US has no right!!

[XXXManager]

US has no right freeing the people of Iraq. Especially since the UN, french, germany and Russia objected.

Of course we see some of them smiling - cause they got new furnitures, but you can see that deep inside they are sad cause they realize they lost their favorite leader, that no-more they will have the joys of being affraid for their lives and their family life. No more will they enjoy the torture cells of Saddam. Their favorite leader was unilaterally pushed of power even though 100% of the Iraqis voted for him.
That not democratic - US have NO RIGHT.
War is bad - ask all the smiling people in the streets of Iraq.
Sorry French, Germany and russia that they found weapons you sold to Iraq during the Embargo. The propoganda news- channels did it just to hurt you, I am sure you sold them that weapons for good reasons - probably you thought they like to eat missiles - part of the oil for food program. You are saints - the world doesn't see that yet.
I am also sorry that you will loose all the contracts you had with Saddam - for sure that wasn't the reason you objected the war - but nontheless its a tragedy to see you loose these projects. US has no right keeping you out of the reconstruction of Iraq since we all know how much you care about the Iraqis' freedom.

One day - people will realize how bad the freedom the Iraqis are experiencing is and that freedom is not the only thing important. Live is nothing without a terrorizing regime to show you the value of being a human being.

US will one day wake up to to see that its all about OIL and that Saddam has been done a great unjustice - and by that - the Iraqis as well.



BTW - did you see that gut who tried to clean Saddam's picture with his shoe? Such dedication from a loving civilian of Iraq.

Long live Saddam.
WAR IS BAD
US IS BULLY
BUSH IS SHERRIF
Iraqi information minister is on drugs

[PersianKitty]

In need of a dvd player eh?

[KRL]

good one!

[digihax]

uhh sadam did not get voted into office he took it by force.

just thought I would throw that little bit of knowledge out there

[Webby]

Sheesh! That's funny!

[XXXManager]

Originally posted by digihax
uhh sadam did not get voted into office he took it by force.
just thought I would throw that little bit of knowledge out there

RRRRREEEEEAAAAAALLLLLYYYYY? *cynical* I didn't know that? I heard last elections he won 100% of the votes. no?
Doh

[mike503]

we're not freeing shit it's all about oil

this 'freedom' shit is bull, there's people worse off in the US right now, like fuck we'd go over there and help them first without economic reasons

[XXXManager]

OIL - Right!!!! I forgot! Shame on me!
Ye - and did you see the little girls fighting for their regime? (and oil - right)..
They were trying to stop the Tanks with flowers. So horrible what the allied (US,UK,Aussie) forces are driving the poor people to do. Little girls - should be in school - fighting big tanks with flowers! Shame.

OIL!

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by mike503
we're not freeing shit it's all about oil

this 'freedom' shit is bull, there's people worse off in the US right now, like fuck we'd go over there and help them first without economic reasons

What do you know about the economics of this? Please enlighten all of us on how EXACTLY this will affect the price of oil in the US and abroad. Share your knowledge.

[Webby]

mike503:

Add to that the need to prop up the US economy giving a load of his buddies contracts to "rebuild Iraq" - tis such a load of transparent bullshit and greed which is destined to bounce back on the US - probably when Bush and the rest of the regime have filled their pockets and run...

[XXXManager]

Originally posted by Gman.357
What do you know about the economics of this? Please enlighten all of us on how EXACTLY this will affect the price of oil in the US and abroad. Share your knowledge.

Shhh!
Ofcourse its about oil. Can't you see that?
The allied forces tanks ran out of fuel.. Thats why they drove to Iraq - cause they had to refil.

Hillubiration! (or whatever its spelled)
Oil! Oil! Oil! Oil! Oil!
Sherrif!
Immoral.
Freedom is BAD for you.. Mm'kay? *in the voice of SouthPark school councilor*

[XXXManager]

Originally posted by Webby
mike503:
Add to that the need to prop up the US economy giving a load of his buddies contracts to "rebuild Iraq" - tis such a load of transparent bullshit and greed which is destined to bounce back on the US - probably when Bush and the rest of the regime have filled their pockets and run...

Webby: What do you know? When did you last invaded a country?

BTW - Did you see what nice palaces Saddam built for his people?
And now he won't be able to clean it for them!
BAD US!

OIL!

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by mike503
we're not freeing shit it's all about oil

this 'freedom' shit is bull, there's people worse off in the US right now, like fuck we'd go over there and help them first without economic reasons

Grats, you just made an apperance on my moron list of people to never do business with.

[Webby]

Ace-Ace:

I can think of a good few people/companies that don't wish to have any involvement in "doing business" with a bananna republic

[XXXManager]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Grats, you just made an apperance on my moron list of people to never do business with.

Why are you flaming here buddy?
Mike is right - freedom is overrated!
See all the Iraqis - living so good with no freedom (and food, and some family members who dared speak, or cross the street or say no to Qusai(saddam's son)).
Mike is 100% right.
Who needs freedom.
Does anyone want to buy my freedom? I'll give it for a barrle of oil or a share of hillubiration (or whatever its spelled)

[XXXManager]

Originally posted by Webby
Ace-Ace:
I can think of a good few people/companies that don't wish to have any involvement in "doing business" with a bananna republic

Ye! TELL HIM WEBBY!
Who needs principals? They are overrated too
Im selling my principals for an extra oil barrel

OIL! OIL! OIL! OIL! OIL!

"Now the republican guard is in FULL control of the airport..... ......we took back the whooooooooooole area. now we are pounding them...."

[Tala]

When you get the DVD player, would you be kind enough to invite us all over for some movies? I'll bring the popcorn.

[Webby]

And I'll bring along a few cases of beer

[XXXManager]

Tala:
Sure think mate
I got a free copy of a good movir from my favorite leader already...
Blackhawk down.
A must see for a freedom-fighter. Join me in a prayer for our favorite democrat Saddam William Hussein

(btw - what's wrong with your sig mate?)

[PersianKitty]

Originally posted by Tala
When you get the DVD player, would you be kind enough to invite us all over for some movies? I'll bring the popcorn.

oh man.. now I'm craving fresh popcorn. I've got the greatest popcorn maker. Faster than microwave even... dang it all.

[Gman.357]

And I'll bring the crack pipe. Whoops. I quit that shit.

[XXXManager]

Lets arrange a gathering then. Webmaster for OIL freedom

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by digihax
uhh sadam did not get voted into office he took it by force.

just thought I would throw that little bit of knowledge out there

That sounds pretty fucking familiar.

While the goat fuckers enjoy their freedom we are loosing jobs by the caseload. 25,000 teachers in California are getting fired this year. All in one year. Something similar is happening here in NY.

Yeah, hooray for the Iraqi's. We spent more money on bombs and rations than we are getting on education and tons of other things we need.

Fucking idiots. Cheer this shit if you want to but if you look at the big picture you would want someone to come liberate our asses.

[Tala]

Originally posted by XXXManager
Tala:
Sure think mate
I got a free copy of a good movir from my favorite leader already...
Blackhawk down.
A must see for a freedom-fighter. Join me in a prayer for our favorite democrat Saddam William Hussein

(btw - what's wrong with your sig mate?)

Nothing wrong with my sig, mate: just waiting for a certain peckerwood to send me my fucking $$.

oh man.. now I'm craving fresh popcorn. I've got the greatest popcorn maker. Faster than microwave even... dang it all.

Oops. I'm sorry PK. didn't mean to get the tummy grumblie.

[PersianKitty]

Originally posted by Pornwolf


That sounds pretty fucking familiar.

While the goat fuckers enjoy their freedom we are loosing jobs by the caseload. 25,000 teachers in California are getting fired this year. All in one year. Something similar is happening here in NY.

At least they had jobs and have the freedom to look for another one and draw unemployment benefits.

[mike503]

Originally posted by Gman.357


What do you know about the economics of this? Please enlighten all of us on how EXACTLY this will affect the price of oil in the US and abroad. Share your knowledge.

every one of our moves in the past decades in the middle east has been driven by capitalism, not democracy

[mike503]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Grats, you just made an apperance on my moron list of people to never do business with.

not a problem, i aim to please. you must know bush personally to know our *true* reasons behind our involvement in the middle east area, right?

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by mike503


every one of our moves in the past decades in the middle east has been driven by capitalism, not democracy

WW2 as well?

Did we forget the wake-up call of 911? There's never been an instance like that in past decades. We're cleaning up a job long forgotten, but one that has been reminded.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by PersianKitty


At least they had jobs and have the freedom to look for another one and draw unemployment benefits.

Touche.

But yunno what Kitty, if one of the oldest civilizations in history doesn't have their shit together enough to be on par with us by now it isn't our problem. Natural selection in effect, let them wither into nothingness.

We have our own issues that need addressing.

[Carrie]

*heartily applauding XXXManager*
I especially loved the shoe "cleaning", that one brought out an actual full-throated laugh ;)

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Gman.357


WW2 as well?

Did we forget the wake-up call of 911? There's never been an instance like that in past decades. We're cleaning up a job long forgotten, but one that has been reminded.

What the hell does that have to do with Iraq?

[mike503]

Originally posted by Gman.357


WW2 as well?

Did we forget the wake-up call of 911? There's never been an instance like that in past decades. We're cleaning up a job long forgotten, but one that has been reminded.

last i recall the middle east wasn't a player in ww2. not singled out like our actions aiding iran, iraq, and overthrowing the shah of afghanistan... not "wars" but other independent acts of "playing god" with the region to maintain control.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
We have our own issues that need addressing.

You're right, Pornwolf, we seriously do.
But *because* of where we live, there are so many opportunities - I don't see losing a job as the end to everything, I see it as an opportunity to find something better. There's no one here taking food away from us, hell the gov't will even *give* you money and food if you need it. Not to mention all of the food banks and things like that.

And in the same vein of "if they haven't caught up to us by now" - if the people who are losing their jobs in CA and NY don't take advantage of the opportunities this country affords them, then aren't they in the same situation? Culling the weak who can't - or won't - adapt to change?

[mike503]

Originally posted by Pornwolf

We have our own issues that need addressing.

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by Pornwolf


What the hell does that have to do with Iraq?

This again?

Osama's 9/11 was a wake-up call on America that the middle east is a haven of cultures that breed anti-american sentiment, and Iraq is part of that equation unconditionally. Not only by the direct threat they pose to some of our allies who neighbor them, but by their past actions as well.

[mike503]

Originally posted by Carrie


You're right, Pornwolf, we seriously do.
But *because* of where we live, there are so many opportunities - I don't see losing a job as the end to everything, I see it as an opportunity to find something better. There's no one here taking food away from us, hell the gov't will even *give* you money and food if you need it. Not to mention all of the food banks and things like that.

And in the same vein of "if they haven't caught up to us by now" - if the people who are losing their jobs in CA and NY don't take advantage of the opportunities this country affords them, then aren't they in the same situation? Culling the weak who can't - or won't - adapt to change?

so it is up to us, the united states, to make sure everyone now in the entire world has the same opportunities? our own soldiers and our own blood should be spilled?

[mike503]

Originally posted by Gman.357


This again?

Osama's 9/11 was a wake-up call on America that the middle east is a haven of cultures that breed anti-american sentiment, and Iraq is part of that equation unconditionally. Not only by the direct threat they pose to some of our allies who neighbor them, but by their past actions as well.

obviously. but why are we in the middle east to begin with. that's the whole point.

none of these countries would hate us if we didn't tread on their holy grounds or try to control their governments. but we do, and that is why were are hated. that triggers 9/11 and other attacks. iraq didn't attack us on 9/11, al qaeda did. if we were trying to get revenge for 9/11 we'd be closing down al qaeda, not going on a tangent to rid saddam.

simply put, we have no interest in this region from the getgo without the oil and other capitalist interests. we wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that, and no events would have taken place like they have.

[extreme]

Originally posted by Gman.357


WW2 as well?

The America First movement was very strong during the first parts of WW2.

Basically the US did not help Europe much at all in the beginning. It was finally decided the the US could sell arms to Britain. But they would not do any shipping so they had to send ships over to the US to fetch all supplies/arms they needed.

After a period this was changed an US ships were allowed to carry the supplies.

But after a while Britain was almost bankrupted by this. Luckily the Germans began sinking some US cargo vessels and that got things going.

Just some of the parts of the history not many americans know about...

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Carrie


And in the same vein of "if they haven't caught up to us by now" - if the people who are losing their jobs in CA and NY don't take advantage of the opportunities this country affords them, then aren't they in the same situation? Culling the weak who can't - or won't - adapt to change?

Maybe so but that's still no justification for spending (and pocketing privately) tons of money that is desparately needed elsewhere. Remember, this campaign is mostly finished but there will still be 85 billion extra released. Where will that go? Actually, the better question is where should that have gone?

Again, let me say, fuk them. We aren't their parents. If the civilization isn't self sufficient by now it's not our problem. That goes for any country older than 400 years.

[Carrie]

The troops will have to stay there for a while, continuing to keep control while the new gov't is set up, as well as inspecting the other 200+ sites suspected of housing WMDs. They're not just going to pull up and everyone go home. The money needs to be there to pay for that.

You say "fuk them, we aren't their parents" - should we say the same for all of the people on welfare right now?
If it applies there, then why not here?

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by mike503


obviously. but why are we in the middle east to begin with. that's the whole point.

none of these countries would hate us if we didn't tread on their holy grounds or try to control their governments. but we do, and that is why were are hated. that triggers 9/11 and other attacks. iraq didn't attack us on 9/11, al qaeda did. if we were trying to get revenge for 9/11 we'd be closing down al qaeda, not going on a tangent to rid saddam.

simply put, we have no interest in this region from the getgo without the oil and other capitalist interests. we wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that, and no events would have taken place like they have.

Well, Israel has a lot to do with our interests over there. But should we be isolationists, and turn our cheek when a country from that region needs our help financially?

Of course it has to do with our "capitalist" interests to some degree. So is every other nation's interests in each other. But to say this war is just about the oil is ignorance. It also has to do with protecting ourselves, Israel, Kuwait, and others from a regime that has proven itself time after time to be... well, deadly.

[extreme]

Originally posted by Pornwolf



Maybe so but that's still no justification for spending (and pocketing privately) tons of money that is desparately needed elsewhere. Remember, this campaign is mostly finished but there will still be 85 billion extra released. Where will that go? Actually, the better question is where should that have gone?

Again, let me say, fuk them. We aren't their parents. If the civilization isn't self sufficient by now it's not our problem. That goes for any country older than 400 years.

Iraq was created in 1922 by the British.

[mike503]

Originally posted by Carrie

You say "fuk them, we aren't their parents" - should we say the same for all of the people on welfare right now?
If it applies there, then why not here?

because this is our own country. a good rule of thumb is "don't help people if you can't help yourself"

[mike503]

Originally posted by Gman.357


Well, Israel has a lot to do with our interests over there. But should we be isolationists, and turn our cheek when a country from that region needs our help financially?

Of course it has to do with our "capitalist" interests to some degree. So is every other nation's interests in each other. But to say this war is just about the oil is ignorance. It also has to do with protecting ourselves, Israel, Kuwait, and others from a regime that has proven itself time after time to be... well, deadly.

genocide happens daily, happened for years in the balkans and still happens in a lot of other regions we've yet to stick our noses in. i hope you enjoy spending your hard earned money towards taxes so we can burn it up in some bombs that will only delay the inevitable. "peace" will never be established by war. especially with such a widespread dislike for our capitalism and foreign policy. all we're doing is forcing more enemies to hide and develop new tactics we've yet to think of yet.

a million dollars per scud missle... i hope it was worth it.

edit:

while i don't think it's right some people have to suffer, just because we have the power and have "funny money" we can just burn up on this effort, doesn't mean we should be the ones fighting the fight for them.

our troops are there, i "support" them i just think it's bullshit we got involved to begin with. but since they're there, i have no problem telling people i hope they stay safe and kill as much of the enemy as possible. i just think it's stupid we have to have our own die for THEIR cause.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Carrie

You say "fuk them, we aren't their parents" - should we say the same for all of the people on welfare right now?
If it applies there, then why not here?

Actually I think we should say fuck them as well. I didn't say the money should go to people not willing to work, just that it should be spent differently.

Also, 85 billion is not neded for an occupation fund. It was earmarked specifically for a war campaign since the costs of war is way more than the cost of peaceful occupation.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Gman.357

It also has to do with protecting ourselves, Israel, Kuwait, and others from a regime that has proven itself time after time to be... well, deadly.

Oh please. If they were deadly we wouldn't taking baths in Saddam's royal bathtub right now.

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by Pornwolf


Oh please. If they were deadly we wouldn't taking baths in Saddam's royal bathtub right now.

You don't think the slaughter of 5,000 Kurdish people (give or take) was deadly?

Would you have liked to see some more American/coalition casualties as well to further prove this?

[mike503]

Originally posted by Gman.357


You don't think the slaughter of 5,000 Kurdish people (give or take) was deadly?

Would you have liked to see some more American/coalition casualties as well to further prove this?

the dispute with the kurds has been going on for decades, and i was pretty sure i read somewhere that saddam had actually began working with the kurd leaders. but i could be wrong.

remember "black hawk down" where the guy said "this is not your war" - there you go.

[Pornwolf]

There's no arguing with you since you have been pretty brainwashed. That was a cattle slaughter. Not a military action. They are only deadly to themselves. If mass genocide was a problem for us there would have been about 10 campaigns across Africa and Europe we should have waged over the past 20 years. Don't let the media take away your own personal judgement for god's sake!

If they slaughtered 500k people in Iran or another country that is militarily capable this would be a valid point to argue.

We have killed near as many coalition soldiers and extras as they have. Iraq was only a threat to Iraq and maybe the people within 500km away. If that was such a problem Israel should have handled this instead of us since they should have been most threatened... but they didn't. It wasn't even on the agenda.

There was a reason for that... Iraq wasn't a threat.

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by mike503


the dispute with the kurds has been going on for decades, and i was pretty sure i read somewhere that saddam had actually began working with the kurd leaders. but i could be wrong.

remember "black hawk down" where the guy said "this is not your war" - there you go.

Right. Well, Pornwolf seemed to indicate that the regime wasn't deadly. And hasn't been notoriously brutal.