Affilate Manger advises spamming Craigslist and others is ok ?!?

[Phoenix69]

A very popular classifieds site for Personals is getting hundreds of spam listings daily. Kind of ewhore ads saying stuff along the lines of " I am a lonely MILF, husband away - click here to get my phone number" and " Horny teen - need to get laid, click here to get my Facebook ID" but all links go to an offer from a BIG ( Major Player ) and well known company in the adult dating world.

When I discussed this with an Affiliate Manager he advised it is not spam - it is a legal form of advertising ( regardless that the classifieds site itself says not allowed. )

Further, he said you can do this on Craigslist and similar sites - it is ok to promote this way.

Or did I just get told a load of garbage ?

[AllAboutCams]

Who allows this?

[Phoenix69]

The post isn't to out the company, unless they lied to me and I will lose my shit.
As well, any affiliate doing this and making bank isn't going to say go for it.

So I am more interested in dating company representatives on GFY confirming or denying if it is or isn't considered spam by their companies. If it is OK - then it opens up another revenue stream I guess. Again, the answer given above was from a MAJOR dating company, who wouldn't just make stuff up ( I assume ) in a very clear email reply.

The site I refer to in my original post isn't Craigslist or Backpage but a global site with lots of traffic - and you can make bank with adwords advertising or paid banner advertising allowed on the site - and also allows free postings that you can put links on but they clearly say no spam allowed on our site - well not hundreds of 'ewhore' type of listings a day, every fucking day anyway.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Considering how much Skype and email dating site Spam I get I wouldn't be surprised by dating sites' tactic approval of this ... Anyway, bump for an answer ...

[TheLegacy]

You must understand - owners rarely care about legal stuff until they are caught. For the most part - if anything is available they'll use it if it's free as long as a sale comes from it.

Those who are employee's who don't like it - they can leave. I've seen people fired for less - so I'm not agreeing with the tactic - just a lesson about top level decision making. Make money and next year make more money and cut the bottom expenditures out - oh - but save my first class flight and the best room as the casino in Vegas for me. Doesn't add up but it's reality

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

You must understand - owners rarely care about legal stuff until they are caught. For the most part - if anything is available they'll use it if it's free as long as a sale comes from it.

Those who are employee's who don't like it - they can leave. I've seen people fired for less - so I'm not agreeing with the tactic - just a lesson about top level decision making. Make money and next year make more money and cut the bottom expenditures out - oh - but save my first class flight and the best room as the casino in Vegas for me. Doesn't add up but it's reality

Fortunately you don't speak for the industry as a whole.

The kind of business that doesn't care about legalities, or fires employees who ask questions, is a business no employee wants to work for and is a business that won't be around long.

Employees that work for this kind of company should run away now! This is the kind of company that will have employees do things that the employee doesn't know are illegal and could put the employee in jail and be held personally financially liable. This kind of company throws the employee under the bus first chance.

Regarding OP's question, if a site is getting hundreds of spams daily, in a concentrated area, the site will be useless for its original purpose, so the site will be fighting that spam hard and blocking/ghosting submitters. If you're posting a lot of spam, and see it, you're likely ghosted and don't know it. Nobody likes spam and any platform worth anything will fight it so use it sparingly as if you were an advertiser, not spammer.

[Colmike9]

Just saying, it wasn't me that said that

But if anyone wants to email me and privately talk about it, I'm always around.

[Rochard]

People spam via email and Skype and ICQ and even phone.... what's the difference?

[Phoenix69]

Originally Posted by Rochard

People spam via email and Skype and ICQ and even phone.... what's the difference?

The company advises on their site :

WE DO NOT TOLERATE SPAM OF ANY SORT! IF YOU SPAM YOUR ACCOUNT WILL BE TERMINATED AND YOU WILL NOT BE PAID!

I was told SPAM is considered to be electronic junk mail only.
Anything else eg hundreds of "ewhore" type of classifieds listing are NOT spam even when they are against the site's ( where they appear ) Terms of Use - clearly saying don't spam us and that they have to manually delete daily only to be flooded again next day.

I was told that ewhore classifieds listings are a "legal promotional method utilized by thousands of affiliates around the world."

But I can't assume he can talk for the whole industry.

So I just wanted to hear from other dating companies as to what is and isn't considered spam, when a dating offers company says don't spam. That's what I am simply asking ?

Or do you just ignore any fine print and as long as you can make bank they don't give a fuck what method you use ?

[babeterminal]

ashley madison?

[CamsMaster]

Originally Posted by Phoenix69

I was told SPAM is considered to be electronic junk mail only.
Anything else eg hundreds of "ewhore" type of classifieds listing are NOT spam even when they are against the site's ( where they appear ) Terms of Use - clearly saying don't spam us and that they have to manually delete daily only to be flooded again next day.

that's a news!

[fuzebox]

You guys are naive if you think every major company in the industry won't take that traffic.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

You guys are naive if you think every major company in the industry won't take that traffic.

And then terminate your account not paying you hundreds of dollars using spamming as the excuse So many threads here of angry affiliates for that.

[BlackCrayon]

at some point in time, like 10 years ago the US was putting spammers in prison for years, sometimes decades for what no one seems to care about anymore. terrible for those guys.

[PornDiscounts-V]

Are you some kind of troll that doesn't like money?

Ten years ago I made thousands per month by automating a script that posted teen revenue girls to newsgroups. Sure, the die hard purist newsgroup owners thought I was spamming, but dozens of people per day would sign up. They didn't think it was spamming. They thought it was a god send on finding barely legal porn.

Many companies didn't allow my traffic and sided with the newsgroup operators. But many did enjoy my traffic and together we made lots of money and took otherwise free people and turned them into paying customers.

If it doesn't work with your gut or your conscience, try other methods. Otherwise make some ads and count the money. Though you will need to automate in order to make any kind of real money with the method you are describing. Like hundreds of ads in hundreds of localities.

[ardvark]

Originally Posted by Phoenix69

The post isn't to out the company, unless they lied to me and I will lose my shit.
As well, any affiliate doing this and making bank isn't going to say go for it.

So I am more interested in dating company representatives on GFY confirming or denying if it is or isn't considered spam by their companies. If it is OK - then it opens up another revenue stream I guess. Again, the answer given above was from a MAJOR dating company, who wouldn't just make stuff up ( I assume ) in a very clear email reply.

The site I refer to in my original post isn't Craigslist or Backpage but a global site with lots of traffic - and you can make bank with adwords advertising or paid banner advertising allowed on the site - and also allows free postings that you can put links on but they clearly say no spam allowed on our site - well not hundreds of 'ewhore' type of listings a day, every fucking day anyway.

Any chance you can tell me the classified site?

[woj]

it's ok until they get a complaint...

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Phoenix69

The company advises on their site :

WE DO NOT TOLERATE SPAM OF ANY SORT! IF YOU SPAM YOUR ACCOUNT WILL BE TERMINATED AND YOU WILL NOT BE PAID!

I was told SPAM is considered to be electronic junk mail only.
Anything else eg hundreds of "ewhore" type of classifieds listing are NOT spam even when they are against the site's ( where they appear ) Terms of Use - clearly saying don't spam us and that they have to manually delete daily only to be flooded again next day.

I was told that ewhore classifieds listings are a "legal promotional method utilized by thousands of affiliates around the world."

But I can't assume he can talk for the whole industry.

So I just wanted to hear from other dating companies as to what is and isn't considered spam, when a dating offers company says don't spam. That's what I am simply asking ?

Or do you just ignore any fine print and as long as you can make bank they don't give a fuck what method you use ?

what individual companies put on public pages is very different to what they personally tell you is acceptable traffic. What you mention isn't illegal, and if the program says "we'll take that traffic" I'm at a bit of a loss as to why this thread was made.

Who gives a fuck what a sites terms of use are... automate, spam the shit out of it, and churn & burn your way to more $$$

[Jel]

Originally Posted by ardvark

Any chance you can tell me the classified site?

I'll have some of that too lol

[rogueteens]

No one has asked the important question yet? What bot are they using and where can I get it.

[elliso]

as long as it makes money its legal :-) those are rules to make big Cash
there is no Limite.
thx for thread, i shall create afew ads tonight and i will check resulte within afew days

[rowan]

Originally Posted by woj

it's ok until they get a complaint...

And then after an 'extensive' investigation the program concludes it's all because of one rogue affiliate, whom they're not responsible for.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by rowan

And then after an 'extensive' investigation the program concludes it's all because of one rogue affiliate, whom they're not responsible for.

And who they will ban and not pay. Endless threads here from affiliates fucked over by programs for breaking their TOS when an employee told them it was ok.

The program keeps the affiliates money, it's a win/win for the program.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Rochard

People spam via email and Skype and ICQ and even phone.... what's the difference?

The question is whether it is considered spam, not whether it is the same as skype/icq/phone spam.

[CaptainHowdy]

Ustedes son ingenuos si cree que todas las grandes empresas de la industria no se llevará a ese tráfico.

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Fortunately you don't speak for the industry as a whole.

The kind of business that doesn't care about legalities, or fires employees who ask questions, is a business no employee wants to work for and is a business that won't be around long.

Employees that work for this kind of company should run away now! This is the kind of company that will have employees do things that the employee doesn't know are illegal and could put the employee in jail and be held personally financially liable. This kind of company throws the employee under the bus first chance.

Regarding OP's question, if a site is getting hundreds of spams daily, in a concentrated area, the site will be useless for its original purpose, so the site will be fighting that spam hard and blocking/ghosting submitters. If you're posting a lot of spam, and see it, you're likely ghosted and don't know it. Nobody likes spam and any platform worth anything will fight it so use it sparingly as if you were an advertiser, not spammer.

Of course there are always exceptions to the rule and I would never suggest that it is the way every business is run. I've been in the industry for over 25 years so this I know is true. I applaud those who keep their business ethics high and professional - but your observation is correct - not everyone.

[Phoenix69]

Originally Posted by CamsMaster

that's a news!

Is to me too !

Originally Posted by Bladewire

And then terminate your account not paying you hundreds of dollars using spamming as the excuse So many threads here of angry affiliates for that.

Spot on. That's why I am trying to work out what is fact and what is fiction, from feedback I read here - and I appreciate all your replies and answers.

Originally Posted by vvvvv

Are you some kind of troll that doesn't like money?

Not in any way.

Originally Posted by Jel

What you mention isn't illegal, and if the program says "we'll take that traffic" I'm at a bit of a loss as to why this thread was made.

I don't deal with the dating sponsor who told me that. I contacted them to say that the site I work with is getting murdered by spam daily and they would like it to stop. Then came the explanation that this isn't spam, so I would rather post on here for clarification from you all, rather than embarass the dating sponsors I have worked with for years and ask can I do this too.

Originally Posted by rogueteens

No one has asked the important question yet? What bot are they using and where can I get it.

It's done manually. Bad English - the spammed domains that redirect to offers have all been all registered in Bangladesh. It would have to be a team - on average, 200 - 300 spam ewhore listings in many cities daily. Deleted by site at night only for it to start again next day.

The listings are ( crap text ) + URL shortener going to a junk registered URL eg (something ).xyz going to an offer.

Originally Posted by rowan

And then after an 'extensive' investigation the program concludes it's all because of one rogue affiliate, whom they're not responsible for.

Adding to that, 2 of the dating companies I have worked with and who are also being spammed have shut me down for complaining. Not closed account but refuse to talk to me by email or Skype anymore - for weeks. Funny enough, one made contact by Skype, after this thread only to clarify who it was I was referring to my first post in this thread.

My conclusion - the affiliate doing this is making serious $$$ and they will not shut them down, no matter what proof I offer, but they will stop talking to me.

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Ustedes son ingenuos si cree que todas las grandes empresas de la industria no se llevará a ese tráfico.

Lo sé Capitano Pero quiero escuchar de mis compañeros lo que es vero y lo que es mierda.