Would you say the quality of porn models has declined the past few years?

[Clay]

I dont really see the same beautiful glam style quality that was everywhere say 10 years ago.
Whats your opinion?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Clay

I dont really see the same beautiful glam style quality that was everywhere say 10 years ago.
Whats your opinion?

They are still there, but the large influx of Cam Girls, probably makes is seem less so

[CaptainHowdy]

Pornstars are far more beautiful (some are almost mainstream model material) and much more skilled nowadays ...

[ilnjscb]

^^This, but the most beautiful become cam girls. Some of them are truly amazing.

[kane]

I don't shoot content or work with models, but from my perspective, it seems like there are still plenty of pretty girls who are in porn, but the hottest ones seem to become cam girls.

[Robbie]

The market has changed. More niche and fetish. The glamorous "model" look is out of fashion at the moment.
It's all a cycle.

When I first started in the 1990's, "Teen" was THE biggest selling thing.
And then a couple of years later...all you had to do was put the word "Amateur" on any girl and it sold like hotcakes.

And who would have ever known that MILF and then GRANNY would become such huge sellers? Let alone BBW.

The market usually decides what's hot. And like I said...it cycles around. This time next year we could all be smothering in super hot "babes" with professional make-up and perfect toned little body's.

[Rochard]

Seems to me like quality is declining. People are shooting ugly girls.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The market has changed. More niche and fetish. The glamorous "model" look is out of fashion at the moment.
It's all a cycle.

When I first started in the 1990's, "Teen" was THE biggest selling thing.
And then a couple of years later...all you had to do was put the word "Amateur" on any girl and it sold like hotcakes.

And who would have ever known that MILF and then GRANNY would become such huge sellers? Let alone BBW.

The market usually decides what's hot. And like I said...it cycles around. This time next year we could all be smothering in super hot "babes" with professional make-up and perfect toned little body's.

[Paul Markham]

Would you be having sex in front of a camera for them to spread around the Internet?

For most girls, it's a 1-10 scene career and everyone knows. Camming is forever, fewer people find out and you make more money.

[yuu.design]

people want's diff kind of girls now

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Clay

I dont really see the same beautiful glam style quality that was everywhere say 10 years ago.
Whats your opinion?

the quality and number of models has declined. more desperate mentally unstable models than in the past, and less over all models. From my experience of shooting weekly since 2000 and conversations with long time agents.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems to me like quality is declining. People are shooting ugly girls.

I agree, from the "clean" looking innocents to sexy MILFS most are gone. They are replaced by over tattoed, over siliconized, over lip botoxed slutty lokking Bimbos serving the "lumpenproletariat". It is very depressing.

[GAMEFINEST]

I think they are cuter now wiith more makeup

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Pornstars are far more beautiful (some are almost mainstream model material) and much more skilled nowadays ...

also models & pornstars are more content & happy to run our own business & career choices nowadays too

[OneHungLo]

They've declined because a lot of the amateur sites died off and ceased production. A lot of famous porn stars just didn't stumble into Vivid

[SpicyM]

As the amount of content produced decline, the amount of money to be made decline too.

Hot natural girls with no tats who consider porn expect to earn much more money than they do in their normal life to become a porn performer ... Once they discover the pay is shitty (and 250€ /scene is shitty for a citizen of EU) and the amount of work per month is low , they just don't see any reason and motivation to get naked and sacrifice their privacy. So only the ugly and desperate ones get into porn for this kind of money. All the known sexy pornstars are in agencies and travel a lot shooting hi-end glamour stuff.

Personally, if I was a girl, I wouldn't do that for less than $1,000 per scene. It would not be worth it for me. Hot chicks have much more options these days, they can travel easily and they can present themselves online, as "normal" non nude photo models, expecting to pose for clothing companies.

[Spunky]

Sure seems to have expanded substantially. Quality is in the eye of the beholder

[altmman]

The girls now have so many tattoos and that turns me off

[The Porn Nerd]

Like with everything on the Internet now there's so much variety and content and "types" and niches that basically any "look" will sell. So you have ALL kinds of "models" doing all kinds of disgusting things. LOL God blees 'em!

There are more outlets for porn now than ever (cams, sites, blogs, twitter, etc etc). So it comes down to what you focus on. You can still find plenty of gorgeous model type girls doing porn.

[eric_wahlberg]

Problem is with adult film makers who think that showing girl private parts is all about women's beauty.

But, the fact is they look sensual in semi naked clothes like lingerie.

[adultchatpay]

The "beautiful" models tend to work at home as cam girls.
They are making a lot of money and not get fucked multiple times. Dildo is their best partner.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by adultchatpay

The "beautiful" models tend to work at home as cam girls.
They are making a lot of money and not get fucked multiple times. Dildo is their best partner.

True: https://es.chaturbate.com/sweetgirlandbigcock/ ...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by yuu

people want's diff kind of girls now

Bullshit. The market for ugly girls is tiny.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

As the amount of content produced decline, the amount of money to be made decline too.

Hot natural girls with no tats who consider porn expect to earn much more money than they do in their normal life to become a porn performer ... Once they discover the pay is shitty (and 250€ /scene is shitty for a citizen of EU) and the amount of work per month is low , they just don't see any reason and motivation to get naked and sacrifice their privacy. So only the ugly and desperate ones get into porn for this kind of money. All the known sexy pornstars are in agencies and travel a lot shooting hi-end glamour stuff.

Personally, if I was a girl, I wouldn't do that for less than $1,000 per scene. It would not be worth it for me. Hot chicks have much more options these days, they can travel easily and they can present themselves online, as "normal" non nude photo models, expecting to pose for clothing companies.

A good looking girl could earn 250€ doing solo and two girls, 2-3 times a week for a year or two back in the 90s and up to 2008. An average girl who did B/G could earn £1,000 for one scene and do it once a week for the same time, a good looking girl could earn twice that. All this without being spread across the porn tube sites for everyone to see.

Today they can still earn good money on their own. Without a photographer, agent, studio, affiliates, etc taking a cut.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/...models%20girls

I'm linked to a couple of retired photographers and models and FB continually wants to pair me up with models working webcams.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Bullshit. The market for ugly girls is tiny.

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What you or I might find "beautiful" would be a complete turn off to someone else.

For instance...I was playing in my band a couple of weeks back at a club here in Vegas. This particular club has sexy young waitresses wearing thongs and bikini tops. And they are all fit, toned, and hot as fuck.

My accountant stopped in to see the band and say hello. He LOVES BBW's and sponsors every BBW event in Vegas (conventions, BBW night at the strip clubs, etc.).
I told him how hot the girls were...he told me that I might as well be pointing to inanimate objects because they held NO interest to him and he found them "ugly" because they don't have giant bellys. (He's a "belly fetish" kind of BBW lover).

So you're right in one way...there is NOBODY who will spend money on a girl they consider to be "ugly".
But the internet has taught us that what we THOUGHT was a "universal" idea of beauty...was not.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A good looking girl could earn 250€ doing solo and two girls, 2-3 times a week for a year or two back in the 90s and up to 2008. An average girl who did B/G could earn £1,000 for one scene and do it once a week for the same time, a good looking girl could earn twice that. All this without being spread across the porn tube sites for everyone to see.

Today they can still earn good money on their own. Without a photographer, agent, studio, affiliates, etc taking a cut.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/...models%20girls

I'm linked to a couple of retired photographers and models and FB continually wants to pair me up with models working webcams.

Yes, but 250€ was a different kind of money 10 years ago. The central European countries have improved economically a lot over the last 10 years.. while the pay has not changed much.

As for the models you mentioned, most of them are those top glamour chicks that shoot for a different kind of money. They can easily travel these days, it wasn't that easy back then.

I can still get a sexy new girl that will do that for 200-250 per scene, but the amount of these newbies is very low. They usually quit after they find out it is not worth it for this kind of money.

As for webcams, that is a different business... The girls in the 18-25 age group can't do that while living with parents (and many here do live with parents till 25) or while having a boyfriend, as it is time consuming. Also they usually don't speak English that well. It also requires their own participation and interaction, which is not needed when they are directed on a porn shoot.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Yes, but 250€ was a different kind of money 10 years ago. The central European countries have improved economically a lot over the last 10 years.. while the pay has not changed much.

As for the models you mentioned, most of them are those top glamour chicks that shoot for a different kind of money. They can easily travel these days, it wasn't that easy back then.

I can still get a sexy new girl that will do that for 200-250 per scene, but the amount of these newbies is very low. They usually quit after they find out it is not worth it for this kind of money.

As for webcams, that is a different business... The girls in the 18-25 age group can't do that while living with parents (and many here do live with parents till 25) or while having a boyfriend, as it is time consuming. Also they usually don't speak English that well. It also requires their own participation and interaction, which is not needed when they are directed on a porn shoot.

The money for models and content has been frozen for decades. A lot of the times it has dropped.

I was talking about the models I shot. Most had no problems getting into the States for shoots. The EU is open and before freedom of movement it was easy to get foreign models into the UK even Russians came to the UK.

Back in the day good looking newbies never quit because the money was low or work wasn't available.

Webcams I was talking about English speaking girls. Non-English speaking are more likely to work in a studio with an interpreter intercepting messages and limited to text.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What you or I might find "beautiful" would be a complete turn off to someone else.

For instance...I was playing in my band a couple of weeks back at a club here in Vegas. This particular club has sexy young waitresses wearing thongs and bikini tops. And they are all fit, toned, and hot as fuck.

My accountant stopped in to see the band and say hello. He LOVES BBW's and sponsors every BBW event in Vegas (conventions, BBW night at the strip clubs, etc.).
I told him how hot the girls were...he told me that I might as well be pointing to inanimate objects because they held NO interest to him and he found them "ugly" because they don't have giant bellys. (He's a "belly fetish" kind of BBW lover).

So you're right in one way...there is NOBODY who will spend money on a girl they consider to be "ugly".
But the internet has taught us that what we THOUGHT was a "universal" idea of beauty...was not.

BBW is a smaller niche than glam and teen. Your accountant is the exception, like your wife with her huge fake tits.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

BBW is a smaller niche than glam and teen. Your accountant is the exception, like your wife with her huge fake tits.

The "Smaller niches" are worth millions of dollars Paul. You were shooting at a time before the internet when people who liked different niches were not able to voice what they wanted to the industry.

If a "smaller niche" was only 5% of men...well there are roughly 3.8 BILLION men in this world.
So 5% of that would be 190 MILLION men who are potential customers.

I've made a LOT of money over the last 22 years selling porn. When our TGP's were some of the biggest sites in the world...I had my finger right on the pulse of what was selling.

And I'm telling you that NOBODY ever bought porn that featured a girl they did not find attractive.
Millions of men LOVE BBW's and grannys and feet and all kinds of stuff that wasn't what we thought was the ideal of beauty or sexuality.

As for huge fake tits like my wife...dude you have no idea how much money is in that.

But not everyone is the same.
Remember that Paul. And the whole thing is a cycle. The teen niche was hot as shit in 1998 thru 2003. I made so much money and sales on teens back then that Steve Lightspeed gave me a new motorcycle as THE top affiliate for the year in 2002.

But a couple of years later...MILF was the new King as teen became oversaturated. And that too was replaced as other niches took prominence.

And as I said...I'm sure that teen will be the King again soon. It's all a cycle.

You just have to be able to follow the patterns and keep your eye on the ball. Getting hung up on YOUR perception of beauty is kind of limiting.

[DBS.US]

Girls looked better before 4K

[faxxaff]

I used to shoot first timers 10 and 20 and 30 years ago. It was a breeze. A few references were all I needed to get 3 or 4 new talents every week. And I didn't really do porn. All I was shooting were amateur / glam nudes.

Today, it is almost impossible to find newcomers for paysites. People are aware of the negative perception they receive from intolerant communities about nudity. Girls shy back from that.

There are other opportunities, but none as easy as shooting first timers 15 years ago ....

[crockett]

Why would any hot chicks still want to do porn shoots where they likely will get $1k at best and deal with some creepy dude, when they can jump on a cam site or even reddit and make $1k in a night or more...


Only reason a girl would still shoot for peanuts is either for her own fanasty of being a "pornstar" or because she's dumb..

The simple fact is the girls don't need middle men anymore, they can go directly to the money source and it's easy to do.

[crockett]

Example.. https://www.reddit.com/r/PetiteGoneWild/

Those are all girls posting their own content.. they don't have to show their face because hiding your face is "accepted". Almost all those girls have their own subs where they sell directly to their followers and will create custom content for their followers..

There is a sub like that for almost every niche.. the simple fact is the girls don't need this side of the business anymore..they don't need the middlemen.

Granted I don't think there is much hardcore on Reddit but it pops up from time to time, but far as solo models.. Reddit is likely the biggest porn site on the net with real girls the users can actually talk to.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The "Smaller niches" are worth millions of dollars Paul. You were shooting at a time before the internet when people who liked different niches were not able to voice what they wanted to the industry.

If a "smaller niche" was only 5% of men...well there are roughly 3.8 BILLION men in this world.
So 5% of that would be 190 MILLION men who are potential customers.

I've made a LOT of money over the last 22 years selling porn. When our TGP's were some of the biggest sites in the world...I had my finger right on the pulse of what was selling.

And I'm telling you that NOBODY ever bought porn that featured a girl they did not find attractive.
Millions of men LOVE BBW's and grannys and feet and all kinds of stuff that wasn't what we thought was the ideal of beauty or sexuality.

As for huge fake tits like my wife...dude you have no idea how much money is in that.

But not everyone is the same.
Remember that Paul. And the whole thing is a cycle. The teen niche was hot as shit in 1998 thru 2003. I made so much money and sales on teens back then that Steve Lightspeed gave me a new motorcycle as THE top affiliate for the year in 2002.

But a couple of years later...MILF was the new King as teen became oversaturated. And that too was replaced as other niches took prominence.

And as I said...I'm sure that teen will be the King again soon. It's all a cycle.

You just have to be able to follow the patterns and keep your eye on the ball. Getting hung up on YOUR perception of beauty is kind of limiting.

So you admit BBW is a small niche. If all men bought porn it would be a $trillion industry. As only 10% bought porn 0.5? bought BBW.

Supply also has a factor in the results. Fewer people supply huge fake sluts and BBW so that effects the results. Beautiful 18-22-year-olds doing different things are the BIGGEST niche in porn. They are also the biggest section of the free porn sector.

Please don't argue on this question, it involves marketing knowledge which you are clearly clueless about.

[INever]

Strictly as a test I recently posted the exact same softish 'models wanted' ad I used to put up ~6 to 10 years ago, and got zero response, twice. The market and culture has changed, probably forever, and that quickly.

[ilnjscb]

Many models who post their own stuff have trouble monetizing. It is about how quickly they need the money. There are always models - it is easy to get them to work.

Since they are usually young, the way you connected with models 5 years ago won't work.

[INever]

Trouble = opportunity.

So now facebook, snapchat, twitter, etc? There are still 18 to 24 year old non-tatted normal girls who want to do this? Or are they all in front of the bathroom mirror?

[XMaster]

we probably have the most beautiful women in the biz.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Robbie

T.

If a "smaller niche" was only 5% of men...well there are roughly 3.8 BILLION men in this world.
So 5% of that would be 190 MILLION men who are potential customers.

all kinds of stuff that wasn't what we thought was the ideal of beauty or sexuality.



But not everyone is the same.

this is what I notice....

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you admit BBW is a small niche.

think how fucking pissed you would be with:


ONLY well there are roughly 3.8 BILLION men in this world.
So 5% of that would be 190 MILLION men who are potential customer

you get dumber every day bro....

[nude images]

I think it improved! There are so many gorgeous women in adult right now...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

think how fucking pissed you would be with:


ONLY well there are roughly 3.8 BILLION men in this world.
So 5% of that would be 190 MILLION men who are potential customer

you get dumber every day bro....

As I said to Robbie, not all men will buy porn. At best the market was 10% of the worlds male population. And that'as a very generous figure as 50% can't afford to buy.

Now who's the dumb one. Not a question.

[Relentless]

Double the pay, double the beauty.

That’s how basic economics works