The future of affiliates

[Paul Markham]

Affiliates at more than 10% are going to be hard pressed in the future. The economics simply won't stack up.

Ads are easier to buy, better to monitor and more profitable. Whether it's on a blog like a newspaper, free entertainment sites like Pornhub or Youtube or search engine. Why pay 1,000s of people who the sponsor has no control over when it can be done better and cheaper in-house?

Adding to the problem is the will of the people and the content most can offer. Who here can compete with Youtube, Google, or blogs like The Huffington Post?

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No matter how good a person is at SEO. the deciding factor is content. either the people landing stop, stay, bookmark and return ad sales won't mean a damn.

Also, the move towards apps like Tinder and Grinder will decimate the dating model like Tubes decimated the recorded porn business. Live cam will be ruled by companies delivering what clients want. Chaturbate is proving this. It doesn't matter if CB and MFC aren't making the money to reflect the traffic numbers. The traffic is there and not spending money at other sites. Like Pornhub, Tinder and Huffington post who make less per consumer than old ways of getting the same.

Where do you see yourself in 5 years?

[BigFurry]

Ads are not easier to buy at all. You buy some ads, most likely they will not be profitable.

Plus you have to train and pay your employee.

[AllAboutCams]

The best way i have found to make sale's as an affiliate is have a site that people want to come to and use daily.

But im sick to death of adult and looking in to mainstream sites i can run the same way.

[Tubevideditor]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Whether it's on a blog like a newspaper, free entertainment sites like Pornhub or Youtube or search engine.

The tube sites become your affiliates in order to get a partner account... on most tubes at least.

[Pornopat]

Looking at the enormous rise of addblockers over the last few years I higly disagree.

[Mediamix]

Buying ads is not simple. You need to filter that traffic. Optimizing your campaigns at ad-networks is a real pain in the ass if you don't know what you're doing. Most webmasters en company owners don't know what they are doing when it comes to buying traffic.

That's why you see so many people complain about traffic brokers. Most people begin with buying a few bucks of traffic and when that doens't convert, they start threads filled with complaints about traffic brokers. But in reality they just don't know how to make money with paid traffic.

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Most webmasters en company owners don't know what they are doing when it comes to buying traffic.

That's right. It all boils down to the same basic thing, which is that an affiliate brings you a sale that you would not otherwise get and thats why you pay an affiliate with revshare. Successful affiliates are basically talented sales people.

[Jigster715]

Affiliates who can generate followings will be okay. Upcoming laws against pron will inhibit tubes.
As Pat says, adblockers are on the rise, doubling every year in numbers of people who are using them.

Fuck, I use them.

Remember the Prop 60 banners?

[Nicky]

Ads are more profitable? Yea right.

[GLMBV]

Yeah agree with Mediamix and Bigfurry, ads are definitely not easier.. To be honest its a headache.

And whats easier than paying an affilate a small percentage for the traffic he sends you that makes you money without having to do much extra for it?

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Affiliates at more than 10% are going to be hard pressed in the future. The economics simply won't stack up.

What year is it ?

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

The best way i have found to make sale's as an affiliate is have a site that people want to come to and use daily.

But im sick to death of adult and looking in to mainstream sites i can run the same way.

I feel the same. The problem is finding mainstream-type sites that can be run like adults ones.

Most that I see aren't that great and believe that most people are on social media now anyway.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by BigFurry

Ads are not easier to buy at all. You buy some ads, most likely they will not be profitable.

Plus you have to train and pay your employee.

The budgets the big companies have makes testing ad sources far easier. As for training people to look at stats and marketing. Who trained you?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

The best way i have found to make sale's as an affiliate is have a site that people want to come to and use daily.

But im sick to death of adult and looking in to mainstream sites i can run the same way.

Content will always be king. The problem is untalented people trying to compete with talented people.

[Barry-xlovecam]

1. AdWords have raised their prices a lot.
2. Bulk ads are not your conversion imagined nirvana.
3. Media buying direct from highly trafficked websites is an option but is a time consuming option as well as costly process.

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[Mediamix]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

1. AdWords have raised their prices a lot.
2. Bulk ads are not your conversion imagined nirvana.
3. Media buying direct from highly trafficked websites is an option but is a time consuming option as well as costly process.

XloveCash <3 Affiliates

I only hear good things about you guys!

[133Seven]

i don't think it's so black and white op. Media buys can't replace organic spam/chat traffic etc. What about owners of smaller brands that have valuable placements in the serps? Their traffic may be a lot better than the ad spots you speak of.

The internet is too flexible, there are too many ways to skin this cat. I think moving forward affiliates will become more non existent but the ones who are still in the game will be the top of the food chain.

[arock10]

This all happened at least 5 years ago. You haven't been able to toss up a boob pic on your affiliate site, cross your fingers, and have sales flood in. Good affiliates are still going to make a lot of money, just not many of them

[133Seven]

Originally Posted by arock10

This all happened at least 5 years ago. You haven't been able to toss up a boob pic on your affiliate site, cross your fingers, and have sales flood in. Good affiliates are still going to make a lot of money, just not many of them

2 up 2 down

[OldJeff]

Always a good idea to take advice from someone that never had any success in the field they are babbling about

[133Seven]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Always a good idea to take advice from someone that never had any success in the field they are babbling about

i once pee'd in a water bottle whilst driving down the road

[ilovecfnm]

yeah, go all to mainstream, more money in my pocket;) I will tell you guys a secret... dont give your shit away for FREE!!! Blur the money shots, dont show any fucking in your teasers.... I made thousands of dollars with this method... STOP GIVING AWAY FREE SHIT...

[MikeFold]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Always a good idea to take advice from someone that never had any success in the field they are babbling about

I see somebody got shorted in the trick or treat bag last night.....chocolate withdrawal makes me ornery too.....

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

1. AdWords have raised their prices a lot.
2. Bulk ads are not your conversion imagined nirvana.
3. Media buying direct from highly trafficked websites is an option but is a time consuming option as well as costly process.

Is it easier and more profitable to do those things in-house or rely on freelance affiliates?

Adwords raising their price proves they are profitable and people are willing to pay more.

If Ads were not profitable, free sites would die.

Media buying by the company who aren't sharing the return with a third party are more profitable. Assuming they have the product that allows them to convert traffic. Which as you point out in the first line. Many do.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by 133Seven

i don't think it's so black and white op. Media buys can't replace organic spam/chat traffic etc. What about owners of smaller brands that have valuable placements in the serps? Their traffic may be a lot better than the ad spots you speak of.

The internet is too flexible, there are too many ways to skin this cat. I think moving forward affiliates will become more non existent but the ones who are still in the game will be the top of the food chain.

Originally Posted by arock10

This all happened at least 5 years ago. You haven't been able to toss up a boob pic on your affiliate site, cross your fingers, and have sales flood in. Good affiliates are still going to make a lot of money, just not many of them

Agreed that some will survive. Success won't be based on affiliate/webmaster skills. It will be based on having the content that makes surfers stay and bookmark. This is why GFY survived. I could make a long list of survivors, but you all get the point.

Surfers are more discerning now and congregating where they get the best product, be it affiliates site or producer.

No need to ask for advice on this Jeff. It's already happened and continues to happen.

[brassmonkey]

hopefully still alive if not dead fuk your stupid bullshit dogg

[Hannes]

theres so many factors that can go into what your saying, yes some of what you say is true, but from my personal experience, i have to disagree with some points as well.

[RyuLion]

It used to be easier to make a buck but the last 6 years, I've had to work 2-3 times the amount of time to make the same amount. I'm currently working on my own mainstream app. Cell phones apps is where the $ is now..

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Ads are easier to buy, better to monitor and more profitable. Whether it's on a blog like a newspaper, free entertainment sites like Pornhub or Youtube or search engine. Why pay 1,000s of people who the sponsor has no control over when it can be done better and cheaper in-house?

I don't agree Paul.

We, models or program owners are always happy to entertain a webmaster, providing the appropriate resources & tools for affiliates to create their business.

There is no good comes from keeping business all to themselves.

Webmasters have no need to worry about lack of sites to promote

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Agreed that some will survive.

all can survive, new programs start & many old programs continue so there's always a basis for a webmaster to make a business & a good living.

Of course, with hard work & promoting the right models and programs

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

I don't agree Paul.

We, models or program owners are always happy to entertain a webmaster, providing the appropriate resources & tools for affiliates to create their business.

There is no good comes from keeping business all to themselves.

Webmasters have no need to worry about lack of sites to promote

No matter what you give affiliates, it won't matter. The future is the ability of those affiliates to retain traffic.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

all can survive, new programs start & many old programs continue so there's always a basis for a webmaster to make a business & a good living.

Of course, with hard work & promoting the right models and programs

Why do you leave out the demands of surfers?

[Tasty1]

The future of affiliates; we are all gonna die!
Just like the rest of the people on this planet.
Why work hard, when we know what is coming?

[Adnium_Ivana]

The future of affiliates is VR, niche porn and oh, a bump for this thread Let's get GFY back to 'normal'

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Adnium_Ivana

The future of affiliates is VR, niche porn and oh, a bump for this thread Let's get GFY back to 'normal'

Not if it's available free. And for most the few big boys gobble up the traffic.

[Securom]

Advertising will never die...probably

[Smart Fred]

I've never done so many sales as an affiliate this year. Best year from 2008 and the Tubes rise. And not with my old domains but with new ones purchased in 2015. It tooks me a long time to adapt but I didn't die.

So Paul I could only disagree with you.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by Smart Fred

I've never done so many sales as an affiliate this year. Best year from 2008 and the Tubes rise. And not with my old domains but with new ones purchased in 2015. It tooks me a long time to adapt but I didn't die.

So Paul I could only disagree with you.

That's good to hear. What do you attribute your success in paysite memberships to?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Affiliates at more than 10% are going to be hard pressed in the future. The economics simply won't stack up.

Ads are easier to buy, better to monitor and more profitable. Whether it's on a blog like a newspaper, free entertainment sites like Pornhub or Youtube or search engine. Why pay 1,000s of people who the sponsor has no control over when it can be done better and cheaper in-house?

The biggest affiliates are the sites that companies are buying ads from. Affiliates are going to die because people will get their traffic from tubes? The tubes are the affiliates. Money being paid for those ads is being paid to affiliates.

[Rochard]

You don't need ads. I run blogs and still make money. It costs me pretty much nothing.

And you can promote anything. I got a sign up to Lightspeed Cash last night:

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You don't need ads. I run blogs and still make money. It costs me pretty much nothing.

And you can promote anything. I got a sign up to Lightspeed Cash last night:

How did you generate a sale without ads?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Smart Fred

I've never done so many sales as an affiliate this year. Best year from 2008 and the Tubes rise. And not with my old domains but with new ones purchased in 2015. It tooks me a long time to adapt but I didn't die.

So Paul I could only disagree with you.

I like this

It reinforces my theory of the "Clean Slate Domain".
It is a twist to the "clean slate brand" trend displacing incumbent brands with new ideas and concepts.
Google systematically looks for the new, and when credible, will give these domains a push up.

These new domains were of newer design I am assuming.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Securom

Advertising will never die...probably

Of course. The question is who will buy the Ads and where will they place them?

Getting traffic is the easy part. Don't reply it's not because you need 500 visitors to make one sale. And 75% of your traffic is new people and 75% of them don't stay longer than 20 seconds. Being loose with the numbers but I 'm sure you understand.

Engaging people is the name of the game. Entertaining and informing is paramount now and in the future. Adultking made a very good point, Pornhub, Xhamster, Youporn survive off the people they retain. Not new visitors. Has anyone got their percentage of new and retained?

The exact same goes for GFY when most of the other porn forums are dead or dull.

Affiliates are a dying breed. Entertainers and informers are the new way.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I like this

It reinforces my theory of the "Clean Slate Domain".
It is a twist to the "clean slate brand" trend displacing incumbent brands with new ideas and concepts.
Google systematically looks for the new, and when credible, will give these domains a push up.

These new domains were of newer design I am assuming.

How many sales did you make to a Google algorithm?

[Barry-xlovecam]

A lot *in the past* more than you ever did

Do you know what the word theory means?

[badgirlfilms]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Content will always be king. The problem is untalented people trying to compete with talented people.

bullshit...it's the MODEL competing with the producer...Now Models are producers, just look at the shift on clips4sale from guys like us, shooting content to the models just blowing it out of the water. Fans like dealing directly with the talent. No one can stop this or slow it down.

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Buying ads is not simple. You need to filter that traffic. Optimizing your campaigns at ad-networks is a real pain in the ass if you don't know what you're doing. Most webmasters en company owners don't know what they are doing when it comes to buying traffic.

That's why you see so many people complain about traffic brokers. Most people begin with buying a few bucks of traffic and when that doens't convert, they start threads filled with complaints about traffic brokers. But in reality they just don't know how to make money with paid traffic.

I agree.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I did not what to edit the above post too much

Anybody that knows anything knows that Google likes new domains.

You want a guarantee buy a fucking can opener or something.
Affiliates that use the data we can provide create unique websites and make money every week.

Sorry, we are not a public company and do not release audited financial reports.

I will not cite any of our company statistics nor reveal any personal statistics other than possibly useful empirical findings.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Ads are easier to buy, better to monitor and more profitable. Whether it's on a blog like a newspaper, free entertainment sites like Pornhub or Youtube or search engine. Why pay 1,000s of people who the sponsor has no control over when it can be done better and cheaper in-house?

I see so many advertising networks go out of business all the time. Chances are they will vanish once you send them a big check.

[Barry-xlovecam]

And those models' clips that are sold as downloads will end up posted as copyright infringement. Some models don't care -- others leave the business for this reason.

I don't need that small money and the headaches -- thank you.