and mark prince >

[Grapesoda]

Several key points, though frankly those who analyzed the situation though more objective vantage points, did see multiple pathways to his potential victory 12 to 14 months ago. They were ridiculed and ostracized.

So for me, Lesson 1: If an argument sounds rationale and it is well reasoned, it is worth examining.

What you need to understand the situation:
?Understanding of Maslow?s Hierarchy of Needs theory.
?Knowledge of the ?real? segmentation of voters and their associated motivations.

Clinton?s platform was a pitch/argument aimed to fulfill the higher level needs of voters including ?love/belonging?, ?esteem?, and ?self-actualization.? But it was a rational pitch, not an emotional appeal. Her platform was ?I have a plan, listen to me.? It was not ?I have a dream, share the dream with me.? It appealed to approximately 7 of the 16 segmentations of voters, but was not built on a strong emotional connection.

Lesson 2: Emotional arguments will bet rational arguments, most of the time.

Her platform had other serious flaws, that included her party?s failure to acknowledge that the voting majority had more-important, more-basic lower level needs - namely ?physiological? and ?safety? - that were not being met. (read: Maslow?s Hierarchy if you don?t understand what you just read.)

Lesson 3: The voting majority?s physiological and safety needs must be answered before their ?love/belonging? needs are answered.

It was wrong to label some voters as from a ?basket of deplorables? and ?uneducated.? This labelling infuriated them and had the unintended consequence of motivating them to want to ?get out and vote? against her.

Lesson 4: (Not a new one). NEVER insult a potential voter or an opponent. Insulting always stimulates a defensive reaction, which in this case meant: I will vote against her.

For the politicians reading in this space: Wha this boils down to is that Clinton?s platform was not as compelling to enough of the voting segments and collectively, the voting majority as Trump?s platform: His platform #1: ?unfettered, poorly negotiated free trade is harming the economy.? Platform #2 ?unchecked illegal immigration is hurting us and will hurt us more if not corrected?

Lesson 5: There are among the very biggest issues. To win, you need to stick to what is important (as perceived by the majority of voters).

His message to voters however, was intensely emotional (that?s why it sounds so irrational. It was a pitch to the limbic brain, which processes emotions and instincts, and not language and rationale arguments - think instinct versus reason). Essentially his message on his platform #1 topic was: ?I know you lack job opportunities, and I?m angry and frustrated like you that today?s government doesn?t acknowledge this, and yes, I understand your fear and worry over you and your children?s future economic prospects (?your physiological needs?) are serious problems?. His messaging on his second platform was more awkward, and rather insulting to many. But let?s understand what this message was: ?I acknowledge your fear. I?m afraid of them too. It is ok to be afraid of illegal immigration, and yes, (?your safety needs?) are important to me.? (Incidentally, if a reader is of the opinion that illegal immigration is not a problem, study the social opinion changes and political trends in Europe since the Syrian immigration crisis. It was one of the major drivers of Britain?s exit from the European Union, and is now dividing Europe has much as Europe was socially divided in the 1930s. Illegal immigration is not a ?self esteem? issue.

Lesson 6: Yes, these are emotional pitches, disruptive and provocative, not intended to be understood or analyzed from a rational perspective. Here is the lesson though: emotional pitches will almost always beat rationale pitches. 12 months ago, he used these emotional pitch tactics, and it was obvious to many competent brand and communications strategists that this was outstanding branding and marketing communications. (If you don?t understand why, watch the TED talk: ?Start with why?)

Lesson 7: If you leave voters needs unanswered they will react.

Clinton?s failing to win the Presidential election leaves those who voted for her unfulfilled?I have no doubt those voters feel very strongly and very heartsick to not have their ?need to see Hillary as President? fulfilled. Their sense of individual and personal worth has been left unanswered. It is a real ?pain? for these voters. That they protest now as some form of release of their personal frustrations in order to see their needs fulfilled is, frankly predictable and well within the range of normal behavior associated with the pursuit of an unfulfilled need.

In evidence, an anecdotal review of the protester?s comments during interviews would suggest ?love and belonging? and ?esteem? look to be key messages and part of the protest rationale. The intense media coverage is feeding their need for ?esteem?, and incidentally ?and unfortunately for our society, adding to the perception of others that these ?voters-turned-protesters? are ?selfish? and ?self-centered? for putting their higher level ?esteem? needs ahead of the ?physiological? and ?safety? needs of the majority of Americans (i.e. most of those who voted for Trump).

Lesson 8: There is no such thing as a President or platform not based on self interest.

If we acknowledge reality, the difficult point is that this is true: both sides are driven by self interest (?selfishness?). What upsets me is that the Democratic side has denied (or rather failed to build a platform with strong messages) that acknowledges the very large national economic problem and the majority-felt deep pain of being economically challenged and living in fear of their economic futures and personal safety.

I welcome constructive debate and comments. If however you are a basher, I will not engage with you as you only prove the argument that ?deplorable, intolerant people? exist throughout our society, and are as commonly found in democratic party circles as they are elsewhere.

https://www.quora.com/profile/Peter-Classen-1

[Rochard]

I'll just leave this here.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I'll just leave this here.

Thank you .............

[crockett]

[notinmybackyard]

Leave Mark Prince alone.

Because Mark's cool!

Albeit he's a little crazy about Apple products... I doubt he would know what to do with a "real woman" instead of Barbie Dolls... Plus judging by his obsession with American politics he seems to believe he lives in the United States and not Canada.

Just the same he's cool or at the very least he's more cool than most of the fairies posting on this forum.

[Joshua G]

hilary ran for most popular candidate. she won.

maybe next time she will run for president instead.

founding fathers say: 1 state cannot decide the president every 4 years! go to wisconsin, not california, to seek your presidency.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I'll just leave this here.

can you leave a reasoned well thought out counter point?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

can you leave a reasoned well thought out counter point? or his your intellect based on hostile internet memes? and then you actually demand that we take your thoughts seriously...I call that an arrogant but a greatly hubristic lack of aptitude.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

can you leave a reasoned well thought out counter point? or his your intellect based on hostile internet memes? and then you actually demand that we take your thoughts seriously...I call that an arrogant but a greatly hubristic lack of aptitude.

[Bladewire]

Ok I read the whole thing top to bottom.

I agree with a lot of his analysis but think he fails in his stance that Clinton was such a flawed candidate in communication and meeting the needs of prospective voters.

Saying the person who won the popular vote by 3 million votes, is a failed candidate, is a flawed premise don't you think?

The Republic (Electoral College) part of our Democratic Republic voted Trump into power. 304 Electoral elites voted Trump into power, 227 voted for Clinton.

The Democratic part of our Democratic Republic , 65,844,954 people voted Clinton to win for president. 48% Clinton 46% Trump.

Every Trump supporter will say Clinton is a flawed candidate, and every Clinton supporter will point out she won the popular vote by millions over Trump.

Saying Clinton couldn't relate is flawed, but every Trump supporter will agree Just like every Clinton supporter will tell you Trump is flawed

His analysis of giving security to voters is interesting. Voters feeling of security with Clinton was damaged when Comey broke protocol and said they were re-opening an investigation on her. Even though he later said it was all about nothing, he already pierced that vale of voted security, and he knew what he was doing and he did it to save his ass with Republicans in congress because they were starting to investigate him and called emergency hearings , etc. where he had to testify.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Leave Mark Prince alone.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Because Mark's cool!

Damn straight, skippy!

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Albeit he's a little crazy about Apple products...

I'm gay for the Apple.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I doubt he would know what to do with a "real woman"

Penis-Vagina, then after they cook and clean, more penis-vagina if they behave.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

instead of Barbie Dolls...

What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Plus judging by his obsession with American politics he seems to believe he lives in the United States and not Canada.

Canadian politics are good but boring. American Politics make for good and scary reality TV.

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Just the same he's cool or at the very least he's more cool than most of the fairies posting on this forum.

I am so cool, parts of me are used to cool D-wave computers. (Google it!)

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Exactly

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Sorry what were we talking about? Oh yea I forgot for a moment there.

Tell you what...
If you lend me your big boob Barbie doll then I throw you one of my long legged full bush granny pantie rockabilly broads. We'll then see who's the bigger horn dog!!

((Because of my age if you let me to let me double up on my heart medication then I'll let you take a viagra))

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Ok I read the whole thing top to bottom.

I agree with a lot of his analysis but think he fails in his stance that Clinton was such a flawed candidate in communication and meeting the needs of prospective voters.

?

The Republic (Electoral College) part of our Democratic Republic voted Trump into power. 304 Electoral elites voted Trump into power, 227 voted for Clinton.

The Democratic part of our Democratic Republic , 65,844,954 people voted Clinton to win for president. 48% Clinton 46% Trump.

Every Trump supporter will say Clinton is a flawed candidate, and every Clinton supporter will point out she won the popular vote by millions over Trump.

Saying Clinton couldn't relate is flawed, but every Trump supporter will agree Just like every Clinton supporter will tell you Trump is flawed

His analysis of giving security to voters is interesting. Voters feeling of security with Clinton was damaged when Comey broke protocol and said they were re-opening an investigation on her. Even though he later said it was all about nothing, he already pierced that vale of voted security, and he knew what he was doing and he did it to save his ass with Republicans in congress because they were starting to investigate him and called emergency hearings , etc. where he had to testify.

Saying the person who won the popular vote by 3 million votes, is a failed candidate, is a flawed premise don't you think - only because of the huge strip city areas of NYC and LA... so it's really hard to say. should 2 cities decide for a country? the rest of your arguments decides yes, 2 metropolitan areas should chose for a country.

His analysis of giving security to voters is interesting. Voters feeling of security with Clinton was damaged when Comey broke protocol and said they were re-opening an investigation on her. Even though he later said it was all about nothing, he already pierced that vale of voted security, and he knew what he was doing and he did it to save his ass with Republicans in congress because they were starting to investigate him and called emergency hearings , etc. where he had to testify - On this I had read that Clinton had an off camera 'chance' meeting with comeys boss at an airport while traveling. which A is sketchy and B comey had to cover his ass due to appearance of impropriety. I have a separate personal opinion.. .

thoughts?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

can you leave a reasoned well thought out counter point?

No.

8 char

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Saying the person who won the popular vote by 3 million votes, is a failed candidate, is a flawed premise don't you think - only because of the huge strip city areas of NYC and LA... so it's really hard to say. should 2 cities decide for a country? the rest of your arguments decides yes, 2 metropolitan areas should chose for a country.

His analysis of giving security to voters is interesting. Voters feeling of security with Clinton was damaged when Comey broke protocol and said they were re-opening an investigation on her. Even though he later said it was all about nothing, he already pierced that vale of voted security, and he knew what he was doing and he did it to save his ass with Republicans in congress because they were starting to investigate him and called emergency hearings , etc. where he had to testify - On this I had read that Clinton had an off camera 'chance' meeting with comeys boss at an airport while traveling. which A is sketchy and B comey had to cover his ass due to appearance of impropriety. I have a separate personal opinion.. .

thoughts?

Ok now you're being partisan and using straw man right wing arguments.

I read your loooooong ass right wing cut and paste.

Comey knew that he was influencing the election by sending a public letter to congress instead of a classified letter. Comey was told by Lynch not to send a public letter, he did anyway.

I was the only one to reply on topic, and thoughtfully, and your reply is the bullshit 2 cities choosing the president crap? Whatever waste of time cheers

[DukeSkywalker]

1. I am a college educated Trump Voter
2. I did not vote for my self-interest, in fact, I put my country first
3. Ilegal immigration is a huge problem and needs to be stopped. Furthermore, it was revealed at how much the mainstream media lied to us and is actually nothing more than a vehicle to drive home the leftist agenda: Which begs the question how many other "hot topics" are lies also? Climate change? 9/11? Who knows what else...

-ds

[crockett]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

1. I am a college educated Trump Voter
2. I did not vote for my self-interest, in fact, I put my country first
3. Ilegal immigration is a huge problem and needs to be stopped. Furthermore, it was revealed at how much the mainstream media lied to us and is actually nothing more than a vehicle to drive home the leftist agenda: Which begs the question how many other "hot topics" are lies also? Climate change? 9/11? Who knows what else...

-ds

You wont believe what happened when he found out Trump wasn't gonna get rid of illegals..

page 6

[DukeSkywalker]

Originally Posted by crockett

You wont believe what happened when he found out Trump wasn't gonna get rid of illegals..

page 6

Who me? He will do a lot to clamp down on it. I'm more for keeping muslims out than deporting my landscaper and my maids. Plus I am staunchly against having to use made up pronouns, speech censorship, and generally giving a fuck about peoples feelings who are overly sensitive. I don't support black lives matter ever since it showed its true colors. The playing field is already changing. I can feel it. You can already say shit and snowflakes just take it. Their feaux voice msm convinced them they have is bombing so hard isis is taking credit. This pleases me. As always, I give zero fucks and I'm an unapologetic wealthy white male.
Ds

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Several key points, though frankly those who analyzed the situation though more objective vantage points, did see multiple pathways to his potential victory 12 to 14 months ago. They were ridiculed and ostracized.

So for me, Lesson 1: If an argument sounds rationale and it is well reasoned, it is worth examining.

What you need to understand the situation:
?Understanding of Maslow?s Hierarchy of Needs theory.
?Knowledge of the ?real? segmentation of voters and their associated motivations.

Clinton?s platform was a pitch/argument aimed to fulfill the higher level needs of voters including ?love/belonging?, ?esteem?, and ?self-actualization.? But it was a rational pitch, not an emotional appeal. Her platform was ?I have a plan, listen to me.? It was not ?I have a dream, share the dream with me.? It appealed to approximately 7 of the 16 segmentations of voters, but was not built on a strong emotional connection.

Lesson 2: Emotional arguments will bet rational arguments, most of the time.

Her platform had other serious flaws, that included her party?s failure to acknowledge that the voting majority had more-important, more-basic lower level needs - namely ?physiological? and ?safety? - that were not being met. (read: Maslow?s Hierarchy if you don?t understand what you just read.)

Lesson 3: The voting majority?s physiological and safety needs must be answered before their ?love/belonging? needs are answered.

It was wrong to label some voters as from a ?basket of deplorables? and ?uneducated.? This labelling infuriated them and had the unintended consequence of motivating them to want to ?get out and vote? against her.

Lesson 4: (Not a new one). NEVER insult a potential voter or an opponent. Insulting always stimulates a defensive reaction, which in this case meant: I will vote against her.

For the politicians reading in this space: Wha this boils down to is that Clinton?s platform was not as compelling to enough of the voting segments and collectively, the voting majority as Trump?s platform: His platform #1: ?unfettered, poorly negotiated free trade is harming the economy.? Platform #2 ?unchecked illegal immigration is hurting us and will hurt us more if not corrected?

Lesson 5: There are among the very biggest issues. To win, you need to stick to what is important (as perceived by the majority of voters).

His message to voters however, was intensely emotional (that?s why it sounds so irrational. It was a pitch to the limbic brain, which processes emotions and instincts, and not language and rationale arguments - think instinct versus reason). Essentially his message on his platform #1 topic was: ?I know you lack job opportunities, and I?m angry and frustrated like you that today?s government doesn?t acknowledge this, and yes, I understand your fear and worry over you and your children?s future economic prospects (?your physiological needs?) are serious problems?. His messaging on his second platform was more awkward, and rather insulting to many. But let?s understand what this message was: ?I acknowledge your fear. I?m afraid of them too. It is ok to be afraid of illegal immigration, and yes, (?your safety needs?) are important to me.? (Incidentally, if a reader is of the opinion that illegal immigration is not a problem, study the social opinion changes and political trends in Europe since the Syrian immigration crisis. It was one of the major drivers of Britain?s exit from the European Union, and is now dividing Europe has much as Europe was socially divided in the 1930s. Illegal immigration is not a ?self esteem? issue.

Lesson 6: Yes, these are emotional pitches, disruptive and provocative, not intended to be understood or analyzed from a rational perspective. Here is the lesson though: emotional pitches will almost always beat rationale pitches. 12 months ago, he used these emotional pitch tactics, and it was obvious to many competent brand and communications strategists that this was outstanding branding and marketing communications. (If you don?t understand why, watch the TED talk: ?Start with why?)

Lesson 7: If you leave voters needs unanswered they will react.

Clinton?s failing to win the Presidential election leaves those who voted for her unfulfilled?I have no doubt those voters feel very strongly and very heartsick to not have their ?need to see Hillary as President? fulfilled. Their sense of individual and personal worth has been left unanswered. It is a real ?pain? for these voters. That they protest now as some form of release of their personal frustrations in order to see their needs fulfilled is, frankly predictable and well within the range of normal behavior associated with the pursuit of an unfulfilled need.

In evidence, an anecdotal review of the protester?s comments during interviews would suggest ?love and belonging? and ?esteem? look to be key messages and part of the protest rationale. The intense media coverage is feeding their need for ?esteem?, and incidentally ?and unfortunately for our society, adding to the perception of others that these ?voters-turned-protesters? are ?selfish? and ?self-centered? for putting their higher level ?esteem? needs ahead of the ?physiological? and ?safety? needs of the majority of Americans (i.e. most of those who voted for Trump).

Lesson 8: There is no such thing as a President or platform not based on self interest.

If we acknowledge reality, the difficult point is that this is true: both sides are driven by self interest (?selfishness?). What upsets me is that the Democratic side has denied (or rather failed to build a platform with strong messages) that acknowledges the very large national economic problem and the majority-felt deep pain of being economically challenged and living in fear of their economic futures and personal safety.

I welcome constructive debate and comments. If however you are a basher, I will not engage with you as you only prove the argument that ?deplorable, intolerant people? exist throughout our society, and are as commonly found in democratic party circles as they are elsewhere.

https://www.quora.com/profile/Peter-Classen-1

Basically, he appealed to the lizard brains of a large segment of the population. People who don't really think.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Who me? He will do a lot to clamp down on it. I'm more for keeping muslims out than deporting my landscaper and my maids. Plus I am staunchly against having to use made up pronouns, speech censorship, and generally giving a fuck about peoples feelings who are overly sensitive. I don't support black lives matter ever since it showed its true colors. The playing field is already changing. I can feel it. You can already say shit and snowflakes just take it. Their feaux voice msm convinced them they have is bombing so hard isis is taking credit. This pleases me. As always, I give zero fucks and I'm an unapologetic wealthy white male.
Ds

Funny how people get along great until politics comes up. I REALLY liked you as just DukeSkywalker the cocky stud, before the elections. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate on you, but your comments above were eye openers lol Not the anti PC liberal stuff, the other stuff ha!

I remember when Obama was elected and all the PC Liberals thought life as we know it would change forever, same with you alt-right people and Trump

[DukeSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Funny how people get along great until politics comes up. I REALLY liked you as just DukeSkywalker the cocky stud, before the elections. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate on you, but your comments above were eye openers lol Not the anti PC liberal stuff, the other stuff ha!

I remember when Obama was elected and all the PC Liberals thought life as we know it would change forever, same with you alt-right people and Trump

Its ok man. I wont hold it against you. Im not here make pals. You know im an honest biz man & thats all you really need to concern yourself with

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Tell you what...
If you lend me your big boob Barbie doll then I throw you one of my long legged full bush granny pantie rockabilly broads. We'll then see who's the bigger horn dog!!

Pics or GTFO!