VR PORN & Where The Future Is Heading !!!!

[Biddx]

Interesting video discussing the future technology of Virtual Reality (VR) & Mixed Reality (MR).

Gives examples of how the Porn Industry can take the technology forward.

I have been aware of mixed reality (MR) for a while and I feel personally the future of porn is starting to look pretty optimistic.

https://youtu.be/TyEw77sgOHQ

[Paul Markham]

VR will only make a difference if it's not on Tubes. Even if it's downloadable for free. The effect in $$$ will be minimal.

Like HD, 3D and any other format. The overall benefit is negligible. Recorded porn has had its glory days. Most of you missed it.

[Biddx]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

VR will only make a difference if it's not on Tubes. Even if it's downloadable for free. The effect in $$$ will be minimal.

Like HD, 3D and any other format. The overall benefit is negligible. Recorded porn has had its glory days. Most of you missed it.

I agree but it would not be financially sustainable for tubes to offer High Quality VR that is being repeatedly watched for free.

Yes they can offer shit low res quality like what is currently on pornhub, but the high res VR is very bandwith intensive.

My feeling is the clips that pornhub are providing are teasers, if people do wan't to experience full lenght, high res VR content they will at some point have to pay for it.

This is the industries best chance of bringing back a culture of paying customers to some extent. This is not another 3D fail, VR will shape some form of the future of the adult industry.

[INever]

If 3d and vr are already on tubes I agree with Paul. It's just a matter of time before some shnook with a brother in law who can lease/steal some fiber optic bandwidth opens a HD 3D/VR tube.

Thinking outside the box is no longer enough. You have to do your business plan while on ayahuasca.

[laragreen]

Thanks for sharing

[INever]

If you are as pretty as Lara then you don't have to think as much.
Lara

[MiamiBoyz]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Biddx

I agree but it would not be financially sustainable for tubes to offer High Quality VR that is being repeatedly watched for free.

Yes they can offer shit low res quality like what is currently on pornhub, but the high res VR is very bandwith intensive.

My feeling is the clips that pornhub are providing are teasers, if people do wan't to experience full lenght, high res VR content they will at some point have to pay for it.

This is the industries best chance of bringing back a culture of paying customers to some extent. This is not another 3D fail, VR will shape some form of the future of the adult industry.

VR porn isn't so great people have to have it jerk off. I can jerk off to SD shot on an old camera. The major difference is belief. Can the model make me believe she would fuck me, not that I would fuck her? Which most think is enough.

Will BW be so great that it it isn't affordable to give it away? I remember similar being said in 2008. And look where that got us.

Slowly but surely selling intangible goods online is shrinking, making way for sites who offer it for free. Give entertainment away for free and sell ad space off the sites.

The problem for most is they're unable to produce content good enough to keep an audience. Hence endless threads from webmasters telling everyone how to get more traffic.

So instead of learning how to go down a spiralling Tube. Study the audience, think of what they would like to watch that can be publishesd n a mainstream site. Then produce it and the traffic will come if you do the fundemental webmastwering bit.

[Biddx]

I understand a few being skeptical but time will tell

I have seen enough evidence to believe VR is going to bring a positive change to the industry.

This is early stages with VR, big money is being invested into the tech, it will just get better & better.

Sex haptics & teledildonics will make customers feel immersed within the action.

There are currently a few hurdles in place that would make giving the content away for free a big challenge.

I think people in two years time will look back and see that VR did have a positive impact on the industry.

[INever]

Do you have some charts that show adoption of the hardware by the consumer? I imagine these are headsets. Perhaps the content providers might want to give headsets away for free.

[Tubthumper]

VR won't be a leading trend in the market. In the past there have been TVs where people can watch it in 3D by using 3D glasses, but that never got popular and ended. Some adult companies put thousands of dollars into making porn for 3D TVs, and it was very difficult to make and ended up not being popular at all, and it was a complete failure.

[INever]

If porn becomes too realistic lots of guys will just say fuck it and bang a real woman.
But if I had billions to blow on this I'd give away the headsets.

[Biddx]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

VR won't be a leading trend in the market. In the past there have been TVs where people can watch it in 3D by using 3D glasses, but that never got popular and ended. Some adult companies put thousands of dollars into making porn for 3D TVs, and it was very difficult to make and ended up not being popular at all, and it was a complete failure.

3D failed not just in adult but pretty much in mainstream as well. Samsung are to stop offering 3D as a feature on their tv's going forward.

VR is a totally differen't tech to 3D.

VR will be a game changer in the mainstream world. The biggest tech companies in the world are all jumping in on VR and similar emerging techs such as "Holo" & "Mixed Reality".

To say VR won't be a leading trend is quite a strange statement to make.

What evidence have you got to support this because all the tech experts in the world are describing this as the most significant tech trend in years and are comparing it to have a similar impact to the world that mobile phones did?

[INever]

Originally Posted by Biddx

3D failed not just in adult but pretty much in mainstream as well. Samsung are to stop offering 3D as a feature on their tv's going forward.

VR is a totally differen't tech to 3D.

VR will be a game changer in the mainstream world. The biggest tech companies in the world are all jumping in on VR and similar emerging techs such as "Holo" & "Mixed Reality".

To say VR won't be a leading trend is quite a strange statement to make.

What evidence have you got to support this because all the tech experts in the world are describing this as the most significant tech trend in years and are comparing it to have a similar impact to the world that mobile phones did?

Biddx,

"Tech experts" are trying to move the needle on stock/VC financials. That's understandable.

To promote to jaded fucks like us, maybe be more specific. How many pieces of VR hardware are in consumers hands?
What are the actual projected sales numbers? How much money has been invested? Who are the actual players?

[pimpmaster9000]

there will never be enough "critical mass" of quality content online and users willing to ditch 2D + buy VR and pay...and by the time VR develops to what it should be so will bandwidth and tubes will give VR like its nothing...

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

VR won't be a leading trend in the market. In the past there have been TVs where people can watch it in 3D by using 3D glasses, but that never got popular and ended. Some adult companies put thousands of dollars into making porn for 3D TVs, and it was very difficult to make and ended up not being popular at all, and it was a complete failure.

whenever somebody compares VR to 3D I know he hasn't tried VR yet

[Biddx]

Originally Posted by INever

Biddx,

"Tech experts" are trying to move the needle on stock/VC financials. That's understandable.

To promote to jaded fucks like us, maybe be more specific. How many pieces of VR hardware are in consumers hands?
What are the actual projected sales numbers? How much money has been invested? Who are the actual players?

Still early days obviously but this is quite a good read:


Virtual reality: Porn’s next tech breakthrough?


Here is some data predicting VR to produce 25 billion in revenue by 2020:


https://www.superdataresearch.com/bl...-market-brief/

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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

VR won't be a leading trend in the market. In the past there have been TVs where people can watch it in 3D by using 3D glasses, but that never got popular and ended. Some adult companies put thousands of dollars into making porn for 3D TVs, and it was very difficult to make and ended up not being popular at all, and it was a complete failure.

Hi Tubthumper,

What you are saying is right, but then again, Most 3D technology is flawed. This about it like this: When you watch 3D on a regular screen, you are seeing 2 images at the same time. You need special glasses to split those 2 images into 2 distinct images for each eye.

It sort of "works" but not that well. The image is usually blurry, too dark or both. Plus most movies use a process to convert 2D into 3D movies in post production. It's not real 3D.

Virtual reality headsets like Oculus are different though because it delivers a separate image to each eye. If the source of each image is 2 different cameras, you see true 3D. VR headsets include tracking that lets you look around the scene too, bring a sense of emersion to the scene. This is why VR is a big difference over normal 3D.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

VR porn isn't so great people have to have it jerk off. I can jerk off to SD shot on an old camera. The major difference is belief. Can the model make me believe she would fuck me, not that I would fuck her? Which most think is enough. .

This is where the content comes in. I agree with you 100% that the model has to be believable. You can have the best VR shooting rig in the world, but if your content is terrible, your audience will tune out. But if your content is good AND its in VR, then man you have yourself a really happy, loyal customer.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

whenever somebody compares VR to 3D I know he hasn't tried VR yet

Bingo. It's a huge difference. 99% of all 3D is terrible. Even at IMAX movies: The best 3D is the IMAX 3D Intro. The movie itself has terrible 3D-ness. Throwing on an Oculus Rift, and looking around, and leaning in to the action is.... oh man.... its really fucking good.

[INever]

The Coming Horror of Virtual Reality - The New Yorker

"The woman draws close and, with a whipping motion, stabs a knife deep into your thigh. At the movie theatre, such an attack might draw, at best, a swift wince. In V.R., the terror is more palpable: a phantom pain shoots up your leg."

[marcop]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

whenever somebody compares VR to 3D I know he hasn't tried VR yet

I agree... but so far all the porn VR content I've seen has been awful, and reminiscent of the rushed, first-to-market 3D porn that IMHO helped trash the reputation of 3D in adult production.

[Paul Markham]

The take-up of VR headsets will be awesome. I expect in 5 years most homes with a reasonable income will have them. Cinemas will be offering movies in VR. Because as Madalton says the difference is awesome.

Once Tubes or pirates can offer VR porn, there will be little benefit for this industry. Who would pay for a hooker, if she was giving it away?

[Nacho Love]

VR Porn looks so amazing as 3D porn.

[Biddx]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The take-up of VR headsets will be awesome. I expect in 5 years most homes with a reasonable income will have them. Cinemas will be offering movies in VR. Because as Madalton says the difference is awesome.

Once Tubes or pirates can offer VR porn, there will be little benefit for this industry. Who would pay for a hooker, if she was giving it away?

Obviously if offered for free yes it would have a massive impact but so far there are a few factors to suggest high quality VR might have a chance against tubes.

I think the biggest niche that will benefit from VR in adult is the webcam niche. VR live cams will be a huge addition to the adult indistry.

[Biddx]

Little article stating that VR Cams could help save the porn industry with the help from Porn Hub:

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Can Live VR ‘Cam Shows’ Save The Porn Industry? Ironically, Pornhub May Help


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[Hannes]

this is gonna make the porn industry so much money though.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Biddx

Obviously if offered for free yes it would have a massive impact but so far there are a few factors to suggest high quality VR might have a chance against tubes.

I think the biggest niche that will benefit from VR in adult is the webcam niche. VR live cams will be a huge addition to the adult indistry.

How much will it cost to shoot high-quality VR. I mean the real deal not something shot on a budget?

Are we talking about $5,000 for the equipment or $50,000 or $25,000?

How much will it cost to shoot a scene, $5,000 or $25,000?

How big will the files be for the member to download 5 cents or $1 cent? This is the only costs a Tube or piracy site has. And there are piracy sites with 10GB size files on them. Even so can a Tube downsize the file size so it is profitable?

Lastly given the huge cost for the producer and the publisher to present this new format. Will affiliates still demand 50-60% plus all the support they demand? In order for the people with the costs to make a profit.

The arguments you're putting forward are the same as HD and 3D. They made no dent in the slowdown of recorded porn.

[LizardKing]

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[TheLegacy]

VR will change the face of porn as internet speeds get faster so the interface will be smooth. if anyone remembers the old movie Brainstorm where the guy puts on a head set and was seeing and feeling as though there fucking a beautiful woman. Sadly he put it on a loop and killed himself with multiple orgasms and a bad heart. Saying that - I've always said that there is no next step in porn until technology catches up and it's close.

3D movies etc just doesn't cut it unless its a blockbuster movie that everyone wants to see anyways. You can't get that in porn because there isn't a major star that can draw that power.

Eventually is a few years - touch, taste, feel mixed with visual will be available along with blinding fast internet speeds to make it possible. Tubes will fall away as the units/consoles to enter this world become cheaper.

The webcam world will have a new tool for customers as girls can charge higher rates for simulated sex - definitely going to be a new era

[Pad]

what an idiotic fallacy it is to assume that there can be only one

vr or ar won't just cancel the other out

this is totally different than a the vhs/betamax argument and i can't believe this idiot made such a stupid analogy

[Biddx]

Originally Posted by Pad

what an idiotic fallacy it is to assume that there can be only one

vr or ar won't just cancel the other out

this is totally different than a the vhs/betamax argument and i can't believe this idiot made such a stupid analogy

Think you might have misunderstood.

AR (augmented reality) is being rebranded MR (Mixed Reality).

VR will always be around, it is just the fact that it looks as though things are progressing so fast with microsoft & magic leap that it looks as though the next progression after VR will be known as mixed reality.

Hololens is trying to push the keyword "Holo" but Microsoft & Magic Leap are now calling their technology mixed reality apposed to augmented reality.

I hope this kind of makes sense.

Your right, there will always be virtual reality, it just looks like the term augmented reality is fading away to make room for mixed reality.

[Pad]

Originally Posted by Biddx

Think you might have misunderstood.

oh no, definitely not

the title of the video is "Virtual Reality vs Augmented Reality - Which Will Win?" and i watched the whole thing

i'm specifically referencing this exact quote

which format will succeed, and which will go the way of betamax

as if vr and ar, or "mixed" reality can't coexist being that they are different technologies with different applications and neither of them will just up and become obsolete in favor of the other

[Biddx]

Originally Posted by Pad

oh no, definitely not

the title of the video is "Virtual Reality vs Augmented Reality - Which Will Win?" and i watched the whole thing

i'm specifically referencing this exact quote



as if vr and ar, or "mixed" reality can't coexist being that they are different technologies with different applications and neither of them will just up and become obsolete in favor of the other

Well I do agree with you. Both are totally differen't technologies and they both will offer differen't benefits.

So totally agree that they will not make the other redundant.

I am looking forward to see what VR brings but the future of mixed reality looks very impressive if what magic leap are showcasing is anything to go by.

[INever]

The same way game ROMs made it to the sharing sites, VR files can be shared.

DRM improvement is as important as VR development if mainstream and porn content are to avoid piracy.

[Paul Markham]

You're missing the point.

Yes, porn can go VR. The headsets are not a problem, BW, Internet speed, etc. Not a problem.

The problem will be the money. Will it be free and will enough pay a membership fee for it, to make it profitable?

It's too soon to know. The problem for Tubes will be filesize v traffic sales.

Piracy has no such problem, they sell faster download speeds.

The thing for affiliates is will those that adopt VR go their own way with getting traffic? IMO It will be a long time before small sites can afford it.

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[Biddx]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You're missing the point.

Yes, porn can go VR. The headsets are not a problem, BW, Internet speed, etc. Not a problem.

The problem will be the money. Will it be free and will enough pay a membership fee for it, to make it profitable?

It's too soon to know. The problem for Tubes will be filesize v traffic sales.

Piracy has no such problem, they sell faster download speeds.

The thing for affiliates is will those that adopt VR go their own way with getting traffic? IMO It will be a long time before small sites can afford it.

Paul you are right that this is the concern.

As you stated it is not the cheapest to produce good quality VR some of the biggest companies in adult are starting to jump on board, so hopefully there is some thought process to make it harder for pirates/tubes. But yes only time will truly tell.

As for VR cams, that coupled with the clever interactive sex toys (teledildonics) & haptics I think cams & interactive live sex have a great future.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Biddx

Paul you are right that this is the concern.

As you stated it is not the cheapest to produce good quality VR some of the biggest companies in adult are starting to jump on board, so hopefully there is some thought process to make it harder for pirates/tubes. But yes only time will truly tell.

As for VR cams, that coupled with the clever interactive sex toys (teledildonics) & haptics I think cams & interactive live sex have a great future.

I can see it being a boost for the Cam industry. Streaming normal until money changes hands.

Yes, companies will "jump on board" that has nothing to do with surfers paying for it.

Which is my point. Will Gaming, cams, movies profit from it YES most definitely. The crunch for recorded porn is the free aspect v profit.