OK so friendfinder, Jasmin, MFC, et al all ignore this and get blocked.

How much do you think this would cost them per month in lost turnover ?

They will comply.

Or lose fiddy $$$$$$
:2 cents:

Slowly but surely.. :)

It starts with age verification for the UK. Then the UK will want you to pay a tax for each verified UK resident that subscribed to your site. Then the UK will want a yearly $500 adult site fee to "protect the children". Then the UK will dictate what content you provide.. and on.. and on... and on and if you don't comply they'll block your site :2 cents:

We may then need a porn George Washington!
I volunteer. I look fab in a powdered wig. :D

All the EU states including the UK want you to charge their citizens VAT tax now, 20% on each payment and remit it to the UK if you are anywhere (extraterritorial taxation) now. This tax is on any automated download or service; software downloads, porn downloads, SaaS services, host servers ... any automated process that has minimal human intervention. https://www.taxamo.com/ get up to speed ...

VISA and Mastercard do this now and they will roll over with your personal info and site info to the UK government -- VISA net has legal nexus in the UK (physical location) and they are subject to UK laws.

They do this now in the UK. In the US we have U.S.C. §§ 2256,2257,2257A doing the same but that law is in conflict with the EU Data Privacy Laws and now the GDPR. It is not unlawful only when a model consents to their personal data being divulged under certain circumstances.

The UK can do whatever they want to do to their citizens -- that is sovereignty. Chinese IPs hit my domain servers all the time LMAO. The "Great Firewall of China" doesn't seem to work as well as the press would have you believe, or; they are all Chinese Internet censors checking on domains to block -- that could be too... Processing payments from China is tricky, some Chinese businessmen have western credit cards. There is more money to be made in China than the UK but you cannot access the people nor the financial networks (now and not surreptitiously). Many UK high-rollers travel and have access to foreign banks and foreign (non UK) credit card networks. These people will still be buying from non UK websites regardless. The intermediate impact will be minimal as the big porn buyers adapt -- they hardly want their bosses and the public knowing that they are buying porn LOL.

New Nick thinks I am being an 'arse' < that is a UK English expression. I am going to assume that this will affect you personally -- don't think it won't cost you compliance money. If the Brits get a larger share of their home market because of this -- so be it.

It's a law designed to cover what's brought into the UK. The UK government has every right to do that.

It's amazing how much we have changed our view of how we make a living. Instead of going for the meat of porn, we go for the scraps.

We don't all have to adopt American laws.

It applies to UK citizens only.


Do you live in the UK or a British citizen?

He's against it because he might lose some of the traffic he buys at cents on the dollar. The rest of you might get a win from selling paysites, but he doesn't care about that.

And then we will go back to offline porn and the industry will make billions again.

Your only concern may be money, that's okay. Some people - especially the lawyers who work to keep people on this forum out of prison - care a lot about free speech issues as well.

What does this have to do with free speech?

Your reaction is not rational.

Your reaction is emotional.

For some reason you are looking at this change in the regulatory landscape as some attack on your rights.

Its just another set of rules. Dont be emotional about it. Find the benefits - there are many.

Work with it. Minimise the downsides and capitalise on the opportunities - just like you do in every other aspect of your business.

:2 cents:

I can do fine without the UK. The UK does not regulate the international Internet. This law is foreign to me and presents no opportunities to me.

The US tried the same shit 10 years ago forcing the free speech and porn advocates to take the government to court -- and porn won -- it took years. YNOT Bob was one of the persons that testified before the US Courts BTW.

Get your wallet out -- this is going to cost you big time.

Government has no business the regulation of speech <period> with the exceptions of 'real and imminent' threat inciting violence or insurrection.

Yeah Mr. Markham; You won't be paying a fucking thing either way -- you are not active in this business for years -- just a trolling old man

It's very simple, you add age verification to your site for UK visitors, or your site will be blocked from being accessed from the UK.

There is no fines or anything, they will just block it if you don't have the age verification in place.
If you don't need visitors from the UK you don't have to comply. If you want to keep visitors from the UK you have to comply. It's very simple. No idea why there is still discussion about it.

It has nothing to do with where you are located or where your site is located.

Right, so this is all about civil liberties as far as you are concerned.

Personally I have no problem separating porn from children. It is not an idea which offends me on any level.

:2 cents:

You do what you think you want and I will do what I will.
I will not pay in any shape or form to enforce UK laws or Chinese laws or any laws outside of my jurisdiction or nexus.


Keeping minors from viewing porn is a family and parental problem and not the domain of the "Nanny State". That is what was decided years ago in C.O.P.A. in the US -- MY domicile and jurisdiction.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-218.ZO.html
ASHCROFT V. AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION (03-218) 542 U.S. 656 (2004) 322

Good luck to you(s)

Thats a silly remark.

You pay to enforce laws everytime you pay a merchant account fee.

You pay a fee to get money to your performers.

You pay VAT and / or sales taxes and corporation taxes. You pay taxes when you put fuel in your car or buy an airline ticket.

Your position is purely emotional and nonsensical.

:2 cents:

So the UK's going to block twitter without verification?

What about google images?

Twitter and google already have automated safe filters, so it would be easy for them to hide adult content from UK visitors.

Polish people really have a problem with authority don't you?
Maybe this is why your country is so piss poor?
Throwing money away because you're offended like a little child.
Grow up and put a little check box on your front page and eat some pierogis.

What does censorship have to do with free speech?

Think about it.

This is a waste of my time

The UK will block online porn from next year. Here&#39;s what we know | WIRED UK

READ maybe this, in layman's term, will help you understand ...

Free software, sure ... where the fuck do you get checkbox?
You can get away with that with a .com with German buyers but not with domicile in Germany and/or with a .de ccTLD, to the best of my knowledge. This is not going to be the same thing supposedly. Anyway, Brits will just use VPNs and proxy servers if a good part of the explicit adult Internet becomes closed to them.

This is just a waste of time -- we all will do WTF we will do.

The reason you are able to legally publish adult content is because people who came before you were willing to fight for free speech. They didn't give in to every government demand for censorship without a legal fight. They "threw away" lots of money to benefit your rights and your business.

Amazing how many adult webmasters don't care at all about free speech.

The industry has changed a lot.

Well, I can't exactly allude to my *high principles* being part of this disreputable business. However, I have never laid down without a good fight.

Really, this industry has been beaten down so badly too many have become *sheeple*

Good point :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

OK I agree with you. So where are the British Larry Flynts and Hugh Hefners? Where are all the British Adult lawyers fighting the British Government on this issue? Where are the organized "free speech" protests in the UK on this issue?

Crickets. Nowhere, that's where.

And HOW exactly is a Polish pissant who pisses on everything fighting the good fight? As Barry points out, he's not British nor does he need to comply with any British Law. So Barry is not "fighting the good fight" for freedom of speech he's just pissing in the wind (as his way).

Any other salient points?

I do, but what can you do in this case? Porn will find it's way, either legal or illegal.

Age verification would be only good if it was applied world wide, this sucks. This wont help paysite sales. People who would verify their age on a paysite will just do the same on free sites, or use torrents/file lockers.

Fair enough. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

My idea of a good fight is just a stick in they eye on this one. Fuck the UK.

If the Brits won't, or can't, fight their own government on free speech issues tough shit -- deal with it.

I am not accepting dictates from any foreign government where I have no nexus.

OK then report back a year after this goes into affect and tell us how much revenue/sales were lost due to non-UK compliance.

What % of your customers are British Barry?

This has nothing to do with free speech.

No one is stopping consenting adults looking at pornography.

You just have to demonstrate that you are an adult first.

NOT TOO TAXING IS IT?

With regards to the UK lawyers and free speech protests, there is no argument to make, you can spend every waking hour wanking yourself stupid over internet porn if you want to.

Just demonstrate that you are 18 first.

NO FUCKING PROBLEM !

I don't work for XloveCam any longer -- I emailed Eric about changing this name. So the answer is a few maybe from sponsor checks I get.

You are talking out of your ass because the vagueness of this law gives you no acceptable way to comply. Here is a link to the text of the Statute enacted. My point is very simple -- it is an attempt at extraterritorial law -- I will just go around it.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...0170030_en.pdf
Read Part 3 and get back with me.

Until the "Regulator" is appointed and compliance standards are spelled out there really is not anything to even talk about -- IMHO this statue is just a lump of shit right now as it stands.

Are you 2257 compliant? You say you run porn pay sites in the US ... How much do you spend on that? Filing documents or databasing them ... that is a cost of business imposed by US statute. And know you want to pay for some other county's laws? Or, should I say 'play by'

The UK can do whatever the fuck they want -- their citizens will bear the burden and not me.

I agree with that, but why force every single paysite to have this age verification gate instead of making ISPs do the job?

Wasn't it in UK that you had to ask your ISP to unlock porn if you wanted to browse it?? What was wrong with that? It was effective and easy to apply.

VPNs aren't too hard to set up, as a client.

Weird thing: my private VPN setup (which is basically just a cheap VPS acting as a proxy) actually improves transfer speeds.

Exactly. If it concerns ALL porn then paysites shouldn't be the ones bearing the brunt. Again I ask, what about free sites like tubes and TGPs?

And Barry: no one will have to "pay" for anything. What does putting a simple password script cost? Wouldn't this be something the biller would provide so there's not a jillion versions out there? Again, the ISP should do it, problem solved.

Where do you get this password? Please enlighten me?
The is no published protocol -- show me a UK government link ...

Barry is worried about his traffic sales.

Google images and Twitter are huge problems, will they just filter out those images to the UK. Or will their money buy politicians to block this?

What does keeping children away for porn have to do with censorship?

Before the Internet, keeping porn and children apart were normal. You now seem to be opposed to that. Why?

Why are you in favour of kids seeing porn?

Before the Internet came it was common practice to keep kids and porn apart.

They're not fighting it because it's a good move. Both for the industry and for keeping kids away from porn.

So we should drop the law on everything, as none of them are 100%.

Why do you think this is about freedom of speech?

Why are you for kids looking at porn?

Only the ones being accessed in the UK. Easy to not go there and block the country if you don't want to bother with the age verification.

Paul I am in favor of parents being responsible for their children's actions. If parents are ignorant or unable to seek help setting up filters -- that is not my problem and that is not the government's duty to impose that responsibility on me.

Children are chattel of their parents until they are 18 here. The state has the legal right to enforce parental responsibility.

No, I am not your children's keeper -- you are -- man up to your responsibilities or STFU.

If the state entity wants to pay (with their citizens tax moneys) to create a database and issue a passcode -- I will filter them; if, and only if, they pay to establish database to query, provide me with a OAuth and an API also providing me the code snippet to query and JSON reply authorizing access. The onus is on the UK government -- those are my terms. Comply or fuck you.

Does that apply to offline transactions of porn? Your point has no validity, the State is ultimately responsible for who buys what. Can a 14-year-old boy a gun, alcohol, cigarettes, drive a car, etc. No, the State doesn't allow it, you only get your knickers in a twist claiming Freedom of Speech violations over their ability to look at porn.

The onus is on you, comply or they will block you. Will they put pressure on Visa to withdraw processing rights? It will be an interesting case if Visa fights against the UK Government for porn. Let me think about that for a while. Done thinking, you're fucked.

So it is complying or they will fuck you. :1orglaugh