your reasons for not voting for bernie?

[pimpmaster9000]

he seems like a genuinely good person, who is really interested in making things better...

why will you be not voting bernie? just out of curiosity...

[NatalieK]

I can't see people NOT actually voting for Bernie, but voting for someone else they feel is more beneficial as successor

[CaptainHowdy]

I don't vote in the US ...

[Spunky]

He has one foot in the grave as well as Hilary

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Spunky

He has one foot in the grave as well as Hilary

So did McCain. And if that guy would have died, Sarah Palin would have been president. Scary thought.

[MPGdevil]

He is 74 years old and should rather rule a retirement home that a superpower.
No guarantee he will survive two periods as president let alone one.

[Jigster715]

CIA will take him out with tainted Metamucil.

[ITraffic]

because maoism is dead and most american's don't want to work on a collective farm.

[plaster]

He has long fingers

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by plaster

He has long fingers

Unlike some....

[baddog]

Because he can't tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by baddog

Because he can't tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon.

Apparently you cant either...that was a fucking sparrow.

The reason I won't vote for bernie is because I am Libertarian and he is a Socialist

[baddog]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Apparently you cant either...that was a fucking sparrow.

The reason I won't vote for bernie is because I am Libertarian and he is a Socialist

I never saw any bird; I just saw a politician trying to convince his sheep that it might not look like a dove, it really was.

And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

I stand by my comment.

[Vendzilla]

Taking more money from people that work to give to those that don't?

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Taking more money from people that work to give to those that don't?

Two words.... corporate welfare.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by baddog

I never saw any bird; I just saw a politician trying to convince his sheep that it might not look like a dove, it really was.

And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

I stand by my comment.

https://youtu.be/HUNr0EdvCkA?t=77

he said "it doesn't look like it but this bird is a dove..."

a dove is commonly used as symbol for peace



and please don't tell me you really think he meant to call the sparrow a dove for real - and not joking about the symbolism

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

he seems like a genuinely good person, who is really interested in making things better...

why will you be not voting bernie? just out of curiosity...

I wont discuss my reason with a piece of shit like you. I'm also wondering why anybody else would.

[jsmih]

Originally Posted by **********

So did McCain. And if that guy would have died, Sarah Palin would have been president. Scary thought.

His poor judgement in choosing Palin really help sink his candidacy.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

https://youtu.be/HUNr0EdvCkA?t=77

he said "it doesn't look like it but this bird is a dove..."

a dove is commonly used as symbol for peace



and please don't tell me you really think he meant to call the sparrow a dove for real - and not joking about the symbolism

I know what a dove symbolizes; and I hear a politician saying, "don't believe your eyes, believe what I tell you."

[Paul Markham]

I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

If illegal migrants are to be legalised, they have to prove they have a clean criminal record, bought their own home, hold down a job an American is available for and not having lots of kids.

All people applying for visas to enter the US have to show they have something to offer to the country accepting them. Even holiday visas have to be tightened up on if the person can't show they have something back home to return to.

This is how it used to be. Both Conservatives and Liberals have cast common sense aside. For different reasons or the same. The long term effect is high crime rates in Cities where decent jobs, homes and social services are scarce.

This is a A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy to the citizens of the destination country.

Just because a country accepted migrants with open arms during a time when manual labour was a high demand commodity. Doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

sanders looks soft on migration which is bad for working class Americans.

[noshit]

-He's a bum who didn?t earn a steady paycheck until he was 40 years old
-Endorsed by Soros' Moveon.org
-One of his first jobs was registering people for food stamps.
-The only thing he's good at is talking ? non-stop ? about socialism and how the rich are ripping everybody off
-Started his own socialist party. Four times he ran for Vermont public office, and four times he lost ? bad
-He thinks climate change started ISIS.
-Claims that white people don't know what it's like to be poor, or live in a ghetto...
-With income of over 500k, he Is part of the same 1% that he preaches against.
-Clueless young masses are flocking to him
-He knows what he's saying is all fraud and that the super rich LOVE socialism

But wait there's more..!
It only makes sense that Democrats would vote for 'Bernie'

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[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Taking more money from people that work to give to those that don't?

So what should be the penalty for taking jobs from people who had them and sent them overseas?

Maybe the company moving the jobs overseas should give the staff a redundancy package that replaces State benefits. Saves on your taxes.

For 50 years we have seen jobs slowly more to the Far East, to be replaced with low skilled that pay crap or no jobs at all. Look at the gap between the rich and poor, middle-class income, GDP per Capita and project the graph to 2040.

The only thing that makes it look like it's working is high debt. The ability to borrow more to make up for what we don't produce ourselves only works until people say no. This was why the Banks were rescued and why the West is scared of telling China to slow down.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by baddog

Because he can't tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon.

Originally Posted by baddog

And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

Just for the record. A Dove is a type of Pigeon.

just sayin....

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[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

If illegal migrants are to be legalised, they have to prove they have a clean criminal record, bought their own home, hold down a job an American is available for and not having lots of kids.

All people applying for visas to enter the US have to show they have something to offer to the country accepting them. Even holiday visas have to be tightened up on if the person can't show they have something back home to return to.

This is how it used to be. Both Conservatives and Liberals have cast common sense aside. For different reasons or the same. The long term effect is high crime rates in Cities where decent jobs, homes and social services are scarce.

This is a A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy to the citizens of the destination country.

Just because a country accepted migrants with open arms during a time when manual labour was a high demand commodity. Doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

sanders looks soft on migration which is bad for working class Americans.

If Americans don't believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty, we should sandblast that shit off.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

If Americans don't believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty, we should sandblast that shit off.

You are correct. That BULLSHIT is just part of the old America and is no longer applicable in the modern world we live in today.

That is ancient history and most intelligent people know that and view it as such.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I wont discuss my reason with a piece of shit like you. I'm also wondering why anybody else would.

Nominated ... ^^^^^^^^^

Best post of 2016.


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[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

Two words.... corporate welfare.

Although I'm against corporate welfare, I'm also against having the highest corporate tax rate in the civilized world!

[bronco67]

Too far left. Too, too far. But I do like his passion.

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

because maoism is dead and most american's don't want to work on a collective farm.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

If illegal migrants are to be legalised, they have to prove they have a clean criminal record, bought their own home, hold down a job an American is available for and not having lots of kids.

All people applying for visas to enter the US have to show they have something to offer to the country accepting them. Even holiday visas have to be tightened up on if the person can't show they have something back home to return to.

This is how it used to be. Both Conservatives and Liberals have cast common sense aside. For different reasons or the same. The long term effect is high crime rates in Cities where decent jobs, homes and social services are scarce.

This is a A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy to the citizens of the destination country.

Just because a country accepted migrants with open arms during a time when manual labour was a high demand commodity. Doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

sanders looks soft on migration which is bad for working class Americans.

For once, I agree.

[Rochard]

I haven't paid too much attention to Bernie. Or Hillary. I've watched some of the Republican debates, but mostly just for entertainment to see what Trump says. I'll wait until I have the final two candidates before I put much thought into making any decision.

However, I have already decided that I will vote against Trump no matter what.

[NETbilling]

Im not interested in being in a 70% tax bracket...

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I haven't paid too much attention to Bernie. Or Hillary. I've watched some of the Republican debates, but mostly just for entertainment to see what Trump says. I'll wait until I have the final two candidates before I put much thought into making any decision.

However, I have already decided that I will vote against Trump no matter what.

Why would a veteran vote for Hillary?

[kane]

While I don't agree with him on many of his positions, I like that he is who he is and doesn't apologize for it. I am a registered independent so I don't get to vote in any primary. My only chance to vote for Bernie would be if he won the democratic nomination, which is not likely going to happen.

If somehow he did win the nomination then it would depend on who the opponent was. I would likely vote for Trump over him, but I would likely vote for him over Cruz.

In the end it wouldn't really matter. I live in a blue state and since we are still stuck in the past and using the outdated electoral college system voting for either major candidate doesn't really matter because my state is going to go democrat.

In the end I will do as I normally do and vote for the third party candidate with the best chance of getting 5% of the popular vote.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Why would a veteran vote for Hillary?

Hillary has actually done a lot to help veterans. It would probably be fair to say she has done more for veterans than all the other candidates combined.

I have no idea how she would be as Commander in Chief, but she clearly has stood by our veterans.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by kane

Hillary has actually done a lot to help veterans. It would probably be fair to say she has done more for veterans than all the other candidates combined.

I have no idea how she would be as Commander in Chief, but she clearly has stood by our veterans.

Most of us see the bigger picture and care more about about our country and those of us that are serving currently, than we do ourselves. That's how we ended up being veterans to begin with.

Hillary has voted for wars that we never should have gone into. She was a horrible Secretary of State... she fucked up and got more of us killed. And dont forget her famous words "What difference does it make?" and her incompetence at handling her security clearance.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Most of us see the bigger picture and care more about about our country and those of us that are serving currently, than we do ourselves. That's how we ended up being veterans to begin with.

Hillary has voted for wars that we never should have gone into. She was a horrible Secretary of State... she fucked up and got more of us killed. And dont forget her famous words "What difference does it make?" and her incompetence at handling her security clearance.

As I said, I don't know how she will do as a Commander in Chief, nor do I know everything she has done as far as putting soldiers in harms way. What I do know is that she has done a lot for those who have served.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

If Americans don't believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty, we should sandblast that shit off.

Yes. like you changed so many out of date laws and practices. Next one should be the right to bear arms.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I wont discuss my reason with a piece of shit like you. I'm also wondering why anybody else would.

so why are you not using that ignore software in your sig

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes. like you changed so many out of date laws and practices. Next one should be the right to bear arms.

Agree to disagree.

I don't think being a beacon of hope, opportunity, and freedom is something which should go out of style.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by kane

While I don't agree with him on many of his positions, I like that he is who he is and doesn't apologize for it. I am a registered independent so I don't get to vote in any primary. My only chance to vote for Bernie would be if he won the democratic nomination, which is not likely going to happen.

If somehow he did win the nomination then it would depend on who the opponent was. I would likely vote for Trump over him, but I would likely vote for him over Cruz.

In the end it wouldn't really matter. I live in a blue state and since we are still stuck in the past and using the outdated electoral college system voting for either major candidate doesn't really matter because my state is going to go democrat.

In the end I will do as I normally do and vote for the third party candidate with the best chance of getting 5% of the popular vote.

Some polls are predicting Gary Johnson to get a double digit percentage, which would be a huge game changer for 2020

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Agree to disagree.

I don't think being a beacon of hope, opportunity, and freedom is something which should go out of style.

Agree. Which is why borders have to be protected from people who will detract from the citizens of the country.

Are you willing to pay more taxes from a lower wage to support the hope, opportunity, and freedom of migrants?

Because uncontrolled migration ends up as that being a requirement. Every migrant doing an unskilled low wage is denying an American a job, home, school place, healthcare, security, etc. As we move into the 21st-century jobs will disappear. We're part of that revolution, taking offline jobs and putting them online where it requires fewer people from the consumers country.



The future.





And while those machines eliminate jobs. This is where the rest will go.



Making a 19th Century motto, redundant.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Every migrant doing an unskilled low wage is denying an American a job, home, school place, healthcare, security, etc.

it would be a fair argument if strong countries did not exploit weak countries, keeping them poor, and in turn creating immigration...

you can not have it both ways...

you can not reap the $$$ from exploitation, print money and force others to follow suit (if they do not their currency value rises against the value of the printed $$$ and their exports suffer), and drop bombs AND at the same time expect not to face the consequences...

the US and EU are the ones denying their own citizens jobs with predatory foreign policies...blaming immigrants is like complaining that water is wet...do not get in the water if you do not want to get wet...

you can not have it both ways...

parreto efficiency...


btw thats some fascinating stuff with amazons revenue vs profit chart...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

it would be a fair argument if strong countries did not exploit weak countries, keeping them poor, and in turn creating immigration...

you can not have it both ways...

you can not reap the $$$ from exploitation, print money and force others to follow suit (if they do not their currency value rises against the value of the printed $$$ and their exports suffer), and drop bombs AND at the same time expect not to face the consequences...

the US and EU are the ones denying their own citizens jobs with predatory foreign policies...blaming immigrants is like complaining that water is wet...do not get in the water if you do not want to get wet...

you can not have it both ways...

parreto efficiency...

When you find your "Fair World" be sure to tell us all and we can move there.

What you say is true. The powerful exploit the weak. The 1% of a country exploit the 80% at the bottom by bringing in more migrants from countries that can't support themselves.

The Serbs exploited the Bosnians only because the Bosnians were weak. A strong Srebrenica would have not ended up with 1,000s of weak Muslims murdered.

You're from a country that exploited the weak. So please no condemnation as if you're an innocent.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

I never saw any bird; I just saw a politician trying to convince his sheep that it might not look like a dove, it really was.

And you think if he can't differentiate between a dove and a sparrow he can tell the difference between a dove and a pigeon?

I stand by my comment.

You are dumb.. I stand by my comment.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Why would a veteran vote for Hillary?

Why wouldn't a veteran vote for Clinton? Is Clinton bad for veterans? Is Bernie good or bad for veterans? Trump? Cruz? So far as I am concerned, NONE of them have any military experience so none of them are "great" to be our commander in chief of for general support of veterans.

I do not pick and choose who I vote for because I am a veteran. I was in the military for four years and while I support the military that was a long time ago; I worked for the phone company longer but I do not pick and choose who to vote for based on what the Communications Workers Of America Union tells their people to vote.

For me, the most important thing when picking a President is the economy. The rest is just noise.

[kane]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Some polls are predicting Gary Johnson to get a double digit percentage, which would be a huge game changer for 2020

I had seen a story that he was gaining in the polls. I'll be voting or him in hopes that he can in fact get at least 5% of the popular vote. It could be the first big step towards a third party.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by kane

I had seen a story that he was gaining in the polls. I'll be voting or him in hopes that he can in fact get at least 5% of the popular vote. It could be the first big step towards a third party.

I did the same thing in the last election. Sadly he only got 3%. I dont mind doing that when there is an incumbent since I would never vote for an incumbent in the first place.

I consider this election to be too important to vote for someone with no chance of winning though. He can have my vote next time if we have an incumbent.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I did the same thing in the last election. Sadly he only got 3%. I dont mind doing that when there is an incumbent since I would never vote for an incumbent in the first place.

I consider this election to be too important to vote for someone with no chance of winning though. He can have my vote next time if we have an incumbent.

Since I live in a steadily blue state if I were to vote for either major party candidate I see it as a wasted vote. The democrat is going to win this state so voting for Hillary won't help and voting for Trump (or Cruz if he pulls off the upset) isn't going to help because there is no way the republican will win my state.

So, while I agree with you that this is a very important election, I feel like my vote will be of most use if I cast it for Johnson. However, if I lived in a state that could go either way I likely would choose one of the two main candidates.

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I would never vote for anyone soft on migration.

The Czechs probably feel the same about you. I'm sure your free cancer treatment wiped out any taxes you may have paid over the years.