AFFILIATES: Describe the perfect affiliate system.

[NALEM]

In light of all the BS that you all have personally experienced (knowingly or not), what business conditions would you consider to be reasonably fair to both the program owners and yourselves?

Cookies set for X days

Payout minimum is _______

Payout methods should include _____________

Who covers the chargebacks and fees?

Transparency in tracking and accounting. What suggestions do you have?

Initial sale revenue split should be ______

Rebills should be at __________ split


GFY, did I fail to mention something? Feel free to post your own thoughts.

[TheDynasty]

The company in my sig has the best of all

[NALEM]

Using mobile I cannot see sig's. Personally Im looking for a specific list of qualities.

[NatalieK]

like thedynasty, i´d suggest my program with ModelCentro, paying by many types inc. firstchoice with a 50% recurring payout, keeping it simple, the affiliate & I earn...

NatalieKash

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NALEM

In light of all the BS that you all have personally experienced (knowingly or not), what business conditions would you consider to be reasonably fair to both the program owners and yourselves?

Cookies set for X days

Payout minimum is _______

Payout methods should include _____________

Who covers the chargebacks and fees?

Transparency in tracking and accounting. What suggestions do you have?

Initial sale revenue split should be ______

Rebills should be at __________ split


GFY, did I fail to mention something? Feel free to post your own thoughts.

what exactly is an affiliate for you?

group a: someone who have a website and want to monetize his traffic alone?
group b: media buyers without own sites

depend on where you see your focus you will get EXTREMLY different answers

[Kafka]

Having a mobile version and quality regularly updated promocontent which is easy to export.

[RyuLion]

Cookies expire after 30 days at least.

Payout minimum is $25 (if ccbill) (most programs offer $50)

Payout methods should include ACH, Wire, snail mail, International Wire, paxum

Who covers the chargebacks and fees?
Affiliate and program split the processing fee. Know body gets credit from chargebacks or refunds or voids.

Transparency in tracking and accounting. What suggestions do you have?
ccbill and one other. (sliing, nats, or mpa3 stats)

Initial sale revenue split should be 50% (high volume sales bump revshare accounts to 60% permanently)

Rebills should be at 50% split (high volume sales bump revshare accounts to 60% permanently)

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Transparency in tracking and accounting. What suggestions do you have?

Alex, thanks for your feedback. Anyone else got an opinion they are willing to share?

Of course as an affiliate, I would be looking for as high % of a payout as possible but personally as a business developer, it's near impossible for the business to survive let alone make real money, if I'm to really commit 50-60% to the affiliate. By the time other expenses are factored in, the business nets less than 10%.

If I was an affiliate I would gladly net 20-30% of all sales, as long as no cheating was going on.

This is the biggest open question for me is transparency. Should there be a trusted 3rd party service, responsible for "certifying" the programming code to ensure proper tracking is taking place? What about a accounting firm to regularly audit the payment records.

How feasible is that scenario? Are there existing companies doing such things now for the affiliate based programs?

[femdomdestiny]

Cookies: 30 days
Payout: $25 if it is not already processed by CCBill
Payout methods: paxum, wire, check ( I don't care about the First Choice, they suck)
Fees: covered by sponsor (because it is pain in the ass to split fees.Sponsor can give smaller % of sales instead of splitting fees, that sounds better and easier)
Transparency: Nats and CCBill
Initial sale revenue split: %50
Rebills should be at: %50

Automatic newsletter so whenever content is updated, the webmaster will get the email. Newsletter includes already integrated affiliate link and long text description. (at least 200 words or more)

[LouiseLloyd]

An HONEST one!

[mopek1]

One that converts ... and then pays.

Not much else matters these days to me.

[j3rkules]

Cookies: 30 days atleast
Payout: $30
Payout methods: paxum, payooner, wire, check
Transparency: CCBill
Initial sale revenue split: %50
Rebills should be at: %50

Of course, html and gif banners should be included.

[faxxaff]

Childish discussion about cookies and minimal payouts?

No serious affiliate cares about cookies or 25$ checks. Any tracking system based on cookies is going to lose affiliates at least 30% of their sales. Why even promote such programs?

[NALEM]

Respectfully I disagree. What may be trivial for you is not for someone else. There are whales which see 10,000 USD weekly payouts, and there are those who just started out or have limited skills and/or funds, who anxiously waiting for their 25 USD.

Regarding cookies, I remember when Jasmin/Live Jasmin as part of their enormous media buying, was doing stuffing cookies that were stored for approximately 9 months.

Anyways thanks for the comment, and I look forward to seeing more input.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NALEM

Regarding cookies, I remember when Jasmin/Live Jasmin as part of their enormous media buying, was doing stuffing cookies that were stored for approximately 9 months.

i think this is exactly what he meant. not only the affiliate programms can spread cookies - there are a lot of spreaders outside doing the same.

thats why i would never promote a programm with a longer cookie TTL than 24 hours.

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by thommy

what exactly is an affiliate for you?

group a: someone who have a website and want to monetize his traffic alone?
group b: media buyers without own sites

depend on where you see your focus you will get EXTREMLY different answers

Thommy you are correct, and I am very open to hearing both sides on this.

Originally Posted by Kafka

Having a mobile version and quality regularly updated promocontent which is easy to export.

You expect too much Kafka. Just joking.

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Cookies: 30 days
Payout: $25 if it is not already processed by CCBill
Payout methods: paxum, wire, check ( I don't care about the First Choice, they suck)
Fees: covered by sponsor (because it is pain in the ass to split fees.Sponsor can give smaller % of sales instead of splitting fees, that sounds better and easier)
Transparency: Nats and CCBill
Initial sale revenue split: %50
Rebills should be at: %50

Automatic newsletter so whenever content is updated, the webmaster will get the email. Newsletter includes already integrated affiliate link and long text description. (at least 200 words or more)

The regular newsletter/update for the affiliates. That is so important. I am surprised how many programs don't do it. Great reminder.

Originally Posted by LouiseLloyd

An HONEST one!

Would one that regulary goes to confession count?

Originally Posted by mopek1

One that converts ... and then pays.

Not much else matters these days to me.

Mopek, you are a simple man, with simple needs.

Originally Posted by j3rkules

Cookies: 30 days atleast
Payout: $30
Payout methods: paxum, payooner, wire, check
Transparency: CCBill
Initial sale revenue split: %50
Rebills should be at: %50

Of course, html and gif banners should be included.

Originally Posted by thommy

i think this is exactly what he meant. not only the affiliate programms can spread cookies - there are a lot of spreaders outside doing the same.

thats why i would never promote a programm with a longer cookie TTL than 24 hours.

J3rkules and Thommy -> one of you is looking at 30 days +, and the other 24 hours maximum. I think this warrants a bit more discussion. Would love to hear more about your position on cookies.

[CHMOD]

Hi Nalem,

I can help you out building a solid affiliate program. Just hit me up if you want to discuss business.

[XMaster]

We have launched a survey to know affiliates needs. We'll publich results at the end of the month;

It could help answering your question

check out GFY thread: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...s-welcome.html

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by NALEM

AFFILIATES: Describe the perfect affiliate system.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by NALEM

What may be trivial for you is not for someone else. There are whales which see 10,000 USD weekly payouts, and there are those who just started out or have limited skills and/or funds, who anxiously waiting for their 25 USD.

How can loss of revenue be trivial? Cookies have a lot of technical limitations. Read up on Shap's older posts where he explains how affiliates lost revenue on Twistys.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NALEM

J3rkules and Thommy -> one of you is looking at 30 days +, and the other 24 hours maximum. I think this warrants a bit more discussion. Would love to hear more about your position on cookies.

well the position is easy and a result of 20 years adult biz.
cookies are the best way to fuck (honest) affiliates and to fuck an affiliate programm on the long term.

we all know how many cookies spreaders are out there i just saw this days one with a popunder what included 95.000 cookies in the footer.

if you allow a longrun cookie, affiliates will not make money with your product and stop to promote them because they can switch to any other with no cookie or a policy what handles affiliate link over cookie. in the last case i ask myself why a cookie is nessecary.

the most case were a cookie makes sense is when a user keeps a landingpage in the background for a few hours. but after he close his browser he will not find the way back to this landing exept he got send from an affiliate again.

if you think about the sense of a cookie you will never get to the result, that an affiliate who have send the user 2 weeks ago is more or in any way responsable for a sale.
the one who actually send the user is the one - and if HE does not have a reason to send him (because he knows about cookies) he will not do it.

on longterm that fucks the affiliate programm and when the affiliate programm is fucked all the honest affiliates are fucked too because they will not get paid anymore from a dead programm.

marketing is kind of war - and a war is not won by the first strike it is won by the last strike. only that creates enough competition and challanges for everyone who is willing to get his ass out of the bed to work.

the other point is that affiliate marketing the way it was yesterday is dead.
there is a handful big boys left who are generating MASSES of traffic AND market it
but the majority of them is just focused on either generating traffic OR market traffic.

one medium mediabuyer is replacing 500 small affiliate-traffic-webmasters and here it makes sense and safe costs for an affiliate programm to invest.

none of this guys will ask you to lower a minimum payout from 100 to 50 dollars and none of them will promote you if he knows that you have a cookie policy (except he is a cookie spreader).

the right concept for every affiliate programm is to comapre with the security announcement in a plane: help yourself before you help other passengers. because a dead affiliate programm does not have any value for anybody.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by NALEM

The regular newsletter/update for the affiliates. That is so important. I am surprised how many programs don't do it. Great reminder.

Yes, most of sponsors are not doing it. Sponsors should be aware that there is a big competition. There are too much info flowing around. Webmasters are lazy and will give more exposure to info coming directly in their inbox.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Yes, most of sponsors are not doing it. Sponsors should be aware that there is a big competition. There are too much info flowing around. Webmasters are lazy and will give more exposure to info coming directly in their inbox.

Make sure to check your spam folder. Most sponsors' mails go straight there.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Make sure to check your spam folder. Most sponsors' mails go straight there.

True..