Could the electoral college dump Trump?

[brassmonkey]

On 8 November Donald Trump was declared the winner of the US presidential election. His victory, however, won't be official until 19 December, when the 538 members of the electoral college gather in state capitals across the US to formally cast their ballots for the next president.

The electoral college vote is a vestigial constitutional organ - a political appendix - that in practice has amounted to little more than a rubber stamp for the president-elect. The year 2016 seems determined to continue breaking rules and norms right up until its last day, however, so of course there's now a movement among some electors to challenge this status quo - and the Clinton team just gave a wink and a nod of approval to their efforts.

On Monday John Podesta, the chair of the Clinton campaign, issued a statement saying that they supported a request by 10 electoral college voters - nine Democrats and one Republican - to receive a briefing from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on evidence that the Russian government meddled in the US presidential election.

"The bipartisan electors' letter raises very grave issues involving our national security," Podesta, himself a victim of the alleged Russian hacking, writes. "Electors have a solemn responsibility under the Constitution, and we support their efforts to have their questions addressed."

Those electors are part of a manoeuvre they say was endorsed by founding father Alexander Hamilton, who wrote that a core purpose of the electoral college was to serve as a constitutional failsafe to prevent unqualified candidates or those under the influence of "foreign powers" from becoming president.

As justification for their request they point to the revelation last Friday that the US intelligence community has evidence that Russian hackers specifically targeted communications by Democratic Party and Clinton campaign officials in an attempt to aid Mr Trump's election.

"Trump's willingness to disregard conclusions made by the intelligence community and his continuing defence of Russia and Russian President Vladimir Putin demand close scrutiny and deliberation from the electoral college," the 10 electors write in an open letter to Mr Clapper.

Any hope of swaying enough electors to hand the presidency to Mrs Clinton or a more moderate Republican (Ohio Governor John Kasich, for example) is the longest of long-shots. Although one Republican from Texas, Chris Suprun, has said he won't vote for Mr Trump, another 36 would have to break ranks to drop the Republican below the 270-vote threshold necessary for victory.

That isn't happening, writes the Atlantic's Garrett Epps.

"I don't think the Founding Fathers somehow 'intended' the electors to function in this situation as wise elders," he writes. "If they did, I think the electoral college would operate far differently. The electors never meet, they don't debate, they vote only once, and they disappear. To me, that's not a deliberative body; that's a protection for states that choose to disfranchise their people."

Complicating matters further is the fact 29 states have laws that require presidential electors to support the candidate who wins a plurality of votes in their state. Two Democratic electors in Colorado are challenging the legality of those laws in court - a move that's being opposed by the Trump campaign.

The lawsuit "threatens to undermine the many laws in other states that sensibly bind their electors' votes to represent the will of the citizens, undermining the electoral college in the process", writes a Trump campaign lawyer in a request to participate in the Colorado case.

That is a measured response compared to what is likely to come from Mr Trump himself, once he offers his inevitable counterpunch on Twitter. He's already likened the allegations of Russian electoral meddling to a conspiracy theory and has said that the push for vote recounts in three key swing states to find evidence of tampering, which the Clinton campaign also is supporting, is a scam and a waste of time and money.

Beneath all of this sound and fury is the reality that Mr Trump enters the White House with very tenuous claims to a presidential mandate. He trails Mrs Clinton in the popular vote by 2.8 million votes, his Electoral College margin is modest by historical standards, and he has some of the lowest approval ratings of any president-elect.

Mr Trump and his team have clearly decided that any investigations into whether there were foreign attempts to meddle with the election, either through the ballot box or via email hacking, must be aggressively challenged no matter how unlikely they are to succeed.

With Podesta's move, the Democrats open themselves up to charges that they're sore losers - and with only a week before the electoral college votes, any efforts to block Mr Trump's path to the presidency are almost certainly hopeless.

They could prompt an overreaction from Mr Trump and his team, however, and set them at odds with Republicans in Congress who have called for a closer look into Russia's activities.

Anything that knocks the president-elect off his stride and foments dissent in Republican ranks could be viewed by Democrats as a win, and at this point they'll likely take whatever they can get

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[mineistaken]

blacks for trump!

[Barry-xlovecam]

unlikely scenario

[2MuchMark]

Yes this is entirely possible. It's a long shot, but it can be done.

[Bladewire]

Stranger anomolies have happened, like a washed up bankrupt reality TV host losing an election by 2.7 million votes but being called a "winner".

[Barry-xlovecam]

OH NOES! -- I am working on my fake news site;

[crockett]

Those electors are part of a manoeuvre they say was endorsed by founding father Alexander Hamilton, who wrote that a core purpose of the electoral college was to serve as a constitutional failsafe to prevent unqualified candidates or those under the influence of "foreign powers" from becoming president.

Pretty much sums Trump up on every point..

However IMO at this point we have to let the chaos run its course. Had there been a revolt of the EC right after the election and held the results in question at that point it would be one thing.

However waiting this long to do anything is bad and nothing is gonna happen.

He will be impeached or run out of office before his term is up. He's not smart enough to do the job and he will do something to get himself removed soon as it's not a big party of ass kisses surrounding him.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

OH NOES! -- I am working on my fake news site;

add "trump to donate his wig to a bald eagle dec. 19th"

[Bladewire]

[davidCRM]

trump as hottest topic here; long article with big boy words; internationally relevant
6/10 - still no gore

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Stranger anomolies have happened, like a washed up bankrupt reality TV host losing an election by 2.7 million votes but being called a "winner".

[nico-t]

only in libster wet dreams

[Bladewire]

[RandyRandy]

No. They won't

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

No. They won't

That said Trump wouldn't win

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Stranger anomolies have happened, like a washed up bankrupt reality TV host losing an election by 2.7 million votes but being called a "winner".

Do you know what those 2.7 million voters are called?














LOSERS!! Like ALL Hillary voters!!

[ErectMedia]

Trump Nation is here bitches so buckle up for an 8 year ride. Do you ever wake up and go I wish I had a life and friends so I wouldn't have to troll GFY all day and post whiny bitch ass pipe dreams since my life is utter bullshit. Clinging on to a thread of useless hope cause your life is pathetic.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Trump Nation is here bitches so buckle up for an 8 year ride. Do you ever wake up and go I wish I had a life and friends so I wouldn't have to troll GFY all day and post whiny bitch ass pipe dreams since my life is utter bullshit. Clinging on to a thread of useless hope cause your life is pathetic.

SUCKIT Erect!