Do you still need affiliates?

[DVTimes]

An old post was just bumped up again in recent days (the Juliland Cash shutting down post).

The question is, do you really need affiliates?

I know that with no effort at all I get sales each day from social media. People post the odd pic of mine on facebook and this is then past to many people. The result was lots of sales from fans of that model.

While affiliates may have tgp's, porn tubes and so on. These are often populated by people seeking free porn and while I get sales from such sites, they are not as easy as social media.

These days its just so easy to let people post a few pics to there 'fans' on there facebook or twitter site and sit back and watch the sales flow in.

In truth anyone who runs there own paysite (as in 100% exclusive content) and is not raking it in, is really doing somthing wrong.

I have seen sites close and I keep thinking, should I offer to run it for them, as a lot of these sites could be making huge bucks.

Many I suspect have relied upon google hits and affiliates in the past and have not changed.

The truth is, there are more people than ever on the internet with faster speeds. So if there was a time to make money from porn, is now.

For me, this is the golden age of porn. Not ten years ago.

[NatalieK]

yes, affiliates are important for traffic & sales

[CaptainHowdy]

hahaha, good one :P

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

yes, affiliates are important for traffic & sales

Gary

Why are you even posting in this thread.

1. Your a bloke (Gary) posting as Nat.

2. You have stated sales are so bad for your sites you cannot pay your server bills.

3. You believe that having 7 (or whatever no of crap sites you now have) = different niches.

Clearly you have no reason to give advise.

If I asked about how to pimp my girlfriend/wife out for next to nothing for unprotected sex with strangers then, yes, by all means, please give your insite.

Please go away Gary.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Natalie... I think everyone should check out your new website & begin making some serious sales with your exclusive HD content with daily updates!

Clearly you're not here for business conversation or you would choose to converse in business, rather than the vulgar negative comments you make.

You need to get a life you nasty monster

what comes around goes around

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Clearly you're not here for business conversation or you would choose to converse in business, rather than the vulgar negative comments you make.

You need to get a life you nasty monster

what comes around goes around

Stop hijacking threads Gary.

No one is interested in you.

Gary its just boring now.

Just keep posting your crappy threads.

Just go away.

I am not interested in some bloke who pimps his wife out, and shoots crappy content on his crappy camera phone, on his crappy home made sites and then makes out he is in 'business'. Then posts pretending to be someone else to get around his ban.

Why not spend your time trying to get a few sales rather than spam spam spam on this forum.

Your banned from most (if not all) other webmaster forums.

My tip for you is, go away. Think about your sites, and make changes. While you will never get rich from them, you may get a few sales to make it a bit of a fun hobby. But do that rather than waste your time on a webmaster forum, hoping to get some huge whale is going to sign up and make you rich.

But its up to you.

And the bottom line Gary is you are banned from this forum.

[PornAffiliate]

Of course you do. You need to pay them more than "up to 50%" tho.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Stop hijacking threads Gary.

You're hijacking your own thread you idiot

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by PornAffiliate

Of course you do. You need to pay them more than "up to 50%" tho.

agreed it would be nice to pay more than 50%, alas, by the time you remove server costs, editing & models & of course the billing. It's nice for a website owner to receive maybe 10% of it's earnings

[j3rkules]

You just have won the 2016 Award For The Troll Of The Year.

[Coup]

When the owner of BalladSalad speaks, you fucking listen

[Ferus]

You two cunts should just meet up and join a suicide vest test Group. Every time any of you write a line of text, the general IQ of the board goes down a little, with your moronic incorerent dripple.

Your sites are shit, because both you and your content is shit. The problem for you is not "do we need affiliates". You dont get any sales, because people dont want to see - let alone PAY - for your shit.

The only thing that keeps you online is welfare checks (DVtimes) and pimping out your wife(Gary pretending to be nat.).

Those are the FACTS - keep trying to paint your fantasy image of you both being webmasters.. you are NOT ... you are webfailures

If the internet ever gave birth to retarded kids, its you two

[ruff]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

An old post was just bumped up again in recent days (the Juliland Cash shutting down post).

The question is, do you really need affiliates?

I know that with no effort at all I get sales each day from social media. People post the odd pic of mine on facebook and this is then past to many people. The result was lots of sales from fans of that model.

While affiliates may have tgp's, porn tubes and so on. These are often populated by people seeking free porn and while I get sales from such sites, they are not as easy as social media.

These days its just so easy to let people post a few pics to there 'fans' on there facebook or twitter site and sit back and watch the sales flow in.

In truth anyone who runs there own paysite (as in 100% exclusive content) and is not raking it in, is really doing somthing wrong.

I have seen sites close and I keep thinking, should I offer to run it for them, as a lot of these sites could be making huge bucks.

Many I suspect have relied upon google hits and affiliates in the past and have not changed.

The truth is, there are more people than ever on the internet with faster speeds. So if there was a time to make money from porn, is now.

For me, this is the golden age of porn. Not ten years ago.

Apparently you do not have significant affiliate sales or you would not be questioning the need for affiliates. There are many professional sites built around the affiliate model exclusively. Yes, if you have traffic and can generate your own sales you are way ahead of the game, but without affiliate, you are leaving money on the table. But you know this already don't you?

[BoomBoomBenoit]

I believe affiliates are still important and relevant in today's adult internet because they are able to add site growth from areas that you might be weak in.

Take media buying for example. Media buying is an art form and there are many successful affiliates that simply buy huge amounts of media to promote affiliate programs. They'll promote whatever converts and pays them the most - making profit between buying the media and "selling" it to your affiliate program. If your content converts, you need an affiliate program to work with media buyers!

Or perhaps their expertise is in second tier social media (so not twitter/facebook/instagram but hyves or tumblr). If you ignore affiliates, you're only going to grow as big as your personal expertise and staff will allow you to.

Affiliates multiply your growth and that's the key to be BIG.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Good affiliate traffic has a better conversion rate than social media (campaigns*) does.

Word of mouth advertising is the best and the hardest to get.

Cam models and social media is dangerous business ...

[anexsia]

Having an affiliate program can get your brand out there, bring in lots of extra traffic, and lots of links to your site(s) from all over the internet - and all that before you even factor in sales.

Look at Amazon and Google, both have affiliate programs.

[CaptainHowdy]

[LatinaCamChat]

That welfare / disability check you receive in the mail is not from social media sales, affiliate sales, or any other kind of sale to your paysite(s)

[LatinaCamChat]

Originally Posted by Ferus

You two cunts should just meet up and join a suicide vest test Group. Every time any of you write a line of text, the general IQ of the board goes down a little, with your moronic incorerent dripple.

Your sites are shit, because both you and your content is shit. The problem for you is not "do we need affiliates". You dont get any sales, because people dont want to see - let alone PAY - for your shit.

The only thing that keeps you online is welfare checks (DVtimes) and pimping out your wife(Gary pretending to be nat.).

Those are the FACTS - keep trying to paint your fantasy image of you both being webmasters.. you are NOT ... you are webfailures

If the internet ever gave birth to retarded kids, its you two

I swear I didn't see this post before creating mine, but wholeheartedly agree

[redwhiteandblue]

Something that is often not considered in these discussions is that affiliates send a proportion of sales that they won't get credited for. Surfers that browse in private mode, or clean their cookies, or join after the cookie has expired, or refuse to hit affiliate links and type in the site name from the watermark instead, etc, etc. So the 50% of sales isn't always actually 50% of total sales.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Ferus

The only thing that keeps you online is welfare checks (DVtimes) and pimping out your wife(Gary pretending to be nat.)

can you take that false allegation back!

However, we, Gary & I.... DO NOT receive any help from governments, no tax benefits, no council tax or rebates like tax credits!

We live on our own income, hence why we take our business very seriously

I answered this thread in serious business behavior because our websites & content puts our food on the table & pays for the roof over our heads!

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Good affiliate traffic has a better conversion rate than social media (campaigns*) does.

Word of mouth advertising is the best and the hardest to get.

Cam models and social media is dangerous business ...

exactly this


I prefer good quality traffic from affiliates than tweeting daily & using tubes

[LatinaCamChat]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

can you take that false allegation back!

However, we, Gary & I.... DO NOT receive any help from governments, no tax benefits, no council tax or rebates like tax credits!

We live on our own income, hence why we take our business very seriously

I answered this thread in serious business behavior because our websites & content puts our food on the table & pays for the roof over our heads!

Your website can't even pay four your vps server.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

can you take that false allegation back!

Bitch all you want Gary, it wont change the facts that what I wrote is true.

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

In truth anyone who runs there own paysite (as in 100% exclusive content) and is not raking it in, is really doing somthing wrong.

Are you doing this?

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

dude stop posting this. I can't get shit done. I watch it at least 30 times each time I see it

[Axeman]

We definitely still welcome and believe in the affiliate model. Good partnerships are always valued.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Brian837

Are you doing this?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Bitch all you want Gary, it wont change the facts that what I wrote is true.

Ferus, stop trolling this business thread! If you think a British person living in Spain can collect any social benefits, please tell me because I know my partner Gary & I would certainly like to know how......

If not, you've posted a lie that I find rude in the position I am, a working partnership, working for our income

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Axeman

We definitely still welcome and believe in the affiliate model. Good partnerships are always valued.

absolutely

[AmeliaG]

What do you consider "raking it in"?

SpookyCash had more than 6,000 affiliates in the heyday of online adult. Most of them were the beer money guys and a lot of them got treated very poorly at conventions by wannabe ballers (and real ballers who were just mean too.) The industry drove those people out to a large extent, although obviously piracy and anti-tracking surfing are factors as well.

I appreciate the affiliates we still have, but the main area I have seen a revenue decline is in affiliate-driven sales. Affiliates are contributing less to the bottom line, but, if we were to suddenly have way more affiliates in the industry, that would be good for everyone with a solid affiliate program.

Twitter is great and obviously there were no Twitter-driven joins in 2005, but Twitter requires me to use up in-house resources making someone else rich, when they are not going to give me any affiliate split for using my content.

Good affiliates provide a lot more value than that.

Using your affiliate program to trade with other programs is also nice.

[BigFurry]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What do you consider "raking it in"?

SpookyCash had more than 6,000 affiliates in the heyday of online adult. Most of them were the beer money guys and a lot of them got treated very poorly at conventions by wannabe ballers (and real ballers who were just mean too.) The industry drove those people out to a large extent, although obviously piracy and anti-tracking surfing are factors as well.

I appreciate the affiliates we still have, but the main area I have seen a revenue decline is in affiliate-driven sales. Affiliates are contributing less to the bottom line, but, if we were to suddenly have way more affiliates in the industry, that would be good for everyone with a solid affiliate program.

Twitter is great and obviously there were no Twitter-driven joins in 2005, but Twitter requires me to use up in-house resources making someone else rich, when they are not going to give me any affiliate split for using my content.

Good affiliates provide a lot more value than that.

Using your affiliate program to trade with other programs is also nice.

Well said. What I'd recommend to programs is to offer payouts by CCBILL unless you're a big program with many sites. Even if you use NATS.
NATS supports this now. The affiliates have to sign up CCBILL and enter their CCBILL ID in NATS, so that NATS can create links for them, and still track stuff.

It makes a small affiliate program much more appealing, affiliates don't have to worry about reaching minimums, programs closing, and hunting down payments. While most affiliate programs mean well, shit happens.

Or the Epoch affiliate system is good too, they also merge payments for affiliates.