leaks and is costing you spenders, then simply promote another program, there are at least a half a dozen other options.
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Old 01-10-2024, 11:32 AM   #7917
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Payments are always on time, that is true. But the support its not efficient, they are efficient 50% of the time but for the nature and magnitude of Chaturbate is not enough at all.

Once again, why can their biggest competitors have dedicated affiliate managers, and they take days (and sometimes weeks) to respond? They stopped caring... and I know this inside out they care more for the models than the affiliates nowadays...

We should have never had to deal with stolen spenders. They should have their system made so that registering a new account with same Name, Address, Payment method etc is directly connected to the affiliate that previously referred him
CB is responding to everyone within a day or two, you're the only one they are ignoring because you keep sending them the same request. When is the last time CB gave you a payout for lost spenders? Judging by their responses about 6 months ago, it seemed pretty clear that they would no longer be doing that.

A spender signing up via a different affiliate link or white label and using a different payment method will often not be tracked back to the original affiliate.

Try going to another program and then requesting their affiliate manager look into your account because you suspect some spenders have been stolen. Not only will they not do anything, but if you keep it up, they will simply ban you from the program. Back in the day on gfy, I saw plenty of affiliates get their accounts banned because they came to the board and suggested a program was intentionally stealing from them without proof.
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Old 01-10-2024, 12:14 PM   #7918
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Simply unprofessional behavior by chaturbate. Just not transferring the money and only mentioning, upon inquiry, that they need an ID. In my opinion, it reflects poor management.
Did CB told you to submitt an ID?

you got paid(paxum)?

they haven't answered my email yet!
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Old 01-10-2024, 04:39 PM   #7919
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I had problems to verify my account. Because it wouldn't accept my ugly face, the photos were blurry. But the ID was fine.

So I did try to repeat the process several times and gave up.
Sent them a mail about it but did never hear back from them.

Now, several months later they sent me ~8 wire-transfers. This was just a couple of days ago.
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Old 01-10-2024, 04:41 PM   #7920
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I had problems to verify my account. Because it wouldn't accept my ugly face, the photos were blurry. But the ID was fine.

So I did try to repeat the process several times and gave up.
Sent them a mail about it but did never hear back from them.

Now, several months later they sent me ~8 wire-transfers. This was just a couple of days ago.
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Old 01-11-2024, 07:39 AM   #7921
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got paid today

1.https://chaturbate.com/identity/

2.email CB

3.get paid
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Old 01-11-2024, 08:41 AM   #7922
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You guys are going to love this one!

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New Feature Alert! Use Shortcodes to create links in your chat! Create an affiliate signup link by typing [cb:signup] or [cb:tip amount=75 message="Tip me 75 tokens"] to suggest a tip. Type [cb:help] for more information.

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According to the replies, the [cb:signup] shortcode defaults to the 10 tokens per registration program and can't be changed

https://twitter.com/4LPH4_C0D3/statu...75445189406894
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Old 01-11-2024, 09:39 AM   #7923
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CB is responding to everyone within a day or two, you're the only one they are ignoring because you keep sending them the same request. When is the last time CB gave you a payout for lost spenders? Judging by their responses about 6 months ago, it seemed pretty clear that they would no longer be doing that.

A spender signing up via a different affiliate link or white label and using a different payment method will often not be tracked back to the original affiliate.

Try going to another program and then requesting their affiliate manager look into your account because you suspect some spenders have been stolen. Not only will they not do anything, but if you keep it up, they will simply ban you from the program. Back in the day on gfy, I saw plenty of affiliates get their accounts banned because they came to the board and suggested a program was intentionally stealing from them without proof.
Buddy Sending them 4 mails a year and considering this too much says it all...

I am actually promoting 4 different websites and I have GREAT connection with my affiliate managers. I even met some of them in person.

I don't know what is your goal here to be honest, but if you don't see overlays with OF links , Linktree and everything else on cams I suggest you look harder.

I have always been fair and promoted CB`s behaviour when it was deserved, but getting accounts stolen and having to deal with it is plain wrong.

As for tracking I am 100000% certain that the user is the same cause his freaking username on my website is the same as it is on his CB account, I see him logging daily but he is not spending... That doesn't even matter.

You are trying to explain how having an affiliate manager is something that doesn't help... CrakRevenue has one, CamSoda has one, Stripchat has one and CB doesn't... guess why.
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StripCash - 10 082 clicks on affiliate links. 2,68% sign up rate (270 signups). They also have insanely good support and a lot of glamour models.

CamSoda - $150 PPS. Some stats for 1 February 2021 - 12 February 2021: 5098 clicks - 119 Free sign-ups - 7 Paids signups - $1050 Profit
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Old 01-11-2024, 01:42 PM   #7924
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All I know is my whitelabel Sexcamz.chaturbate.com has made me avg 950.00 month last 9 years and I am grateful to have the opportunity. Always have paid me
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Buddy Sending them 4 mails a year and considering this too much says it all...

I am actually promoting 4 different websites and I have GREAT connection with my affiliate managers. I even met some of them in person.

I don't know what is your goal here to be honest, but if you don't see overlays with OF links , Linktree and everything else on cams I suggest you look harder.

I have always been fair and promoted CB`s behaviour when it was deserved, but getting accounts stolen and having to deal with it is plain wrong.

As for tracking I am 100000% certain that the user is the same cause his freaking username on my website is the same as it is on his CB account, I see him logging daily but he is not spending... That doesn't even matter.

You are trying to explain how having an affiliate manager is something that doesn't help... CrakRevenue has one, CamSoda has one, Stripchat has one and CB doesn't... guess why.
I scan hundreds of their cams daily, if you see a cam bio with leaks, simply report it and it will be dealt with if not banned. I haven't seen an affiliate link from a model in several months and only a handful of OF links and many of those models got their account banned and came back under another username.

CB chose to offer a support dept to handle larger amount of tickets rather than pay a couple of affiliate managers who wouldn't be able to handle that load. You could say, they should have both, but each company has to decide the benefit of how they allocate their revenue.

Again, how do you see the username on CB of one of your spenders, the only thing I've ever seen in the stats is the spenders account number. Just because someone is logging in doesn't mean he is spending, that's a huge leap to make that assumption. I'm sure I have hundreds of my past spenders who login daily and do not make a spend but merely just watch.

And yes, sending an email each quarter asking them to cross check all your spenders with the assertion that your spenders are being stolen without concrete proof is way over the line. Do you realize if every affiliate did this, it would be impossible to even run the program, but somehow you think you're special and they should allocate all this time to you. The fact that they haven't responded to you in 3 months shows they are done with you.

Again, CB is the only cam company I've ever seen even entertain doing this for an affiliate and actually make a repayment. If you read some of the responses CB gave out to affiliates requesting this last summer, it was clear that they would no longer be doing this for affiliates.

I'm just tired of seeing your whining negative posts one after the other in this thread with zero proof of your assertions. If you think CB's platform is causing you to lose spenders, then move your traffic and be done with it.
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Old 01-11-2024, 03:32 PM   #7926
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Does everyone still have their daily payout request option available?
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Does everyone still have their daily payout request option available?
I can not answer for everyone, but yes, I do
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Old 01-11-2024, 04:06 PM   #7928
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Does everyone still have their daily payout request option available?
Have you submitted your ID?

Or recently done so? You may have to ask for it re-enabling.
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Old 01-12-2024, 02:13 AM   #7929
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I scan hundreds of their cams daily, if you see a cam bio with leaks, simply report it and it will be dealt with if not banned. I haven't seen an affiliate link from a model in several months and only a handful of OF links and many of those models got their account banned and came back under another username.

CB chose to offer a support dept to handle larger amount of tickets rather than pay a couple of affiliate managers who wouldn't be able to handle that load. You could say, they should have both, but each company has to decide the benefit of how they allocate their revenue.

Again, how do you see the username on CB of one of your spenders, the only thing I've ever seen in the stats is the spenders account number. Just because someone is logging in doesn't mean he is spending, that's a huge leap to make that assumption. I'm sure I have hundreds of my past spenders who login daily and do not make a spend but merely just watch.

And yes, sending an email each quarter asking them to cross check all your spenders with the assertion that your spenders are being stolen without concrete proof is way over the line. Do you realize if every affiliate did this, it would be impossible to even run the program, but somehow you think you're special and they should allocate all this time to you. The fact that they haven't responded to you in 3 months shows they are done with you.

Again, CB is the only cam company I've ever seen even entertain doing this for an affiliate and actually make a repayment. If you read some of the responses CB gave out to affiliates requesting this last summer, it was clear that they would no longer be doing this for affiliates.

I'm just tired of seeing your whining negative posts one after the other in this thread with zero proof of your assertions. If you think CB's platform is causing you to lose spenders, then move your traffic and be done with it.
I don't give a flying fuck what you are tired of. My posts are not negative. Actually I think I was the first to say a whale was given back to me and how I made it, so others can ask for it as well.

On most websites, you don't have to worry that your spenders will be taken because on most of them someone making a new account with at least something identical will be directly linked back to you.

4 emails with 5-10 concrete accounts is not a lot. To be honest it takes them not more than an hours for all 4 emails to handle.

We are talking about checking 20-40 accounts per year... I am not asking them to take a look at all my spenders .I don't think I am special at all; I think having sent them more than 60,000 users, I should be getting better support. I have secured them a LOT in spending, and even if that is not a lot by their standards, I do value my time and effort.

P.S they actually responded yesterday, it was a negative ( no spenders have been taken according to them) interesting enough today one of them returned after 200 + days of exile

Anyway I wish you the best in your endeavours, I try to be completely honest in each situation, maybe I fail sometimes but you can rest assured the idea of my posts is not to whine
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P.S they actually responded yesterday, it was a negative ( no spenders have been taken according to them) interesting enough today one of them returned after 200 + days of exile
Verrrry suspicious...
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is there any service to provide CB verification? i dont get paid this year since i dont provide Id
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is there any service to provide CB verification? i dont get paid this month
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Anyone got their paxum payment for the last pay period?
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Anyone got their paxum payment for the last pay period?
Not yet received.
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Anyone got their paxum payment for the last pay period?
Also not received yet
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Old 01-18-2024, 07:45 AM   #7936
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I got paid, maybe they just like me better though. crypto and wire
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Old 01-18-2024, 10:47 AM   #7937
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I just got mine via Paxum.
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Got the payment mail and alrdy transfered to my bank account
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Old 01-18-2024, 12:31 PM   #7939
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Hello,

I am an affiliate of Chaturbate (not broadcaster). I received an email to verify my account by uploading a license and taking a selfie. Do I need to do this if I’m just an affilate?
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I am an affiliate of Chaturbate (not broadcaster). I received an email to verify my account by uploading a license and taking a selfie. Do I need to do this if I’m just an affilate?
Yes or they will hold your earnings even as an affiliate
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Yes or they will hold your earnings even as an affiliate
Thank you
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Old 01-21-2024, 06:19 AM   #7944
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What's going on???

Last 2 days hits down by 70-80%

Did CB hit the brake?
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What's going on???

Last 2 days hits down by 70-80%

Did CB hit the brake?
My hits have gone down considerably as well.
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My earnings have dropped to 2016 levels when I began promoting chaturbate. And thats with over 20,000 signups. DITW
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Last 2 days hits down by 70-80%

Did CB hit the brake?
It's terrible...
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This pretty much parallels my experience, except that I have been selling CB since the very beginning.

I find as well that commissions are all $1.20 or $2.20 and largely from different IDs. You don't see spenders having a big night or weekend anymore, or anyone spending consistently at all. As well I see lots of stats slumps where the traffic doesn't match my counts.

The novelty of cams has certainly worn off, and the performer talent that used to be there a few years ago has moved on. I can remember when there were fabulous girls on CB, and people would tip to just get their playlists.

CB anchors the industry. It will be difficult when it is no longer cost effective to send traffic there. I live in Canada so I will maybe do MAID lol.
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Thank you for your report.

Please note that broadcasters on Chaturbate can post their referral links on their bios as long as they are not specifically asking existing users to create new accounts.

Please let us know if we can assist you further.

Thank you,
The Chaturbate Team

This was the ansuer recived today so if you have any doubt of missing members try to reach their support never knows last time has returne me 4 members and about 10000$ în April 2023 but since that day thei no longer return any missing members I but im not thinking to give up Good luck to you all and btw every affiliat has heir revenu cut to hale lately even I an other pandemi wont come so soon now we get used with the new pays looks much to me like stock market it goes up and down
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