Trump now threatening Harley Davidson..

[crockett]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-v...-into-the-u-s/


He is threatening to make it easier for foreign companies to build motorcycles here.. I bet baddog & vendzilla will be perplexed at how to take this news..


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Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S. Harley customers are not happy with their move - sales are down 7% in 2017. The U.S. is where the Action is!

7:00 AM - 3 Jul 2018

[GFED]

Good news.

[CaptainHowdy]

He just lost the midlife-crisis vote . . .

[RedFred]

"People that don't bathe often purchase Harley Davidsons. I prefer people that bathe" - Trump

[2MuchMark]

Bahahaha holy shit! Let's see Vendzilla defend Trump now.

[Rochard]

Jesus fucking Christ. You must be fucking kidding me.

What the fuck did you people expect? This man has no clue of what he is doing. None what so ever. It's like giving a four year old a twitter account and making him President.

#thanksvendzilla

[GFED]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Jesus fucking Christ. You must be fucking kidding me.

What the fuck did you people expect? This man has no clue of what he is doing. None what so ever. It's like giving a four year old a twitter account and making him President.

#thanksvendzilla

It's so much easier just to oppose everything he does instead of having a solid stance on anything right?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by RedFred

"People that don't bathe often purchase Harley Davidsons. I prefer people that bathe" - Trump

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Jesus fucking Christ. You must be fucking kidding me.

What the fuck did you people expect? This man has no clue of what he is doing. None what so ever. It's like giving a four year old a twitter account and making him President.

#thanksvendzilla

Remember during the election when he was pushing Trump steaks with steaks he bought from the store, not knowing Trump Steaks had been out of business for 9 years? They went out of business 3 months after launching

[JFK]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

He just lost the midlife-crisis vote . . .

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by crockett

He is threatening to make it easier for foreign companies to build motorcycles here.. I bet baddog & vendzilla will be perplexed at how to take this news..


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Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S. Harley customers are not happy with their move - sales are down 7% in 2017. The U.S. is where the Action is!

7:00 AM - 3 Jul 2018

More hysteria from Crockette. This is not a "threat" to Harley Davidson. It's a fact. Harley customers want to buy American. Sales are down. Trump will encourage more competition in America. What's the problem?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-v...-into-the-u-s/


He is threatening to make it easier for foreign companies to build motorcycles here.. I bet baddog & vendzilla will be perplexed at how to take this news..


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Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S. Harley customers are not happy with their move - sales are down 7% in 2017. The U.S. is where the Action is!

7:00 AM - 3 Jul 2018

bro try and get current okay? that's been in the news for 4 days

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

bro try and get current okay? that's been in the news for 4 days

How do you feel about the president attacking an American company and threatening their livelihood by pledging to tax them higher than anyone else and pledging support to foreign overseas competition to put them out of business? Not America first.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

More hysteria from Crockette. This is not a "threat" to Harley Davidson. It's a fact. Harley customers want to buy American. Sales are down. Trump will encourage more competition in America. What's the problem?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

. What's the problem?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

bro try and get current okay? that's been in the news for 4 days

bro, his tweet was from today...

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Jesus fucking Christ. You must be fucking kidding me.

What the fuck did you people expect? This man has no clue of what he is doing. None what so ever. It's like giving a four year old a twitter account and making him President.

#thanksvendzilla

But he is a great businessman. lolololololol

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Remember during the election when he was pushing Trump steaks with steaks he bought from the store, not knowing Trump Steaks had been out of business for 9 years? They went out of business 3 months after launching

He is not a business man. He borrows other people's money, sometimes does good, usually fails. He failed with casinos in Atlantic City. How is that possible?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

He is not a business man. He borrows other people's money, sometimes does good, usually fails. He failed with casinos in Atlantic City. How is that possible?

You're really are so fucking stupid it hurts

[slapass]

Originally Posted by crockett

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-v...-into-the-u-s/


He is threatening to make it easier for foreign companies to build motorcycles here.. I bet baddog & vendzilla will be perplexed at how to take this news..


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Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S. Harley customers are not happy with their move - sales are down 7% in 2017. The U.S. is where the Action is!

7:00 AM - 3 Jul 2018

He has a point. Harley buyers are old and not rebuying, it is a dying company.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

You're really are so fucking stupid it hurts

Typical alt-right hate fake nic troll response: personal attacks with no on topic substance.

Welcome to the decline of the alt-right he can't even post alt-right propaganda properly anymore because there is no counter argument, he's so despondent

[JFK]

Originally Posted by slapass

He has a point. Harley buyers are old and not rebuying, it is a dying company.

Agree there, most riders you see today are old, or older, graybeards.

At the price point, Harley, is asking , they are the only ones who can afford them.

There are quite a few, motorcycles out there , which are better, more nimbler, lighter weight and more affordable.

The younger guys, are not sold on the Harley myth, they want to keep their faces in the wind, with an affordable alternative

ps. Yes, I am a Harley owner

[beerptrol]

If HD needs to file for bankruptcy they can get some pointers from the Liar In Chief

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by crockett

bro, his tweet was from today...

yo, you don't know that Trump can tweet in the future .... after all, he is God !

[Look Chang]

Originally Posted by RedFred

"People that don't bathe often purchase Harley Davidsons. I prefer people that bathe" - Trump

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by GFED

It's so much easier just to oppose everything he does instead of having a solid stance on anything right?

I am not sure what you are getting at, but at this point he hasn't done anything good. Not one damn thing.

I am not a Democrat. The person I wanted to vote for this time was a Republican. Under Bush, I didn't sit here and question everything little thing he did. I surely supported Bush after 9/11, and also when we went after Iraq. In the past I could see both the good and the bad of any President no matter party they were in.

But something changed with both politics and American society when Obama won his first election and became President. Republicans went crazy. This was a difficult period for Americans, the recession was hitting us full force; People were losing their jobs and their houses. Instead of helping at all, it seemed like the Republicans were more interested in criticising everything Obama did. Seriously, they were questioning where Obama was born? This isn't grade school. At the time, Obama fixed us. He fixed our economy. We had seventy-two months of consecutive dropping unemployment. When Trump took office our economy was taking off and unemployment had been dropping FOR YEARS. Trump took office with the economy in the best possible shape.

Did Trump fix the VA? Nope.

Did he solve the Middle East? Nope. (LOL - Jared went to the Middle East the Palestinians refused to talk to him because of his part in the Jerusalem fisaco.)

Did trump fix North Korea? Nope. He pulled back our troops from the border and canceled war games and got nothing in return.

Did he fix the problems with Russia? Did he confront Russia about Ukraine? Crimea? Meddling in our election? Nope.

Did he fix NAFTA? Nope.

TTP? Nope.

Did he fix healthcare? Nope. Made that worse.

The only thing he did was give big companies a tax break. How is that working? Gee, seems to me like the Stock Market has been loosing ground since the tax breaks - how is that even possible?

Mr. trump hasn't accomplished one damn positive thing.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

bro, his tweet was from today...

you actually think I read trumps tweets? your fucking high dude.. and the money section has been talking about this for 5 days now. seriously try and get your shit together okay?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

If HD needs to file for bankruptcy they can get some pointers from the Liar In Chief

why should they ?

they just have to close the production in US and keep on with their factories in india and thailand.

the big error is that americans think that thailand and india are poor countries - yes the majority is poor but the 10% what are not are spending money like fuck.

and these are big countries with MANY people.

let HD loose 100 k buyers in USA - the rest of the world will still like it and for indians, thais, chinese and the rest of the asian continent the legend is still alive.

imagine 10% of 2,5 billion - how much is that ?

and the same will happen with other goods.
the buying power of asia is not in a few rich individuals - their buying power is in the mass of people with small money.

HD will not be a big deal for US - a few jobs will get lost.
but much more are getting lost with MANY other goods.

the point is that you can not see that right now because economy is always a look into the past when the numbers are published.
wait 2-3 month and than look at the numbers. look at the stock market and look at the inflation rate and look on the value of the dollar what will rise a lot in the coming month.
that means that american goods will be even MORE expensive as they are just because of the tariffs while chinese yuan will decrease in value and that makes their goods even cheaper.

who lost ?

every big US company have warned trump doing this step - every economist did - now it is too late for a turnaround. the world is in the start of a new financial crisis what will be here before this year ends.
the biggest losers in that will be the american economy and the citizens there.
it won´t be the big international companies who can move every day wherever they want to move. if will be the normal citizens, the farmers and the local stores who can´t move out - this is the tragedy !

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

^^ And yet, you can't answer what the problem is. Harley has made a choice to become foreign-made. Their typical customer prefers to buy American. Sales are down. It's their own fault. But the gyf lunatics say: "It's all Trump's fault!"

You deranged leftists are very amusing, but then i start to think of how mislead / brainwashed you people are... then i feel sad for you all.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you actually think I read trumps tweets? your fucking high dude.. and the money section has been talking about this for 5 days now. seriously try and get your shit together okay?

His tweets are referenced in news articles.

Even though Harley has a number of factories staying in America, and then motorcycles built overseas are going to overseas countries to avoid the import tax from "made in America".

So even though Harley is mostly staying in America , an America first company, Trump wants to bring in foreign competition to compete with their American company on American soil. He's a fucking asshole

“Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S.” Trump tweeted Tuesday.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you actually think I read trumps tweets? your fucking high dude.. and the money section has been talking about this for 5 days now. seriously try and get your shit together okay?

News flash.... Someone posted about them laying off workers days ago when it was first reported and at that time I called out Trump for not saying anything about HD. You know because he went there campaigning just like he went to carrier.. Now he's attacking them so I up dated the story...

Play catch up..

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I am not sure what you are getting at, but at this point he hasn't done anything good. Not one damn thing.

I am not a Democrat. The person I wanted to vote for this time was a Republican. Under Bush, I didn't sit here and question everything little thing he did. I surely supported Bush after 9/11, and also when we went after Iraq. In the past I could see both the good and the bad of any President no matter party they were in.

But something changed with both politics and American society when Obama won his first election and became President. Republicans went crazy. This was a difficult period for Americans, the recession was hitting us full force; People were losing their jobs and their houses. Instead of helping at all, it seemed like the Republicans were more interested in criticising everything Obama did. Seriously, they were questioning where Obama was born? This isn't grade school. At the time, Obama fixed us. He fixed our economy. We had seventy-two months of consecutive dropping unemployment. When Trump took office our economy was taking off and unemployment had been dropping FOR YEARS. Trump took office with the economy in the best possible shape.

Did Trump fix the VA? Nope.

Did he solve the Middle East? Nope. (LOL - Jared went to the Middle East the Palestinians refused to talk to him because of his part in the Jerusalem fisaco.)

Did trump fix North Korea? Nope. He pulled back our troops from the border and canceled war games and got nothing in return.

Did he fix the problems with Russia? Did he confront Russia about Ukraine? Crimea? Meddling in our election? Nope.

Did he fix NAFTA? Nope.

TTP? Nope.

Did he fix healthcare? Nope. Made that worse.

The only thing he did was give big companies a tax break. How is that working? Gee, seems to me like the Stock Market has been loosing ground since the tax breaks - how is that even possible?

Mr. trump hasn't accomplished one damn positive thing.

He is a scum bag. Given that, you are missing some stuff. He lowered corporate tax. We needed to do that for decades. Immigration has been a mess for decades. We should not have 100’s of thousands of people here on temporary visas that get renewed every 18 months. He resolved this stuff in a despicable manner as that is who he is but it is resolved or moving that way.
Canada says asylum seekers must move back one square. So the last safe country they moved through. Great let’s copy that. You come up through Mexico and seek asylum, you have to back to Mexico and wait. The problem would actually be solved. I get that he made this into a huge problem when it was not a big deal on the grand scale but we could easily solve it and go on.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by JFK

Agree there, most riders you see today are old, or older, graybeards.

At the price point, Harley, is asking , they are the only ones who can afford them.

There are quite a few, motorcycles out there , which are better, more nimbler, lighter weight and more affordable.

The younger guys, are not sold on the Harley myth, they want to keep their faces in the wind, with an affordable alternative

ps. Yes, I am a Harley owner

When I go to motorcycle races the lots are full of Yamaha and Honda. You do see some BMW and Harley's, but it's always the older guys. Younger guys ride Yamaha's and Honda's, sport bikes.

I have a friend that recently bought one of the better Yamaha's that you can get, $16k. Can you get a Harley for that? I have no idea, I remember them being quite expensive though, $30s?

[bronco67]

Pretty much everything he says or does is wrong, wrong, wrong in the worst way.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Pretty much everything he says or does is wrong, wrong, wrong in the worst way.

he's already rowing back because he sees what he's done.
Today the US has offered the EU ALL car tariffs COMPLETELY delayed, if in return the EU does so.

In addition one must know that the EU duties on cars from the USA were not particularly high and these are also not the reason why in Europe no US cars are bought.

LINK

And you have to know that EU customs duties on trucks, buses and construction vehicles have always been FAR below US customs duties.

so what he wants now is everything the other way around and he will announce it again as a great victory - such a dumb idiot.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Sly

When I go to motorcycle races the lots are full of Yamaha and Honda. You do see some BMW and Harley's, but it's always the older guys. Younger guys ride Yamaha's and Honda's, sport bikes.

Since 1979 Honda bikes were made in the USA, in 2009 they closed their Ohio plant and moved all production to Japan.

Yamahas are made in Japan as far as I know.

I'm sure Trump's goons are working hard to find the right foreign bike companies to give incentives to come to America and compete with American made Harley's. "America first" is a fucking lie

[dyna mo]

trump's a vindictive guy who runs things like a school yard bully tries to.

and H-D should have known better than to poke the vindictive bully. it just added to their difficulties.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by thommy

why should they ?

they just have to close the production in US and keep on with their factories in india and thailand.

the big error is that americans think that thailand and india are poor countries - yes the majority is poor but the 10% what are not are spending money like fuck.

and these are big countries with MANY people.

let HD loose 100 k buyers in USA - the rest of the world will still like it and for indians, thais, chinese and the rest of the asian continent the legend is still alive.

imagine 10% of 2,5 billion - how much is that ?

and the same will happen with other goods.
the buying power of asia is not in a few rich individuals - their buying power is in the mass of people with small money.

HD will not be a big deal for US - a few jobs will get lost.
but much more are getting lost with MANY other goods.

the point is that you can not see that right now because economy is always a look into the past when the numbers are published.
wait 2-3 month and than look at the numbers. look at the stock market and look at the inflation rate and look on the value of the dollar what will rise a lot in the coming month.
that means that american goods will be even MORE expensive as they are just because of the tariffs while chinese yuan will decrease in value and that makes their goods even cheaper.

who lost ?

every big US company have warned trump doing this step - every economist did - now it is too late for a turnaround. the world is in the start of a new financial crisis what will be here before this year ends.
the biggest losers in that will be the american economy and the citizens there.
it won´t be the big international companies who can move every day wherever they want to move. if will be the normal citizens, the farmers and the local stores who can´t move out - this is the tragedy !

We all understand how this works. No one is buying Harley’s. Of course Trump is a moron. No sitting American President has attacked as many American businesses. He only cares about consolidating his power.

[slapass]

Motorcycles in general took a huge hit in US sales.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-since-1990/

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by JFK

Agree there, most riders you see today are old, or older, graybeards.

At the price point, Harley, is asking , they are the only ones who can afford them.

There are quite a few, motorcycles out there , which are better, more nimbler, lighter weight and more affordable.

The younger guys, are not sold on the Harley myth, they want to keep their faces in the wind, with an affordable alternative

ps. Yes, I am a Harley owner

sportsters are more reasonable and the new hd street 500's look alright. both around 8k canadian.

but for pure power the kawasaki vulcan s 650 is a beast for the same price. practically a racing bike built like a cruiser.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by slapass

Motorcycles in general took a huge hit in US sales.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-since-1990/

They're overpriced in my opinion. I was getting into motorcycles and looking to get one and when I saw the prices I was like fuck that I'll likely end up crashing it anyway. If most newcomers into cycling had the same reaction you can see why sales are low with the current cost of motorcycles. An engine & 2 wheels for $10k on the low end? Fuck that

[Busty2]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Since 1979 Honda bikes were made in the USA, in 2009 they closed their Ohio plant and moved all production to Japan.

Yamahas are made in Japan as far as I know.

I'm sure Trump's goons are working hard to find the right foreign bike companies to give incentives to come to America and compete with American made Harley's. "America first" is a fucking lie

He found someone to replace HD at only twice their price

[shake]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

They're overpriced in my opinion. I was getting into motorcycles and looking to get one and when I saw the prices I was like fuck that I'll likely end up crashing it anyway. If most newcomers into cycling had the same reaction you can see why sales are low with the current cost of motorcycles. An engine & 2 wheels for $10k on the low end? Fuck that

There's a lot of baby boomers getting too old and selling their bikes too. I don't ride but a lot of my friends a buying up second hand bikes for next to nothing, sometimes in almost new condition. That must be eating into new sales as well.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Sly

When I go to motorcycle races the lots are full of Yamaha and Honda. You do see some BMW and Harley's, but it's always the older guys. Younger guys ride Yamaha's and Honda's, sport bikes.

I have a friend that recently bought one of the better Yamaha's that you can get, $16k. Can you get a Harley for that? I have no idea, I remember them being quite expensive though, $30s?

Actually, its not even this.. There are loads of young guys or mid aged people that ride non crotch rockets but they want custom looking bikes. They want stuff like choppers inc made or custom looking bobbers or cafe racers.

HD has failed to innovate.. they build the same plain jane looking bike that they've built for years.. No one wants big ass bikes with full fairings and suitcases on the sides.. Thats like trying to sell a station wagon to a 20 year old..

[JFK]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

sportsters are more reasonable and the new hd street 500's look alright. both around 8k canadian.

but for pure power the kawasaki vulcan s 650 is a beast for the same price. practically a racing bike built like a cruiser.

Sportsters and others like it, are "lady" bikes

[JFK]

Originally Posted by shake

There's a lot of baby boomers getting too old and selling their bikes too. I don't ride but a lot of my friends a buying up second hand bikes for next to nothing, sometimes in almost new condition. That must be eating into new sales as well.

The local dealer here, must have about 10 Deckers unsold at this time of year. Upper 20's to 30ish USED. They all have "make an offer on them", they gotta dump em, new ones are coming out soon.

[slapass]

Does anyone think electric will get any traction? Only being able to ride a few hours and then recharge seems like a pain in the ass but I don’t ride so no idea.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

^^ And yet, you can't answer what the problem is. Harley has made a choice to become foreign-made. Their typical customer prefers to buy American. Sales are down. It's their own fault. But the gyf lunatics say: "It's all Trump's fault!"

Trump promised to help them, but instead he made it harder for them. Stop defending him.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

... then i feel sad for you all.

No you don't.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by slapass

He is a scum bag. Given that, you are missing some stuff. He lowered corporate tax.

Not a good thing. This means less money for infrastructure and government services, and it means more of your taxes goes towards paying off the debt, and the interest on the debt.

Originally Posted by slapass

We needed to do that for decades.

No you didn't.

Originally Posted by slapass

Immigration has been a mess for decades.

Yes it has.

Originally Posted by slapass

We should not have 100’s of thousands of people here on temporary visas that get renewed every 18 months.

That's right.

Originally Posted by slapass

He resolved this stuff in a despicable manner as that is who he is but it is resolved

How is it resolved? If anything the costs are now even higher. You have to care for kids in jail oops sorry immigration camps, have more legal battles to deal with, transport immigrants everywhere, deal with bad publicity, etc. He hasn't fixed it he's made it worse.

Originally Posted by slapass

Canada says asylum seekers must move back one square
So the last safe country they moved through. Great let’s copy that.

Not true. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...um-claims.html

Originally Posted by slapass

You come up through Mexico and seek asylum, you have to back to Mexico and wait. The problem would actually be solved.

Except that's not. People could be fleeing violence or persecution. Fleeing their country for the US may be their last chance. If you turn them away, they would and should try to enter again.

Originally Posted by slapass

I get that he made this into a huge problem when it was not a big deal on the grand scale but we could easily solve it and go on.

He totally made it worse.

And of course, we are over simplifying things here - illegal immigration is a huge problem for any country. Labeling these poor people as an "infestation" like he did recently is not the answer.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Not a good thing. This means less money for infrastructure and government services, and it means more of your taxes goes towards paying off the debt, and the interest on the debt.


No you didn't.




Yes it has.




That's right.




How is it resolved? If anything the costs are now even higher. You have to care for kids in jail oops sorry immigration camps, have more legal battles to deal with, transport immigrants everywhere, deal with bad publicity, etc. He hasn't fixed it he's made it worse.




Not true. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...um-claims.html



Except that's not. People could be fleeing violence or persecution. Fleeing their country for the US may be their last chance. If you turn them away, they would and should try to enter again.



He totally made it worse.

And of course, we are over simplifying things here - illegal immigration is a huge problem for any country. Labeling these poor people as an "infestation" like he did recently is not the answer.

We were losing our major corporations to tax havens. Also vast sums of money were being kept out of the country for tax reasons. This also effects our tax rolls. We have some of the lowest taxes for personal taxes in the industrialized world. We are not over taxed as Trump claims.

I misunderstood the Third Country agreement. But we could strike this up with Mexico.

The US has weird asylum laws. It is slow and painful. Congress needs foam ctuslly act at some point. It can not just keep pushing it down the road. The idea of not letting people get legal and making it easier to stay here at the same time is also a form of abuse.

I totally get that Trump screwed this up. My thought is maybe it is time, the US looked at this and made some real resolutions.