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baddog · 01-09-2002, 04:31 AM

It occurred to me while posting about the demise of Dave Thomas, that I have never seen this subject discussed on any adult webmasters board. Rather than carry on the discussion on a thread memorializing someone that was pro-life, screw the fact that he was a man and could never become pregnant, I will respect the dead and ask the question here.

What is the position you purveyors of porn, you salacious salespeople of sleaze, you panderers of perversion have on the abortion issue?

I have heard some pretty ridiculous positions taken by activists involved with this issue, which I will save until later to reveal. So, what is the consensus here? Pro-life, or pro-choice?

Slick · 01-09-2002, 11:21 AM

That's a very tough question. I'm pretty much Pro-Choice, BUT I really don't like the ideas of abortions. I think that a woman should have the choice of what to do, but should weigh in every other option before going ahead with an abortion. There's THOUSANDS of couples out there that would give anything to have a kid, while there are THOUSANDS of people that are killing their unborn babies through abortion.

I know of a woman that was out fucking everything that moved and ended up having TWO abortions. In a case like that, it's all about learning how to keep your legs closed or using a form of birth control.

Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 11:22 AM

Pro Choice.

End of story.

Nedder · 01-09-2002, 11:24 AM

i fully support aborting pro-choicers.

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JakeR · 01-09-2002, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Pro Choice.

End of story.

exactly.

Mike Semen · 01-09-2002, 11:25 AM

Pro choice.

shunga · 01-09-2002, 11:29 AM

Pro-choice gives people the chance to make their own decision, pro-life denies them that choice.

Star · 01-09-2002, 11:31 AM

Pro Choice,

I don't like the idea of some over the hill male politician deciding what i can and can't do with my body.

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Dualcpu · 01-09-2002, 11:31 AM

Abortion - complicated subject, has been for many many years.

I would say pro-choice, but obviously with certain restrictions as to what is acceptable.

P.

01-09-2002, 11:34 AM

Pro-Coathanger.

01-09-2002, 11:35 AM

Hehe, nono - pro choice of course.

Jamdin · 01-09-2002, 11:44 AM

I'm for abortion only in extreme cases & not as a form of birth control.

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Slick · 01-09-2002, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Jamdin:
I'm for abortion only in extreme cases & not as a form of birth control.

I agree with you 200% !!!

eRock · 01-09-2002, 12:02 PM

Definitely Pro-Choice...no question about it...

cool1 · 01-09-2002, 12:07 PM

Pro-Choice

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baddog · 01-09-2002, 12:35 PM

I am a little surprised that there are so many lamenting the death of Dave Thomas, yet no right to lifers here.

Could it be that adult webmasters are so politically unaware, that they are do not know when they are supporting someone whose political beliefs are so diametrically opposed to their own with their hard earned dollars? Or was Dave Thomas such a great spokesman that he could have any political belief, no matter how inane, that you would still support him financially?

Is it possible that there are so many Generation Xers in this business, and what political analysts say is true, that Generation X has no knowledge of political issues, and pays no attention to the players, combined with a short attention span, that they will support businesses who fill the coffers of organizations that actively work to promote issues the oppose?

I wonder. I also wonder what would happen if the Civil Rights movement or Viet Nam occurred now instead of when they did, would the youth of today let their voices be heard?

You do realize that it was because of people of my generation, and their opposition to the debacle in Southeast Asia that 18 year olds on this country are allowed to vote, and even closer to home, the only reason why 18 year olds are allowed to have credit cards, thus buy memberships to your sponsors.

Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by baddog:
I am a little surprised that there are so many lamenting the death of Dave Thomas, yet no right to lifers here.

Could it be that adult webmasters are so politically unaware, that they are do not know when they are supporting someone whose political beliefs are so diametrically opposed to their own with their hard earned dollars? Or was Dave Thomas such a great spokesman that he could have any political belief, no matter how inane, that you would still support him financially?

Is it possible that there are so many Generation Xers in this business, and what political analysts say is true, that Generation X has no knowledge of political issues, and pays no attention to the players, combined with a short attention span, that they will support businesses who fill the coffers of organizations that actively work to promote issues the oppose?

I wonder. I also wonder what would happen if the Civil Rights movement or Viet Nam occurred now instead of when they did, would the youth of today let their voices be heard?

You do realize that it was because of people of my generation, and their opposition to the debacle in Southeast Asia that 18 year olds on this country are allowed to vote, and even closer to home, the only reason why 18 year olds are allowed to have credit cards, thus buy memberships to your sponsors.

Or perhaps it's possible that we simply believe that a grown woman should be fully capable of making decisions regarding her own body and NOT be mortally & morally regulated by some fuckheaded dipshit in an office 3000 miles away, and that maybe... just maybe... we actually just really liked Dave's burgers regardless of whatever the fuck his political views were?

Right to life? Please. The only rights a blob of electroplasma has prior to birth are the one's the mother gives it.

^R3K^ · 01-09-2002, 01:02 PM

Pro-Life

Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 01:08 PM

I'll cut to the chase (since this will likely go to a DVD level) and lay out where I always end up on this topic:

Pro-Choice IS Pro-Life, with options. Pro-Choice doesn't translate to "Instant Death". But allows for alternatives in the event of unfavorable circumstances or other unsavory situations. Pro-Choice promotes discussion... allows for certain things to be weighed, and a concious decision to be made one way or the other. And I think a mother who actively decides that she WANTS to be a mother, will be a good one.

Being FOR life is great & wonderful... but there are no options available with the Pro-Lifers. It's all or nothing over there.

That's all I got to say on it.

Speedy26 · 01-09-2002, 01:10 PM

Pro choice, theres to many fuckin people in this world now. its a fuckin pain in the ass to go to the store anymore, constant traffic jam. just 5 years ago i could drive the speed limit 45mph, now im lucky to hit 10mph on the same road. thats fucked up, hows it going to be in 10 years?

pr0 · 01-09-2002, 01:12 PM

Pro pr0

Lensman · 01-09-2002, 01:16 PM

Considering that Adult webmasters are not real religeous, I'm sure they are 99% pro-choice.

On-top · 01-09-2002, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
I'll cut to the chase (since this will likely go to a DVD level) and lay out where I always end up on this topic:

Pro-Choice IS Pro-Life, with options. Pro-Choice doesn't translate to "Instant Death". But allows for alternatives in the event of unfavorable circumstances or other unsavory situations. Pro-Choice promotes discussion... allows for certain things to be weighed, and a concious decision to be made one way or the other. And I think a mother who actively decides that she WANTS to be a mother, will be a good one.

Being FOR life is great & wonderful... but there are no options available with the Pro-Lifers. It's all or nothing over there.

That's all I got to say on it.

Well said.

baddog · 01-09-2002, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Or perhaps it's possible that we simply believe that a grown woman should be fully capable of making decisions regarding her own body and NOT be mortally & morally regulated by some fuckheaded dipshit in an office 3000 miles away, and that maybe... just maybe... we actually just really liked Dave's burgers regardless of whatever the fuck his political views were?

Okay, let us suppose that you do believe that a grown woman has the right to make decisions regarding her own body, and there is someone that is using the money you give him to provide funding to organizations that actively fight against this belief you have. I have never eaten one of his burgers. Are they that good that you would hold this belief in a woman's right to choose, yet help provide the funding to prevent her from exercising this right you believe in?

I will go to Taco Bell instead. Coors supports helmet laws, and donates money to legislators that keep laws like this on the books. As a result, even if their beer did not taste like crap, I would not spend one cent on their product. In fact, no matter how thirsty I may be, I will not even accept a free Coors from someone, because I know that while it may be free to me, someone has to pay to replace it. Ergo, I would not even accept a free burger from Wendy's.

Exxxotica · 01-09-2002, 01:25 PM

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Tam · 01-09-2002, 01:29 PM

I guess I would have to go with Pro Choice here, I don't want anyone telling me what I can and cannot do with my own body.

HOWEVER, I also do NOT believe in having an abortion unless there are very extreme conditions involved.

I honestly am one that believes the baby is alive and well once conceived, however, I also don't believe in using abortion as a means to destroy this nor do I think it is right for a bunch of men to tell me what I can do with my own body. I think this falls under a moral issue and it is up to the woman to decide what moral route she decides to take without having to be told she can or cannot do this.

I can't ever see me having an abortion under ANY circumstance, but I still do not want my rights to make my own decisions away from me.

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Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by baddog:
Okay, let us suppose that you do believe that a grown woman has the right to make decisions regarding her own body, and there is someone that is using the money you give him to provide funding to organizations that actively fight against this belief you have.

What someone spends their money on is their business. I'm not paying for him to go spouting his drivel and fight against what I believe... I'm buying a fucking hamburger. What he does with the money after the sale is beyond my control. I don't support the gun control freaks either... and there's plenty of them out there. I probably buy their products and/or services. But I'm paying for something I want. What they do with their money after that point is completely up to them. I couldn't fucking care less if they roll it all into big purple Barney stocks, or throw giant homosexual drug orgies. Not my business.

[quote]Originally posted by baddog:
I have never eaten one of his burgers. [/quote
You're missin' out... they're tasty.

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Originally posted by baddog:
Are they that good that you would hold this belief in a woman's right to choose, yet help provide the funding to prevent her from exercising this right you believe in?

See my statement above. It's their money. They can buy fucking crack with it for all I care.

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Originally posted by baddog:
I will go to Taco Bell instead.

Taco Hell is delicious too. I have eaten many a taco there.

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Originally posted by baddog:
Coors supports helmet laws, and donates money to legislators that keep laws like this on the books. As a result, even if their beer did not taste like crap, I would not spend one cent on their product. In fact, no matter how thirsty I may be, I will not even accept a free Coors from someone, because I know that while it may be free to me, someone has to pay to replace it. Ergo, I would not even accept a free burger from Wendy's.

Helmet laws are another stupid idea thought up by some fucknut who was demanded to produce something to make someone else look good most likely. I'm not against helmets, but I am against helmet laws.

I occasionally do have Coors. I've even hauled thousands of tons of their product all over the country. I'm not buying their political views when I'm at the store. I'm buying beer. And if you can't separate product from politics... guess what... we call people like that "Fanatical."

On-top · 01-09-2002, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by baddog:
Okay, let us suppose that you do believe that a grown woman has the right to make decisions regarding her own body, and there is someone that is using the money you give him to provide funding to organizations that actively fight against this belief you have. I have never eaten one of his burgers. Are they that good that you would hold this belief in a woman's right to choose, yet help provide the funding to prevent her from exercising this right you believe in?

I will go to Taco Bell instead. Coors supports helmet laws, and donates money to legislators that keep laws like this on the books. As a result, even if their beer did not taste like crap, I would not spend one cent on their product. In fact, no matter how thirsty I may be, I will not even accept a free Coors from someone, because I know that while it may be free to me, someone has to pay to replace it. Ergo, I would not even accept a free burger from Wendy's.

I doubt anyone here has anything against you boycotting companies that push motives contrary to your own. That's one of the rights we all have, and it can be effectively used. But it is impossible to adjust my life around the motives of every single business owner, president, CEO, or spokesperson with whom I do business. That is not possible, nor is it the most beneficial way to spend your time in many cases.

baddog · 01-09-2002, 01:55 PM

I have a mainstream business installing telephone systems and computer networks. A few years ago I had a job to install a system for some photocopy business.

While in there, rummaging through their storage closets I happened upon literally tons of anti-abortion, right to life literature. I then started paying attention to the their side of conversations they were involved in on the phone. These people were major players in the right to life movement on the national level, by anyones standards. I found it amazing that everyone there was male. I bit my tongue and finished up the job.

When I presented my bill, they paid in cash, and only had twenty dollar bills, but I did not have the $15 or so in change that they had coming. I told the guy that he should just give me the $15 as a tip, for keeping quiet about their right to life crap, and doing the job anyway.

He seemed astounded that I would be pro-choice for some reason, so I asked him what right he had, as a male, to tell women what they could or could not do with their bodies.

His justification was that if he got a woman pregnant he could not make her have an abortion, and he could be forced into paying child support for this child. He also could not force the woman to have the child, let him have custody of the child, and make her pay child support to him.

I told him I would give him the opportunity to come up with another justification than that, because I was sure that he had not thought this out very clearly, and that if he did not justify his stance better than that, I would not hesitate to tell the world what it was he had just told me. He stood by his comments. I kept the $15 tip, never hesitated to tell this story to whoever would listen, and for some reason, they have never requested that I return for further upgrades to their system.

titmowse · 01-09-2002, 02:04 PM

I don't go to Wendy's anymore. Not because of Dave's politics, but because they took out the salad bar.

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baddog · 01-09-2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by On-top:
But it is impossible to adjust my life around the motives of every single business owner, president, CEO, or spokesperson with whom I do business. That is not possible, nor is it the most beneficial way to spend your time in many cases.

Adjust my life around the motives of a business owner? You mean, like go to Burger King or Carls Jr instead of Wendy's? Or to drink Bud, Miller, Becks, Guinness, or tequila instead of Coors? I find it is not that much of a life adjustment or time consuming to reach for one product instead of the other, and I hardly would describe myself as being fanatical. I do not think either of my ex-wives would even use that adjective in describing me. Well, perhaps about helmet laws, but Coors has so many political stances that oppose mine, and their beer does taste like water, so it is easy to find reasons to not drink it.

It is not like I go out actively seeking the political positions of different companies, but when they blatantly advertise their position on an issue, and it is the opposite of mine, you can be sure I will not be supporting their business any longer.

How about these charities that have been discovered to be fronts for the Taliban or their supporters, would you continue to donate money to them after discovering that this is what they do with their profits? Not me.

Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 02:10 PM

Sounds like that guy was simply an idiot.

Nothing wrong with supporting whoever you wanna support. Everyone is allowed that much. But if it becomes a PART of the business, that is when I draw my line. If go into a hardware store to buy a door knocker and they start preaching some bullshit propaganda to me that has nothing to do with hardware or door knockers, that's the end of it. I will go somewhere else.

I've done that countless times with religous nuts. I have no problems with someone doing business with me who also happens to be a religous person, and doesn't push it in MY face.... but come to me under the premise of business, and start lecturing me on how I need to be fucking saved... yep... end of that conversation right damn quick.

Same principle. I've never seen any Pro-Life posters hanging inside a Wendy's restaurant. If I had, I probably wouldn't go back.

I was offered a job a long time ago for a company... who also happens to have "Going to Church" AND Pro-Life propaganda all over their business equipment, building... and of course the owner does not hide the fact that he is very Pro-Life... and that's all good and well. I don't care if he's pro-life or not... we all have our opinions... but I could never work for him because he's shoving it down everyone's throat.

kane · 01-09-2002, 02:13 PM

as for my position on all of this I say this: I don't think it's possible to live your life and not do business with people/companies that don't think the same way you do. Baddog proves that himself. He won't go to Wendy's or drink Coors because he refuses to give these people his money but he was certainly able to bite his tounge and get paid by someone he didn't agree with. If his convictions were really that strong he would have walked and not taken their money. I have a friend that has slowly over the last few years become somewhat of a religious zealot and he and his wife decided to boycott disney because they support gay rights. So we pointed out to them that this was hypocrytical because most large companies in this country support gay rights - not because they really want to bur because they may get sued if they dont- so we put together a list of all the companies we could find that had some sort of gay rights support in their corprate structure and they realized that just about everywhere they shopped/bought stuff from was on that list. Of course you can't really reason with the fanatical so it didn't change their minds but it was fun anyway

I'm pro-choice because I'm for anything that keeps the population down and I always ask any pro-lifers I run across how many kids they have personally adopted. If they say none then I ask them how come they are so ready to force people to have kids but they themselves will do nothing to help care for the kids they brought into the world.

There is documentory on HBO Thursday morning at 5:15 am called "Soldiers in the Army of God" it's about the extreme right of the pro-life movement. Set your VCRs if you haven't seen it, it's a disturbing and interesting film.

UnseenWorld · 01-09-2002, 02:18 PM

Because my background is in philosophy and I've never seen a convincing argument that life doesn't begin at conception, nor any satisfactory argument for relieving a foetus of the right to life, I've reluctantly been driven to the position that Right to Life has logic and science on its side. At the same time, I'm not so fanatical about it that I'd want to use the government to force its opinion on anyone. We live in a democracy with procedures for establishing what goes and what doesn't and we need to respect that even if the government does what we find to be repugnant. That goes for people on both sides of the issue.

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baddog · 01-09-2002, 02:28 PM

Kane, you do not think there is a difference between taking money from someone whose political beliefs oppose yours, and giving them more money with which to spread their beliefs?

This was a photocopy business. If it had been right-to-life.org or something like that, where their primary business had been as advocates against abortion, or pro-helmets I would have balked at accepting the job. In fact, now that I think of it, I did do that once.

I had just started a job doing an install for a well known divorce attorney. At the time, I was representing myself in a divorce. We started talking, and we agreed that I would do the job for free, in exchange for his legal assistance.

His first insistence was that I had to quit riding motorcycles because in his opinion doing so only showed that I had no concern for the welfare of my children, because I was willing to risk my life by riding Harley-Davidsons.

I gathered up my tools, and said thanks, but no thanks. Did not charge him for what I had done so far, and I left.

Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
I've never seen a convincing argument that life doesn't begin at conception, nor any satisfactory argument for relieving a foetus of the right to life,

By that logic...

Is sperm not also living? And who are we to terminate that life by stroking it?

BV · 01-09-2002, 02:45 PM

The strong will survive. It's natures way and will never change. A mother may abort her child in order to survive, but on the other hand she may have just aborted the next Genius that solves some of our worlds diseases.
Making abortions illegal won't stop abortions. everyone knows that. So you see it's really not a law issue it's a survival issue.
And furthermore I think that as long as men are legally responsible for their offspring that they should have some say as what their sexual partner does with their offspring. Whether it be chewing it up into little pieces and labeling it "medical waste" or going thru with support for the birthing of it. If the man wants it and the woman doesn't then it's up to him to convince her otherwise. If he is "STRONG" enough to do so his child will "survive" if he is weak, sluuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppp! End of Story.........happens every day.

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kane · 01-09-2002, 02:46 PM

baddog, you said : "I have a mainstream business installing telephone systems and computer networks. A few years ago I had a job to install a system for some photocopy business.
While in there, rummaging through their storage closets I happened upon literally tons of anti-abortion, right to life literature. I then started paying attention to the their side of conversations they were involved in on the phone. These people were major players in the right to life movement on the national level, by anyones standards. I found it amazing that everyone there was male. I bit my tongue and finished up the job."

it sounds to me like it was a little more than just a photocopy company.

What I'm saying I guess, is no I don't think there is a difference between taking money from someone whos's political beliefs you oppose and giving them money to spread their beliefs because if you give them money you are helping them, if you take money from them it will most likely be for some type of work you have done for them which is then helping them spread thier message.

in your case you installed some phones/network in their company that will help them spread their message and you took their money for doing so. How is that different then if you would have just given them the money to have the job done?

It's a big issue when it comes down to it. If a person doesn't shop a certain store because they don't agree with the store owners beliefs then where do you draw the line? Do you now have to look into every store you shop at to make sure you agree with them? If not do you risk looking like a hypocrite? anyway, the questions are many and vast and could take up a thread long enough to win a friggin leather jacket

baddog · 01-09-2002, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
By that logic...

Is sperm not also living? And who are we to terminate that life by stroking it?

Good point.

I have a question for you though Amp, how the fuck do you average 1,000+ posts a month? The board I participate the most on I have about 1,600 posts but I have been there for almost two years!

Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by baddog:
how the fuck do you average 1,000+ posts a month?

I'm a multi-taskin' mutha fucka.

baddog · 01-09-2002, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by kane:
anyway, the questions are many and vast and could take up a thread long enough to win a friggin leather jacket

Oh, you can win leather jackets now for the longest thread? Hmmmm, I have all kinds of leather (not an animal rights advocate), but I do not have a DVD player. Can I opt for the DVD player instead? Besides, my favorite leather clothing are tailor made, I am not really an off-the-rack kind of guy when it comes to leather

Sjayne · 01-09-2002, 03:00 PM

learned along time ago that abortion belongs with religion and politics in the list of things not to talk about with friends.

Everyone has their strong opinons and they are not likely to change them.

I'm prochoice to a degree but prolife for my own life. Unless the prolifer is one of those picketing (or funding those that do) or bombing clinics then I am not going to boycott them. People have the right to have their views.

As I said in the other thread, Dave was adopted...I am sure there is a connection.

Burger King, a few years back was accussed of treating its gay employees in a discriminating manner. There is hardly a mutlinational that is clean.

Slick · 01-09-2002, 03:04 PM

Here's some disturbing abortion pics - http://www.precious-life.com/Abortion_Photos_3.htm

You look at those and wonder how the hell people could do that to a baby.

[Labret] · 01-09-2002, 03:10 PM

I support abortion to the age of 5.
I support the murder of abortion doctors.

You get more than 2 abotions in your lifetime, you should be forced into mandatory sterilization.

Nothing makes me sicker than a slut who uses abortion as birth control. Fucking pigs.

Amputate Your Head · 01-09-2002, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Slick:
Here's some disturbing abortion pics - http://www.precious-life.com/Abortion_Photos_3.htm

You look at those and wonder how the hell people could do that to a baby.

Have you seen what we're capable of doing to fully grown people? Humans are a seriously whacked animal. But at least we don't eat our young anymore or fling poo. (well, most of us don't)

baddog · 01-09-2002, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
But at least we don't eat our young anymore or fling poo.

Shit, sounds like I missed another meeting. Was there anything else I missed?

Dualcpu · 01-09-2002, 03:38 PM

Mr Amputate Your Head is right about human beings.
Lets take a look at all the wars going on around the world, thousands of people are being killed everyday by violence - it seems to be a HUMAN HABIT.

I don`t think the discussion about abortion will ever be closed, there are just some issues that attract such different opinions that there will never be a real compromise. (for example : gun laws - drugs).

P.

baddog · 01-09-2002, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Dualcpu:
Lets take a look at all the wars going on around the world, thousands of people are being killed everyday by violence - it seems to be a HUMAN HABIT.

I believe you are confusing traits with habits, or habits with traits.

habit - n. 1. customary practice or use 2. a particular practice

trait - n. 1. a distinguishing characteristic or quality, esp of one's personal nature

In other words, it may be a trait of humans to kill one another, and their habit to do it in the most cruel way possible. Or a human trait is to form habits, but they can not habitually have traits.

Kind of a big difference.

Lane · 01-09-2002, 04:25 PM

limited pro-choice.
they should limit the number of abortions you can have in your whole life.

bhutocracy · 01-09-2002, 04:25 PM

what are these helmet laws you keep on going on about?

im vehemently pro-choice, and menace pro-lifer's protesting outside of abortion clinics when i have the chance. fucking cunts.

anyone who thinks there are a significant amount of women using abortion repeatedly as "birth control" need to have their heads examined..

01-09-2002, 04:31 AM	#1
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Pro-life or Pro-choice It occurred to me while posting about the demise of Dave Thomas, that I have never seen this subject discussed on any adult webmasters board. Rather than carry on the discussion on a thread memorializing someone that was pro-life, screw the fact that he was a man and could never become pregnant, I will respect the dead and ask the question here. What is the position you purveyors of porn, you salacious salespeople of sleaze, you panderers of perversion have on the abortion issue? I have heard some pretty ridiculous positions taken by activists involved with this issue, which I will save until later to reveal. So, what is the consensus here? Pro-life, or pro-choice?

01-09-2002, 11:21 AM	#2
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	That's a very tough question. I'm pretty much Pro-Choice, BUT I really don't like the ideas of abortions. I think that a woman should have the choice of what to do, but should weigh in every other option before going ahead with an abortion. There's THOUSANDS of couples out there that would give anything to have a kid, while there are THOUSANDS of people that are killing their unborn babies through abortion. I know of a woman that was out fucking everything that moved and ended up having TWO abortions. In a case like that, it's all about learning how to keep your legs closed or using a form of birth control.

01-09-2002, 11:22 AM	#3
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Pro Choice. End of story.

01-09-2002, 11:24 AM	#4
Nedder Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 555	i fully support aborting pro-choicers. nz [This message has been edited by Nedder (edited 01-09-2002).]

01-09-2002, 11:25 AM	#6
Mike Semen Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London Town Posts: 2,924	Pro choice.

01-09-2002, 11:29 AM	#7
shunga Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Loveland Posts: 994	Pro-choice gives people the chance to make their own decision, pro-life denies them that choice.

01-09-2002, 11:31 AM	#8
Star Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 74	Pro Choice, I don't like the idea of some over the hill male politician deciding what i can and can't do with my body. -------------------ExtremeGreen

01-09-2002, 11:31 AM	#9
Dualcpu Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 488	Abortion - complicated subject, has been for many many years. I would say pro-choice, but obviously with certain restrictions as to what is acceptable. P.

01-09-2002, 11:34 AM	#10
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Pro-Coathanger.

01-09-2002, 11:35 AM	#11
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Hehe, nono - pro choice of course.

01-09-2002, 11:44 AM	#12
Jamdin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,560	I'm for abortion only in extreme cases & not as a form of birth control. ------------------ I have a dream & you can share that dream too at Moongem Erotica

01-09-2002, 12:02 PM	#14
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	Definitely Pro-Choice...no question about it...

01-09-2002, 12:07 PM	#15
cool1 sex is good Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Carman, MB Canada Posts: 24,939	Pro-Choice ------------------ AKA - Cool1

01-09-2002, 12:35 PM	#16
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I am a little surprised that there are so many lamenting the death of Dave Thomas, yet no right to lifers here. Could it be that adult webmasters are so politically unaware, that they are do not know when they are supporting someone whose political beliefs are so diametrically opposed to their own with their hard earned dollars? Or was Dave Thomas such a great spokesman that he could have any political belief, no matter how inane, that you would still support him financially? Is it possible that there are so many Generation Xers in this business, and what political analysts say is true, that Generation X has no knowledge of political issues, and pays no attention to the players, combined with a short attention span, that they will support businesses who fill the coffers of organizations that actively work to promote issues the oppose? I wonder. I also wonder what would happen if the Civil Rights movement or Viet Nam occurred now instead of when they did, would the youth of today let their voices be heard? You do realize that it was because of people of my generation, and their opposition to the debacle in Southeast Asia that 18 year olds on this country are allowed to vote, and even closer to home, the only reason why 18 year olds are allowed to have credit cards, thus buy memberships to your sponsors.

01-09-2002, 01:02 PM	#18
^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	Pro-Life

01-09-2002, 01:08 PM	#19
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I'll cut to the chase (since this will likely go to a DVD level) and lay out where I always end up on this topic: Pro-Choice IS Pro-Life, with options. Pro-Choice doesn't translate to "Instant Death". But allows for alternatives in the event of unfavorable circumstances or other unsavory situations. Pro-Choice promotes discussion... allows for certain things to be weighed, and a concious decision to be made one way or the other. And I think a mother who actively decides that she WANTS to be a mother, will be a good one. Being FOR life is great & wonderful... but there are no options available with the Pro-Lifers. It's all or nothing over there. That's all I got to say on it.

01-09-2002, 01:10 PM	#20
Speedy26 Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: MI Posts: 950	Pro choice, theres to many fuckin people in this world now. its a fuckin pain in the ass to go to the store anymore, constant traffic jam. just 5 years ago i could drive the speed limit 45mph, now im lucky to hit 10mph on the same road. thats fucked up, hows it going to be in 10 years?

01-09-2002, 01:12 PM	#21
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Pro pr0

01-09-2002, 01:16 PM	#22
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	Considering that Adult webmasters are not real religeous, I'm sure they are 99% pro-choice.

01-09-2002, 01:25 PM	#25
Exxxotica Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oregun Posts: 4,396	My mother had an Abortion... <font color="black">. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .</font> <font size="6">But I Lived!!!</font> I climbed out of that vacuum thing, bitch slapped the Doctor, kicked my mother in the face, then escaped to FREEDOM!!!

01-09-2002, 01:29 PM	#26
Tam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,484	I guess I would have to go with Pro Choice here, I don't want anyone telling me what I can and cannot do with my own body. HOWEVER, I also do NOT believe in having an abortion unless there are very extreme conditions involved. I honestly am one that believes the baby is alive and well once conceived, however, I also don't believe in using abortion as a means to destroy this nor do I think it is right for a bunch of men to tell me what I can do with my own body. I think this falls under a moral issue and it is up to the woman to decide what moral route she decides to take without having to be told she can or cannot do this. I can't ever see me having an abortion under ANY circumstance, but I still do not want my rights to make my own decisions away from me. If men used Tampons they would be free!!! ------------------ Hosting and Dialers! TeenLucky.Com offers webmasters 50% ProudMember of Boneprone-4-Life

01-09-2002, 01:55 PM	#29
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I have a mainstream business installing telephone systems and computer networks. A few years ago I had a job to install a system for some photocopy business. While in there, rummaging through their storage closets I happened upon literally tons of anti-abortion, right to life literature. I then started paying attention to the their side of conversations they were involved in on the phone. These people were major players in the right to life movement on the national level, by anyones standards. I found it amazing that everyone there was male. I bit my tongue and finished up the job. When I presented my bill, they paid in cash, and only had twenty dollar bills, but I did not have the $15 or so in change that they had coming. I told the guy that he should just give me the $15 as a tip, for keeping quiet about their right to life crap, and doing the job anyway. He seemed astounded that I would be pro-choice for some reason, so I asked him what right he had, as a male, to tell women what they could or could not do with their bodies. His justification was that if he got a woman pregnant he could not make her have an abortion, and he could be forced into paying child support for this child. He also could not force the woman to have the child, let him have custody of the child, and make her pay child support to him. I told him I would give him the opportunity to come up with another justification than that, because I was sure that he had not thought this out very clearly, and that if he did not justify his stance better than that, I would not hesitate to tell the world what it was he had just told me. He stood by his comments. I kept the $15 tip, never hesitated to tell this story to whoever would listen, and for some reason, they have never requested that I return for further upgrades to their system.

01-09-2002, 02:04 PM	#30
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	I don't go to Wendy's anymore. Not because of Dave's politics, but because they took out the salad bar. ------------------ love, tit learn search find Elite member of the Boneprone Family

01-09-2002, 02:10 PM	#32
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Sounds like that guy was simply an idiot. Nothing wrong with supporting whoever you wanna support. Everyone is allowed that much. But if it becomes a PART of the business, that is when I draw my line. If go into a hardware store to buy a door knocker and they start preaching some bullshit propaganda to me that has nothing to do with hardware or door knockers, that's the end of it. I will go somewhere else. I've done that countless times with religous nuts. I have no problems with someone doing business with me who also happens to be a religous person, and doesn't push it in MY face.... but come to me under the premise of business, and start lecturing me on how I need to be fucking saved... yep... end of that conversation right damn quick. Same principle. I've never seen any Pro-Life posters hanging inside a Wendy's restaurant. If I had, I probably wouldn't go back. I was offered a job a long time ago for a company... who also happens to have "Going to Church" AND Pro-Life propaganda all over their business equipment, building... and of course the owner does not hide the fact that he is very Pro-Life... and that's all good and well. I don't care if he's pro-life or not... we all have our opinions... but I could never work for him because he's shoving it down everyone's throat.

01-09-2002, 02:13 PM	#33
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	as for my position on all of this I say this: I don't think it's possible to live your life and not do business with people/companies that don't think the same way you do. Baddog proves that himself. He won't go to Wendy's or drink Coors because he refuses to give these people his money but he was certainly able to bite his tounge and get paid by someone he didn't agree with. If his convictions were really that strong he would have walked and not taken their money. I have a friend that has slowly over the last few years become somewhat of a religious zealot and he and his wife decided to boycott disney because they support gay rights. So we pointed out to them that this was hypocrytical because most large companies in this country support gay rights - not because they really want to bur because they may get sued if they dont- so we put together a list of all the companies we could find that had some sort of gay rights support in their corprate structure and they realized that just about everywhere they shopped/bought stuff from was on that list. Of course you can't really reason with the fanatical so it didn't change their minds but it was fun anyway I'm pro-choice because I'm for anything that keeps the population down and I always ask any pro-lifers I run across how many kids they have personally adopted. If they say none then I ask them how come they are so ready to force people to have kids but they themselves will do nothing to help care for the kids they brought into the world. There is documentory on HBO Thursday morning at 5:15 am called "Soldiers in the Army of God" it's about the extreme right of the pro-life movement. Set your VCRs if you haven't seen it, it's a disturbing and interesting film.

01-09-2002, 02:18 PM	#34
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Because my background is in philosophy and I've never seen a convincing argument that life doesn't begin at conception, nor any satisfactory argument for relieving a foetus of the right to life, I've reluctantly been driven to the position that Right to Life has logic and science on its side. At the same time, I'm not so fanatical about it that I'd want to use the government to force its opinion on anyone. We live in a democracy with procedures for establishing what goes and what doesn't and we need to respect that even if the government does what we find to be repugnant. That goes for people on both sides of the issue. ------------------ Check out the new content at Wonders of the Unseen World Will trade content for good traffic.

01-09-2002, 02:28 PM	#35
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Kane, you do not think there is a difference between taking money from someone whose political beliefs oppose yours, and giving them more money with which to spread their beliefs? This was a photocopy business. If it had been right-to-life.org or something like that, where their primary business had been as advocates against abortion, or pro-helmets I would have balked at accepting the job. In fact, now that I think of it, I did do that once. I had just started a job doing an install for a well known divorce attorney. At the time, I was representing myself in a divorce. We started talking, and we agreed that I would do the job for free, in exchange for his legal assistance. His first insistence was that I had to quit riding motorcycles because in his opinion doing so only showed that I had no concern for the welfare of my children, because I was willing to risk my life by riding Harley-Davidsons. I gathered up my tools, and said thanks, but no thanks. Did not charge him for what I had done so far, and I left.

01-09-2002, 02:45 PM	#37
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	The strong will survive. It's natures way and will never change. A mother may abort her child in order to survive, but on the other hand she may have just aborted the next Genius that solves some of our worlds diseases. Making abortions illegal won't stop abortions. everyone knows that. So you see it's really not a law issue it's a survival issue. And furthermore I think that as long as men are legally responsible for their offspring that they should have some say as what their sexual partner does with their offspring. Whether it be chewing it up into little pieces and labeling it "medical waste" or going thru with support for the birthing of it. If the man wants it and the woman doesn't then it's up to him to convince her otherwise. If he is "STRONG" enough to do so his child will "survive" if he is weak, sluuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppp! End of Story.........happens every day. Remember if your gonna be dumb you gotta be tough! ------------------ BikiniVoyeur: 50% Payouts Weekly! Plus Re Bills! Pimp the Real Shit

01-09-2002, 02:46 PM	#38
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	baddog, you said : "I have a mainstream business installing telephone systems and computer networks. A few years ago I had a job to install a system for some photocopy business. While in there, rummaging through their storage closets I happened upon literally tons of anti-abortion, right to life literature. I then started paying attention to the their side of conversations they were involved in on the phone. These people were major players in the right to life movement on the national level, by anyones standards. I found it amazing that everyone there was male. I bit my tongue and finished up the job." it sounds to me like it was a little more than just a photocopy company. What I'm saying I guess, is no I don't think there is a difference between taking money from someone whos's political beliefs you oppose and giving them money to spread their beliefs because if you give them money you are helping them, if you take money from them it will most likely be for some type of work you have done for them which is then helping them spread thier message. in your case you installed some phones/network in their company that will help them spread their message and you took their money for doing so. How is that different then if you would have just given them the money to have the job done? It's a big issue when it comes down to it. If a person doesn't shop a certain store because they don't agree with the store owners beliefs then where do you draw the line? Do you now have to look into every store you shop at to make sure you agree with them? If not do you risk looking like a hypocrite? anyway, the questions are many and vast and could take up a thread long enough to win a friggin leather jacket

01-09-2002, 03:00 PM	#42
Sjayne Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,182	learned along time ago that abortion belongs with religion and politics in the list of things not to talk about with friends. Everyone has their strong opinons and they are not likely to change them. I'm prochoice to a degree but prolife for my own life. Unless the prolifer is one of those picketing (or funding those that do) or bombing clinics then I am not going to boycott them. People have the right to have their views. As I said in the other thread, Dave was adopted...I am sure there is a connection. Burger King, a few years back was accussed of treating its gay employees in a discriminating manner. There is hardly a mutlinational that is clean.

01-09-2002, 03:04 PM	#43
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	Here's some disturbing abortion pics - http://www.precious-life.com/Abortion_Photos_3.htm You look at those and wonder how the hell people could do that to a baby.