There is no reason at all why epoch/ccbill/etc couldn't set this up. Surfer gets a "verified" account with them, and then they are automatically verified and free to enter any site that happens to bill with them.

Surfer then goes to the site, wants to join, and instead of seeing a normal join page where they have to pull out cc and have to fill out ton of shit, etc, they just do 2 clicks with a mouse and are inside the members areas and the cc on file is automatically billed.

However, this is just a pipe dream because industry billers are a bunch of idiots, hell will freeze over before they ever set up anything innovative. :2 cents:

No, I think what the PN is saying is the AVS could be free as it would only need to be a service to locate real credit cards & not take any money.

Although, the service would probably cost to have this service on a website. How much is the initial fee to have AVS linked to a site, does anyone have any quotes or have AVS on their site as yet?

exactly, all of MC models have free account systems with credit card checks for our clips stores we have available to unwanting membership fans :thumbsup

This is actually correct, they have already been actively discussing their planned verification product with other site owners!

Yet they stay out of the open discussion about it on GFY? Strange

I have never seen Mindgeek join any discussion on GFY to be honest. I think they have better things to do...

Also this is UK Porn age verification is not new. It has been announced a long time ago and has been discussed for years. There have been panels and advisors on this topic at all the big shows in the past years. The only news is that today they announced the final date it will go in effect.
The big companies (including Mindgeek) have been working on solutions for a long time and will be fully ready by April 2018.

For the people that say it won't work, you are wrong. This will happen no matter where you or your site is located/hosted. Sites that don't comply won't be accessible from the UK (it will be blocked on ISP level). So only if you don't want UK customers you can choose to not comply.

In addition the billing companies will enforce is at well, it will be part of their normal requirements just like having 2257 and terms and condition links etc. For example if you have a paysite with Epoch and don't put the age verification for UK in place they will stop processing for your site.

So yes, it is happening. For smaller sites there will be third party solutions that they can easily implement, some companies are working in this and if you use such a solution it's a win win because the data is shared so if a user already verifies on another site that uses it he doesn't have to verify again on your site.

No, what I am saying is those companies that do these deals in order to get traffic are getting paid for their traffic, period. So of course any employees working for these companies will not be doing it for free. LOL

Mind Geek will, of course, lead the way with all of this change. Why? Because they have millions of surfers who they could lose if they don't find a way to grant them access as painlessly as possible. Will there be a drop? Yes of course, the freeloaders will go to file lockers, torrent sites and forums to get their free fix. But this will probably be only 20% or less and, as time goes by, more revenue will be a result of this change. Surviving "the dip" is the only short-term concern.

Also from what I understand the system is document based.
You can't verify age by a credit card number because people in the UK can get cards at 13 years old.

You verify your age by uploading your ID (once), get a unique code or account or something and you can use that to access any other porn site that uses the same platform.

So of course the incentive for smaller sites to use a system from a big company (such as Mindgeek) is huge, because they will verify the majority of the UK people that really want to access porn.

How the circle closes! When I started almost ten years ago, verification sites like Cyber Age and Pro Adult were huge. Signup and get access to thousands of sites. The problems started when Visa began requiring each site to have 2257 info, etc. Most of those age verification daisy chain things had sites dating back to 1995! So it was impossible to comply with such old sites so the whole age verification thing just died overnight.

Now enough time has passed that the circle is closing and we are going back to how things were a decade ago. But will paysites make more money now?

Upload an ID to view porn ugh that's a whole other level of invasion of privacy. From a surfers prospective it's putting your face, name & address to the porn you surf. But, whatever, we'll see how it all pans out. Thanks for the info I appreciate it :thumbsup

Illegal tubes sites are working on a way to fuck us over as we speak, guaranteed. All our stolen content is like crack to them they'll figure out some extended whackamole bullshit to bypass UK age verification and continue fucking over legit paysites like ours :2 cents:

I recently had to upload my ID for some websites like for example Facebook and on sites where you can buy digital currency etc. Although I really did not want to do it, I did want access to the product/service so I decided to do it anyway.
I guess with porn people will do the same, they don't really want to it, but they do want access to their porn, so once they can't get it anymore (big sites implement it, other sites will get blocked) they will have no choice to do it.

There might be some that don't want to do it, there might be some that go to private torrent sites, etc. But I think the majority would do it to get access to what they want.

True. However 18 years of having my paysites online I know one thing, surfers like their privacy. I've spoken out in favor of age verification for years. Kids seeing porn is of no benefit to anyone but thieves that make money on PPC ads & redirects with stolen content as their honeypot.

I don't think uploading your ID and having the government record all porn sites you visit is the answer. I don't think any one entity knowing all of your sexual curiosities with an ID attached to them is something any Western civilization should pursue. We are not China.

Doesn't the UK force sites to tell you about tracking by cookies, out of privacy concerns? Now they want to know all the porn sites you visit? I dunno. There has to be a way people can be anonymous, yet verified, that's the key :2 cents:

I think some type of phone verification might be the answer. Get a text with a code, enter the code, etc. Could these things be faked? Sure. But so can identities and getting credit cards. When I was a kid I got one using my dad's name because I knew his social security #. LOL (No he was not happy when he found out! I was 15.)

ID's can be faked too, especially if you have to upload them (photoshop). So nothing will be foolproof but nothing ever is. Even if entering a CC is not part of the law it will be part of the new porn marketing for sure. It's time to begin re-educating the public that they have to pay for their porn like they pay for their music, movies, etc. Especially the Millenials who have been raised on free.

If they can pull it off it will be great. Then people will get a glimpse of what it once was.

The problem is implicating the law. Will access to VPN be blocked, Twitter obviously is out of bounds, along with a lot of other sites. All regulated by the BBFC. :Oh crap

Every site can lose 50% of its traffic. As you said they only lose the non-buyers.

Jim Killock, the executive director of campaign body Open Rights Group, said: “Age verification could lead to porn companies building databases of the UK’s porn habits, which could be vulnerable to Ashley Madison-style hacks.


“The government has repeatedly refused to ensure that there is a legal duty for age verification providers to protect the privacy of web users.
“There is also nothing to ensure a free and fair market for age verification.”


Killock said Open Rights was concerned that MindGeek – one of the world’s biggest pornographic website operators, which owns PornHub, YouPorn and other brands and has its headquarters in Luxembourg – would become the Facebook of age verification, dominating the UK market.

not with my site, as most of my traffic is from my own social media & if people know or are speaking to me, logically, they´ll be more so the ones to trust credit card checking.

Also, I already have a free sign up using credit card for my store, as do all modelcentro models. This could very much be a huge help towards combating the fall in traffic.

I suppose a true fact is the way the MC team have set up our (the models) sites, we´re very lucky & are already in a position to be able to check age verification & being so active, especially me with talking to my members from the moment they join until they leave, sending direct messages & private pics, even when they have only a free account, a credit card checked account. This means, we (the model) could convert your possible traffic, if sending to MC sites, helping both you(the affiliate) & our own selves :thumbsup

This will only boost the use of illegal/alternative sources of porn. Are they going to block porn torrents or file lockers too??

Cameron announced the EU referendum over a year before it happened (i.e. over 2 years ago). You then had nearly a year before Article 50 was formally triggered. Clearly defined plans for credit card age verification were first announced over 2 years ago, and were being widely discussed with cross party support, with a lot of attention to it given in this forum, during the LAST LABOUR GOVERNMENT.

If you were earning a living from the adult industry in the UK you ought to at least have rented out a tiny room in the cheapest part of Spain or wherever just to get your residence permit.

It's only UK. It won't change the state of the business worldwide. It will only make things more complicated and therefore harder for small site operators ...and bring more business to the large companies like MindGeek.

So if you operate a paysite, you will basically need a separate UK non-nude version of your site, with this verification system installed. Great business for the largest tubes.

PAPERS PLEASE!
Right, you expect someone else to pay for this -- not me!

Who gives a shit about UK? It's a small portion of the sales.

No one's gonna jump through hoops for the Englishmen. They're gonna have to find their porn on their own (VPN, etc)

I disagree. UK Was always a nice chunk of our business. Actually have an idea for a solution to this. Hmmm :food-smil02

All kids learn how to bypass security and filters at school from an early age.

How?

Because schools block online game sites, christ when i was at school 15 years ago we all knew how to use a proxy and evade blocking filters.

This will not stop horny teenage boys finding porn online infact the only people it will stop are the old men who's wives control the broad band bills

There will be a huge market for vpns in the uk. Avoid the governments pervert list pay £4.99 and save your privacy.

I got news for y'all: VPNs do NOT protect your privacy.

What if it looks to work and the EU takes it up?

All you need to sell porn is a link. Once the "Traffic is King" race started it was downhill from there on. Every time we saw more sales, we saw worse ratios. Now we see fewer sales and even worse ratios. But keep believing traffic is king. :upsidedow

Yes they are. If they dont comply.

Where you live is irrelevant.

Where you host is irrelevant.

Where your company is based is irrelevant.

If you serve adult content to UK IP addresses then you must put that content behind a paywall.

If you dont you can be fined, your biller will drop you, and UK ISPs will stop serving your website to their customers.

It does not matter if you run a free tube, a cam site, or a paysite; if you serve adult content to UK customers then the law applies to you.

Simples.

(If this board allows adult content to be displayed then this board will have to comply.)

:thumbsup

The UK has no legal jurisdiction outside its territorial borders -- unless it is a criminal matter and the The International Criminal Court takes jurisdiction -- that is not even a remote possibility. So fines to persons outside of the UK's jurisdiction are not going to happen.

Billers (VISA Net processors) within the UK might be strong-armed to force their customers compliance. With Brexit, the credit card associations could just move to Ireland and out of UK jurisdiction, and into the EU and the Eurozone.

The UK government could strong-arm the UK banks and money transfer agents to cut off payment to individual entities.

There are also new Fintech payment transfer, alternative payment methods as well as surreptitious ways to access and pay for porn that the average 15 year old teenager will learn from his more sophisticated school chums.

That leaves ISP's to be the UK porn police -- blocking sites -- that is not going to be that effective.

In the end, some may lose the majority of their UK customers and their revenues over non-compliance with this UK law -- that's all ...

This may very well make the war on drugs or war on terrorism look like a walk in the park :2 cents: Everyone that has tried to go to war with porn has lost -- when there is product demand people will find their way to the product.

Sorry but you are wrong.

Which publicly owned company wants to be seen to be ignoring laws that are their to protect children, and so what if a few teens find their way around, that is not the point.

Banks and billers will comply. They will probably see the opportunities here and provide the AV solutions.

A very smart (and exceptionally wealthy) man once told me that regulation breeds opportunity.

You might want to have a think about that - your attitude is stopping you from seeing the upsides.

:2 cents:

It sure is relevant. If you live in UK, you wont be able to work on your adult sites after this as free porn sites will be blocked! It makes it impossible to do free promo for your projects, update your blogs, tubes, do tube uploads, send porn pics on tumblr.. etc. You would have to verify your age with each of them - which means verifying your age for tens or even hundreds of free sites, while many of them wont even be accessible to UK at all after this gets applied.

And the vpn's that all the naysayers are wittering about ?

Use a VPN with a UK exit IP, or set up a proxy on a UK VPS yourself.

This is assuming that it's not going to be illegal for consumers to bypass the "protection" the govt is mandating.

Show me one US Appellate Court ruling to prove that -- I don't think you can.

The UK can only control what is in their territory or with a treaty counterparty extraterritoriality.

I have had enough of this government bully pulpit bullshit.

The UK Government has jurisdiction once it's on British screens. Fines may not be enforced, but it can be blocked.

Excellent point. Barry is biased because cams win from free porn. He should think about the millions he's losing to free cams.

Will Visa want to take on the UK Government? This doesn't need to go to court, all Vsa does is introduce a new rule. They have loads of them regulating porn.

Never used a VPN but that is just another step which makes things more complicated. Also, the transfer may not be fast enough to work with large files. If you do tube uploads, that itself can be 15 gigs a day easily.

Correct.. as long as it's not a citizen of UK living outside of UK of course. Then they still could apply the fines to him.

And the mention of ICC is totally absurd as they only try cases of genocide and war crimes.

The end goal of this is nothing to do with porn, blocking porn is simply a Trojan horse designed to ease in further internet control. Next comes blocking of anti-war, anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, 9/11 Truth, Climate Change Truth etc etc all getting thrown behind the wall.

ahh this is what I was posting about previously. Logically a platform like this with a code after showing ID could work quite nicely for all of the 50000 sites through the MC database :thumbsup

http://cornelllawreview.org/files/20...o99CLR1303.pdf

The UK has no standing, on any US person, on this law in the US Court system.

Not legal advice. But if you are really interested search the word 'international' in the above PDF.

Her Majesty's government may only strong-arm UK persons and legal entities.

I have no need for anyone without a credit card or means to pay on my sites. I can see this hurting tube sites, and people who sell traffic and those who pop up kandy crush ads. I have no want for some little dipshit looking at my stuff.
But regulation is always a slippery slope and once the blow hards get involved it's a cluster fuck waiting to happen. I'm all for it if it can be implemented correctly.
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Every adult site already ignores the laws of many countries around the world so that argument isn't valid.

How many American porn sites obey the laws of China or Germany? What about the laws of Iran or Saudi Arabia?

Because America has the First Amendment, the UK can't do anything to American websites other than try to block them like China does.

I opened a free account at a Streamate white label to test something and epoch validated my prepaid VISA with $20 or something on it.

If there was some central service that did this, took a prepaid card I don't give a fuck about (limited liability), then gave you an access code for entering porn (or other adult explicit) sites -- I don't see any real problem -- but how much would it cost a website operator, affiliate site or an advertising network to use a service like I am proposing?

This is an indirect tax that the UK government is imposing on the whole world -- nothing gives them that right, it is overbroad and burdensome -- and against US laws.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_...Protection_Act

https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-v-go...protection-act

The other problem is it is a governmental invasion of privacy -- now the government can subpoena the validator for my real name and address. I am officially a registered porn-perv ...

It costs like $.50 to validate a credit card ... Do you want to pay each time a potential customer is admitted to your tour? If you are an affiliate with free explicit content do you want to pay for every visitor admission validation?


Do you think people will upload their ID documents to the UK Department of Pornography and Perverts? They will get photoshopped to hell with foreign IDs they will not be able to validate. UK issued IDs would validate. Someone didn't think this through and consider the expense involved.

How about parents supervise their younger children better -- the lazy ass shits!
When we were 14 we used to buy Playboy and Husler magazines, and when I was 16 we mail ordered danish porno magazines -- so fucking what -- boys will be boys -- get a fuckin' life.

There will be a simple plug in solution once the law goes into affect (and maybe before) so I wouldn't worry about it much. Not a big deal to put a wall up (ask Trump heh).

You are completely missing the point.

Stop and think.

The UK does not need jurisdiction over non UK persons and entities. It does not need to strong arm anyone.

It already has jurisdiction over UK ISPs.

That is all it needs to ensure that you either a) comply and you AV your visitors, or b) you reject UK IP addresses, or c) your site is not visible to 99% of UK surfers because it is blocked and Visa/MC have have pulled your billing.

Now you can be an arse and pick b or c, but why would you ?

Why would you turn away a very affluent market just because you are getting your knickers in a twist about jurisdiction ?

And why would you want to waste resources on peeps that either are unable to pay, or are not confident enough to get their credit card out on your site.

Fighting this is really not the smart move. Costly and ultimately futile.

:2 cents: