dyna mo

while thommy points his finger at trump for bailing out on the Paris Climate accord, germany commits billions to ANOTHER ruskie natural gas pipeline that will ensure Germany fails to meet its paris climate accord promises.

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thommy

i am the very last one who would choose "Germany über alles" - I am not a nationalist and I can see a lot of things going wrong in Germany.

it is also not about the fact that the european NATO is not really a troup of fighters and it was never since WW2. I think we did quite fine with that and I prefer the diplomatic ways to resolve a problem.

but this here is fucking senseless discussion because all what is in this 2% agreement is written down and it says CLEARLY that the goal to realize that is 2024.

also it can not be used as a must.
what happens in a crisis ?
how do you want to finance an army when the 2% of GDP are only 50% of the money you had before?

Germany did exactly that and STILL spendet the same as before but in the crsisi years it was 3,5% of Germany´s GDP.

or tell me what Luxembourg is doing ?
their army have 1100 people !!!!
and their GDP is very high.
will they buy a ferrari for each army member just to get on the 2% ???

in 2017 the countries in the world spendet in just ONE year :
1.740.000.000.000 us dollar

imagine this amount of money and what the world would be able to do with it.

now lets see what the "enemies" are spending from that:

china 228 billion
russia 66 billion

so on one hand 294 billion from "enemies" against 1.446 billion from the "not enemies"

and this is the status quo. this IS already the fact.

trump now think that this is far too few.
but he does not say he want to decrease the us spendings - no he wants more for that too. what he actually wants is to sell weapons to the allies - weapons what they do not need because there is no war around.

anyway IF there would be a direct war between this big nations tanks would not save us. it would be a nuclear war and this would mean: the end of the planet.

66 billion from russia in 2017 and everyone is afraid of them ???

if the world is afraid of russia who spend 66 billion and the rest of the world 1.446 billion - these weapons for 1.446 billion must be a big crap.

we should better save this money and invest it in the future instead in the end of this planet. only an idiot will not understand that.

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dyna mo

no wonder the eu is imploding.

thommy

don´t worry - we are already on a good way - even when you hate it that we don´t need you for anything.

in 20 years we will use oil for making salad. and in 30 years we´ve replaced gas too with renewable energy.
maybe we will import vodka than through this pipeline.
and you can drown your gram in the whisky you can't export anymore and drive with your gasoline waster against the next tree (if there are still trees).

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thommy

WHERE AM I WRONG ??
i highlighted the part in YOUR QUOTE !!!!

so are you fucking drunk or can´t you read you OWN copy and paste ?

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thommy

if you would understand english a bit better you would know that the lyrics in that song do not fit with germany but fit to USA-trump-hollow brains perfectly.
the words could be from trump.

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dyna mo

Maybe thommy is so full of hate due to our American relatives kicking major fucking ass on his relatives in WW2.

Although that doesn't explain why he's not man enough to admit he's wrong.

Sarn

in 20 years gas and oil will end anyway

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'US must explain military presence near Russia borders'
Russia’s defense minister says the US accuses his country of “aggression,” while its own military is advancing closer and closer to Russian borders, calling on Washington to explain why its military bases are edging closer to Russian soil.
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dyna mo

If what thommy said was true then the Germans would not be spending billions and billions on a second ruskie gas pipeline.

But as per usual, thommy is wrong. Mostly because his hate clouds his ability to think.

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I am trolling a little our American comrades with this video.

Sarn

They will, because of earn on this projects much more.

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Maybe someone should explain to you how to tell your ass from a hole in the ground.

slapass

Well said.

slapass

And your point is they spend too little or the US is totally fucked up and spends too munch?

slapass

They have a ton of solar and wind. I understand it does not fit your narrative but they are doing something.

dyna mo

my narrative is reality. check into it sometime before you just jump right into the middle of something and start acting like you know better.

dyna mo

are you actually trying to argue that Germany is not spending Billions on Nord Stream 2 while pointing your finger at me about that?

dyna mo

fill me in slapass. what is my narrative? the guy who has a democratic socialists of America logo as an avatar, the guy who constantly points out how horrible a guy I think trump is, etc.. just what is my narrative?

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This is a great move.

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thommy

again you are making a fool out of yourself.

this nordstream pipline you are talking about is not financed by Germany and it is also not a pipeline only for russian delivery.

the pipline is financed by companies and it works 2 ways - not only from russia to europe, you stupid clown.

what trumps hates most on this pipeline is that he was not an accepted investor (what he is i.e. in the US pipline what wents now (after trump signed it) through a nature reserve.
i am pretty sure that it would not be signed by him if he would not be a big investor in that.

you can turn it however you want. you are either that dumb not to check what nonsense you type here or you make that a personal war between you and me.

you can think as long as you want that you are more smart - no one can forbid you what you think. but that doesn't change the fact that you're the opposite of smart but just a daft alcoholic who struggles with himself and his messed up fate.

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loooooool i hope you know where YOUR avatar is from, dumbfuck.
i am pretty sure you don´t know it.

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dyna mo

right. you think germany will share that gas with eu when the eu implodes.

dyna mo

then prove me wrong or you're the piece of shit euro you act like around here.

thommy

since trump the spendings went up 40 billion - so now over 620 billion actually.

i really do not care what the american government does with taxpayers money but i care when the clown what they call there president is telling me where my tax money should have to go.

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Yeah...that's exactly what he's doing. Trump is all about entitlements and the Democrats aren't.

Fuck the group of your morons just refuse to realize how dumb you look and sound.

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dyna mo

it's super easy to prove thommy wrong.

his hate blinds what little ability he has to reason.

candyflip

All this proves is that you live in your own little bubble. It says much more about you than it does any of those nicks you claim to be ignoring.

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candyflip

Says the guy Nazi blood running through his veins.

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dyna mo

Don't start yet another world war over it thommy, killing and murdering millions of people because they thought different than you. the first 2 world wars you started are what led to NATO to begin with.

Sarn

eu not implodes, because all wanna gas but only germoni have pipelines - it is dependence

dyna mo

germs will not share that gas with other euro countries when the eu implodes. there is no camaraderie within the union, and certainly no esprit de corp among eu nations.

Sarn

Not share but resell. Capitalism it is about moni not camaraderie

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Macron plans to talk to Putin during FIFA World Cup final in Moscow
TASS: World - Macron plans to talk to Putin during FIFA World Cup final in Moscow

France in final world cup

dyna mo

So Germany will fuck Europe yet again and eu will gladly bend over.

Shocker. Actually not shocked, just look at how VW gets a free pass by germs and euros to pollute the world with their clean diesel scam. All germ car builders have the defeat device and eu governments look the other way.

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Poor Poland


Europe and Russia are inevitably codependent, and Donald Trump's actions will not change that
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-...ding-populism/

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TheSquealer is a Canadian ( as I ) .... so no " you guys "

TheSquealer

I'm a Canadian?

Though I truly love BC, I would never consider living in Canada. I would never ... not ever, consider living with a bunch of passive aggressive, self righteous, insecure and pompous assholes who can't stop talking about shit about the USA.

You guys are such obnoxious dipshits that 1/2 your country hates the other half.

Why would I choose to live in the shadow of greatness, when I can live in the place that is everything that you pussies who can't stop talking shit all day, every day wish you were living in? Now go try and figure out who Canada can't make a TV or a car or a phone or a computer or why the Queen of England is still on your money.

"Canadian electronics are the BEST!!!"
- Said By No Person, Ever

I think you fucking turds should man up, act like you have some integrity and stop doing business with the USA if you're going to talk shit non stop about Americans. I'm fine with that. Granted, you have the GDP of a single US state which will be a tough loss (not really) and your maple syrup will be missed (oh yeah, US makes that too... so, never mind.). Maybe you can get all your hockey players to stay in Canada and we'll agree to keep all our 3rd string semi-pro football players who couldn't make the cut from playing in the Canadian Football League as a last option before taking a construction job, in return.

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Tasty1

When i see that the Dutch army is in terrible state. Even after the cold war is over (and starting again) and the Dutch army has shortage of everything for years. Than there is no need to point out that Holland isn't investing enough, or goes on too many missions and that more money is needed. They bought second hand and thrid hand rocket launchers... that exploded in the hand of our own soldiers.... That is the state of the Dutch army...

If a small country is rich like Island or Luxembourg, looks to me they have enough reason to protect it and fight for. More than a poor country. Let them buy som expensive things like a flight carier, submarines, JSF fighters etcetra instead of looking for excuses. Even all European leaders agree they have to spent more... And Trump is right, why wait till 2024, while in the mean time we are able to spent billions on idiot projects. The Dutch soldiers are in danger now cause they don't have the equipment, they must solve that now, or stop missions. I am in favour of the last, stop some missions. Even Obama wanted more money into Nato from other countries... Looks like everyone wants it... except a small amount of people.

But i hate to say it Thommy, but for you i only see ractions that can be qualified as Germany Uber Alles. That pipeline isn't only a problem for Trump. Many other EU countries doesn't like it. But Germany and you say "trading is not a war and have nothing to do with human rights or political affairs." You say "Trade Uber Alles" instead of "Germany Uber Alles", the result is the same. Many politicians wrote about the pipeline that it is more than trade, it is political. And if it wasn't, it is for them now. And for the trade Germany doesn't listen to allies. Danmark has big political problems, Germany and Rusland pushing to get that pipeline trough their country, while some EU countries and Trump are pushing to stop it. And you think that is not political? The pipleline divides the EU. Holland also can say the slave trade of Dutch sailors was only business, but we still get some problems that people said it was against human rights. Germany is not free, if they want freedom, they should get out of the EU.

And on one hand saying supporting the Paris Climate agreement, but needing more and more gas to produce more and more cars and than thinking the environment would profit from it...That whole Paris climate agreement is written on toiletpaper, and that is how most country use it.

And than i read that you say you are ok that countries don't want to deal with the USA anymore, now and in the future, cause the voters can be counted on, before you know they vote different than you want. Sorry, but if the USA and countries in Europe would think that way, than there was 1 country in the EU that would have lost their voting rights 100 and 70 years ago cause they proofed to vote on crazy people that wanted a genocide and where on the way of succeeding... 2 times. Ok, the USA has now a controversial leader. But that doesn't mean for me that we should condem the uSA for ever. I am sure Trump will do good and bad, like all presidents. PS, there are also some countries that was having a genocide on European soil more recently. But we also want them to join the EU... strange...

Trade Uber Alles!



https://www.euractiv.com/section/ene...ream-2-permit/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1H21V8

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...sanctions-list

"“This is not about gas, it is one of the most important foreign policy decisions in Denmark since the Cold War,” said senior foreign policy researcher Hans Mouritzen at the Danish Institute for International Studies. "

In the end it is just one big soap series. I will try to go in ignore mode again. Won't be solved, will only get worse with all the different angles people look at the situation. Merkel's time was over, she only didn't realise it. She gave the last push to the Brexit. Orban got power cause of her views. "Wir schaffen das" gave Geert Wilders many votes also.

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Of course, he wanna moni. He trade cocaine in the USA with Iranians And Obama was a senator in Chicago, where black kill black during drug wars, no?

How Hezbollah turned to trafficking cocaine and laundering money through used cars to finance its expansion.
In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.
https://www.politico.com/interactive...investigation/

pipelines, not a problem, it is money



Russia and Germany and EU signed this agreement and fully comply with it. Only the United States came out.


Do not care about it, germoney wiill build green cars for independence nations without Russian gas, on renewable energy

The USA have their energy projects in Russia. They want to sell LNG gas around the world.
Today battle between Germany and the USA. Liberals funded by Saudis against usa exonn ))


If you against Germany - take political and energy power in EU, Turkey get.

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"Trump acknowledged that some of NATO's poorer members might have trouble meeting the figure, but said the US could "help them out a little bit" with finance, adding that the US made "by far the best" military equipment."

Ahh so it was all just about filling the coffers of the War Inc

Tasty1

The media had an interview with a dutch usa expert/journalist and he said Trump won. There was only one subject on the agenda cause Trump controlled the agenda. After years of USA presidents saying other countries had to invest more, he made his point clear that it doesn't mean "maybe next year, if there is no this or that excuse).

We will save the climate buy using natural gas instead of natural oil to fuel all the electric cars and produce them And than try to expand the market and sell even more cars. And you think that won't be negative for the climate.... maybe if you use software from Volkswagen to measure the amount of pollution you will get results that meet the Climate Paris Agreement (on paper).

fact is that if you look at the pipleline, it is dividing the EU and the Allies. As did many of Merkels policies. We are a 2 years after Trump and his wall. In the meantime Europe has build his own wall. Fort Europa. But it is easier to sent all attention to what Trump does or doesn't. Cause of german policy everyone tried their luck and paid big to smugglers. Thousands drowned cause they had the idea they coul stay. And instead of saying they where illegal and no change so they wouldn't try it, Europe used a NGO Refugee Watertaxi. That couldn't prevent all those people from drowning though.

With such friends, you don't need enemies:
Own-goal: Swedes drop boycott of Russian World Cup as soccer team advances
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...team-advances/

That is what i say all time, they all have butter on their heads. One for one instead one for all.
And buying gas, so that all can invest in new weapons cause of the tentions. What a great plan.

I don't care about the pipeline. Not my problem and i will never join an army when things go out of hand.
But all the blaming and crying about Trump. While everybody does the same, their country first and fuck the rest.
If Russia had proven to be a good partner, there would be less problems. But the same counts for Europe.
It is time for new leaders around the globe / Europe.

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Macron rejects Trump’s claim that Russia controls Germany
https://nypost.com/2018/07/11/macron...trols-germany/

France’s Macron Doesn’t Agree that Germany Is ‘Captive’ to Russia
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...captive-russia

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dyna mo

solid points.

although natural gas is just as bad as oil for the environment, it's loaded with methane.

maybe VW can make a defeat device for that too. eu governments will heil 5 that and also cut taxes for VW like they always do.

Google Expert

So you'd rather your tax money went to supporting the shitskin rapefugees who invade and destroy your country instead of defense or healthcare programs, etc?

Dumbass.

dyna mo

checkout the monogram on trump's shirt cuff.

thommy

you forgot to add that these refugees did not even come when you would not destroy their countries.

so YES i prefer that. and to make sure that it does not end up in trumps pocket i would even prefer to burn it.

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dyna mo

poor sad little europe always the victim.