GLMBV

Absolutely agree.. We have about 50 sites and I have been consistently ranking them the last 5 years or so.. Since 6 months our google traffic severely dropped, 30-40%

Looking at the SERPS with quality tools like semrush ahrefs majestic anyone that has been monitoring the SERPS for certain keywords can see that they changed... For the worse.

Strange results, crappy sites non adult on adult keys all that.. Except of course for the authoritative sites like pornhub and xvids.. They make millions and google really wants them to keep making millions, fuck the small guy

windstorm

Btw, I have a nice website with thousands of great unique titles. Want to know what comes after my site? Only scraper sites in Google, that copied entirely my website.

In Bing, my website appears and indeed one scraper site. But that's all, while Google shows a ton of them.

thommy

what you guys obviously ignore is the fight google have EVERY DAY with EVERY goverment and youth protecting group in the world about adult.

if someone enter the phrase "porn" it does not automatically mean that he is searching for porn content.
the arguments of this child protectors are that a child who heard about this word wants to know what it means - and this argument they can kill only when they insinuate
that any inaccurate search request that in case of doubt they were not made as search queries on porn content.

you guys don´t seem to know a lot about the power of the child protectors and porn haters around this planet. even google does not have the power to undermine that.
in germany i.e are many search engines who are delivering original results of the Google search. In not ONE of them you will find any porn content.
if they would do that they would be offline since many years because these companies are based in germany.

and sure these german officials know that google is still delivering the porn content and they do ALL to fine them for it.

look what happens in UK now and wait a bit how that will influence Google because they can not simply ignore countries laws on the long term.

google with all it´s power is not only a search engine. their market power makes them to the number one target of every single idiot who think that his rules are the one and only.

btw i doubt that anyone of you can eve see neutral google results and each one of you will see different results on same searchkeys in google.
ask an itialian if he see results in google.it on the search key "porno" and after that try it by yourself - even when you use a VPN from italy you will see results.

it is really VERY hard to see listings in google because the results are so individualized that a neutral ranking will not effect 99% of the google users because they will see something else.

if i search with a spanish VPN on google.es (i assume it was the google.es result you posted) i see only the first 3 results similar - everything else is COMPLETELY different as you on your. screenhshot - on the reuslt i get there there is not ONE of the sites from 4-10 to see.

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thommy

you believe too much in the seo shit.

as i said our results went down from 2 million per day to aproximately 1,6 million. after a few changes we are at around 2,2 million uniques per day at the moment.

so this traffic is not gone - it is just somewhere else.
and as you can see in some answers of this thread i am not the only one who can see an INCREASE instead a decrease.

this is the result of the "gaussian equal distribution law" - the main base of the google algorythm logic.

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GLMBV

I am not talking about general terms like porn, I can understand those are more general terms and need some adjustments in the SERPS..
And its almost impossible to rank on a single high volume keyword like that.. I am talking about full fledged adult terms with multiple words like i want to fuck tonight and hookup up for sex or whatever.. That is for people who want to find someone to fuck not for kids who want to know what it is.

And its really easy to see localised listings in google cause anyone who does SEO will know to use proper tools for that.. As I mentioned I use tools like semrush where you can compare the SERPS of each GEO, and I use proxies to double check those SERPS but i got to admit that semrush is pretty spot on with the results.

mopek1

My Google traffic has also gone down ALOT since September. We're all in the same boat it seems.

eric_wahlberg

Don't worry about it, if Google is closing it, some other search engine will start it.

There are cool Facebook groups, where you can join and post about your business.
Bottom line is you don't need to rely only on Google for website promotion like you did 10 years back.

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The goos still send surfers but they *helpfuly* obscure the keywords/search terms. Those bastards have been doing that for years.

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thommy

i have to rely on google because my biz is not 5 digit. Google brings me a huge few million revenue per year.
don´t think that i sit back and wait til something nicer comes up while i would lose millions.

i make money since 21 years in that biz by swimming with the stream of the river and not against it.

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The Porn Nerd

Yes but if you/your company is getting TWO MILLION hits from Google daily (or now 2.2) then guess what? You are a "big boy" that Google protects. You do not hear the big tubes complaining about SERPs, just the "little guys" like me and others in this thread. What if you got 20k daily hits? 10k daily hits? Not millions. When you get millions of hits from Google you are into the Law of Big Numbers and the effect is not the same.

Google is fucking the little Webmasters and companies. The strategy seems to be eliminate all but the top 5-10 "big players" in porn and fuck the rest of us.

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thommy

nope you missunderstood - i have not ONE website who is doing this.
I am a trafficseller and the traffic comes in part from my websites and in other parts from a limited number of publishers what i am working with since many many years.

so this traffic comes usually from sites what have between 1000 and 100.000 visitors per day. but as i have access to all of these site´s analytics accounts and also coaching this guys in their search engine strategy i saw the mistaskes and saw the fixes.
and the fixes worked.

there are still not all sites in the network on the newest level but even with 80% on the newest level there is now MORE traffic from google as it was before.

and there are a lot of even smaller sites what made a HUGE jump because the sites on number 1 already can not go any higher and win traffic with higher position.

so in fact the win came from the SMALLER ones what shows me that google does not
want to fuck the small sites and webmasters.

or is there any unlogic in that ?

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mopek1

What were the fixes?

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Google is changing shit all the time. They run the show.

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thommy

i expected that question ;-)

but you understand for sure that i will not publish that.
but if you are good in observation you might find it by yourself. it is no magic (as it never was magic)

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Ahh ok sorry, I misunderstood. So if you are a traffic broker then yes you would see trends across the spectrum.

I understand about traffic shifting, with some websites gaining traffic that the others have lost. I too would like to know "the fixes" but since I run more-or-less static paysites SEO probably would not work for me anyway. LOL

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thommy

i will give you a hint:

STATIC = GOOD

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Kudos for building a stable rev.

You may think small + small + small is still small, but the google ai KNOWs you are big.

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thommy

loool if they would think that they would have bought me already.

but no - i am owning just a part of this sites.
and i own them only because i need my playground for giving advise to my publisher partners.

2,2 million per day is not such a big number.
we are doing fine and we are not really small but there are some much bigger guys around as we are.

i just do have more possibilities to look inside the network what delivers the traffic to me. that´s why i can possibly tell you a bit more from the so called "average".

all collegues i speak with (and who do not have such a deep view in the trafficsources as i have) told me that they lost traffic on many sites but won on others.
so the traffic is not gone - it has just changed the route.

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rabbit

the more generic the term, the more adult results have been filtered out by google. its been going on since a few years now. xxx, adult, porn, no keyword seems safe anymore even if its blatantly pornographic.

but most of these keywords while they have volume are not highest converting. so the flip side is that you'll get less traffic, but it will be much more targeted and you can focus on developing the site/content/copy/etc to optimize for people that already demonstrate a clear intent when coming into your site.

whats more worrying to me is that google has been experimenting with showing only 5 organic results on mobile. this will kill most smaller players that still get some organic traffic but dont dominate the top results.

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mopek1

That is the opposite of what SEO gurus have been saying for years now. They're always telling everyone to update frequently.

Denny

IMO, in this case STATIC = No scripts, databases etc... doesn't mean it's not updated.

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Most sites including tubes use scripts and every blog uses a database.

Denny

Yep, but TPN said he runs "more-or-less static paysites", meaning he doesn't use any CMS or scripts, just static HTML pages, yet the sites can be still updated.

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Uhmmm.... i haven't read all responses... But i thought this was common knowledge for years already? Who in their right mind would think it would be 'temporary algo shit'... It was obvious 3 years ago and it's still obvious now. I'm quite amazed this thread is from 2018, i thought it was a bump at first from years ago.

Bladewire

^^^ Truth

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The Porn Nerd

Exactly. They are HTML pages (some are php) without a CMS on the Tours. (MAs have a custom CMS thanks to Woj.)

The Tours do have a single php script that displays the Bonus sites. That section updates when new sites are added. The text on the Tours doesn't change tho. Updates are done via HTML changes.

So as I said, more-or-less static. My new responsive designs will have a little more 'scripting' in terms of bells and whistles but, being responsive, I figured Google would like mobile-friendly more than the older designs.

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mopek1

Okay. I see what you are saying.

It's just that Thommy said, "Static=Good" ... yet Porn Nerd's static sites have lost traffic, my site is also static and has lost traffic, the tubes which aren't static have gained.

I guess I was coming at it from that angle.

The Porn Nerd

Also to me 'static' means not auto-updating with scripts.
But anyway I don't think there is some magic secret to SEO, just correct and incorrect principles to follow.

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Holy Damage

forget about google.. lets trade traffic again... back in glorious 2000 years life style

Holy Damage

Oh.. almost forgot that ..you guys are moaning about google traffic...
heres the icing on the cake.. Google Better Ads Standards bullshit... even worse to come.... prepare your ass for penetration, traffic will be ur last issue

thommy

you can do both. update and be static.

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The best way to make sure if something works in SEO is to is to test it yourself. It takes time but it works for long term! That's why I only applied positive tested SEO techniques to my sites as well as my clients' ;)

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GLMBV

Yes I believe in this SEO shit cause I've been doing it for more then 5 years and made a boatload of money from it

mopek1

About the "gaussian equal distribution law" ... it is possible that if surfers can't get the results they want they may just head back to the tubes and search from within them.

For example, if a surfer searches for an adult term and is taken to a mainstream site over and over again, or to only a limited number of adults sites then he likely won't be satisfied with his result, give up (because nobody likes to look around for what they want as it gets frustrating) and just go back to the sites he usually visits which could be interpreted by google as the surfer being satisfied with the domain he clicked on but really he's given up.

IMO, SEO is being big, Time on Site and backlinks.

faxxaff

I guess that is what is happening. They use tubes or they start at sites like FB and Tumblr to search for whatever they are looking for. Search Engines don't have the influence they used to have, but they still send quality traffic.

Even during better days Google traffic from page 2 or 3 represented solid quality because people who were willing to dig that deep into serps were more likely potential customers thant those clicking on the first item.

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thommy

great and i ignore it for 21 years and also live not too bad :-)

but that does not mean that i do not believe that there ARE indeed things what need to be done to get a good ranking. but for that i do not need SEO wiseness.

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thommy

these so called "better google days" have been in fact the days when google did not know nothing about a user and users HAD to go to later pages.

now 98% of all search results are individualized and based on the data Google knows about a user.

That means they can find what they search usually faster (exception proving the rule).
and that leads to much less traffic on the later listings and much more on the top listings.

Google today is much more than a search engine and used by many people as a browser.

sooo many people do not even know what the url bar in a browser is. the type simply Free Porn Videos - HD Porno Tube & XXX Sex Videos | YouPorn into google and do not see any search results but end up directly on the page (as long Your browser is deprecated. Please upgrade. - YouTube is not blocked in an index - than the user find alternatives).

to understand google and it´s tactic you do not have to think like a webmaster - you have to know how the majority of billions of users act.
and only those are interesting for Google and they make their rules only based on their behavior.

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thommy

loool - if you want to make less money - try it - many (part-time) webmasters are doing it this way and wonder why they can not live from traffic what went through 20 hands.

the better ads coalition is something what i personally like (as long as it comes out as i expect) because it creates an acceptable standard for ads and THIS STANDARD will be the kick in the ass for adblockers.

pessimism or yesterday solutions will not bring you anywhere.

when the wind of change blows some building walls - others windmills !

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mopek1

So you ignore most of what is written on SEOMoz and sites like that?

Do you believe in backlinks because people still buy and tubes especially.

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Some of our publishers are still doing pretty nice with Google traffic.

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I get a ton

thommy

there was a time when i was reading it but got bored from so much nonsense.

look this trafficdrop what we are talking about i saw already in september and found reason and solution MONTH before the SEO portals where even mention it.

i do not believe that a backlink is good just because it is there.
i even believe that a backlink CAN be negative if you don´t use your brain.

but i have actually a few test sites with (smaller) keys ranking in top position and this site do not have backlinks at all.

links are not an indicator for google. they are just a hint and a possibility for google follow the user flow.
and if users do not click on them there will not be any effect (or a negative effect for the site who set it because it shows only that there is content what is irrelevant for the users there). if they click and use the site the effect will be good and if they click and close the page it is a bad link.

all that i need to know for that is what google told me to do (because I hope that we can agree that google will not be so stupid to tell you the opposite of what you should do) and analytics plus understanding it.
with a deep look into analytics you are even able to tell weeks before with what key and what subside your page will rank soon.

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sorry that´s not my network ;-)

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mopek1

Thanks for that response.

I look at analytics all the time and try to increase traffic from the sources that have low bounce rates. But as for looking deeply and predicting algo changes, I'm not sure how to go about that.

thommy

i assume that your problem is that you look overall.
but google does not rate domains. every single page of your website has an own value or not.

instead looking at the domain level you should have a look on single pages and what happens there.

even a site what has no other use as to make a click there have already some reason for a user and was helpful to bring him to his target.

pages with high bounce rates are not good. because either they have nothing what can attract a user or the users cam there with a wrong assumption (wrong link text) and close the site.

so how your domain will stand in google is the sum of how good all single subsites are standing.

if you hare i.e a subsite where users coming in and follow a link there to "sexy christmas trees" and the page "sexy christmas trees" is used (or even clicked a link there) - you can be sure that this pages will be shortly under "sexy christmas trees" in the top rankings.

as more top ranking subsites you have as more trustful will be your domain and even an internal link on a new subpage will help massively more as a dotzend external links.

so what many people forget when they speak about "trustful links" is that you can give them by yourself when you take an eye on what i told you and look that all your subpages have value.

if there is a subpage what will not work with no change you can make - than make this page "noindex, follow"
but keep the bad reputation of this page away from your domain.

sure there are a lot more little tricks and things you can do but if you just do what i say and be patient (because google needs long because they will not believe you but test it sometimes and you will not know to who or when your page will appear for a minute in the serps) you will see a HUGE change.

and the best of all - you do not need any halfwise SEO - because all that is logic. it is the one and only way how google can prevent to be tricked out.
the good old idea of PR and TR is too easy to fraud - that´s why they do not have weight in google´s algo anymore.

Google is still not perfect in that and there are still blackhat methods what are working for a while - but if you look longterm you are on the sunny side with this strategy.

imagine since internet exist nobody gave a shit on users. pornsites where happy when they where found with the key "summer shoes". but it does not make sense.
it is creating traffic what will not convert at the end.

so everybody was just looking for "traffic" and did not ask if that users will find what they searched for. SEO was killed by them who made it. and now SEO is just another penis enlargement biz. (many believe in it but it does not help).

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I'll drop this here for people who haven't seen it.

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Good luck to all goys fighting the red terror. We shall take back the web

mopek1

You assumed correctly. Thanks for the explanation. I see now how important BOTH external and internal links are within the context you described. External are fine but specificity is key.

thommy

can we change that ? NO !
do we benefit from that? - YES!
can we use it for us ? - YES

so what ?

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