Le Pen Defines Globalization: "manufacturing by slaves for selling to the unemployed"

[wehateporn]

France election: Far-right's Le Pen rails against globalisation

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen has launched her presidential election manifesto with a speech in Lyon which railed against globalisation.

The candidate of the anti-immigration National Front (FN) attacked both "economic and financial globalisation" and "the jihadist globalisation taking root on our territory".

Her party is promising to offer France a referendum on EU membership.

France goes to the polls on 23 April in one of the most open races in decades.

Continued France election: Far-right's Le Pen rails against globalisation - BBC News

[Coup]

Thank you, based Marine

[RandyRandy]

That's Madame President Le Pen. Fillon est fini

[pimpmaster9000]

manufacturing by robots for selling to the unemployed would be more precise...

[onwebcam]

Why any of you think Bannon who's net worth is 10 million.. Less than Obama's net worth, less than 1% of Trump is the boss of Trump, is simply ridiculous. Just what Trump paid himself in salary he made Bannon's entire net worth in 10 weeks. Bannon is an advisor. Nothing more.

[Brad Mitchell]

She's right.

Brad

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

She's right.

Brad

Sad to see you approve the resident Nazis on this board tbh

[Barry-xlovecam]

Yes, LePen is a real POS

[Brad Mitchell]

I don't know her or her politics, I clicked on the article and agreed with this general statement of hers: "Globalisation, she said, meant "manufacturing by slaves for selling to the unemployed"

Brad

[Barry-xlovecam]

[Brad Mitchell]

Oh shit, yeah. I don't agree with any of their politics after reading about the National Front:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

I haven't changed to any wrong world view.

Brad

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by StefanG

Sad to see you approve the resident Nazis on this board tbh

The only nazis I see on this forum are those who support people trying to kill a jewish gay guy for giving a speech

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Oh shit, yeah. I don't agree with any of their politics after reading about the National Front:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

I haven't changed to any wrong world view.

Brad

she is one of the ugliest haters in europe.

She preaches national pride in a country where everyone has 200% too much of it.

national pride make people hate each other because everyone want to be first.
it is not easy to find ways for a better together and it means that everyone have to be ready for compromises - but a unperfect together is always better than a perfect against each other.

it is kind of funny to watch all this nationalist politicians seems to be in brotherhood. but in fact it will be a bit complicated when they reach what they want and everyone wants his country first. do you think they will share the throwne or dice who may be the first in the next month?

greetings
thommy

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by thommy

she is one of the ugliest haters in europe.

She preaches national pride in a country where everyone has 200% too much of it.

national pride make people hate each other because everyone want to be first.
it is not easy to find ways for a better together and it means that everyone have to be ready for compromises - but a unperfect together is always better than a perfect against each other.

it is kind of funny to watch all this nationalist politicians seems to be in brotherhood. but in fact it will be a bit complicated when they reach what they want and everyone wants his country first. do you think they will share the throwne or dice who may be the first in the next month?

greetings
thommy

She does spew hateful things. No clue what's next for the world, it seems only the central banks continue to win.

Brad

[xKingx]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I don't know her or her politics, I clicked on the article and agreed with this general statement of hers: "Globalisation, she said, meant "manufacturing by slaves for selling to the unemployed"

Brad

Don't mind MaDalton, he is a white man that is guilty of being white. That is one mistake my country USA did to the Germans. They made them guilty of being German :-(

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by StefanG

Sad to see you approve the resident Nazis on this board tbh

Name-calling is the lowest type of argument in a disagreement, why not try to refute the legitimate criticisms of globalization? Name-calling should be left on the playground, time to up your game Stefan.



"Name calling is a cognitive bias and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears or arouse positive prejudices with the intent that invoked fear (based on fear mongering tactics) or trust will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion, in respect to the former, or a positive opinion, with respect to the latter, about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to believe. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When this tactic is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_calling

[thommy]

Originally Posted by xKingx

Don't mind MaDalton, he is a white man that is guilty of being white. That is one mistake my country USA did to the Germans. They made them guilty of being German :-(

I completely understand your message between the lines and YES you are right with what you want to say with that.

especially Germans know very well what it means when political correctness unables you to say what you think - and so far I also understand the reaction of the americans on a person line trump who gives a flying fuck on that.

amercia is in many cases also such a country - not in regards of the history or a lost war but in regards of a centuries old problem between black and white.
the political correctness in that case was so overdriven, that a white man had even a problem to say "I want to buy a black pair of shoes".

that is something what I COMPLETELY understand and what I have seen comming 20 years ago already.

infact this complete move to the right is a direct consequence of trying to close peoples mouth with "political correctness rules". that can not work forever and there is no reservoir in the world what can hold a pressure what´s getting stronger and stronger every day. one day it will explode.

my point on that is, that such an explosion will not destroy only this issues what have to be changed. any explosion have uncontrollable consequences and it can also cause an avalanche what leads us into chaos.

i personally never understood why i should not call a black person black but they can call me white. i never understood why i can insult peaople from my own race and the can insult each other by call themself "hahahahahaha" but as soon it is in a mixed constellation the white person is more in trouble.

YES - that all i can understand. but this hate on stupid existing rules should not make us enemies and throw us into chaos. it also should not make us blind on one eye only.

fact is, that we have this overpressure in the realtion between races and nations. the situation is in fact the same as when you cook with a pressure cooker. if you open it before the pressure is out slowly, it will explode and injure yourself.

trump is opening this pressure cooker - and he is not in the mental position to estimate the consequences. that makes him so fuckin fucking dangerous for the world and for all americans.

and if this part of angry americans doesn´t wake up and see the truth we all (and that includes americans) will be in a big an irreversable trouble.

greetings
thommy

[thommy]

Originally Posted by thommy

i personally never understood why i should not call a black person black but they can call me white. i never understood why i can insult peaople from my own race and the can insult each other by call themself "hahahahahaha" but as soon it is in a mixed constellation the white person is more in trouble.

btw: this is exactly what i mean with overdriven political correctness - because i did NOT write hahaha - we are already there that you can´t even use the n-word in an EXPLAINING matter and not in a offensive or insulting.

you will not see a autocorrection here if i write "fucking gay" or "disgusting lesbian" and i even will not be censored when i write that i kill every mexican what i see or even trump. but i can not right a word what is nothing else than the spanish word for black.

greetings
thommy

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by xKingx

Don't mind MaDalton, he is a white man that is guilty of being white. That is one mistake my country USA did to the Germans. They made them guilty of being German :-(

I'm perfectly fine with being german, i will always oppose nationalism and racism.

An Le Pen is a nationalist and racist piece of shit.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Name-calling is the lowest type of argument in a disagreement, why not try to refute the legitimate criticisms of globalization? Name-calling should be left on the playground, time to up your game Stefan.

I have absolutely zero respect for a piece of shit like you and i happily say it right to your face in person.

Ps: i reserve the name calling to only a few select people, you made that list

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by StefanG

I have absolutely zero respect for a piece of shit like you and i happily say it right to your face in person.

Ps: i reserve the name calling to only a few select people, you made that list

The world around you is changing, it's making you angry and frustrated, you are looking for individuals to use as punchbags to take your anger out on. Take your anger out on me for sure, if that makes you feel better, I'm a tolerant and giving guy, I'll be your punchbag.

I spend my time exposing the corruption of big industry and politicians in a attempt to make the world a better place, I'm just the messenger here, try not to forget that, at the same time I understand if you can't see beyond the messenger, the issues I raise often aren't pleasant and can make people see red.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Half of our company is located in Marseilles. Le Pen is well hated by my French colleagues. Of course, we are not a nationalist organization. We are a global business and have persons of all races and creeds working for us.

wehateporn will now tell us what a great guy Attila the Hun was

[PornoStar69]

puppets EVERYWHERE.

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by StefanG

I have absolutely zero respect for a piece of shit like you and i happily say it right to your face in person.

Ps: i reserve the name calling to only a few select people, you made that list

I doubt he will ever come to an adult business event.

[Sarn]

Turning Europe into the Middle East will stop or not?
Marine le pen first female president of France! Sounds good!

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by thommy

especially Germans know very well what it means when political correctness unables you to say what you think

Not saying one thing is one thing... but saying another thing is another thing...

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Hillary rhetoric

The Russians are coming is a phrase attributed to United States Secretary of Defense James Forrestal in 1949. In full, Forrestal said "The Russians are coming. The Russians are coming. They?re right around. I?ve seen Russian soldiers."

Forrestal allegedly uttered those words while suffering from mental illness, not long before purportedly committing suicide. The allegation originated with Forrestal's bitter political enemy, columnist Drew Pearson, and has been verified by no other person. This is what Townsend Hoopes and Douglas Brinkley have to say about the episode in their 1992 book, Driven Patriot, the Life and Times of James Forrestal:

Pearson had, in fact, decided to fire his heaviest ammunition in a radio broadcast on April 9. He charged that Forrestal, awakened by the sound of a fire siren (on the night of April 1 at Hobe Sound), had rushed out of his cottage screaming, ?The Russians are attacking.? He defined Forrestal?s condition as ?temporary insanity.? In subsequent newspaper columns he asserted that Forrestal made three suicide attempts while in Florida ? by drug overdose, by hanging, and by slashing his wrists. According to a later statement by [Navy psychiatrist Captain George] Raines, all of these assertions were lies.
? pp. 455?456.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russians_are_coming

[Barry-xlovecam]

WTF does Hillary have to do with this?

There was mania on both the American and Russian sides after WW2.


Stalin's successor ...

[BestOnlinesex]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Oh shit, yeah. I don't agree with any of their politics after reading about the National Front:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

I haven't changed to any wrong world view.

Brad

Yes indeed, their views are pretty hardcore racist.
I'm with you though on your initial statement, she's right on that specific matter.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

WTF does Hillary have to do with this?

"New" Mccarthyism i think

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by BestOnlinesex

I'm with you though on your initial statement, she's right on that specific matter.

It's an excellent quote, and the reason I made the thread

I haven't yet looked into how much in common Le Pen has with Trump and Brexit, both of which I strongly support, and if she is actually racist or if that's just a smear being used against her by the media. Maybe a GFYer from France can chip in.

If she's meant to be racist based on the below, then the racism allegation is BS

"The French authorities opened a case against Mrs Le Pen in 2011 after she likened the sight of Muslims praying in the streets to the Nazi occupation of France. "

French nationalist Marine Le Pen faces racism charges - BBC News

[wehateporn]

[BestOnlinesex]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's an excellent quote, and the reason I made the thread

I haven't yet looked into how much in common Le Pen has with Trump and Brexit, both of which I strongly support, and if she is actually racist or if that's just a smear being used against her by the media. Maybe a GFYer from France can chip in.

If she's meant to be racist based on the below, then the racism allegation is BS

"The French authorities opened a case against Mrs Le Pen in 2011 after she likened the sight of Muslims praying in the streets to the Nazi occupation of France. "

French nationalist Marine Le Pen faces racism charges - BBC News

There's been quite a few incidents over the years, with people from her organization acting pretty much like the KKK.
Her dad who was head of the party for the longest time is mostly known for his racist slur.
definitely not good people in my book.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by StefanG

Sad to see you approve the resident Nazis on this board tbh

Because anti globalism = nazi.

Idiot.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Oh shit, yeah. I don't agree with any of their politics after reading about the National Front:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

I haven't changed to any wrong world view.

Brad

Lol, another one shamed into "right" ways by libbies/leftards/traitors.

Weak minds are easily guilted by globalist narrative pushing "dass waciss" agenda.

Look at that pathetic "og shit" , my bad, sorry I dared to think on my own at first.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by BestOnlinesex

Yes indeed, their views are pretty hardcore racist.
I'm with you though on your initial statement, she's right on that specific matter.

Her views are nationalistic, not racist. It amazes me how people do not see the difference (thanks due to globalist media shaming nationalists).

[JFK]

"manufacturing by slaves for selling to the unemployed"

Too true

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Because anti globalism = nazi.

Idiot.

fanatical sect does not understand the arguments

[Brad Mitchell]

Just so we're all clear:

1) I'm not a Nazi, fascist, racist or xenophobe.
2) I believe it is reasonable for any sovereign nation to negotiate in its best interests globally, as has been done for millennia. I don't want one world government or rule. I don't think there is any political system in the world that works well enough. I present no solution for a working democratic rule of law. I am hopeful, however, that we can all live in free and just societies.
3) Regardless of her political beliefs or other issues, I do agree with her statement that globalism is slaves making things for the unemployed. I live in Detroit, Michigan. We used to make things here. Now things are made elsewhere by people earning slave wages in unsafe environments and sold back to us at Walmart and everywhere else. Wallstreet does fine but the middle class and working class which we so proudly created has been eroded. We created the middle class right here in Detroit, Michigan with Henry Ford's $5 per day wage. The "middle class" did not previously exist at any other time in history until the 1900s, only before was there a small mercantile class and oligarch types. That's how my history books read. Goods, these goods made basically by slaves, are sold back to our unemployed and underemployed who used to make the same things. All of this is fully subsidized by our middle and upper classes because there are no manufacturing jobs for unskilled and uneducated workers anymore. For the nation I live in, there must be a better solution. Same for other 1st world countries. Relative to 2nd and 3rd world countries, they must have similar and different concerns, ranging from how they are exploited, governed and more.
4) I like to wear painted shirts.
5) Go Fuck Yourselves

Cheers,

Brad

[xKingx]

Originally Posted by StefanG

I'm perfectly fine with being german, i will always oppose nationalism and racism.

An Le Pen is a nationalist and racist piece of shit.

I hate racist people also. We agree on that. What I am talking about as an athiest. We finally got Christian to act somewhat civil. Why let millions of muslims that are 3 or 4 centuries behind us in thought, and breed more than the host population. That is not a good thing to me. Now if it were mexicans or japanese flooding Germany, I would not say anything.

I know I give you hell from time to time, I really mean it in good fun. Not to be taken seriously. Can me meet at least somewhat in the middle on this lol

[Bladewire]

Anti globalist supporting billionaire Trump with 2 multinational corporations and over 200 businesses worldwide who hired multimillionaire Secretary of state who's president of the largest multinational corporation on the planet, Exxon..... FUCKING idiots.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Well it's not such a black and white issue as most would like it to be. One thing is for sure - shouting "-isms" and insulting each other day and night won't ever make it better in any way.

I don't stand for the current status quo at all since I figure that the current mainstream politics is so far away from the original dictionary definition of politics that even discussing it gets absurd. From what I understand, the original purpose of politics should be serving its citizens, it should benefit the public - be it workers, business owners, families etc. That's why a politician is called a public servant.

Let's say the basic human needs are prosperity aka food on the table, security and being respected.

Now if the political establishment can't assure this, and what's worse not even address this and pretend that everything is great. If it even starts to silence the opposition voice and arrogantly label everyone who disagrees with the status quo as "uneducated" "extremist" or whatever else "-ist" and lynch them using political correctness then they may have a problem. Then you simply reach the point where these three basic needs are not met and not addressed with so many people already, that you can't keep the status quo anymore.

Much better question is - is it a regular state of things, once a nationalist movement that, 20 years ago would hardly make it past the 10 pct. vote, often sounds more like a common sense politics than the current mainstream politics?

Is it a regular state of things once these are pretty much the only parties in opposition that are addressing these basic human needs?

Movements that may always carry a hidden or simply dilletant agenda in their programs that my turn out to be highly problematic?

Definitely not - but that's not the problem of these nationalist movements, that's the problem of the establishment politics that forgot it should also care about its citizens and their basic needs:

Not to push backdoor deals with big corp and big banks that result in losing tax revenue and employment - does this benefit the public? NO (prosperity)

Not to flood the countries with unregulated migration from some of the most problematic places in the world - does this benefit the public? NO (security)

And last and not least - not to divide and label its own opposing citizens as "extremists" the opposition as "populist" and trying to silence them all using the cult of political correctness - does this benefit the public? NO (respect)

Idiots like David Cameron with zero life experience and no compassion with citizens felt so all mighty that they may have started a domino effect with disastrous consequences. They say that the first step in order to fix a problem is to admit that there is one in the first place. But that's not happening, and as long as it won't happen this backlash will continue.

[Barry-xlovecam]

^^ fail ^^^^

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Name-calling is the lowest type of argument in a disagreement, why not try to refute the legitimate criticisms of globalization? Name-calling should be left on the playground, time to up your game Stefan.

He's a usury activist. He beleives that the Jewish people are superior to his own people, and that the Jewish people should absolutely rule over the rest of us.

Brad
thommy
whatever

[Barry-xlovecam]

^^^^^^^idiot ^^^^^^

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Her views are nationalistic, not racist. It amazes me how people do not see the difference (thanks due to globalist media shaming nationalists).

Precisely this. Well, if you says something enough times,it becomes truth for many people.
That woman wants her country back.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Just so we're all clear:

1) I'm not a Nazi, fascist, racist or xenophobe.
2) I believe it is reasonable for any sovereign nation to negotiate in its best interests globally, as has been done for millennia. I don't want one world government or rule. I don't think there is any political system in the world that works well enough. I present no solution for a working democratic rule of law. I am hopeful, however, that we can all live in free and just societies.
3) Regardless of her political beliefs or other issues, I do agree with her statement that globalism is slaves making things for the unemployed. I live in Detroit, Michigan. We used to make things here. Now things are made elsewhere by people earning slave wages in unsafe environments and sold back to us at Walmart and everywhere else. Wallstreet does fine but the middle class and working class which we so proudly created has been eroded. We created the middle class right here in Detroit, Michigan with Henry Ford's $5 per day wage. The "middle class" did not previously exist at any other time in history until the 1900s, only before was there a small mercantile class and oligarch types. That's how my history books read. Goods, these goods made basically by slaves, are sold back to our unemployed and underemployed who used to make the same things. All of this is fully subsidized by our middle and upper classes because there are no manufacturing jobs for unskilled and uneducated workers anymore. For the nation I live in, there must be a better solution. Same for other 1st world countries. Relative to 2nd and 3rd world countries, they must have similar and different concerns, ranging from how they are exploited, governed and more.
4) I like to wear painted shirts.
5) Go Fuck Yourselves

Cheers,

Brad

Problem is Brad that the statement in question is populist bullshit. No matter whether it is wittered by a neo-nazi in Europe, or repeated by intellectually indolent folks that should know better on internet forums.

Globalisation is NOT slaves making stuff for the unemployed. Its a catchy slogan, and the less sophisticated amongst us will clearly lap this shit up all day long.

A few facts;

a) Globalisation has delivered an enormous rise in living standards for hundreds of millions of people around the world. China, India, the Tiger economies of Asia, Central and South America, and Eastern Europe have all benefited from the vast investment in infrastructure and manufacturing capacity. Millions now have food, sanitation, healthcare, education etc etc that would never have existed without globalisation.

There will always be bad apples that mistreat their staff, but for the majority the word slave is not appropriate.

Those millions of people are now potential customers. You ask the marketing departments of luxury western brands where their biggest market is. You ask Boeing where their growth is forecast to be. You ask Coca Cola, Rolls Royce, BMW, Rolex, Johnnie Walker, smart companies that make products that people want are reaping the benefits of globalisation. Coal miners in the rust belt and truck makers from Detroit not so much.

Its called change and it has always happened. The poor have always been there. They will always be there.

b) The West has benefited on a vast scale. Western companies and financial institutions are earning countless billions from their investments in low cost manufacturing. Stockholders, pension funds, traders, insurance companies, brokers, and basically any individual with money in a financial institution has benefited from the efficiency of globalisation.

There is a very strong argument that says even more of these profits should benefit the ordinary guy - The way that Google / Apple et al behave in order to reduce their taxes is frankly revolting. These are taxes that the US needs. If the likes of Apple paid what they really owed then the govt debt and the tax burden on individuals could be reduced.

c) The living standards we enjoy in the West are 100% the result of globalisation. It is fashionable now to use the word in a derogatory manner - but we owe everything to globalisation. Decent reliable cars, cheap plentiful food, white goods that are cheaper now than they were 20 years ago, IT that now delivers every aspect of your life. None of these thing would be possible with out globalisation.

Some of you wont remember the malaise of the 1970's ( Markham maybe ) but the 70's and 80's are when the west realised that subsidising heavy industries that made things that people did not want was fruitless. Detroit does not make cars anymore because the product was rubbish, the unions were too powerful for change, and the Japanese did it better. Are you suggesting that the Japanese were slaves ?

Globalisation was not some vicious plan concocted by evil Soros / illuminati types in order to enslave the people. Globalisation is the inevitable result of man kinds endeavours. Globalisation is what you get when you have container ships that can deliver goods anywhere in the world at an incredibly low unit price. Globalisation is what you get when opportunity for profit and modern transport meet to deliver a better product for the consumer.

A few more facts :

Trump will not get people burning coal again.

Trump will not persuade US consumers to buy expensive poor quality items.

Trump will not force China ( or any other country ) to do things they dont want to do.

Trump will not undo 40 years of automation.

Trump will not stop Uber from running driverless cars.

Trump will not take his tongue out of Pootins ring piece.

Protectionism of US industries will make them even less efficient, protectionism of US industries via levies and regulations will result in stagnation and zero investment. However protectionism make Trumps new buddies in Wall St and the oil Biz even more richer than they already are.


The west is doing just fine, America is not broken, Globalisation is not a dirty word. Trump the arch capitalist has sold you a pig in a waistcoat, the ultimate snake oil - a cure for a problem you dont even fucking have.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Problem is Brad that the statement in question is populist bullshit. No matter whether it is wittered by a neo-nazi in Europe, or repeated by intellectually indolent folks that should know better on internet forums.

Globalisation is NOT slaves making stuff for the unemployed. Its a catchy slogan, and the less sophisticated amongst us will clearly lap this shit up all day long.

A few facts;

a) Globalisation has delivered an enormous rise in living standards for hundreds of millions of people around the world. China, India, the Tiger economies of Asia, Central and South America, and Eastern Europe have all benefited from the vast investment in infrastructure and manufacturing capacity. Millions now have food, sanitation, healthcare, education etc etc that would never have existed without globalisation.

There will always be bad apples that mistreat their staff, but for the majority the word slave is not appropriate.

Those millions of people are now potential customers. You ask the marketing departments of luxury western brands where their biggest market is. You ask Boeing where their growth is forecast to be. You ask Coca Cola, Rolls Royce, BMW, Rolex, Johnnie Walker, smart companies that make products that people want are reaping the benefits of globalisation. Coal miners in the rust belt and truck makers from Detroit not so much.

Its called change and it has always happened. The poor have always been there. They will always be there.

b) The West has benefited on a vast scale. Western companies and financial institutions are earning countless billions from their investments in low cost manufacturing. Stockholders, pension funds, traders, insurance companies, brokers, and basically any individual with money in a financial institution has benefited from the efficiency of globalisation.

There is a very strong argument that says even more of these profits should benefit the ordinary guy - The way that Google / Apple et al behave in order to reduce their taxes is frankly revolting. These are taxes that the US needs. If the likes of Apple paid what they really owed then the govt debt and the tax burden on individuals could be reduced.

c) The living standards we enjoy in the West are 100% the result of globalisation. It is fashionable now to use the word in a derogatory manner - but we owe everything to globalisation. Decent reliable cars, cheap plentiful food, white goods that are cheaper now than they were 20 years ago, IT that now delivers every aspect of your life. None of these thing would be possible with out globalisation.

Some of you wont remember the malaise of the 1970's ( Markham maybe ) but the 70's and 80's are when the west realised that subsidising heavy industries that made things that people did not want was fruitless. Detroit does not make cars anymore because the product was rubbish, the unions were too powerful for change, and the Japanese did it better. Are you suggesting that the Japanese were slaves ?

Globalisation was not some vicious plan concocted by evil Soros / illuminati types in order to enslave the people. Globalisation is the inevitable result of man kinds endeavours. Globalisation is what you get when you have container ships that can deliver goods anywhere in the world at an incredibly low unit price. Globalisation is what you get when opportunity for profit and modern transport meet to deliver a better product for the consumer.

A few more facts :

Trump will not get people burning coal again.

Trump will not persuade US consumers to buy expensive poor quality items.

Trump will not force China ( or any other country ) to do things they dont want to do.

Trump will not undo 40 years of automation.

Trump will not stop Uber from running driverless cars.

Trump will not take his tongue out of Pootins ring piece.

Protectionism of US industries will make them even less efficient, protectionism of US industries via levies and regulations will result in stagnation and zero investment. However protectionism make Trumps new buddies in Wall St and the oil Biz even more richer than they already are.


The west is doing just fine, America is not broken, Globalisation is not a dirty word. Trump the arch capitalist has sold you a pig in a waistcoat, the ultimate snake oil - a cure for a problem you dont even fucking have.

there is nothing to add - exept one thing:

"manufactured by slaves" - i want to go a bit deeper in that because as i live in the so called 3rd world I can see that a bit more from the near.

if someone in thailand workd for 300 or 400 dollar per month does not mean he is a slave. that is the normal income in this country and many of those people drivng an own car and have a reasonable life.

on the other hand they are producing products with IMPORTED maschine (many of them imported from US) and what they export with that back is also a little bit of the value of a country, where you can get a perfect dinner for less than 10 us.
with other words: US citizen get products for affordable prices and that makes life more comfortable.

nobody would have any advantage when he get a double salary when all prices around him increase to double. that is bullshit.

another thing i want to mention is, HOW can trump can bring back(modern) jobs to US?

the biggest growing markets in the world are the markets around new economy and telecommunication.

many US companies (like AT&T) expandet their empire to the whole world.
not only to make profit there. they NEED this connections to international networks to keep theri prices in US low.
maybe one of you shuld try to make a phonecall to nothkorea and see how much that still is (even when the call to southkorea cost a tenth of that).

that is all what you will get with trump. less jobs, some higher salaries and much higher prices.

but the good news of today is that he already starts to wake up and banned bannon.
maybe somebody told trump already the consequences of his politicial way and where it will end. let´s see....

greetings
thommy

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Originally Posted by thommy

i personally never understood why i should not call a black person black but they can call me white. i never understood why i can insult peaople from my own race and the can insult each other by call themself "hahahahahaha" but as soon it is in a mixed constellation the white person is more in trouble.

You're not white