Stupid questions about Western Democraty.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

64% citizens of Russian Federation vote for Putin (i'm not and must live in deep of Siberia for this now). But Putin is dictator, as you know.
How many citizens of UK vote for leader of Western World Theresa May? Who is Theresa May??? How many citizens of UK know her before today?
And how long Angela Dorothea Merkel will another leader of Western World? Merkel - 11 years, Putin - 12 years at this time. But Putin is dictator, as you remember

Looks like double standarts, no?

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

64% citizens of Russian Federation vote for Putin (i'm not and must live in deep of Siberia for this now). But Putin is dictator, as you know.
How many citizens of UK vote for leader of Western World Theresa May? Who is Theresa May??? How many citizens of UK know her before today?
And how long Angela Dorothea Merkel will another leader of Western World? Merkel - 11 years, Putin - 12 years at this time. But Putin is dictator, as you remember

Looks like double standarts, no?

Yes, it does. Hilariously, England and Germany elect representatives by majority vote, who then promptly ally with anyone into groups called coalitions to gain power, then place a prime minister, or in Merkel's case bundeskanzlerin.

In all the cases you mention above, the people have no damn say at all in who runs their country, or the European Union. Not even the leaders of European countries have any real individual say in who runs the European Union. So the country leader position is once removed and the leaders of Europe are twice removed. So those fat-ass poof-haired FIFA looking motherfuckers who run Europe have absolutely zero accountability to the common man. The only requirement seems to be the same as people who design shoes, i.e. that your first name be some other nationality than your last name, like Jean-Claude Juncker or Manolo Blahnik.

They call it nationalism when a person wants to have some say in who runs their life.

However ...... Dictators have people killed when they disagree. Do you believe Putin has people killed routinely? Who knows.

To me, whether you have 1% freedom or 2% freedom matters, but not as much as some people think. Cause nobody on this earth is free except the very top elite.

[Relic]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

[Barry-xlovecam]

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for who is dinner.

Most governments are intended to be representative republics today.

With the daily administration by either a President (as in federalist system) or by a Prime Minister (in a parliamentary government). The UK is a constitutional monarchy, many countries are. Germany is a federal republic with fair elections. There are fair elections in the UK also -- only the CT nuts contest this.

The EU has a Parliament and all the member countries participate -- the voting by the parliament is fair. Just because on nation does not agree with another nation means nothing. That is the same as one state being pissed off because another state gets more than it puts in -- there is never true equality only compromise in the US Congress. Compromise toward mutual benefit. There is no Article 51 in US law -- we are stuck with each of 50 states -- good and bad.

Official or institutionalized corruption makes this little more than an illusion in some places. Putin is an elected President -- 36% of the voters opposed him -- so there was a contested election -- I can't reliably address official corruption in Russia -- I don't live there and see things first hand.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for who is dinner.

Hahaha, that's a good one.

I never heard it before.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

Who is Theresa May??? How many citizens of UK know her before today?

I'd say most that watch the news will know her well, going back many years.... she's not an unknown or a particular threat but she will most likely be more of the same old style politics.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

64% citizens of Russian Federation vote for Putin (i'm not and must live in deep of Siberia for this now). But Putin is dictator, as you know.
How many citizens of UK vote for leader of Western World Theresa May? Who is Theresa May??? How many citizens of UK know her before today?
And how long Angela Dorothea Merkel will another leader of Western World? Merkel - 11 years, Putin - 12 years at this time. But Putin is dictator, as you remember

Looks like double standarts, no?

64% is not really much. The US president George Bush Jr. has 90% approval support in 2001 when every 9 of 10 Americans were happy to start a war against Afghanistan (ruled by Taliban created by CIA) and their former ally Iraq because... hmm... actually there was no reason and the the US people just wanted to feel the taste of blood because it was a fun to them.



So Putin sucks in comparison to the greatest president of the United States of America for all the times.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

64% citizens of Russian Federation vote for Putin (i'm not and must live in deep of Siberia for this now). But Putin is dictator, as you know.
How many citizens of UK vote for leader of Western World Theresa May? Who is Theresa May??? How many citizens of UK know her before today?
And how long Angela Dorothea Merkel will another leader of Western World? Merkel - 11 years, Putin - 12 years at this time. But Putin is dictator, as you remember

Looks like double standarts, no?

those are good examples

are you able to give an example of any of our leaders changing their constitution in order to retain power? (gerrymandering would be a good example, yet no changes to constitution , )

i kinda liked your leader until he attempted to lecture a republic on their 'lack of democracy'. which was hilarious, considering his own democratic history.

those in glass houses, yes?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

64% is not really much. ...

So Putin sucks in comparison to the greatest president of the United States of America for all the times.

That is really embarrassing in retrospect it was pretty stupid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/da...-record-levels

Almost nine out of 10 Russians approve of their president, according to survey that also highlights support for Ukraine strategy

This proves one thing -- people are pretty stupid

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

64% citizens of Russian Federation vote for Putin (i'm not and must live in deep of Siberia for this now). But Putin is dictator, as you know.
How many citizens of UK vote for leader of Western World Theresa May? Who is Theresa May??? How many citizens of UK know her before today?
And how long Angela Dorothea Merkel will another leader of Western World? Merkel - 11 years, Putin - 12 years at this time. But Putin is dictator, as you remember

Looks like double standarts, no?

look at the economy and you will immediately understand the difference between
despotism & liberalism
neofeudalism & capitalism

[Sarn]

>This proves one thing -- people are pretty stupid
you believe in honest elections? in Russia?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Sarn

>This proves one thing -- people are pretty stupid
you believe in honest elections? in Russia?

What I believe or not is immaterial.
I don't have proof one way or another.
Sputnik and RT news says it is not true -- the west is the corrupt one

I do know that the USSR was dismantled by the Russian people. Putin should remember that well

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

What I believe or not is immaterial.
I don't have proof one way or another.
Sputnik and RT news says it is not true -- the west is the corrupt one

I do know that the USSR was dismantled by the Russian people. Putin should remember that well

- are you proof it? are you proof it?
- mr.President please put out gun from my face

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This proves one thing -- people are pretty stupid

Stupid? If they approve Kosovo independence and Brexit - they are clever, but they are stupid if they support the people of Crimea? What do you smoke?

Tell me a single reason why Kosovo was good (thousands of killed and refugees - the USA at its best) and Crimea was bad (human casualties = 0 because of evil Putin)? Is that how western propaganda works?

[Barry-xlovecam]

They? ALL 90% everywhere

[baddog]

You do realize England is not a Democracy or Democraty, right? It is a constitutional monarchy.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

They? ALL 90% everywhere

When I say "they" UI mean the majority which is more tan 50% (actually about 90%). Any more questions? Your propaganda sucks, do you understand it?

Originally Posted by baddog

You do realize England is not a Democracy or Democraty, right? It is a constitutional monarchy.

What's about Kosovo? Do they have a king/queen too?

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

To me, whether you have 1% freedom or 2% freedom matters, but not as much as some people think. Cause nobody on this earth is free except the very top elite.

i am free and and not part of the top-elite.

[hdbuilder]

All I can say is that I don't understand why Poutine is so popular, yeah is a dictator and as far as I know Russia is not a democracy, still ruled by a bunch of elite guys who crushes opposition every chance they get. Still Russian people seems to be happy so why not?

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for who is dinner.

Most governments are intended to be representative republics today.

With the daily administration by either a President (as in federalist system) or by a Prime Minister (in a parliamentary government). The UK is a constitutional monarchy, many countries are. Germany is a federal republic with fair elections. There are fair elections in the UK also -- only the CT nuts contest this.

The EU has a Parliament and all the member countries participate -- the voting by the parliament is fair. Just because on nation does not agree with another nation means nothing. That is the same as one state being pissed off because another state gets more than it puts in -- there is never true equality only compromise in the US Congress. Compromise toward mutual benefit. There is no Article 51 in US law -- we are stuck with each of 50 states -- good and bad.

Official or institutionalized corruption makes this little more than an illusion in some places. Putin is an elected President -- 36% of the voters opposed him -- so there was a contested election -- I can't reliably address official corruption in Russia -- I don't live there and see things first hand.

That's pretty funny.

I bet the wolves rig the vote though.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by Sarn

>This proves one thing -- people are pretty stupid
you believe in honest elections? in Russia?

in USA?

[oppoten]

Western democracy?

I think it would be a good idea...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Jigster715

in USA?

They actually show the votes being counted

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

i am free and and not part of the top-elite.

Have you paid your taxes?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

They actually show the votes being counted

Unfortunately there is no direct voting system in the States. The voting system used there is the indirect one. For example, Al Gore got more votes than Bush Jr., but who was elected?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Yes, it does. Hilariously, England and Germany elect representatives by majority vote, who then promptly ally with anyone into groups called coalitions to gain power, then place a prime minister, or in Merkel's case bundeskanzlerin.

In all the cases you mention above, the people have no damn say at all in who runs their country, or the European Union. Not even the leaders of European countries have any real individual say in who runs the European Union. So the country leader position is once removed and the leaders of Europe are twice removed. So those fat-ass poof-haired FIFA looking motherfuckers who run Europe have absolutely zero accountability to the common man. The only requirement seems to be the same as people who design shoes, i.e. that your first name be some other nationality than your last name, like Jean-Claude Juncker or Manolo Blahnik.

They call it nationalism when a person wants to have some say in who runs their life.

However ...... Dictators have people killed when they disagree. Do you believe Putin has people killed routinely? Who knows.

To me, whether you have 1% freedom or 2% freedom matters, but not as much as some people think. Cause nobody on this earth is free except the very top elite.

The EU has no intention of being democratic. It was created undemocratically and will do its utmost not to allow any more referendums. The people will have to force them on governments.

Its eventual aim is to rule Europe from the center with very little accountability. State Govenments have already being made second class. Now the aim is to make them third class.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for who is dinner.

Most governments are intended to be representative republics today.

With the daily administration by either a President (as in federalist system) or by a Prime Minister (in a parliamentary government). The UK is a constitutional monarchy, many countries are. Germany is a federal republic with fair elections. There are fair elections in the UK also -- only the CT nuts contest this.

The EU has a Parliament and all the member countries participate -- the voting by the parliament is fair. Just because on nation does not agree with another nation means nothing. That is the same as one state being pissed off because another state gets more than it puts in -- there is never true equality only compromise in the US Congress. Compromise toward mutual benefit. There is no Article 51 in US law -- we are stuck with each of 50 states -- good and bad.

Official or institutionalized corruption makes this little more than an illusion in some places. Putin is an elected President -- 36% of the voters opposed him -- so there was a contested election -- I can't reliably address official corruption in Russia -- I don't live there and see things first hand.

Dictatorship is one wolf voting and the sheep doesn't get a say.

You know very little about the EU and how laws are created, debated or voted on. It was created undemocratically and has no intention of becoming democratic. However there is a Veto that any country can use, so yes someone can block a law they don't like. The problem is the mindset of those voting. Until recently they were career politicians who believe everything would be fine. Research how the Euro was created.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by baddog

You do realize England is not a Democracy or Democraty, right? It is a constitutional monarchy.

The Queen is a figurehead, she has very little real power. The Royal's job is to be tourist attractions.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Jigster715

in USA?

in the US it is at least fun

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The EU has no intention of being democratic. It was created undemocratically and will do its utmost not to allow any more referendums. The people will have to force them on governments.

Its eventual aim is to rule Europe from the center with very little accountability. State Govenments have already being made second class. Now the aim is to make them third class.

There it is

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Have you paid your taxes?

Taxes, what is that? I travel fulltime around the world for some years now...
Stay a few months in every country i visit.
I pay the % that needed in the country my company is registered.
And still not tired of travelling to more countries.

If people want to be free, leave your country and start exploring the world.
There are more interestig things than talk politics for the rest of your life, complaining.
And many many people are doing the same and meet everywhere around the globe.
get out of your comfort zone and see that you are free, if you want.
I don't see me living in Europe the coming years, maybe Portugal in the end.
But first i must go there and see how it is like. Than my freedom is gone.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Taxes, what is that? I travel fulltime around the world for some years now...
Stay a few months in every country i visit.
I pay the % that needed in the country my company is registered.
And still not tired of travelling to more countries.

If people want to be free, leave your country and start exploring the world.
There are more interestig things than talk politics for the rest of your life, complaining.
And many many people are doing the same and meet everywhere around the globe.
get out of your comfort zone and see that you are free, if you want.
I don't see me living in Europe the coming years, maybe Portugal in the end.
But first i must go there and see how it is like. Than my freedom is gone.

Taxes by force = not free. Contribution by choice = Free.

I do travel the world; I've been on 4 continents this year. I know quite a bit about banking. Being able to travel is nice, but not free. Imagine yourself with family, what would you do then?