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Old 06-24-2016, 07:21 AM   #101
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Old 06-24-2016, 07:23 AM   #102
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Like they didn't vote NO for the EU Ukraine deal?


O wait...
No, he is right. Orange is really the color of pussyfication. Danes my give you little competition, frank.
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- a nationalistic emotional non-argument. Stop feeling British... start feeling European.
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Completely the opposite. Because we get so many people coming in from the EU, we can't let in as many from India, China, Africa, as we want.
It must be a sarcasm, but I do not find an angle
I mean who would want African immigrants instead of European immigrants?
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"Britain = Pussies, Well I thought they were but I jumped the gun and got it wrong"

Never mind Scott, the next Independance referendum will have the Scots back in the EU quicker than it will take the UK to actually leave it
Scotland will have to accept the Euro and whether or not Brussels wants to control their borrowing and taxation. I'm assuming they won't allow Scotland to do what Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain, Eire, did and borrow more than the Germans can afford.
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It must be a sarcasm, but I do not find an angle
I mean who would want African immigrants instead of European immigrants?
We don't. We want immigrants with the skills we need more of wherever they come from, not unskilled labour from the EU just because they live in the EU.
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It must be a sarcasm, but I do not find an angle
I mean who would want African immigrants instead of European immigrants?
An African billionaire or a Bulgarian beggar.

It's not about race. It's about qualifications.
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Well, that escalated quickly

Brexit SPREADS across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums

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Well I'm really curious how this will play out. And I'm very curious to see the actual real consequences.

No matter what the critics say, I have to say I'm personally most glad to be an EU citizen. As much as it's described as bureaucratic, and it definitely is, so is just about every political structure. And no I don't have trust in the local government to do "better" - they won't. Their track record for the past 25 years speaks volumes.

In fact I'm terrified that they would operate under their own rule because that would mean selling the country for pennies to whoever comes and strong arms them (or bribes them) next.

In a way, EU has been the only institution that was able to get anything done for actual local people, such as when they ended the endless butt fucking of local customers from the mobile operator cartel charging I guess the second highest prices in the world for ages.

But yes this is of course from the POV of a country that by most means benefits by being a part of EU (and it's not economical immigration), there's increased trade, increased infrastructure investments etc. I also personally feel much more as an European than as a national, travel frequently, do business internationally, and want to keep it that way.
Czech has done exceedingly well by being in the EU. I've been here 18 years and seen the changes.

How would you feel if a million migrants decided to live here? Most needing benefits or on low wages? Compare it with the gypsy community here.

The UK has 12% foreign born people living there. The vast majority wouldn't have got in under a points based system. House prices have skyrocketed. My old place in Essex has trebled in price, our place here has gone up 20%.

This isn't about Nationality. It's about living standards.

If all those 12% were contributing, we would never have voted to leave. It's all about skills and income levels.
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An African billionaire or a Bulgarian beggar.

It's not about race. It's about qualifications.
It is not about the exception. Random 10.000 Bulgarians or random 10.000 Africans.
It is obvious that random Bulgarians would be more skillful than random Africans.
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We don't. We want immigrants with the skills we need more of wherever they come from, not unskilled labour from the EU just because they live in the EU.
I hear that real British people do not want to do those jobs that unskilled people from other countries do.
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Marine Le Pen hardly represents entire "France". Thats like saying United States wants to wear wigs and fake tan while building a wall with Canada.
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oh that was very sturdily
Actually, yes. It was a huge No. Now after Brexit even more people will wake up.

And you do realize we as a people have a history of being Europskeptic? Remember the 2005 referendum against EU law?

That the leaders completely ignore every referendum is another story. It painfully exposes the dictatorship we live in.
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I hear that real British people do not want to do those jobs that unskilled people from other countries do.
Thats why we have Mexicans. And I thought you were hard ass Trump thumper when it comes to unskilled worker immigration.
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Thats why we have Mexicans. And I thought you were hard ass Trump thumper when it comes to unskilled worker immigration.
Lets make it clear - Trump is against ILLEGAL ( = criminals breaking US laws) immigration. Like any sane person would be. If you (like Hitlery) are for illegal immigration, you are a traitor (because by definition you welcome illegal invader who is breaking your country's laws).

As for me - I am anti globalist, I like when people live in their own countries, dislike all migrants, especially the economical types. But that is MY position, not Trump's who is FOR immigration, except ILLEGAL ( = crime) immigration.
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Actually, yes. It was a huge No. Now after Brexit even more people will wake up.

And you do realize we as a people have a history of being Europskeptic? Remember the 2005 referendum against EU law?

That the leaders completely ignore every referendum is another story. It painfully exposes the dictatorship we live in.
The No was huge but the stakes weren't... I mean... come on... a vote about a country most of us never visit or know anything about... Yeah... the Dutch have no problem to vote about others... When they need to vote for Nexit they will piss their pants...


Yes 2005...Huge mistake...You can't do a project halfway...
The reason why Dutch peolpe are Euroskeptic is because they lack a vision.
Just because it feels good doesn't make it right.

All signs are clear that people would be better off with some form of dictatorship.

Europe is fucked up too much allready... Better to just dismantle the whole operation...
with all consequences...
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Why would that be an error? If you are someone that needs a nationality to gain an identity... This could help: simply replace the one for the other...

Then a project with the potention that Europe had wouldn't have to suffer from infantile
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Why would that be an error? If you are someone that needs a nationality to gain an identity... This could help: simply replace the one for the other...

Then a project with the potention that Europe had wouldn't have to suffer from infantile
hoards of sheep.
I did not say that you need nationality to get identity.
I said that being British, Dutch or whatever trumps being European by a tremendously huge margin.
I understand that you are one of those globalist no pride in your nationality type, that is why it is an error.
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Lets make it clear - Trump is against ILLEGAL ( = criminals breaking US laws) immigration. Like any sane person would be. If you (like Hitlery) are for illegal immigration, you are a traitor (because by definition you welcome illegal invader who is breaking your country's laws).

As for me - I am anti globalist, I like when people live in their own countries, dislike all migrants, especially the economical types. But that is MY position, not Trump's who is FOR immigration, except ILLEGAL ( = crime) immigration.
48^% of US illegals came here legally and lost their status because of long processing times and bureaucracy.
It takes 15 to 20 years to process family based application. Unskilled workers do not have any legal ways to gain work authorizations unless they go to work for some giant meat processing factory as slaves.
Every Trump supporting dumb ass need to get their fact straight. Take a look at "priority dates" of immigrant applications here Visa Bulletin Priority Date Estimator
A brother applies for his sister to come to US. This is the applications they are processing now - The current priority date for this preference is:October 22, 1994

yes, 1994 .. applications filed 22 FUCKING years ago. Illegal you say? Thats what illegal!!!
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I did not say that you need nationality to get identity.
I said that being British, Dutch or whatever trumps being European by a tremendously huge margin.
I understand that you are one of those globalist no pride in your nationality type, that is why it is an error.
I'm a rationalist... I see the rest of the world scaling up in a faster changing world.
I want to stay on the wealthy side of things so I choose rationality over emotion.

This century we will see wars over water and food supplies.

We’ll undergo the same fate as the people on Easter Island,” he said. More people means fewer resources, and Fenner predicts “there will be a lot more wars over food.”

Quess who are the first to starve from hunger and thirst:

Small infantile nation states who'll have absolutely no power in geo politics.

Do you guys see where America is? Do you guys see where Russia is heading? Do you see where China is heading? Did you notice where Europe got stuck?

The naivety of all those that think they live in an unchanging Western Paradise is mind blowing.
Politics isn't about today or tomorrow... It's about the next 50 years ahead.
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Marine Le Pen hardly represents entire "France". Thats like saying United States wants to wear wigs and fake tan while building a wall with Canada.
Yes, and Nigel Farage hardly represents all of UK - no country is ever unanimous. A person who has the support of 29% of the country, as Marine Le Pen has, is credible to speak for a large part of the population.
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I hear that real British people do not want to do those jobs that unskilled people from other countries do.
Well they certainly don't want to do them for peanuts and have to live two or three families in one house just to afford a roof over their heads.

I think importing cheap labour from the East to grow our economy is not really a good long term plan, we need something better.
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Yes, and Nigel Farage hardly represents all of UK - no country is ever unanimous. A person who has the support of 29% of the country, as Marine Le Pen has, is credible to speak for a large part of the population.
Save your keystrokes. 29% isn't "France". Thats all I was trying to say. Hi title said "France, Denmark and blah blah blah"...
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Well they certainly don't want to do them for peanuts and have to live two or three families in one house just to afford a roof over their heads.
So this is the issue of raising minimal wage because it is too low to even afford your own single family place? Or is it just an excuse for those who live in estates and get benefits?
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Yes, and Nigel Farage hardly represents all of UK - no country is ever unanimous.
The media here tried to paint all 'leave' voters with the same brush as Farage the past few days and weeks.

No surprise there...
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The No was huge but the stakes weren't... I mean... come on... a vote about a country most of us never visit or know anything about... Yeah... the Dutch have no problem to vote about others... When they need to vote for Nexit they will piss their pants...


Yes 2005...Huge mistake...You can't do a project halfway...
The reason why Dutch peolpe are Euroskeptic is because they lack a vision.
Just because it feels good doesn't make it right.

All signs are clear that people would be better off with some form of dictatorship.

Europe is fucked up too much allready... Better to just dismantle the whole operation...
with all consequences...
In other words, just throw in the towel, don't resist, take it up the ass without a peep.

You gave up, luckily alot of people didn't.
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I'm a rationalist...
I'm a Copropheliac...
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In other words, just throw in the towel, don't resist, take it up the ass without a peep.

You gave up, luckily alot of people didn't.
Resist? Instead of resisting people should have voted for more integration!
If you didn't get what I was saying I will say it again: Done properly and not half way the EU would have been a huge power factor in this world that would have benefited all Europeans.

I don't resist governments... simply because it's a waste of time... You got to take care of yourself... Fuck em and don't place yourself in the position where they effect your life and income.

Oh I gave up?

Please wake up... You clearly don't like it up your ass... but... if it isn't the EU it will be your own government sticking it up your ass...
Dutch are complaining about their government 24/7/365. After each election they cry about how politicians don't keep their words and betrayed the people
I hear this shit since the 90's... remember? Wim Kok... Purple Kabinet...
And still they go out to vote every 4 years like they all suffer from long- and short-term amnesia. I don't know any other nation that likes it up the ass as much the Dutch like it...
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If you didn't get what I was saying I will say it again: Done properly and not half way the EU would have been a huge power factor in this world that would have benefited all Europeans.
That is where you do not get the point of non turncoats like yourself: for patriots their nation's sovereignty is worth MUCH MUCH more than an extra economical boost of EU federation.

Normal people do not sell that cheaply, you may take your 30 silvers...
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And still they go out to vote every 4 years like they all suffer from long- and short-term amnesia. I don't know any other nation that likes it up the ass as much the Dutch like it...
no worries, its the same everywhere :D
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That is where you do not get the point of non turncoats like yourself: for patriots their nation's sovereignty is worth MUCH MUCH more than an extra economical boost of EU federation.

Normal people do not sell that cheaply, you may take your 30 silvers...
OMG...

Patriots yes... a Patriot is an infantile breeze on low water suffering from severe identity disorder...

They are the link between apes and the Übermensch...

Grow a pair of brains... please...
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an extra economical boost of EU federation.
Who was talking about an economical boost?
I'm talking about being able to hold on to positions in a rapidly changing world...
Our wealth isn't a givin privilege...
Wars are not about moral issues... wars are about positions...

See how others are taking positions...
In 50 years there will be nothing left to be patriotic about... lol
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British food is the most disgusting crap in the world. Having said that in 6 days brassmonkey and I are going to get paid.. long azz tyme waiting
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Patriots yes... a Patriot is an infantile breeze on low water suffering from severe identity disorder...

They are the link between apes and the Übermensch...

Grow a pair of brains... please...
When I say patriot I do not mean that extreme caricature patriot, I am talking about at least 90 % of the population.
Those that are British/Dutch/etc first and Europeans as distant second.
You know, almost all of the people. Normal people. Country and nationality is great value to them.
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Old 06-24-2016, 03:56 PM   #138
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Old 06-24-2016, 03:57 PM   #139
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Look if votes to leave were allowed, the south would have left the north US. The north literally kicked the shit out of the south for voting to leave the union. So probably would Texas have left. There would be like 5 countries by now.
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Look if votes to leave were allowed, the south would have left the north US. The north literally kicked the shit out of the south for voting to leave the union. So probably would Texas have left. There would be like 5 countries by now.
You are comparing states with countries
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I've just been watching the news & it seems half the people that voted out are feeling let down & regret their decisions already! Like ffs, stop listening to propaganda & then regretting your mistakes later! Now we've all got to put up with it!
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I've just been watching the news & it seems half the people that voted out are feeling let down & regret their decisions already! Like ffs, stop listening to propaganda & then regretting your mistakes later! Now we've all got to put up with it!

How easy to media manipulate idiots, take few people on camera who are "let down" and here you have it - millions of brexit voters are feeling let down
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How easy to media manipulate idiots, take few people on camera who are "let down" and here you have it - millions of brexit voters are feeling let down
They are easily manipulated though. Leeds (where Jo Cox was murdered) voted remain, while most of the surrounding areas voted leave.

While I'm pleased with the result, I do wonder if many of the white working class actually know much about the EU. They simplified it down to immigration, because they know more about it than they do about the economy.
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They are easily manipulated though. Leeds (where Jo Cox was murdered) voted remain, while most of the surrounding areas voted leave.

While I'm pleased with the result, I do wonder if many of the white working class actually know much about the EU. They simplified it down to immigration, because they know more about it than they do about the economy.
So brexit voters were not properly informed, but bremain voters were?
Come on, why be that subjective...
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So brexit voters were not properly informed, but bremain voters were?
Come on, why be that subjective...
No that's not what I meant. The young who voted remain because "peace love and unicorns" were no better informed.

My point is that a lot of people voted on gut instinct rather than information. But maybe that's the way things are going, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.
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No that's not what I meant. The young who voted remain because "peace love and unicorns" were no better informed.

My point is that a lot of people voted on gut instinct rather than information. But maybe that's the way things are going, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.
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