babeterminal

its not worth responding to gary the prick no ones takes notice till its impossible to ignore the prick, and can only retaliate with the same stupid shit "dvtimes"

i said it before and i will say it again dvtimes is a prick just like you gary

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It could have been avoided if the UK taxpayers paid more in taxes to subsidise better buildings and maintenance of those buildings. Better design, fire retardant materials, better rules, sprinklers, fire alarms that worked, etc.

Government spending at 42% of GDP, there still isn't enough money to pay for all these things. That figure barely pays for austerity measures. The ever increasing costs of liberal policies is making the bills rise further.

But all you liberals can do is point out that people protesting against the problem are racist, uneducated, drunken louts, etc.

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Answer him by going into the studio and posting pics of it. Not linking to pictures that could be taken in your flat. I do have some experience of shooting in a large studio.

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The reason the refurbishment was done on the cheap is the country can't afford to build proper housing for the increasing numbers of migrants.

As for the excuse, an electrical appliance exploding. That's clearly BS. Unless it was very close to other fire accelerants it would have been minor.

Of course blaming it on Tories is the easy answer. How about you paying more in taxes so the country can afford the dream Nanny State the socialists want.

Do you think the collective rent from the tenants of that tower block could pay for a proper refurbishment? If not who should pay, maybe all those earning over £30,000 a year.

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The cladding operated like a torch. It catches fire too easily and the gaps between the cladding and the walls of the building helped the fire climb up the building.

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Paul Markham

The estimates are saying there were 600 people living in the building. So far I can't find a number of who escaped. The numbers of those who escaped are very low.

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Reality Check: Why don't all high-rises have sprinklers? - BBC News

Seems he maybe be closer to the truth than you think.

Why are you acting like a drunken lout?

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babeterminal

paul you tory voting cretin watch on youtube four horsemen
"galileo said bosses should only have a 6-1 ration in profits, by the 1800's bosses had 21-1 ration, today we have 500/1000-1 ration of earnings"
here is where the money comes from you keep banging on about

london has the highest billionaires in the world, billionaires paul, hording money in banks, that does not get used in anyway, it is not taxed, it sits there for greedy greedy people

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let me guess, you are a #truthseeker or smth

Paul Markham

A reply from the parasite community.

The reason there are so many rich people in London is that other countries tax them more. If the UK did it, they would leave. Taking with them jobs and prosperity. As for rich not paying taxes, please don't expose your stupidity.

Do you think the rich will pay for everything the rest demand and stay in a country to pay?

The root of the problem is Labour thinking it can keep allowing more people into the UK when it can't look after the ones already there. And believing someone else will pay.

I'm working class and want the root of the problem tackled.

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NatalieK

excuse me?


It was me who said before anyone there are no sprinklers in most of the London council estates & they should have

https://gfy.com/21836206-post27.html


It´s that wanker with a fake nick saying nasty shit with his foul mouth! Don´t be coming at me Paul, you´´ve got a serious mental problem if you do

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Paul Markham

OK so don't allow your hate to get in the way of replying to his comment sensibly.

Clearly, the building regulations were partly if not entirely to blame. The cladding should be illegal as it is in other countries.

But as I've got your attention. How do you think the UK can resolve the serious growing housing crisis it faces? High priced rents, prices, lack of affordable housing, homeless, etc.

When I say affordable I mean it in the real sense of the word and that doesn't include in taxpayers subsidising low rents. Because that's unaffordable.

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Grenfell Tower inferno a 'disaster waiting to happen' as concerns are raised for safety of other buildings

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babeterminal

seems many now resort to calling "fake nics" when they are confronted with the truth, and continue to say it must be an old rival, because so many could not dislike their constant drivel

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There is no way babeterminal is DVTimes, they are completely different

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Oh no there are a lot of fake nics on GFY and they get banned almost weekly, it's not just your imagination, it's been an issue on GFY for over a decade.

Paul Markham

It's the only way when they have nothing to offer.

Whether you're a fake nick or not I will debate with you. Just don't resort to insults unless you can accept them back.

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babeterminal

paul all i called you was "tory voting cretin" also the only thing i have called some on this board has been "prick" but they can continue calling people "cunts" and worst, and using derogatory terms about people living on council flats as if people who live in council flats are unfit to be debated with

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NatalieK

an idea what may happen is the UK will have another recession to lower the prices of homes, rent & to buy.

At this moment in time, the north seems reasonable for buyers and renters, but London, well, it´s ridiculous. Of course, with so many homes empty, the prices need to come down & make the towns & communities turning over with money & growth.

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NatalieK

I have no problem who or what babeterminal is, alas, I do care for the foul mouth & hostility from babeterminal in order to begin the trolling

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NatalieK

This. Our business is our lively hood, we make our income from our porn productions, working for ourselves & filming for other companies. We make money from our sites & our profiles.

We´re here to relax, maybe debate or chat while relaxing. I have never began a fight but i´ll not sit back & be attacked.

Hoping for a fun evening here in Spain, it´s like 30 plus degrees & we´re chilling on a few bottles of bubbly, cam on & socialising over social media & here on GFY...

here´s to a blinding Friday night

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CurrentlySober

i am a fake nic and i dont really exist...

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rogueteens

No? You are the one who has repeatedly tried to insult Brexiteers. You do remember doing that don't you, Gary?

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NatalieK

you continue to try insult both Gary & me personally, I don´t think i´ve tried to insult you ever, why don´t you take a break & do some business.

I´ll insult anyone wanting to divide, they´ve already insulted the country, Europe, the EU & the world...

now chill the fuck out rogue

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noshit

No such thing as Fake nics everybody is a fake nic

It's nothing more than a false paradigm propagated by a Narcissistic neo-liberal facist genderqueer that consistently spews the words Russia, Trump Hate, Cucked, fake nic, and Migrants in almost every god damn thread on the board

Never do the words Constitution, or America come out of his mouth...
This America hating Genderqueer has caused countless peeps to stop posting, its running the board into the ground

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^^^ Fake alt-right nic against GFY TOS

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NatalieK

you can´t be talking about Blade or me. I love America, last time I was there I enjoyed myself & love the Americans...

How do you feel about America?


Don´t say things you may later have to apologise for....

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Paul Markham

I would have voted Tory because the idea of a Labour Government spending more borrowed money is absurd. May is an awful leader and her flaws must have been known when she was in the Home Office. Corbyn is a worse leader. He's very good at working a crowd of poor people but he can only do this by promising money he and you don't have.

Should he win he will try to raise a lot of money from people who will not pay it, he will also borrow £50bn more. This isn't an investment, it's an annual bill that will need paying every year. He will also allow more poor people into the UK, making the bills even higher. He will make Brown's overspending look like a great deal.

If you earn under £25k you may well win for a little while. Eventually, the country has to live within its means and that can't be done by someone like Corbyn. Even Osbourne couldn't manage it.

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There will be no recession on house prices while demand is fueled by a growing population.

The reason houses are cheap in the North is there are too few jobs up there. Maybe moving all the long-term unemployed to the North would be a good move. Or just keep going on as they are and keep seeing the cost of housing rise.

How do you propose the prices of houses should come down? Please, no more talk of building houses for £100k which is what Corbyn proposed. We have seen what cut-price housing leads to.

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Then stop insulting others. You insult people as drunken louts, uneducated, racists, etc. People that insult you need to be ignored. I learned my lesson with Jennings, a serial loser who took pleasure in bullying his betters.

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NatalieK

fair enough & pleased you could see what was going on, I would never start the fight...


ok, well getting back to the thread, with all the conspiracy theories especially Lilly Allen saying there´s many more bodies in the ashes, so far, it seems this way.

I´m dubious to think what they are going to do with the building, a shrine?

The council probably was thinking of knocking these apartments down, creating office blocks or newer residential homes. However, now human ashes & sentiments are involved, I´d have thought with the church & the people, building work will never be able to go on & a flat ground with a memorial will be most likely & hopeful

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it's a positive thing young people are thinking for themselves and questioning things more nowadays.

rogueteens

You do know don't you that this story started off on social media and Lily Allen picked up on it, except she missed out the important part, the authorities are supposedly slowly upping the number of deaths because they otherwise expect the immigrant minorities to riot.

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To be honest i couldn't give a damn that a bunch of muzzies and degenerates have been cooked.

Have you seen the names they are mostly asylum seekers and immigrants? The real tragedy is the sheer amount of council houses they take up when we have ex servicemen and brits living homeless on the streets.

And as for the Ethiopian asylum seeker who's fridge burst into flames I'm surprised he hasn't been lynched as he packed two backs of belongings before he called the fire service. But the sun still called him a hero for knocking on a couple of neighbours doors after he had packed his suitcases.

Scott McD

Fucking Lilly Allen.

Where was she when bombs were blowing up kids and people everywhere getting knocked down or stabbed to fuck?!

At a fucking concert holding a candle like everyone was told to do and don't look back in anger and spread love blah fucking blah.

Now, a few days later, riots are being encouraged everywhere...

Scott McD

Funny how people who insist candles & peace vigils are the answer to Islamic terrorism, are now ready to riot over a tragic accident...

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Very well said

I'm seeing a lot more people on the streets than I used to, and most of them are white.

babeterminal

thats a tory policy, to be housed you need to be classed as vulnerable, single white men to the tories are not vulnerable even if they have 10 doctors letters, missing limbs whatever,

migrants coming off the boats are instantly classed as vulnerable and go to the top of the list, most are directed straight to wesminster or kensington & chelsea councils to then be housed in hotels then spread out around the country, with payments made to other councils to take them

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Labour's policy is to build more homes like this while allowing into the country more people to fill them.

They planned on 100,000 a year. That barely keeps up with the growing migrant population. The housing crisis is 100% due to migration policies of the last 40 years. Look at where they live to see their contribution to the country. How many of these inner city councils are able to collect enough in rent to build more decent houses?

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By the sounds of it she just wants more instagram followers...

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Jel

just out of interest, you still running with that? Or are you going with

which would indicate that the tories WANT to house these minorities, in which case why would they set fire to them? As a hissy fit, or?

Jel

Ah, say no more.

PornoStar69

All this news is f*cking fake and if you fall for it YOU ARE DUMB AS F*CK.

Watch this London Tower crisis actor laughing (I was laughing aswell cause its funny as f*ck)


https://youtu.be/ZP8JEPTPB_U?t=31


this one is better, he laughs at the start LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An1RN60fXUs

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babeterminal

to your first point, its very coincidental that this happens a week after they lose control of the borough, and like the conspiracy video posted they have gentrified the area, that estate is the last poor peoples area in that borough, for fucks sake kensington palace is down the road

and as for the tories "WANT to house these minorities" they have to, its their fucking policy, more migrants have come in under the tories than any previous goverment

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so, the tories set fire to the building, yeah?

Even though they have a policy welcoming immigrants and wanting to house them... suggesting they are for those people as much as is possible, according to you.

I'm lost here, can you explain to an idiot like me what sort of motive and action(s) you are seeing, because so far all I've got is a mish-mash of 'tories bad' 'they love immigrants' 'they want poor people (immigrants) out of a posh area (or is it that now labour are in, they want the poor people out?)'....and that kensington palace is down the road. Maybe the royals took a chance and set fire to it, now that labour are in and all coppers are on a fiver a year? Also: heatwave in UK at the same time... global warming?

Also also: new world order population control, 100 people at a time.


I'm not saying you're nuts, but you're nuts.

Paul Markham

Thanks to Tony Bliar the UK can't control who comes into the UK from the EU. He opened the door and allowed them to come to the UK to take jobs, homes and benefits from Brits.

This was done to crush the working classes and allow companies to lower wage costs. But the costs to the UK are horrendous.



Ther problem is the future as more and more migrants become pensioners and need more benefits.



This isn't included in the Welfare budgets. It will get worse.



And if you think Jezz is going to solve it, you're wrong. He has only one solution, throw other people's money and money he doesn't have, at any problem. He actually was planning to build 1 million low-costs houses/flats to give to people who would need housing benefits. He calls that an investment.

There's only one party that really had plans to limit migration to only those who were needed. UKIP. And because of that policy, the racists said it was racist. Assuming the only people hit would be coloured people. As if Brown and black people are inferior.

Go to any area that has a majority migrant population to see how much migrants contribute. For instance, the occupant of the flat where the fire started was a migrant mini cab driver.

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babeterminal

looks like jel can make his own conspiracies up, you should start a youtube channel

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