Why do Republicans constantly lie?

[crockett]

The latest lies our of Trump and Ryans mouths are that Obamacare is in a death spiral and failing under its own weight.

No matter if you like it or not, it's been a success. Sure it needs tweeks, but they are trying to convince the simpletons it's failing so they can repel it with no replacement.

Republicans have no plan at all nor do they intend to replace it. They want to end it and that will be that.

The insurance companies will then have a massive field day denying people insurance. They will claim they have to write new plans and anyone with a serious pre-existing health issue will be denied a new plan.

Even Republican state governors are scared to death because if Obamacare is repelled their states will take the brunt of it.

Meanwhile dumbfucks in DC are lying to the simpletons who are too stupid to realize it's them who will also lose their health insurance.

[Bladewire]

Interesting fact: In states that Trump won there are over 6 million Obamacare enrollees on Obamacare subsidies. About 9 million people total take Obamacare subsidies countrywide.

That means that 67% of all enrollees on subsidies are in Trump states & 30% of TOTAL 20 million Obamacare enrollees are Trump state subsidy users

New State Data: ACA Marketplace Enrollees Receiving Estimated $32.8 Billion in Tax Credits, Which Would be Eliminated Under Repeal of the ACA | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

A lot of people in red states are set to lose Obamacare

Those are just Trump state people enrolled with subsidies , it doesn't include their Obamacare Medicaid expansion enrolrees.

[MaDalton]

[john1975]

And it's not why do they lie, it's how they lie , like their the ones correct on the manner....when all their doing is sounding like a serial narcissist.

I agree 100%. Nothing at all wrong with ObamaCare. It's all just political BS. a couple meme's for ya.

[onwebcam]

It is a failure. Nothing wrong with it? Then why has nearly every major company left it? They don't even like what they created.

[HowlingWulf]

Coming up next... Trumpcare!

[OldJeff]

They lie for the same reason democrats do, because mindless sheep will believe whatever they are told as long as the correct letter follows the name. You must be aware of this.

[2MuchMark]

They lie because they get away with it.

What's interesting though, is that their lies are becoming more and more obvious. They are trying less and less to cover up their lies.



Trump still LIES, saying he never did it. Trump's Mockery of a Disabled Journalist: Watch for Yourself

[john1975]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It is a failure. Nothing wrong with it? Then why has nearly every major company left it? They don't even like what they created.

there's no reason to leave it, their only other option was sky-high healthcare costs of the old.

so for that, you sound like a Republican. (talking out of ur ass)

[escorpio]

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

They lie because they get away with it.

What's interesting though, is that their lies are becoming more and more obvious. They are trying less and less to cover up their lies.

Trump still LIES, saying he never did it. Trump's Mockery of a Disabled Journalist: Watch for Yourself

What you're seeing is DISINFORMATION , not just lying.

Disinformation: Intentionally false or misleading information that is spread in a calculated way to deceive target audiences.

You have a POTDS that outright lies and disinformation news sources online, forum commenters, and TV news commentators, that back up those lies.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by john1975

there's no reason to leave it, their only other option was sky-high healthcare costs of the old.

so for that, you sound like a Republican. (talking out of ur ass)

Umm it bankrupting your company is a great reason to leave it... There won't be any companies left next year. All of the current ones will take on such huge losses this year they will bail as well.

It was flawed from the start just like many predicted it would be but you libs wouldn't listen. "We'll read it after it's passed."

Fortunately it appears that Trump is listening to the only sensible person on the matter, Rand Paul. It looks like Paul may even be his repeal and replace go to guy.

[Rochard]

Republicans always lie.

The Jeff Sessions hearing is on TV live right now and I just happened to catch a few minutes of it. Jeff Sessions was asked if him and his wife ever fight. He replied "never".

Someone quickly yelled out "you are under oath".

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Umm it bankrupting your company is a great reason to leave it... There won't be any companies left next year. All of the current ones will take on such huge losses this year they will bail as well.

It was flawed from the start just like many predicted it would be but you libs wouldn't listen. "We'll read it after it's passed."

Fortunately it appears that Trump is listening to the only sensible person on the matter, Rand Paul. It looks like Paul may even be his repeal and replace go to guy.

Do you ever fact check anything you say?

Every single one of the companies that left the exchange had profit INCREASES the year before they left!

Blue Cross, Aetna, United & Humana

Blue Cross: Months before the parent company of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas sought to raise rates and shed coverage plans for hundreds of thousands of customers across its divisions, the Chicago-based nonprofit was sitting on a $9.9 billion surplus.

Health Care Service Corp. also had topped its previous year?s revenue by 22 percent, bringing it to $27.7 billion, and had given its CEO a $10 million bonus, according to its 2014 year-end financial statements and other documents.

Aetna: Aetna's net income rose nearly 8% to $603.9 million, or $1.70 per share, in the third quarter compared to $560.1 million, or $1.59 per share, in the third quarter of 2015, the company said.

United Healthcare: The company also increased its forecast for 2016 adjusted net earnings to about $8.00 per share, from $7.80-$7.95. UnitedHealth's net earnings attributable to shareholders rose to $1.97 billion, or $2.03 per share, in the third quarter ended Sept. 30, from $1.60 billion or $1.65 per share, a year earlier.

Humana: Revenue rose 2 percent to $14.01 billion, topping the average estimate of $13.59 billion.

[mineistaken]

few montha ago you made bold statement about both parties being the same on the shady things, now you are back on laughable " r evil, d saint" track again. Enlightment did not last long...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by StefanG

polls have been done on BOTH Obamacare and ACA .... ACA won ...

[Joshua G]

GFY better get ready for 8 years of crockett endlessly whining about GOP rule. sore loser!

GOP won the voters that mattered...too bad, so sad.

[john1975]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Fortunately it appears that Trump is listening to the only sensible person on the matter, Rand Paul. It looks like Paul may even be his repeal and replace go to guy.

Republicans a couple days ago already said their replacing it with 'nothing' ....

n-o-t-h-i-n-g..... the same thing Republicans have done for healthcare reform the last 50+ years... only to favor the rich , and kill-off the poor.

you don't get it do you? I've been following this topic for 20 years. Republicans want nothing to do with making affordable healthcare....and never have.

like the meme says

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Do you ever fact check anything you say?

Every single one of the companies that left the exchange had profit INCREASES the year before they left!

Blue Cross, Aetna, United & Humana

Blue Cross: Months before the parent company of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas sought to raise rates and shed coverage plans for hundreds of thousands of customers across its divisions, the Chicago-based nonprofit was sitting on a $9.9 billion surplus.

Health Care Service Corp. also had topped its previous year?s revenue by 22 percent, bringing it to $27.7 billion, and had given its CEO a $10 million bonus, according to its 2014 year-end financial statements and other documents.

Aetna: Aetna's net income rose nearly 8% to $603.9 million, or $1.70 per share, in the third quarter compared to $560.1 million, or $1.59 per share, in the third quarter of 2015, the company said.

United Healthcare: The company also increased its forecast for 2016 adjusted net earnings to about $8.00 per share, from $7.80-$7.95. UnitedHealth's net earnings attributable to shareholders rose to $1.97 billion, or $2.03 per share, in the third quarter ended Sept. 30, from $1.60 billion or $1.65 per share, a year earlier.

Humana: Revenue rose 2 percent to $14.01 billion, topping the average estimate of $13.59 billion.

The companies profited on current customers but suffered HUGE losses with Obamacare.

Humana, one of the nation?s top health insurers, is pulling out of ObamaCare plans in all but a handful of states after a year of nearly $1 billion in losses.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...macare-markets

It shouldn't come as a huge surprise. UnitedHealth had previously said that it lost $475 million on the ACA exchanges last year and could lose another $500 million this year.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/inve...exchanges-aca/

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by john1975

Republicans a couple days ago already said their replacing it with 'nothing' ....

n-o-t-h-i-n-g..... the same thing Republicans have done for healthcare reform the last 50+ years... only to favor the rich , and kill-off the poor.

you don't get it do you? I've been following this topic for 20 years. Republicans want nothing to do with making affordable healthcare....and never have.

like the meme says

They will replace it. Don't get your panties in a wad.


Rand Paul says Trump backs him, not GOP leaders, on health care | MSNBC

[crockett]

Originally Posted by escorpio

This is why you are so easily lied to. You are brainwashed to believe everything even health insurance is a partisan issue. I would tell you to wake the fuck up, but you are too stupid to realize you have had the wool pulled over your eyes. Then of course there is a 50% chance you are just another fake troll account..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

They will replace it. Don't get your panties in a wad.


Rand Paul says Trump backs him, not GOP leaders, on health care | MSNBC

Just like Mexico will pay for the chain link fence..

Fake troll go away..

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The companies profited on current customers but suffered HUGE losses with Obamacare.

Humana, one of the nation?s top health insurers, is pulling out of ObamaCare plans in all but a handful of states after a year of nearly $1 billion in losses.
Humana to leave key ObamaCare markets | TheHill

It shouldn't come as a huge surprise. UnitedHealth had previously said that it lost $475 million on the ACA exchanges last year and could lose another $500 million this year.

UnitedHealthcare to exit most Obamacare exchanges - Apr. 19, 2016

Dude you just saw the PROFITS they ALL made. Why do you ignore black and white proof right in your face. You are in denial.

That story you linked to says Aetna is only staying in 11 states instead of 19. They still made a PROFIT but not as much as PROJECTED so they consider that a paper loss and only stay in the 11 most profitable states for them.

They aren't going bankrupt, none of them are. As I proved, they are ALL making profits, none have taken losses to be in the negative, just not meeting projected profit margins.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Interesting fact: In states that Trump won there are over 6 million Obamacare enrollees on Obamacare subsidies. About 9 million people total take Obamacare subsidies countrywide.

That means that 67% of all enrollees on subsidies are in Trump states & 30% of TOTAL 20 million Obamacare enrollees are Trump state subsidy users

New State Data: ACA Marketplace Enrollees Receiving Estimated $32.8 Billion in Tax Credits, Which Would be Eliminated Under Repeal of the ACA | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

A lot of people in red states are set to lose Obamacare

Those are just Trump state people enrolled with subsidies , it doesn't include their Obamacare Medicaid expansion enrolrees.

It's really no surprise TBH. Republican states are usually the biggest welfare queens. Their policies mean workers get fucked so their economies never grow. It's why most of the population flocks to the blue states, because they have good economies and lots of jobs..

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by crockett

Just like Mexico will pay for the chain link fence..

Fake troll go away..

It's really going to ruffle your feathers when Paul proposes an actual sensible plan isn't it? Obama's legacy disaster of a bill gone and replaced by a republican.

"The freedom to choose inexpensive insurance free of government dictates," Rand Paul

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

Just like Mexico will pay for the chain link fence..

Fake troll go away..

The only business thread I could find he started was this one in 2012 and the email contact domain is expired.

Everything else is basically anti Obama healthcare in 2013 anti Democrat rah rah rah

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Dude you just saw the PROFITS they ALL made. Why do you ignore black and white proof right in your face. You are in denial.

That story you linked to says Aetna is only staying in 11 states instead of 19. They still made a PROFIT but not as much as PROJECTED so they consider that a paper loss and only stay in the 11 most profitable states for them.

They aren't going bankrupt, none of them are. As I proved, they are ALL making profits, none have taken losses to be in the negative, just not meeting projected profit margins.

Sorry, but you can't expect a for profit business to act like a government and/or charity. They have investors to answer to. If there's an area of the business taking on huge losses it's their responsibility to cut it out.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

The only business thread I could find he started was this one in 2012 and the email contact domain is expired.

Everything else is basically anti Obama healthcare in 2013 anti Democrat rah rah rah

Congrats you figured out I use to be a domainer. Now if you could only go back about 13 or so more years you'll still find that I've always stayed in the background. My user name was a domain that I came here to sell, sold, bought back and resold if that helps you out any in your quest for answers.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Sorry, but you can't expect a for profit business to act like a government and/or charity. They have investors to answer to. If there's an area of the business taking on huge losses it's their responsibility to cut it out.

You lied though, none of them are going bankrupt, one made 22% profit increase, another 8%, they all made billions in profits

Saying they're going bankrupt losing money as your premise for them leaving the exchange is a lie.

[john1975]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

They will replace it. Don't get your panties in a wad.


Rand Paul says Trump backs him, not GOP leaders, on health care | MSNBC

trust me, they won't. and they'll find every reason to return all the power to the previous , extremely corrupt , big healthcare companies....and skyhigh prices. They've already dished out millions to congressmen...to 'serve' their interests.

the best moment was when they were first asked "what are you going to replace it with...?" and their all standing there like "duhhhhhhhhh". Firm evidence they've NEVER even thought of their own plan...and still haven't...and never will.

Just return all the power to the previous corrupt...that's all this is about.

so take ur pick....corrupt corporations or corrupt gov...or both.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by john1975

trust me, they won't. and they'll find every reason to return all the power to the previous , extremely corrupt , big healthcare companies....and skyhigh prices. They've already dished out millions to congressmen...to 'serve' their interests.

the best moment was when they were first asked "what are you going to replace it with...?" and their all standing there like "duhhhhhhhhh". Firm evidence they've NEVER even thought of their own plan...and still haven't...and never will.

Just return all the power to the previous corrupt...that's all this is about.

so take ur pick....corrupt corporations or corrupt gov...or both.

The current plan mandates we buy from those corrupt corporations you despise so much. Wouldn't eliminating state boarders as far as healthcare is concerned promoting competition and personal incentives rather than fines be a much better solution? Why not get behind a practical solution rather than playing negative nancy because 1 thing that's for sure ACA is going away.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You lied though, none of them are going bankrupt, one made 22% profit increase, another 8%, they all made billions in profits

Saying they're going bankrupt losing money as your premise for them leaving the exchange is a lie.

There's only so many billions one can lose. Again these aren't charities or governments.

[bronco67]

No one should think Republicans have been working on -- or will be working on any kind of plan to replace ACA. They just want to put a knife through Obamacare, and that's it. Their heart is not in creating healthcare for people -- it's in taking bribes from insurance lobbies.

They tried so many times over the last several years, but they knew their vote would get vetoed by a democratic president. Now that they have full control, let's see if they have the balls to uproot this beast and take on something they're woefully not prepared for --- to look out for the interests of others. Going to be interesting to watch the dog figure out what to do with the firetruck he finally caught.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

There's only so many billions one can lose. Again these aren't charities or governments.

Why are you lying?

They didn't lose money, it's all there in black and white. They all made BILLIONS in profits and ALL BILLIONS more than the previous year.

Not meeting your own projections is not losing actual money.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by bronco67

No one should think Republicans have been working on -- or will be working on any kind of plan to replace ACA. They just want to put a knife through Obamacare, and that's it. Their heart is not in creating healthcare for people -- it's in taking bribes from insurance lobbies.

They tried so many times over the last several years, but they knew their vote would get vetoed by a democratic president. Now that they have full control, let's see if they have the balls to uproot this beast and take on something they're woefully not prepared for --- to look out for the interests of others. Going to be interesting to watch the dog figure out what to do with the firetruck he finally caught.

The insurance lobbies created ACA. Tell me again how it is republicans are taking bribes? Why would any company be against a law that mandates every citizen buy something from you? Especially a law they wrote. BTW there is a republican working on a replacement I've already mentioned his name several times.

[john1975]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The current plan mandates we buy from those corrupt corporations you despise so much. Wouldn't eliminating state boarders as far as healthcare is concerned promoting competition and personal incentives rather than fines be a much better solution? Why not get behind a practical solution rather than playing negative nancy because 1 thing that's for sure ACA is going away.

that's what Obama wanted, and he put his whole reputation on the line in his first few years as president to get the BEST possible healthcare scenario for the country. But guess who poo-poo'd everything and prevented this? yup, your friendly Republican congressmen. It got soo watered down by the time it was done. So that people like you, can do like your doing now and blaming HIM for something Republicans did.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by john1975

that's what Obama wanted, and he put his whole reputation on the line in his first few years as president to get the BEST possible healthcare scenario for the country. But guess who poo-poo'd everything and prevented this? yup, your friendly Republican congressmen. It got soo watered down by the time it was done. So that people like you, can do like your doing now and blaming HIM for something Republicans did.

You're talking to a guy who was just shown the insurance companies have made BILLIONS in profits hand over fist last year but tells us they're losing money

He's been posting anti Obamacare rhetoric threads for years. Reality doesn't fit his programming.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by john1975

that's what Obama wanted, and he put his whole reputation on the line in his first few years as president to get the BEST possible healthcare scenario for the country. But guess who poo-poo'd everything and prevented this? yup, your friendly Republican congressmen. It got soo watered down by the time it was done. So that people like you, can do like your doing now and blaming HIM for something Republicans did.

Bullshit, obviously if Obama wanted it he would have gotten it. Because of the quote I mentioned earlier "We'll find out what's in it after it's passed." Obama put a bunch of lobbyist in a room and had them come up with ACA and then it was rammed through before anyone could read it. They didn't give the bill to anyone until something like 24 hours before the vote. Because they wanted no negotiations.

[john1975]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're talking to a guy who was just shown the insurance companies have made BILLIONS in profits hand over fist last year but tells us they're losing money

He's been posting anti Obamacare rhetoric threads for years. Reality doesn't fit his programming.

thanks for the heads up.

starting to realize it now. he doesn't even listen....typical Republican.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It's really going to ruffle your feathers when Paul proposes an actual sensible plan isn't it? Obama's legacy disaster of a bill gone and replaced by a republican.

Obamacare seems to be working. More people than ever are covered.

My healthcare went from $1200 a month to $0. Perfect.

The Republican party had eight years to come up with a replacement. And they didn't bother. The Republican party is going about this all wrong. If your car gets a flat, you dont' replace the car. Fix what is wrong. What's going to happen is they are going to replace it, it won't have some of the features everyone wants, and it will cost just as much.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

The only business thread I could find he started was this one in 2012 and the email contact domain is expired.

Everything else is basically anti Obama healthcare in 2013 anti Democrat rah rah rah

Yea it's obviously a JoushaMo alt or who ever the obsessed conservatard is with all these fake alts.. I go with Joushamo because he's the biggest rager here and these fake nicks always show up in topics he avoids.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Obamacare seems to be working. More people than ever are covered.

My healthcare went from $1200 a month to $0. Perfect.

The Republican party had eight years to come up with a replacement. And they didn't bother. The Republican party is going about this all wrong. If your car gets a flat, you dont' replace the car. Fix what is wrong. What's going to happen is they are going to replace it, it won't have some of the features everyone wants, and it will cost just as much.

Once again parroting a fake and false narrative perpetuated by Black Jesus and Democrats. There were plenty of alternatives that were never allowed to the floor by Reid.

Its one thing for you fucking idiots to be biased... we all are. It's another thing entirely to live in an alternate world where you can just say wrong and fake shit over and over until your own team believes it to be fact.

Funny all you morons gather under the banner of "why do the other guys lie" as you sit here and jerk each other off in an alternate reality while parroting the same old lies to each other.

Seriously? The Republicans Have No Health Plan?

Republicans Offer Obamacare Alternative

Why not ask "why do Democrats lie" ... oh yeah, thats right! all you fuckwits who believe you stand for truth and justice exclude yourselves and your team from the process of supposedly "pointing out hypocrisy"....

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by crockett

the latest lies our of trump and ryans mouths are that obamacare is in a death spiral and failing under its own weight.

No matter if you like it or not, it's been a success. Sure it needs tweeks, but they are trying to convince the simpletons it's failing so they can repel it with no replacement.

Republicans have no plan at all nor do they intend to replace it. They want to end it and that will be that.

The insurance companies will then have a massive field day denying people insurance. They will claim they have to write new plans and anyone with a serious pre-existing health issue will be denied a new plan.

Even republican state governors are scared to death because if obamacare is repelled their states will take the brunt of it.

Meanwhile dumbfucks in dc are lying to the simpletons who are too stupid to realize it's them who will also lose their health insurance.

all politicians lie.

Grow up!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

all politicians lie.

Grow up!

Not like this. Republicans literally will lie to your face about shit that is easily proven as lies.

I knew this would be the standard wing bat response.. Every time the right does stupid shit you can't deny or explain away you guys always pull the "both sides do it" card..

Just man up and say you don't care that they lie to you as long as it's what you want to hear.. That's the actual truth.

[Speigelau]

Great to see the first episode of Crockett and Friends was a huge success on MSNBC. Can't wait to see what the topic of the next one will be.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by crockett

This is why you are so easily lied to. You are brainwashed to believe everything even health insurance is a partisan issue. I would tell you to wake the fuck up, but you are too stupid to realize you have had the wool pulled over your eyes. Then of course there is a 50% chance you are just another fake troll account..

What are you babbling about? Laughing at your inability to see that you're just the other side of the same dirty coin means I've "had the wool pulled over my eyes"?

[escorpio]

[crockett]

Originally Posted by escorpio

What are you babbling about? Laughing at your inability to see that you're just the other side of the same dirty coin means I've "had the wool pulled over my eyes"?

Democrats do not hold majority power. They haven't in Congress for over 2 years and now do not hold the WH. The Democrats have very little to do with policy at this point and time, so it's rather useless to complain about them, they are not the ones creating policy, they can only vote for or against/block it..

You are just typical stooge who thinks because I call out your team, then I must be the enemy. Democrats don't even control 1/3 of the govt so why would I need to complain about them?

Meanwhile you ramble on complaining about Democrats who are not in power.. why are you so biased?

[john1975]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Funny all you morons gather under the banner of "why do the other guys lie" as you sit here and jerk each other off in an alternate reality while parroting the same old lies to each other.

Seriously? The Republicans Have No Health Plan?

Republicans Offer Obamacare Alternative

how long did that take u to find on google? dream on guy...those articles are from 2013 and 2014. They have no plan, never will ...and you're just as idiotic as them , the way they dream sht up, and talk out of their ass. the same thing ALLLLL Republicans do each and every day...to continue getting paid off, for serving the interests of other. Their all phoney, paid-off , pieces of sht... that talk out of their ass. Just like yourself.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by john1975

how long did that take u to find on google? dream on guy...those articles are from 2013 and 2014. They have no plan, never will ...and you're just as idiotic as them , the way they dream sht up, and talk out of their ass. the same thing ALLLLL Republicans do each and every day...to continue getting paid off, for serving the interests of other. Their all phoney, paid-off , pieces of sht... that talk out of their ass. Just like yourself.