GoCastaway

Reported all 4, it looks like it's going more crazy every day...

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heiko0o

Its great to see that ya'll are having better revenue since April and May. Unfortunately, in my last post i wasn't kidding and it really became a reality that this is the worst period ever in 4 years for me. Judging to what i earned in 2018 per period i just lost 90% of my inital monthly earnings on this May Period - When i compare it to 15 - 30 April Period i lost -75% of my initial earnings. The weird thing is that the revenue in April did not just come from 1 Person but multiple people that have been registered under my affiliate link for more than 2+ years. And yes, my signups and hits have been growing the last 2 months.

For me personally (and this is probably whining) i cannot see any other reason than the models actively trying to steal the referred members and tie them to their account. A decrease of that nature just does not seem normal to me. Especially not in times like this where everyone is at home. I don't know, if the revenue stays around that number then i will most likely have to abandon the website and search for a different cam site as the revenue was never that low.

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webmaster75

Go on

https://fr.chaturbate.com/hotbella_/

xxx6live

I have to learn to keep my mouth shut. After the last post the earnings have been shit, even had a zero revenue day. And that after my traffic literally doubled with the last Google update.

One positive thing is that I got a new spender today who registered in sept 2017!

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bill_musk

Trying to find a reason for irrational spending (because it is what it is) is normal. We're not in a food market. People don't actually need camgirls on a daily basis.

Stealing is marginal. The fact that we have $10 and $500 days in the same month should be a bif enough explaination: there is no way to level the earnings.

In numbers it seems that unless you have 100 active spenders each month, you cannot garantee the final resultt, and number can vary;

On a month with 70 spenders in august 2018 I made twice the amount then on january of this year with 80 spenders. It's not a fatality, its not affiliates stealing people, it's just how the cam affiliate world game works

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heiko0o

Okay i understand. But part of what makes me so confused is just the fact that the whole 2018 in general was a good year where i never had a drop like this (i can literally count the 0.00$ days on one hand in 2018) - To go from 100% down to 10% of revenue earned per period seems to be a bit concerning for me.

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GoCastaway

You are not the only one, much more webmasters have the same, me too.

Ofcourse there is fluctuation, a bad week is not a bad month, and a bad month is not a bad year, but on the moment it's really something to be concerned.

Mr. Musk can say that there is no stealing, as everyone can see on the pages of the models there is more and more stealing with all the overlay buttons, re-signup texts etc etc, and that is the BIG problem for us.

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LouiseLloyd

Zero income for 10 days straight, despite increase in traffic & signups. Could be one of those freak dry patches, it happens.

Would be good to see decisive action taken against models regarding the abuse of affiliate program. Affiliates job is to send traffic and get paid commission, models job to convert traffic and earn a living from camming. Any onsite affiliate promo is as scammy as cookie stuffing!

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GoCastaway

More people with strange login on the CB stats?

A lot of times when i login at the stats page i fill in my password and then i am redirected to the main CB page

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cybermike

Yeah been randomly happening to me when I click on another page of stats

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zero4

Yeah i have the same issue the last 3-4 days

I have also one strange redirection to t.hrtyj.com url and my antivirus blocks it for phishing.

https: //imgur.com/a/7PMYR86

Speigelau

Yeah, this has been happening to me also the last couple of days. I thought maybe it was a cache issue and something I did, but it seems like its something on their end if others are having it happen.

GoCastaway

t.hrtyj.com is one off the many urls from Crackrevenue. I don't use them anymore because a lot of their urls are blocked for malware/fishing/fraude etc by Malwarebytes or by ESET antivirus, this url is blocked by Malwarebytes for fraude. Why do you think that Crackrevenue is changing the link urls so often?

There are strange things going on...

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Shedevils

Something is up and our signups stopped when this weirdness began.

Pretty concerned as we got hammered when the stats were wrong last time during January and February.

@zero4 are you saying you have a redirection on the Chaturbate page?

zero4

Yeah but i really dont know why i get this redirection.
I send email to Chaturbate support before few days but they couldnt provide one solution...

Yes!For example i am in the home page of Chaturbate,then i want to go in linking codes page i get this weird redirection,then my antivirus blocks it and i try again.

Doesnt happen every time.Just random times per day

pornuploader

Maybe this explains that why my free sign ups have dropped over the past few days.

GoCastaway

I think that everything at CB is running out of hands, the support is also going down, sometimes a week before a reply IF you already get a reply...

And yes, that is very strange if you click on the linking code page and you are redirected to a Crack Revenue url.

What i said, there are strange things going on, here sometimes 1-2 hours not 1 hit and after the hits are running again, but for days not 1 reg...

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GoCastaway

Here not 1 free signup in 11 days, it's unbelievable, and de hits still low

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Shedevils

Since May 9th.

I am wondering if the page jump is Malwarebytes blocking some include.

zero4

To be honest i'm new to this game.
I start promoting Chaturbate before 2-3 months.
In this period i worked hard and now i have incredible increase of registrations+earnings.

Everything was promising before few weeks.

Then i started to read here how camgirls "steal" registered users from affiliates (i had also big spender that he disapeared but i will not judge yet,i will make patience for now)

Then i had these weird redirections that make me feel suspicious as i cant understand whats going on and obviously its so annoying cause i cant even fix it

Really sad cause i was so motivated this time.

Sorry for my English.

MeteoMan

I have those strage redirections too but free registrations are good (those days were my best days for free regs numbers!)

zero4

Redirections to t.hrtyj.com url you mean?

MeteoMan

Nope,i'm talking about stats page--->cb homepage

Drew Peacock

We can unfortunately see that this is not going to happen for us affiliates. At this point they have made it pretty clear that affiliates do not matter!! They will not change and many will keep sending them traffic until it gets too bad for them. And at that point CB will have made their $$$.

Wasn’t Chaturbate started by WEGCash people?? The same place that shut its affiliate program without notice and without paying affiliates?? Not good for us if true. They remove CSS from Whitelabels, now no affiliate support for us.

I see people having success with StripChat and I have to thank you all for posting about them. 90% of my traffic is there now and it doing great for me!!

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OliveOwen

Hello everyone. My first day on GFY and from what I have seen there are very smart and experienced people here.

I would like to ask: where do i get the link for the 20% commission on CB? I would like to send it to some high spenders I know.

I see a link tha says 20% RevShare but when i send to the members it directs them to the chaturbate main page.

I really would like to know where exactly I should find the right link and the next steps.

I would be really grateful for that!

Speigelau

Yes CB was started by some from Wegcash, however you are incorrect in how Wegcash closed. They informed everyone of a closure date and paid out all money owed.

siteman12

This is where our affiliate profits are going.
https://sexcamz.chaturbate.com/ehotlovea/
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heiko0o

I have some spare domains that i actually wanted to put in use for Chaturbate but it seems like it's better to try out other programs for now. Guess i am going to try out Stripchat for now. Atleast for so long until CB fixes their issues.

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bill_musk

for me the period is alright. And the stats agreggated from now 100 affiliates shows a slight increasing trend of revenues over the last 45 days.

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drexl

Banners and links in bio are only the tip of the iceberg. Imagine what goes on in a social media private conversation between a whale and a model.

Although they do it in bad faith, I wouldn't blame models for what is happening, the fact that chaturbate is letting them do it should give you a hint.

Models are now part of a business strategy to funnel customers away from Webmasters' brand. This is why sponsors have opened their affiliate programs to them with often technological marketing advantages models aren't even aware of themselves (this doesn't apply only to cb).

The Lifetime business model doesn't exist to the same extent as it used to. Imagine the webmaster's pool of customers like a reservoir. Sponsors don't want the water to grow stale (stuck in the reservoir). Instead they drill holes in the reservoirs using broadcasters/models, and many other means.

I expect a random guy to post his super stats here anytime to divert the attention from an existing problem.

PROBLEM SOLUTION: Affiliate-Customer binding should be based on user, not on username

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bill_musk

Bind it on Credit Card print and / or customer number. Should be way enough and efficient

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drexl

Absolutely!

They're already doing it. We've established that they already have mechanisms to group by users: the last column in the stats is the unique user identifier.

In addition, we'd still need to remove the links and banners which are in no way related to affiliate marketing because they don't drive traffic to the destination site. But I have a feeling this will be considered unreasonable...

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bill_musk

Time to create an union

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heiko0o

Can you shed some light on the unique user identifier, drexl?

Is it something that is tied to one machine, like a mac adress? - What if a user decides to clear cookies and register under a new affiliate link? Will he still be with the same user identifier? If not, what's the point of the unique user identifier?

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GoCastaway

I think that the user indentifier will change when they clear cookies and make a new registration.


CB should run a database query to see wich CC/paymentdata are registered under a new account and put that back to their first registration affid, then we get our spenders back.

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magnatek

I think these models they trying to attract guest users.They can't take already registered users.

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Only if they coming with a better offer for tokens than Chaturbate.

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Pugtato

If the cookies run out (after 30 days), wouldn't that user register under her link with her cookie?

Tulku

Yeah .. same here .. strange it redirects from the stats page to cb homepage ..

drexl

The data used to produce your stats comes from the backend. The cookies are only used to bind a username to an affiliate, after that it is in the db.

If you look at your stats you see this:
Timestamp User ID Purchase Amount Commission Track Signup Date Country User UID


Column #2 is an ID that has a 1-1 relationship with a username, thus it will change for each username. Column #8 is User UID (User Unique ID) and is a 1-n relationship with usernames (1 user can have many usernames)

For example your user could have a username webmasterxxx with User ID = 12345678 who has a User UID of ABCDEFG.
When that user is stolen, in the backend it will show like username cc_newusername with user ID = 777777 and User UID = ABCDEFG

12345678 shows up in YOUR stats, 777777 shows up in "who you know"'s stats. Both are the same user (same UUID).

They do have the data, they just need to change the binding to an affiliate from username to user, and this would solve part of the "stealing"

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siteman12

https://sexcamz.chaturbate.com/caylin/ Top right hand corner.

heiko0o

Very interesting. Thanks for writing this up!
So basically they have the everything, they just fail to implement it or don't want to implement it. The question then is, why did they even implement a UID? I mean it must be there for something. It seems to be fairly new as well, because i remember i didn't see the UID a couple of months ago.

Maybe they already have something in the works? Well, it would be better to inform the affiliates here so we would atleast stop complaining

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heiko0o

Can't edit my last post anymore - Do you also think its possible to specifically ask for information about a UID from the CB Support?

Like, if i email them with some UID's and ask them if they can check if they have registered under a different cookie, do you think they will provide information like this?

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bill_musk

Where did u get this information from?

As far as I know, clearing cache and making a new account will change the UID. Impossible to bind it to multiple username.

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Speigelau

Stats page is still redirecting to main page about every other time checking stats. I haven't done enough digging to know if this is redirecting to the main page via an affiliate link. Sure hope they didn't get hacked and malware put on their back end.

Wish they had rep here that would look into things, besides Punker every other month.

zhenyoung

"Stats page is still redirecting to main page about every other time checking stats. "
yes,me too

drexl

If not shown in the stats it would have always been there in the backend. As a convention, relational databases use an integer to uniquely identify an entity.

One reason why they'd show ID instead of USERNAME in the stats is because they don't want affiliates (webmasters or broadcasters) to know usernames, they just want you to see anonymous transactions. It makes sense.


I can't say for sure but my guess is they won't give you that information.


I am a computer professional and I use common sense to demonstrate the point:
if they were oblivious to that information you could create new usernames by the hundreds and make money using their PPL program ($1 per signup). But you can't do that, they will spot you because like any serious business they have mechanisms in place. And that's even before you enter any credit card details.

Let's be precise with the definition so we're sure to talk about the same thing. You must be talking about the ID (User ID - column 2), which is different for each username/account. UID (User Unique ID - column 8) however is unique per user/person.

Clearing cookies and making a new account will change the ID, but it is my assessment that the UID will remain the same.

If you think about it, their fraud and abuse department must need this information. They don't want fraudsters or abusive customers to re-spawn by just creating a new username.


This is also useful for their marketing department so they can see the flow.


Let's see a few scenarios for illustration purposes:

#1 user first account
(ID:123456;UID:abcdef;USERNAME:bob;AFFILIATE_ID:xx x)

#2 user clears cookies, and creates a new account
(ID: 333427;UID:abcdef;USERNAME:cc_bob;AFFILIATE_ID:yyy )

=> user abcdef was originally referred by xxx but now yyy makes the $$
=> only ID and UID are shown to the affiliate, the other records are obviously in the db but not displayed in our dashboard.

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xxx6live

Happens here also.

Check the "affkey" cookie... you must have the development tools open (F12) before you click on the stats.

I get

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bill_musk

Well I beg to differ. For 2 reasons:
1/ They don't ban people from PPL based on this mechanism. They stop paying people PPL BEFORE first payment if no lead as converted in a paid user - OR if the PPL they must pay to the affiliate is superior to their own earnings (hear 30% of the amount spent by users reffered by that affiliate). That is the exact same mechanism that CrakRevenues uses with the MyFreeCams PPL program.

2/ I have actual proof, from 2 different CB accounts (one is mine and another is a partner), that 2 very shady story happened and that the UID were indeed different, yet the same person. I'll just talk about my experience:

Note: At that time (2019), I was generating unique tracker for every link I was posting, up to 300,000 different trackers to this day. A link would be visible only for a few days.

So in July 2019, I note that I have those 6 accounts that signed up under the exact same tracked link. A record definitely. More over, those 6 accounts are all from Austria (Never had an Austrian spender before).
Signup date: July 03rd, 23th, 26x3 and 27th. First warning. How come they sign up more than 20 days after the link posting? Definitely a red flag. My supposition: 1 person is stuck with my cookie for 30 days, and is making new accounts.

Now they spend a total of $3036 accross all accounts.
Account1: $2414 from July 7th to december 7th
Account2: $195 from July 23rd to March 10th
Account3: $122 from July 26th to September 09th
Account4: $42 on July 26th
Account5: $133 from July 26th to November 24th
Account6: $154 from July 27th to September 8th

Now this could all be a big coincidence right? Who cares, I'm raking comissions.

Now comes the chargeback. They ALL have chargedback money. Not the full amount, a total of $1555.
Account1: -$1308
Account2: -$61
Account3: -$32
Account4: -$21
Account5: -$92
Account6: -$40

Now you tell me what are the odds that:
- 6 people who sign up from the same tracker out of 300,000 trackers
- Who are all from the same small Austrian country
- Who spends regularely over the same period of time
- Who all do a chargeback around the same days
are different people?

To the conclusion: All those people have different UniqueID, but I'm pretty certain it's the same guy.

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drexl

You make interesting points.

Although not a conclusive demonstration, I agree with you that this looks like the same guy and let's assume that it is.

I also assume from what you are saying that those 6 accounts have 6 different User IDs AND 6 different User UIDs, right? (these are 2 different columns).
=>Can you please confirm.

My explanation is making a generalization in an attempt to find out how the system works, I am not taking into account every edge cases obviously, that would be pointless and distracting. What I am trying to find out is if cb has a way to group transactions by user rather than just by usernames/accounts. UUID seems to fit the bill.

I could be wrong, as I am not a chaturbate employee I can only speculate based on my observations and experiences.

Fair enough, I agree I picked the wrong example. It doesn't proof or disproof that they can identify a user though. They can have other mechanisms.

In your opinion what is the difference between UID and UUID?
Can you confirm your example #2 shows 6 different User UID (UUID)?
Do you think Chaturbate has no way to group transactions by users as well as usernames?

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