If you had a few paysites how would you promote them today?

[Makaveli]

I have a couple of paysites that have been sitting collecting dust for the last few years. Im going to update the tours and get them back online. The content is niche bit is non exclusive. How would go about getting some traffic to them in todays market? Not looking to make millions, but a few hundred a month each site would be nice. Do TGP galleries still hold some value?

[Makaveli]

Any advice for an old timer?

[Mediamix]

Do you think people are going to give away their secrets in 2016?

[Konda]

Buy targeted traffic on TrafficJunky, it is really the easiest way to buy good traffic and make a decent ROI

[Makaveli]

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Do you think people are going to give away their secrets in 2016?

No need to give away the farm here kid. Just looking for a nudge in the right direction.

[plaster]

Upload to xhamster. Create a username for each site. Not sure if they became watermark nazis yet or not. Upload full vids for more views.

[Ross]

First of all I'd spend some time re-doing all your content, re-picking your tour images, touch them up, make them look HD (if they are not) and get them in as best shape as possible to present on the tour. Spend good money on a real designer to make you a 2016 relevant tour, tube style works but you will need a couple of different ones to test which is the best combination for different kinds of traffic.

Second I'd hire a real good ad designer to find the little bits of gold in each scene that you can cut out and use as 1-3 sec gif. Have him make you all relevant tube sizes so that you are armed with at least 2 ads per scene you own. If your budget doesnt stetch to someone yet then try it yourself to start off.

Third, cut tube clips, 8-12 mins in length, keep the quality high, showcase your stuff in its best light and get upload accounts at all the big tubes. Reach out to them, ask for feedback and learn the habits of what other guys are doing. Submit your clips to the tubes and get your ad under your videos, more if possible but get what you can. Brand your content too, your site name is everything, make sure your watermarks are clear and readable.

Fourth, when you have some revenue coming in and you are motivated, start to buy traffic, this is when you will need those ads I talked about in step 2, put them to work and see what works best. Test them with all your tour pages to see what combination converts best for you and when you find it, hammer it with traffic to get paying members. Make sure you members area upsells are on point, just because someone is in the door doesn't mean they wont spend more with you. Don't break your promises either. If you state on your tour there will be no ads inside once they pay, don't put ads inside once a guy has paid.

There's a lot more to it than that but there is a few things for you to chew over. Good luck man.

[Makaveli]

Good read there Ross. Many thanks.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Konda

Buy targeted traffic on TrafficJunky, it is really the easiest way to buy good traffic and make a decent ROI

Not to a paysite.

Also for Ross: do not buy traffic and send it to a paysite.

UNLESS that paysite has such unique content that it is worth it. Being old tours (and content) my guess would be no. So don't waste your money there.

Ross' other points tho are spot on. If you spend money on the Tours (and possibly Members Areas) then it should pay off - over time.

Best of luck!!

[wehateporn]

Sell them perhaps

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

I get great business from my blog - what's better than free?

[Ross]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Not to a paysite.

Also for Ross: do not buy traffic and send it to a paysite.

Do not ignore my advice in favor of this one. Try it for yourself, you may lose a few hundred bucks testing but you could possibly earn many many times more than that if it works. Risk vs Reward.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Ross

Do not ignore my advice in favor of this one. Try it for yourself, you may lose a few hundred bucks testing but you could possibly earn many many times more than that if it works. Risk vs Reward.

I totally agree.

[Roald]

hit up Paul Markham.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Why Your Unique Value Proposition Sucks and How to Fix It
UVP -- Not easy to do with a commoditized product like porn but there are niche markets were there is money to be made.
I would create a traffic funnel to relevant well constructed landing pages.

If your content has not been distributed on the tubes -- all the better.
All video should be streamed MPEG-Dash EME HTTPS so it cannot be jacked.

Don't waste your time feeding the tubes just buy network traffic as cheap as you can -- target countries known to buy. But these are not limited to only the countries that bought 10 years ago. A lot depends on your niche. Asian girls -- Asian traffic Japan, South Korea, Singapore, even some filtered China. Get creative create a CTA touchpoint ( call to action (or, a reason to buy)) save 1/3 when you buy a 3 month subscription -- when all the money is yours (no affiliate involved). Don't be afraid to be different when you have a UVP -- you are on your own playing field in that customer's mind.

Use Twitter for social media funnels and Facebook -- very carefully -- for link and traffic authority. Even do an adult Blogger utilize the traffic on that domain. Don't spend too much effort on social media as you are always in the edge of a TOS termination.

We do some of these things but on our scale it is difficult to do all these things properly. Select a few that work for you and run with them.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Roald

hit up Paul Markham.

I was so gonna say that! LOL

Originally Posted by Ross

Do not ignore my advice in favor of this one. Try it for yourself, you may lose a few hundred bucks testing but you could possibly earn many many times more than that if it works. Risk vs Reward.

I have tested (and lost many more than a few hundred) so I am talking from experience. But even so I am willing to change my mind on this subject if you can show me 3 paysites that buy ads on tubes or other outlets.

(But as with anything, give it a try!)

[kane]

Since it is niche content you have specific types of people looking for it. Personally, I would start a blog for each site and make unique interesting posts where you have cool posts that have a few pics and or video clips in them and tell unique stories about the scenes. Google likes unique content so if you can write some cool stuff you could be rewarded. Promote those blogs like you would any other free site and use them to send traffic to the paysites.

There are still some TGPs and link lists around, but I don't really know which are worth submitting to, but it could be worth looking into.

If the content is cool you could edit some promo clips and upload them to some tubes.

[Makaveli]

Some good stuff. Thanks guys.

[Makaveli]

Helpful people on GFY in 2016. Who would have thought.

[gnawledge]

Yeah I agree to making accounts and uploading samples to major tubes. TGP, half priced months... I think you'll end up spending time and money sending the wrong traffic to your sites.

I see a lot of see my gf ads everywhere so someone must be doing something right.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I was so gonna say that! LOL



I have tested (and lost many more than a few hundred) so I am talking from experience. But even so I am willing to change my mind on this subject if you can show me 3 paysites that buy ads on tubes or other outlets.

(But as with anything, give it a try!)

I don't think there is much point in showing you because you will just respond with reasoning as to why they do it or some other nonesense to back up your own findings. I sell 600 million ad impressions per day, I have nothing to gain from lying about this, I am not pitching the OP to come buy from me, I merely stopped by to offer him 4 quick points on how he can generate some $ for himself. Most of which was helpful tips that don't involve buying traffic. My main point to him was even about how to generate free traffic.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Not to a paysite.

Also for Ross: do not buy traffic and send it to a paysite.

UNLESS that paysite has such unique content that it is worth it. Being old tours (and content) my guess would be no. So don't waste your money there.

Ross' other points tho are spot on. If you spend money on the Tours (and possibly Members Areas) then it should pay off - over time.

Best of luck!!

Question for you: If you DO have a pay site, where do you suggest owners buy targeted traffic from?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Ross

I don't think there is much point in showing you because you will just respond with reasoning as to why they do it or some other nonesense to back up your own findings. I sell 600 million ad impressions per day, I have nothing to gain from lying about this, I am not pitching the OP to come buy from me, I merely stopped by to offer him 4 quick points on how he can generate some $ for himself. Most of which was helpful tips that don't involve buying traffic. My main point to him was even about how to generate free traffic.

Hey Ross, check your email.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Ross

I don't think there is much point in showing you because you will just respond with reasoning as to why they do it or some other nonesense to back up your own findings. I sell 600 million ad impressions per day, I have nothing to gain from lying about this, I am not pitching the OP to come buy from me, I merely stopped by to offer him 4 quick points on how he can generate some $ for himself. Most of which was helpful tips that don't involve buying traffic. My main point to him was even about how to generate free traffic.

It is almost as if you specialized in driving traffic for more than a decade now to many many paysites and made good money doing it.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I am willing to change my mind on this subject if you can show me 3 paysites that buy ads on tubes

Clicked around Pornhub, Xhamster, Xvideos, and Porn.com for a minute.

18 And Abused
Punish Tube
Watch My GF
Legal Porno

Doesn't include Manwin owned properties like Mofos, Brazzers, RK, Digital Playground (although Dont Break Me was on Xvideos as well)

[Ross]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Clicked around Pornhub, Xhamster, Xvideos, and Porn.com for a minute.

18 And Abused
Punish Tube
Watch My GF
Legal Porno

Doesn't include Manwin owned properties like Mofos, Brazzers, RK, Digital Playground (although Dont Break Me was on Xvideos as well)

Not to mention Paper Street Cash are some of the biggest buyers for their entire paysite network as well, which is at least 5 sites, more like 10.

But yeah, no one should ever buy traffic for their paysite

[Jigster715]

I wouldn't buy traffic from a company currently being sued for collusion and theft of IP with their tube site mentioned in this thread.
The balls of Ottawa thieves never cease to amaze us.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Ross

Not to mention Paper Street Cash are some of the biggest buyers for their entire paysite network as well, which is at least 5 sites, more like 10.

But yeah, no one should ever buy traffic for their paysite

PSC and WMGF are to be seen everywhere indeed.

Of course media buying is kind of like an art, these guys have dedicated people doing this testing and tweaking all the time. Not something I'd suggest to a beginner.

A possibility nonetheless

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Ross

Not to mention Paper Street Cash are some of the biggest buyers for their entire paysite network as well, which is at least 5 sites, more like 10.

I thought so, they must not be targeting Canada

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Ross

I don't think there is much point in showing you because you will just respond with reasoning as to why they do it or some other nonesense to back up your own findings. I sell 600 million ad impressions per day, I have nothing to gain from lying about this, I am not pitching the OP to come buy from me, I merely stopped by to offer him 4 quick points on how he can generate some $ for himself. Most of which was helpful tips that don't involve buying traffic. My main point to him was even about how to generate free traffic.

I wasn't dissing on you or being snarky. My point was 'buying traffic' as opposed to 'media buys' which, to me, are two different things. 'Buying traffic' often means buying circle jerk garbage traffic that won't convert for shit. 'Media buys" is buying ad space on an established website. Again, two different things (to me).

So buying NTV ads? Great! Buying PPC traffic? Not so much.
PS: Show me some ad possibilities and we can discuss ads. I have a budget.

Originally Posted by **********

Question for you: If you DO have a pay site, where do you suggest owners buy targeted traffic from?

As said above I would buy (and have bought) targeted NTV ads on tubes I submit videos to via their Content Partner Programs. This works very well after a lot of testing.

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Clicked around Pornhub, Xhamster, Xvideos, and Porn.com for a minute.

18 And Abused
Punish Tube
Watch My GF
Legal Porno

Doesn't include Manwin owned properties like Mofos, Brazzers, RK, Digital Playground (although Dont Break Me was on Xvideos as well)

Manwin properties aside there really is a small percentage of paysites 'advertising'. The ones you mentioned include a tube pay site (natural fit?). But a handful of paysites advertising does not mean EVERY paysite should buy advertising.

As Roald said, if you have an experienced Media Buyer who knows what they are doing (and have a lot of resources since these ad campaigns can cost many thousands) you can be profitable. But for someone just starting a paysite (or trying to revive one)? No way.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

My point was 'buying traffic' as opposed to 'media buys' which, to me, are two different things. 'Buying traffic' often means buying circle jerk garbage traffic that won't convert for shit. 'Media buys" is buying ad space on an established website. Again, two different things (to me).

I can't help but think you're in the minority here.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Makaveli

I have a couple of paysites that have been sitting collecting dust for the last few years. Im going to update the tours and get them back online. The content is niche bit is non exclusive. How would go about getting some traffic to them in todays market? Not looking to make millions, but a few hundred a month each site would be nice. Do TGP galleries still hold some value?

We too have a lot of old content from a couple of sites we closed down, so now, with ModelCentro, we're going to revamp & update them onto the new sites too!

In the meantime, you want social media, affiliates & an modern tour & database.

You can start with both twitter & facebook, also a blog, to show your daily or weekly updates. Get some fhgs to send out to forums & provide affiliates with, then update some of those fhgs on tgps, yes, they still work, thehun, shemp etc.

Good luck & hope you do well in your new, well old & revamped venture

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Do you think people are going to give away their secrets in 2016?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I can't help but think you're in the minority here.

Probably. LOL Also, when I say 'media buys' I also meant going directly to the site and striking an ad deal not going through a broker like Juicy Ads or Traffic Force. Maybe this is all just semantics but there is a difference between buying ad spots and buying re-directed traffic.

But I would absolutely be interested in learning more and trying out some strategies.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Probably. LOL Also, when I say 'media buys' I also meant going directly to the site and striking an ad deal not going through a broker...

The right idea but it takes a lot of work.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The right idea but it takes a lot of work.

Well that is what I am saying. I am not trying to be argumentative here so sorry if that is how I am coming across. It does take skill and a bit of trial-and-error to be successful at traffic buying (or media buys, or the same thing). I was just advising that buying traffic should not be one of the first things someone trying to revive dead paysites should be doing, that's all.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Do you think people are going to give away their secrets in 2016?

However, I'm retired and don't need the money. It depends on the content and how much you have.

Unless the content is great buying traffic won't work and will cost a lot of money.

Unless it's very good content, do what Porn Nerd does. Bundle it all together and sell it cheap. Or give it to him for a profit share deal, which won't be great and send traffic to him as an affiliate, again not a big earner.

Or put it on Adult Centro and C4S AD makes me $500 a month on average.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

However, I'm retired and don't need the money. It depends on the content and how much you have.

Unless the content is great buying traffic won't work and will cost a lot of money.

Unless it's very good content, do what Porn Nerd does. Bundle it all together and sell it cheap. Or give it to him for a profit share deal, which won't be great and send traffic to him as an affiliate, again not a big earner.

Or put it on Adult Centro and C4S AD makes me $500 a month on average.

We do ok on C4S, and it's easy & simple to update, a bit of text & everything's done online when you've uploaded the file. We find AC's a lot of work when updating. Wishing they had similar backend system to c4s instead of updating thumbs & other bits & pieces, amazed they haven't got the system working like MC, where thumbs are generated from the movie file

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

However, I'm retired and don't need the money. It depends on the content and how much you have.

Unless the content is great buying traffic won't work and will cost a lot of money.

Unless it's very good content, do what Porn Nerd does. Bundle it all together and sell it cheap. Or give it to him for a profit share deal, which won't be great and send traffic to him as an affiliate, again not a big earner.

Or put it on Adult Centro and C4S AD makes me $500 a month on average.

Stop telling people I do not make money, have bad content or my partners do not make a lot of money asshat. I do not sell "cheap". I sell quality for added value, something you have absolutely NO CLUE about. So STFU.

God what a fucking fool you are Paul.

[Makaveli]

Great thread.

[Konda]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Clicked around Pornhub, Xhamster, Xvideos, and Porn.com for a minute.

18 And Abused
Punish Tube
Watch My GF
Legal Porno

Doesn't include Manwin owned properties like Mofos, Brazzers, RK, Digital Playground (although Dont Break Me was on Xvideos as well)

Also lots of paysites are buying on Asian geos, like javhd

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Well that is what I am saying. I am not trying to be argumentative here so sorry if that is how I am coming across. It does take skill and a bit of trial-and-error to be successful at traffic buying (or media buys, or the same thing). I was just advising that buying traffic should not be one of the first things someone trying to revive dead paysites should be doing, that's all.

I have 2 people doing that a good part of the day for the last 2 months and some support staff assisting. The results so far are less than "spectacular." Like looking for needles in a haystack -- but I think there are deals to be made. We have made contacts and they have made us offers.

you can expect big traffic from this, up to 100K daily.
Price is fixed, USD 6000/month.

We don't do CPA but I recommend a right side 120x60 National Banner. The cost is only $400/month or $800/3 months.

We offer all our banners spots at $1 CPM but we can discuss a CPC as well.

We have both desktop and mobile traffic. However all mobile is sold 100% Geo?s and we cannot separate verticals. This is simply due to the fact that all traffic is Members area and from selected countries.

I have plenty of ad zones with about 50,000 to 400,000 impressions a day. Prices start at $.60/CPM inside our dating members area. Usually a 160x600 is about $.60-$.75.

Popunders are already sold
Sure, the top sidebar banner is $50 / month and the same price for the top banner under the header.

No pop unders
Banners are 1 dollar CPM
I get 2 million uniques a month

Notice how infrequently "you" is used in the offers. I, we -- me-me -- just an observation from an old salesman

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Stop telling people I do not make money, have bad content or my partners do not make a lot of money asshat. I do not sell "cheap". I sell quality for added value, something you have absolutely NO CLUE about. So STFU.

God what a fucking fool you are Paul.

I was just advising that buying traffic should not be one of the first things someone trying to revive dead paysites should be doing, that's all.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

We do ok on C4S, and it's easy & simple to update, a bit of text & everything's done online when you've uploaded the file. We find AC's a lot of work when updating. Wishing they had similar backend system to c4s instead of updating thumbs & other bits & pieces, amazed they haven't got the system working like MC, where thumbs are generated from the movie file

Do you do anything similar to this girl? https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...ng-videos.html

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Stop telling people I do not make money, have bad content or my partners do not make a lot of money asshat. I do not sell "cheap". I sell quality for added value, something you have absolutely NO CLUE about. So STFU.

God what a fucking fool you are Paul.

other than Paul not saying your content was shit, you sound like me or Gary posting in reaction from a nasty post from DVtimes or how Damian used to troll Gary...

something to think about


I could say, from past knowledge, don't rise to it PN x

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do you do anything similar to this girl? https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...ng-videos.html

I see this the other day...

yes, looks like I'm going to have to start an instagram page, looks like a great social media tool

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

other than Paul not saying your content was shit, you sound like me or Gary posting in reaction from a nasty post from DVtimes or how Damian used to troll Gary...

something to think about


I could say, from past knowledge, don't rise to it PN x

HA a very excellent point.