Glad we can have constructive discussions with mopek, muze and fuzebox.

My life was fine. I didnt need a deliberate worldwide trauma event to motivate me either.

whooooops... don't know when that broke, thanks for letting me know

Agree completely with what Bill said here and in this thread. There are so many factors that can come into play that impact the ups and downs of cam revshare earnings. When earnings are steady or rising month after month, nobody says anything, but if there is month over month declines then some often quickly assume that there must be a problem on Chaturbate's end.

Using Bill's tool, you want to look at total number of unique spenders as well as the month over month "30 days active spenders" for the last year. This usually will give you an idea of the affilliate's core group of regular spenders, the higher this number, generally the less of a fluctuation you'll see in month over month earnings.

Revshare cam earnings are made up of regular spenders (2+ spends per week), infrequent spenders (< 3 spends per month), drive by spenders (1 session of spends and then never return) and whales ($1000+ per month long term)

I believe long term sustained revshare earnings comes mostly from the core group of regular spenders. Sure losing a whale here and there can have a dramatic impact on earnings in the short term, especially if you don't have a large base of 30 days active spenders. I see too many affiliates get comfortable with a whale spending and then base their income projections on that whale or whales continuing to spend at their current level. That thinking is just not sustainable.

Here are the total spend amounts of the top 10 in my top 50 spenders that haven't spent in the last year, presumed gone forever.

$85,000
$81,000
$72,000
$52,000
$49,000
$40,000
$38,000
$23,000
$20,000
$15,000

That's almost a half million right there just in those 10 whales that I most likely will never see a penny from again. Sure they all had an impact on my earnings, but I can't whine and complain every time one of them stops spending.

Long term sustained earnings comes from keeping that core group of regular spenders and adding new ones each month to offset the one's you'll lose. In my experience with CB, you'll start to get consistent passive income when you can average 50 active 30 day spenders. Get the average up to 100+ and maintain it and the fluctuations will decrease as earnings stay consistent.

Today I got a new spender that initially signed up to my whitelabel over 8 years ago, unbelievable.

Nice writeup and thank you for backing it up with numbers :thumbsup

Thanks, also to reiterate what you said a few posts up. The 2020-21 customer spending during the pandemic was an anomaly that gave many affiliates a false set of expectations.

All of a sudden people were out of work or working from home and couldn't travel or go out. Average personal internet usage skyrocketed. This combined with many people all of a sudden having much more discretionary income led to many months where my average earnings doubled and even tripled with hardly any new spenders.

Then in 2022 as the pandemic subsided, my earnings fell month after month down to my usual averages. I watched many affiliates panic during this time thinking something must be wrong with CB because they didn't adequately account for the bump that the pandemic brought.

Thanks for your reply and for trying to present an argument instead of putting people down.

It seems like you're saying that cams are not like other adult programs, in that in order to make consistent money you need to be a higher level affiliate.

With paysites and dating a person can make $500/month consistently with a modest amount of traffic over a period of years. But you're saying that with cams there a far fewer spenders (meaningful ones anyway), and so an affiliate has to have LOTS of traffic, consistently over a long period of time in order to catch a consistent amount of whales.

I get it and I do see that pattern in cams in general.

I'm not sure it fully explains why so many affiliates experienced such a downturn around the same time (there was an affiliate above who used to make $5-6000/month and now only makes $2k, all things being equal) but it definitely makes sense and would be a factor for any small to medium sized affiliate.

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Not sure if you refer to me, but I'm sorry It feels like I try to put people down. For anyone reading through the forum for a while, I've been trying to get through the complaint for well over a year, even developed a tool years ago to make sure people understand the industry.


There are not "many" affiliates. As mentioned before, the one we see here are considered "very few".
The example you take is the ONLY example, that I mentioned, that is weird on this forum. We don't draw conclusion or theories on 1/10000th of affiliates.

Very well written. Thank you for backing this up.

Not really, it's more of a gfy mood type of thing that's seen in other threads too. It's been that way for awhile. So I'm talking about the mood from an overall push-back from the start of this thread.







Yeah, I guess I assume that most adult affiliates are here as the other adult forums I've heard of or visited seemed small. But point taken.

I may have confused you somewhat with my post. I never mentioned traffic in my post at all. Cams have way more upside than dating and generally I'd say a much higher return on investment. Dating revshare is limited to a fixed amount per month from each spender, whereas cam earnings are unlimited and the average return from a cam spender is generally much higher than a month to month dating member. The only reason I'd ever consider sending traffic to dating over cams is if I had a very niche traffic source of visitors specifically looking to meet someone offline.

I was trying to express that you need to build up your core group of regular cam spenders and then be able to replenish lost ones consistently in order to maintain solid month over month income. To some, that may mean you have to generate a ton of traffic, whereas with others with high quality niche specific traffic, it may not require that much.

I didn't read above about the affiliate's income that went down, did the 5-6k a month happen in 20-21? You say so many affiliates had downturns around the same time, what time frame was this? As I said earlier, you don't hear about the affiliates with steady or increasing earnings, only the ones why are upset that theirs went down.

There's no way to figure out why his earnings went down without digging into his stats history using Bill's stats enhancer. He could have had a few whales that made up a large % of his income and once they left, there was a drastic drop. I currently have a spender that has spent $119k in 3 years. His spending has tapered way off in the last 6 months and that certainly impacted my earnings.

I'd much rather be making 5k a month off a monthly average of 100 "30 day active spenders" vs 6k a month off a monthly average of 40 "30 day active spenders". In the long run I'll make way more off the core group of 100 spenders even though their average spend is much lower.

I imagine though that even if you had niche traffic you still would have to have a lot as even niche surfers can be freeloaders. But I agree that if someone had lots of tube traffic (1 million hits) that they'd be outdone by someone with niche cam traffic (50,000 hits).

I'd take 1000 niche cam hits over 1mil tube hits all day

Did CB changed something today ? I just got two chargebacks from two different users (-16.00, -.4.20), I never saw that before, I checked my last 2000 purchases history and I never had one.

Those are normal, I've seen way higher CBs. Just ignore it and keep going.

Ok thank you :thumbsup

yup, totally agree. even 300-500 targeted cam traffic/daily, for the right keywords, can do a few k with cams.

So a quick update from me on the CB front. (and here is the BIG problem with them)


I sent 5 different mails in the last 60 days


Mail 1 - 21 Users

Mail 2 - 16 users (no new users added)

Mail 3 - 2 users ( included in each of the previous mails )

Mail 4 - 11 users ( Just 1 user that was not included in any of the mails )

Mail 5 - 11 users ( same as the previous one )

They responded to 3 mails and each time they will say a different amount of users were found to be signed up during a different ID

It was something like 1,3,2

How is that even possible is beyond me.

The worst part is that I specifically ask them to tell me the ID of the user they are returning to me and his new ID so I can keep track but they don't give that info.

So next time I want to ask I have to include all users that I have already asked about

Got something like that too, and they didn't give me wich ID's. Why can't they give the user UID? that tells nothing about who it is, but we can see who has been returned and who not.

Imo the CB system is not working very good, because i see hits that i cannot explain.
1) I get PPS hits, i never used PPS and not one site of me has it.
2) I get embedded cam hits, on not one of my sites i have embedded cams.

So i asked how it's possible that i get that above hits, not a letter answer...

The only thing what i know for sure, is that i have until today 0.00 revenue for this period, but CB is telling me that everything on my account looks fine, runs good etc etc.

Same goes for quality paysite offers, even in 2023. :thumbsup

Do you have examples?

I sent Chaturbate my first email in 8 years. They returned 9 guys back to my account and sent me $10,000 back pay. My income definitely not as good as covid days but stays real consistent. Almost scary my payout is almost the same every 2 weeks. Wish it would climb but can't really complain the big amount I make doing nothing.

I also asked them to review some users who disappeared. Here's something interesting. Models are way smarter than before. My biggest spender still uses his old account and even spends small amounts monthly. He uses another, or maybe multiple accounts at the same time, to make sure he stays under the radar.. Anyway, CB support did an amazing job once again, I got 8 users back along with $12k.

Are you just sending them all your top spenders ID from cb-stats?

What is the process of finding someone who still uses his old account but mainly spends on the new ones?

The same report and they just see the same credentials etc?

Regards

That worked!

Should re-name GFY to "Go Find Your Loot"!

That worked!

Should re-name GFY to "Go Find Your Loot"!

Has there been some sort of change to using tags with the API v2?

I could chain &tag=tag1&tag=tag2&tag=tag3 but as of today it is only showing the last tag.

&tag=tag3 is tag3, you replaced tag1 with tag2, then with tag3.

Anyone see huge spike in free regs couple of days ago?

I've never tried &tag[]=tag1&tag[]=tag2&tag[]=tag3

or &tag=tag1&tag.=tag2&tag.=tag3 (even without punctuation)

I don't know if either is legal. But whatever, the result would need to meet the expectations of the script on the other end of the URL.

Cloudflave is timing out tonight a lot. Better get MojoHost.

WTF is here, some posts does not appear at all, some twice.

you still can, just tested it

https://chaturbate.com/api/public/affiliates/onlinerooms/?wm=xxxxx&client_ip=request_ip&tag=lesbian&tag=big boobs&tag=teen

returns 2 models both that match the 3 tags i used

&tag=lesbian&tag=bigboobs&tag=teen

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Yeah it's the wrong example

I mean if I use the tag filter tag=feet&tag=bdsm in the API URL I only get the last tag.

yes, weird

any ideas why?

Forgive me if I make an obvious error but here is what I see:

This returns 435 results:
https://chaturbate.com/api/public/affiliates/onlinerooms/?wm=xxxxx&format=xml&client_ip=request_ip&tag=asia n&gender=f

This returns 96 results

https://chaturbate.com/api/public/affiliates/onlinerooms/?wm=xxxxx&format=xml&client_ip=request_ip&tag=asia n&tag=new&gender=f



You would think the second query would return more results as it is asian + new. But it returns less. It seems that it only returns models that have both tags specifically set, where as before it would return any model with one of those tags set. So If I have 5 tag parameters set I barely have any results all of a sudden.

Confused.

I do not recall it working anyway other than the way it is working now. I definitely could be wrong but i don't remember.

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Can anyone recommend a Cloud-based script that updates 10-20 CB rooms active at the moment, based on gender, to promote?

I have niche sites that have four or five tags selected. For example a brown girl site that has ebony, latina, colombia, anal, bigtits tags selected. I woke up yesterday and found that this produces no results and the home page is blank. The more tags you have selected the less chance of results.

I'm going to try to mail something to support that hopefully will explain this.