US warns Syria aid convoy strike could end Russia deal

[brassmonkey]

United Nations (United States) (AFP) - A deadly air strike on a UN aid convoy by Syrian or Russian planes calls into question Moscow's will to try to salvage a ceasefire, the United States said Monday.

The attack could only have been carried out by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime or his Russian allies and Moscow must take responsibility either way, US officials said.

"The United States is outraged by reports that a humanitarian aid convoy was bombed near Aleppo today," State Department spokesman John Kirby said.

Last week, the United States was forced to apologize after it weakened the ceasefire by bombing Syrian troops, but Washington said it had been accidental.

US officials said there could be no similar excuse from Russia for the targeting of non-combatant aid workers.

"The destination of this convoy was known to the Syrian regime and the Russian Federation," Kirby said.

"And yet these aid workers were killed in their attempt to provide relief to the Syrian people," he added.

"Given the egregious violation of the cessation of hostilities we will reassess the future prospects for cooperation with Russia."

Senior US officials went further, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"The Russians have the responsibility to refrain from taking such actions themselves, but they also have the responsibility to keep the regime from doing it," one said.

"So either way, the burden is on the Russians to demonstrate quickly and in a significant way that they are committed to this process," the official added.

US Secretary of State John Kerry will try to speak to Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov before Tuesday's meeting of the International Syria Support Group (ISSG).

But if Moscow is not serious about re-committing to what had been a seven-day lull in fighting, there may be no peace process to salvage, the senior official warned.

"Our sense is that what happened today has dealt a serious blow to our efforts to bring peace to Syria," another US official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity.

Russia and the United States agreed a deal during talks in Geneva earlier this month to pressure both Moscow's ally Assad and US-backed rebels to obey a ceasefire.

If the truce had lasted a week, the US and Russian militaries were to set up a joint targeting cell to hunt jihadist groups not party to the cessation of hostilities.

But Assad's forces continued to block shipments of aid to rebel-held areas, and on Monday declared an end to the truce, accusing the opposition of breaking it in turn.

Then the United Nations and monitors complained that a UN and Red Crescent aid convoy had been attacked, destroying at least 18 trucks and leaving 12 aid workers dead.

Kerry, Lavrov and ministers from the 23-nation ISSG are to meet Tuesday alongside the UN General Assembly in New York to decide what steps to take next for peace.

Kerry had earlier indicated that he wants to press on with the Russian-US process, but fellow US officials sounded more downbeat after the strike on the convoy.

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[Paul Markham]

Western Governments need to realise that getting involved in tribal warfare doesn't work.

It's like they haven't learned an obvious lesson.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Western Governments need to realise that getting involved in tribal warfare doesn't work.

It's like they haven't learned an obvious lesson.

they will learn or die

[femdomdestiny]

Convoy in the middle of the night without approval?

Most of the people probably don't remember "humanitarian" help to Muslims in Tuzla or how in Kosovo, terrorist Ramush Haradinaj was laughing to Serbs explaining,that they got supplies through "humanitarian" help.

But I must admit, that was the fast and good organisation only a day after what happened yesterday.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Convoy in the middle of the night without approval?

Most of the people probably don't remember "humanitarian" help to Muslims in Tuzla or how in Kosovo, terrorist Ramush Haradinaj was laughing to Serbs explaining,that they got supplies through "humanitarian" help.

But I must admit, that was the fast and good organisation only a day after what happened yesterday.

they travel at night to avoid attacks. roads are clear

[Sarn]

ceasefire violated the US a few days ago = war continued.
what is their surprise?
but when the war continue no secure way to send convoys through the contact line.

john kerry spent 15 hours for make ceasefire - who fuck up this deal - it other question.
apparently the US president can not command own army.

[nico-t]

maybe the US should get the fuck out of there. The plan to overthrow Assad to replace with another one of US governments puppets has failed miserably... ISIS is a side mission for them and very convenient to stay in the region, getting rid of Assad is still their primary objective.

The Screeching Kettle: Six reasons the West wants Assad to GTFO

[directfiesta]

During the so-called cease fire , the convoy never left as the Syrian Governement had a clause that they were to garantee the safety of the convoy; they could not give that garantee as the road was shelled by " rebets " and the gov. troops in response .

Cease fire is over, safety is not present , but they still go ahead ...

As for the identity of the attackers, I am sceptic ... could be the Syrian airforce , but could also be Israel or even the " coalition " planes .... would not be a first ...

As for the outrage and the blaming, Kerry should shut up and explain the bombing of hospitals by the US if he is so outraged ...

[femdomdestiny]

Russian and Syrian warplanes did not launch airstrikes on an aid convoy that was attacked en route to Aleppo, the Russian Defense Ministry said. The ministry added that only the militants who control the area had information regarding the location of the convoy.

https://www.rt.com/news/359990-russi...aleppo-strike/

They have to try. It worked before with Markale market in Sarajevo, and Racak "massacre " in Kosovo. Problem is that now they have Ruskies breathing behind their necks.

[Serge Litehead]

US and Russia as so hypocritical. they are basically fighting among themselves on a foreign soil, fueling and supplying locals do the same thing for them while destroying lives and killing innocent people living there.

neither side cares about peace.
all is cared about is advancing and testing their respective military's tech.

WTF

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by holograph

US and Russia as so hypocritical. they are basically fighting among themselves on a foreign soil, fueling and supplying locals do the same thing for them while destroying lives and killing innocent people living there.

neither side cares about peace.
all is cared about is advancing and testing their respective military's tech.

WTF

it's all because of the differences in the interpretation of the Koran!))

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by nico-t

maybe the US should get the fuck out of there. The plan to overthrow Assad to replace with another one of US governments puppets has failed miserably... ISIS is a side mission for them and very convenient to stay in the region, getting rid of Assad is still their primary objective.

The Screeching Kettle: Six reasons the West wants Assad to GTFO

how is that different than what Russia wants at the end of the day?

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Western Governments need to realise that getting involved in tribal warfare doesn't work.

It's like they haven't learned an obvious lesson.

First you need to determine the motives of getting involved...
Only then you would know if it worked or not

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Sarn

ceasefire violated the US a few days ago = war continued.
what is their surprise?
but when the war continue no secure way to send convoys through the contact line.

john kerry spent 15 hours for make ceasefire - who fuck up this deal - it other question.
apparently the US president can not command own army.

There hasn't been a ceasefire. Asad was killing civilians before the US bombed that base.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by crockett

Asad was killing civilians before the US bombed that base.

Educate yourself parrot

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by crockett

There hasn't been a ceasefire. Asad was killing civilians before the US bombed that base.

al-nusra it civilians or isis ?

[Sarn]

humanitarian machine gun - video from drone

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by holograph

US and Russia as so hypocritical. they are basically fighting among themselves on a foreign soil, fueling and supplying locals do the same thing for them while destroying lives and killing innocent people living there.

Indeed

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Indeed

75 years without full-scale wars in Europe.
who provided it?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

75 years without full-scale wars in Europe.
who provided it?

Post in Russian please, my brain is about to explode when I'm trying to read your abracadabra.

[Relic]

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

how is that different than what Russia wants at the end of the day?

it's not, however Russia already has a deal with Assad, they want him to stay put. And it is proven that these muslim countries can only be ran by a dictator or it will become chaos - hence the chaos it has caused already.
If US and NATO had any actual interest in stabilizing the region and beating ISIS (since they always sell themselves to us as the only good guys), they would have teamed up with Assad. But their interests are an Assad free Syria to replace him with someone who wants to work together with them, this is more important than uniting with the present effective forces, killing off ISIS, stopping the migration flow.

Those last 3 things are not in their interest at all. The other big player is the EU, their interests are cheap labor, divide societies, create fear (=control) and importing establishment voters.
A small example of another divide agenda is BLM in the US. Just like Soros is funding pro immigration groups here in Europe for the 'divide & conquer' tactic, he is also funding BLM to divide the US.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Post in Russian please, my brain is about to explode when I'm trying to read your abracadabra.

it will be impolite

Originally Posted by Relic

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Sarn

al-nusra it civilians or isis ?

Sorry buddy but 10 year old little girls are not isis.. Just like people in Ukraine are not Nazis..

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by crockett

Sorry buddy but 10 year old little girls are not isis.. Just like people in Ukraine are not Nazis..

10 years old girl - not are little for islam.

[klinton]

this +
a) there wouldnt be the whole country destroyed
b) there wouldnt be few hundred thousands people dead and milions displaced, its GREAT TRAGEDY - real sadness
c) there wouldnt be a wave of migrants coming into Europe on such scale - while Europe has already its own problems
d) I dont recall Assad killing others because they were Christians, Yazidis, Sunnis, Shias or Kurds. it didnt matter who they were, they just had to not cause problems and obey his government...peaceful life in a country that wasnt in THAT BAD shape, while now is in ruins
e) I dont recall Assad starting wars with other countries.......

Originally Posted by nico-t

it's not, however Russia already has a deal with Assad, they want him to stay put. And it is proven that these muslim countries can only be ran by a dictator or it will become chaos - hence the chaos it has caused already.
If US and NATO had any actual interest in stabilizing the region and beating ISIS (since they always sell themselves to us as the only good guys), they would have teamed up with Assad. But their interests are an Assad free Syria to replace him with someone who wants to work together with them, this is more important than uniting with the present effective forces, killing off ISIS, stopping the migration flow.

Those last 3 things are not in their interest at all. The other big player is the EU, their interests are cheap labor, divide societies, create fear (=control) and importing establishment voters.
A small example of another divide agenda is BLM in the US. Just like Soros is funding pro immigration groups here in Europe for the 'divide & conquer' tactic, he is also funding BLM to divide the US.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by klinton

this +
a) there wouldnt be the whole country destroyed
b) there wouldnt be few hundred thousands people dead and milions displaced, its GREAT TRAGEDY - real sadness
c) there wouldnt be a wave of migrants coming into Europe on such scale - while Europe has already its own problems
d) I dont recall Assad killing others because they were Christians, Yazidis, Sunnis, Shias or Kurds. it didnt matter who they were, they just had to not cause problems and obey his government...peaceful life in a country that wasnt in THAT BAD shape, while now is in ruins
e) I dont recall Assad starting wars with other countries.......

2 cents:
this +

as someone whose country was in war in previous decades, there are huge side effects that no one is counting. Devastated generations of people and suffering that can't be measured properly. The region was peaceful, just like many other in the world until democracy concept knocked on their doors. Getting through war is leaving terrible marks on people who survive, on so many levels. And war there is brutal. Everything was better than war, especially to live in a Muslim country that was accepting differences. Who gives a shit if he is a dictator? What is the definition of dictator at the end. Ultimate bullshit. Different historical conditions, different religion,mentality. They don't need western dmocracy and there is no reason to force them into that....of course except https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar-Turkey_pipeline

While we are all looking at that part of the globe, anyone here heard that Muslims from Bosnia threatened that they will attack Republic Of Srpska and crush it in 15 days? That are fresh news. That will fire up whole region and kaboom...we will have war in Europe again.

FM Dacic: There is intent to destroy Serb entity by war - Politics - on B92.net

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Relic

thx for those great memories ...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Sarn

humanitarian machine gun - video from drone

Ya, the "rebels" using the convoy as cover ....

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Sarn

humanitarian machine gun - video from drone

would you drive the stretch with no weapon?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Relic

Now go tell me why I knew that someone will post this song here? ;)

[Relic]

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

would you drive the stretch with no weapon?

if i go under UN mission - yes.

[klinton]

exactly, i forgot about it...
hopefully they will recover
btw. there was an iraq-iran war near syria and it lasted 8 years...in 80s

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

2 cents:
this +

as someone whose country was in war in previous decades, there are huge side effects that no one is counting. Devastated generations of people and suffering that can't be measured properly. The region was peaceful, just like many other in the world until democracy concept knocked on their doors. Getting through war is leaving terrible marks on people who survive, on so many levels. And war there is brutal. Everything was better than war, especially to live in a Muslim country that was accepting differences. Who gives a shit if he is a dictator? What is the definition of dictator at the end. Ultimate bullshit. Different historical conditions, different religion,mentality. They don't need western dmocracy and there is no reason to force them into that....of course except https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar-Turkey_pipeline