Robbie

The "investigation" was started long before the Trump tower meeting.

And if getting an email saying "We have dirt on Clinton" and replying "I love it" is illegal...well, it isn't...so that's a rhetorical statement.

I think the ONLY thing the media wants out of this is to be able to say "Trump lied again!!!"

To which I and millions of others will shrug our shoulders and say "so what?"
EVERYBODY tells lies. Everybody. You, me, preachers...and ESPECIALLY politicians.

I've said it before...I voted for Trump's ideas on the economy. And I am very happy with the results.

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Bladewire

Ignorance is bliss, as you prove with every post

Time To Worry About Inflation -- And The Fed's Effort To Stop It | Forbes

Acepimp

Seeking opposition research is not a crime, unless it's a foreign government. Some lawyer chick is not the government of Russia.

But there were crimes committed:

Yes, Trump Jr. Was 'Collusion Curious,' But Where's the Outrage About Hillary's Ukraine Collusion?

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baddog

Neither of those are relevant.

So, dirt is of value? How much is it worth?

You know what's funny about you jumping in to conversations over the last year, is that I cannot help but to recall the time you had some mutual "friend" PM me to let me know that you weren't the dick you were coming off to be. In a nutshell, I could not give two shits about what your pussy ass thinks.

GAMEFINEST

If he has nothing to fear, then why keep lying?

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Just in everyone... Robbie is ok with conspiracy to rig a election.. violation of our Constitution, obstruction of justice , taking kids from their families and not returning them.. all because he thinks he might make 3% more income...maybe .

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Tasty1

You wouldn't believe 5 years ago either that Sarkozy was funded by Ghadaffi. But Sarkozy is now under arrest for that.... and he used Nato (and Obama/Hillary) to bomb Lybia as it looks now. And old fashioned maffia way to get of your debts, kill them.

And than in 'democratic' europe a France leader has more power over The Netherlands than the people has voted for themselves in The Netherlands.
Europe is run by criminals, Sarkozy, Berlusconi, Merkel. Merkel killend thousands of economic refugees by saying Wir Schaffen Das.
And than they came by sea and thousands drowned.... And she is still in charge? Taking no responsibility?
If Trump would have done that i can predict what a lot of people would say... Just like the wall "Fort Europa".
But Merkel OK, Trump Ney?

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If Hillary broke the law: indict her. I have no problem with that. She's not the president though.

But the logic cannot be: Donald gets a free pass on anything he or his campaign may (or may not) have done illegally just because "Hillary did it too".

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do I, as a foreigner, have to explain you the meaning of the word "value"?


but looking at how much money Trump saves alone through his own tax cuts I'd say

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Great news! I will let Chump know that our resident legal expert said these laws don't apply to him, i'm sure he will be relieved.

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but you changethesubject.

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WOW!!!! That is amazing! I wonder if that tshirt is meant to be real, or a joke? Wow again..

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US trade deficit grew to $46.3 billion in June, first increase in four months.


But Robbie thinks the tariffs are working great.... fucking idiot..

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directfiesta

yep, like if only the US had a boost ...

Here is what it looks like in our socialist country, Canada:

#thankstrump



lol

Bladewire

Why does everything Trump SAYS he's doing end up producing the exact opposite result? WTF

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Chump will continue to say he knew nothing about it until evidence comes out that he did. Then he'll say I did nothing illegal!

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Bladewire

And then after it comes out it was illegal he'll say he didn't know or was so inundated running for POTUS that it got in under his radar.

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Yes, it is illegal.

It is illegal for a political campaign to receive any kind of assistance or support from a foreign government. Trump Jr., Manafort, and Choen went into that meeting with the intention of receiving stolen information about a political opponent that was hacked by a foreign power. You are talking about conspiring with a foreign government to commit election fraud. How many laws does that violate? Election fraud? Hacking? Getting aid from a foreign government? Treason?

It's now become painfully obvious that this meeting was not a "nothing burger". This meeting wasn't about adaptions at all. This meeting was a conspiracy where the Trump campaign was working directly with the Russian government with the intention of committing election fraud. Do you really expect anyone to believe that a someone who works directly for the Russian government came to the Trump campaign and told them they had "dirt" on Hillary but instead wanted to talk about adapting children? You can't remotely be serious.

We've had nothing but lie after lie after lie after lie about this meeting. If there was nothing to hide.... Why all of the lies and shifting stories?

I'll tell you exactly what really happened here.... The Russian government contacted the Trump campaign through Carter Page. They told Cater Page that they had the information. Then Trump, Trump Jr, Manafort, and Choen, went into a meeting where they discussed with the Russian government about information (emails) the Russian government had hacked. They set up back channel communications using Roger Stone, Erik Prince, and Choen.

This is treason at the highest level. The Trump campaign was working with the Russian government to win the election. The amount of support the Trump campaign received from the Russian government was huge.

But don't worry Robbie. I'm sure no crimes have been committed. It's a nothing burger. It's nothing to worry about. I'm sure the Mueller investigation will end just like the dozen Hillary investigations with no wrong doing and no indictments.

Drip. Drip. Drip.

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Rochard

We've had a dozen investigations into Hillary Clinton, and ALL of them have come back with "no wrong doing" and no crime committed. Maybe we should have another investigation.

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Not that you care, but they did more than just send a few emails. He met with her intending to get information from her. In short, he met with her intending to commit a crime and may have committed a crime just meeting with her about this.

Rochard

Of course, this assumes that all they did was "meet" with them - and then did nothing else.

Does anyone really believe the Trump people wanted this information, and the Russians wanted to give it to them, and although they agreed to have a meeting they suddenly decided during the meeting not to take the information? You don't think the Russians handed them a flash drive with every email they hacked on it? You don't think the Russians gave them instructions on how to contact them secretly? You don't think the Russians told them that they were sending the NRA tens of millions of dollars, which the NRA then gave to the Trump campaign?

LOL.

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2MuchMark

Hi Robbie,

You are right. Getting dirt on Clinton isn't a crime exactly. It's sneaky maybe, but you're right, it's not a crime.

But it looks like there was. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-papadopolous

It's possible to find out if Trump campaign violated the US legal code via conspiracy to defraud the United States, and or working with a foreign power to sway the election, etc.

If the meeting was to get dirt on Hillary, and the dirt came from stolen emails, then that's a crime. Trump's adviser George Papadopoulos knew about the theft, but then lied about it. This is a crime too. Have Donald and his sons been lying about this too and if so, are they too not crimes?

I would agree with you if you said that all of this is just conjecture, but certainly you would agree that if Hillary Clinton won and all of this seem to implicate Clinton in some kind of scheme with Russia to win, that you would expect an investigation.



He does seem to lie quite a bit.


I get that, but is it possible that Trump may lie one day about something very serious or imporant to you? Or that could affect national security? Or that maybe he lied about something that caused you to vote for him?

I'll give him some credit on this.

Peace my brotha.

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Robbie

How can you meet with a girl who tells you she has "dirt" on your opponent and it is a crime?
Campaigns do that all the time.

And what you are proposing is that since Trump Jr. met a girl for info (which is normal campaign stuff) and she's from Russia (and coincidentally didn't HAVE any info...AND met with Fusion GPS the day before the meeting with Trump Jr. and the day after as well)...then that is a "crime"???

But the Hillary campaign ACTIVELY SEARCHING for "dirt" on Trump and hiring a British guy to buy that info from the Russians is perfectly legal?

I don't know if it occurs to you how fucked up that sounds. But I think that most reasonable people can come to one of these conclusions:

1. It's all a "crime" (somehow) and both Hillary and Trump should go to jail and Pence should be President.

2. The crime was the Hillary campaign buying info from the Russian govt. and then the FBI actually USING it as part of their application for a FISA warrant.

3. The crime is ONLY Donald Trump Jr. answering an email and agreeing to the meeting and Trump should go to jail.

or
4. This whole thing of Russian "collusion" (which isn't a "crime" anyway) is a political witch hunt.

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Rochard

How do you not get this?

There is nothing illegal about doing opposition research. In fact, it's common. Everyone does it. However, a political campaign cannot under any circumstance get political help from a foreign country. And no matter what, you cannot accept information or data that was hacked, stolen, or illegally acquired.

A political campaign working with a foreign government is treason.

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crockett

Girl = Russian National... which equals forgien national, who is a spy. The law is very clear, if you dont understand it, perhaps you shouldnt be commenting on things above your intelligence level..


Its amazing how you so easily glass over tne details when its your guy.. yet you believed anything at all bad about Obama and Hillary..

Its very strange that you find that its ok for Trump to try to make deals with a Russian spy.. Yet you vilified Hillary for having a private email server that was never hacked..

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Rochard

And they still do it, every time. "But but... Hillary....."

Robbie just said "But the Hillary campaign ACTIVELY SEARCHING for "dirt" on Trump and hiring a British guy to buy that info from the Russians is perfectly legal?"

Hillary Clinton didn't buy from a foreign national. Instead, she hired Fusion GPS - which is located in Washington DC. This is a well established company that works for both sides of the political arena. In fact, didn't the work Fusion GPS did start with the Republicans?

If anyone thinks Hillary Clinton did anything wrong.... We should have an investigation. You know - the 16th time is a charm, right?

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I have said a million times, if Hillary did something wrong she should be investigated and if found to have broken the law punished accordingly. Anything Hillary may or may have not done has no bearing on whether or not Trump is guilty of crimes himself.

Let's break down the Trump meeting.

1. Don Jr. gets an email telling him someone from Russia may have dirt on Hillary. It said right in the emails this information would be coming from Russians including information that high level Russians were involved. So far, no law has been broken.

2. Don Jr. replies back that this would be good and over a few emails they eventually set up the details about a meeting. So far, likely still no law broken.

3. Don Jr. actually met with people from Russia to accept dirt on Hillary Clinton. I'm not a lawyer, but there are many experts who say this is likely conspiracy to commit election fraud. He went there with the intent to commit a crime (getting info from them) and, supposedly, didn't get anything. If he really didn't get anything, that is good, but going there with the intent to do so is very possibly a crime. If you walk into a bank with a gun and you set a note down on the teller's desk that demands they give you money and they tell you they have no money so you just leave, you still attempted to rob a bank.

4. Don Jr. and his dad then co-author a statement that was full of lies about the meeting. There are a number of stories surrounding it, but now we are starting to get the truth which is that this statement was drafted to cover Don Jr's ass. This may be some form of obstruction.

Are these things minor? I don't think so, but I can see how some people might feel that way. Still, I feel it warrants being looking into and a determination made as to whether or not this was illegal and if so what needs to happen next.

Robbie

I think that in the environment that Pres. Trump found himself in (a media and Democrat Party obssessed with Russia)...that he 100% felt (and rightfully so) that he should state that the meeting was about the Magnitsky Act (the law about Russian adoptions) instead of "meeting with Russians about the election".

The meeting WAS about the Magnitsky Act as it turned out anyway.

But no...meeting with some girl saying she's got info from the Russian Govt. on Hillary is NOT a crime in any way, shape, or form.

What do you suppose Trump would have done if the meeting actually had produced info on Hillary committing a crime with the Russians?

He would have told the FBI. Which would have arrested her and ended her campaign anyway.

That's exactly what the Clinton campaign did when they aggressively sent their British foreign national out to BUY any info he could find from the Russians. They couldn't find a crime...so they took a dossier full of lies about sex to the FBI.

This whole thing is a political witch hunt.

If the Russians know that Hillary or Trump committed any kind of crime...we SHOULD be told about it.
I don't give a damn who has the info.
The American people should be given that information.

Turns out...neither of them did anything with the Russians.

But now Trump has committed an imaginary "crime" by lying to the media?
I think anyone in his situation would have done the same thing.
Surrounded by hostile media and politicians and the deep state establishment...Trump and his family are under 24 hour a day attack from these people.

I wouldn't tell the media a goddamn thing quite frankly. Unless they start reporting the news and stop their 24 hour talk show Trump-bashing.

And I'm pretty sure that we already KNOW what Trump Jr. testified before Congress.
He already TOLD them it was supposed to be about Hillary. Hell, he even showed them the message on his phone.
And he also told them that it turned out to be about the Magnitsky Act instead and a waste of time.

So there really is nothing new here at all. And no crime committed.

But the media is breathless (again) about it. And again...they will be unhinged because nothing will come of it.

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2MuchMark

It's a given. The meeting may have been about Magnitsky Act, and only the Magnitsky Act. However, there is some evidence that the meeting may have been about other things, possibly illegal things. Hence, an investigation.


Probably yes. No one knows for sure, but Trump says it was, so let's take that as a given for now.

Correct! The meeting itself is not necessarily a crime. No problem there.

That doesn't matter in this discussion. Let's table that.



Stay on target - stay on target! (Star Wars, woo!)

If Hillary commited a crime, she'll be tossed in jail one day. No argument. But that's not the point of this discussion.

Maybe you are 100% right. But, we won't really know until the investigation is completed, right? Maybe it's all a scam and a huge waste of money and time and Trump is squeaky clean. But for now, the investigation is ongoing, right? Nothing you or I can do about it, right? So let's let it continue, and let's encourage Mr. Trump and friends to tell the whole truth so that the truth can be revealed. Truth is important, no?

I absolutely agree with you. (But FYI, you kinda said that all politicians lie, so if Hillary did commit a crime, she might lie about it, and you'd have to be ok with that... )

BINGO! See? You and I think alike....!!

Well, we don't know that yet. They say they didn't. Let's let the investigation continue and see what it turns up.

No. Lying to the media isn't a crime. Lying to you isn't a crime, but you'd be pissed if he lied to you to get your vote, wouldn't you?

Maybe, but its a sad thing if the President of the United States has to lie.

No doubt. It probably wouldn't be as bad for him if he didn't lie so much. He has put his whole family under scrutiny now.


True, but the President of the United States has to answer to the people who elected him. Remember, he works for you. You voted for him to do a job, and you need to trust that he always has your best interest in mind and at heart every time he does something or makes a decision.

I'll say that again: You have to know that he has your best interest in heart.

I hope you are right. I really do.

Question for you: What if you are wrong? Will your opinion of Trump change?

The investigation will prove once in for all if a crime was committed or not. Let Mueller and his team do their job.

Forget the media. Filter out all that crap. Just try to watch the reports on the investigation and lets see where it goes.

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Rochard

Wouldn't this be a crime too? It's illegal for a political campaign to negotiate with a foreign country.


If this was a meeting about the Magnitsky Act, why did the emails say it was about "dirt on Hillary".

If this was a meeting about the Magnitsky Act, why lie about it?


Well, when you are under investigation you shouldn't say anything to anyone about anything....

This is the biggest thing to hit the news since Watergate. It's huge.

I watched the news this morning - my local channel. Took them twenty minutes to get to Trump's tweet this afternoon. Well, most of California is on fire right now so we have more pressing things to worry about.

If this is the case.... Then no worries. Right?

You keep trying to say there is no crime committed. If there was no crime committed the investigation will end with "no charges" and "no wrong doing". You know, just like it did with the dozen plus Hillary Clinton investigations.

But... If there is no wrong doing.... Why all of the lies about this?

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Facts & reality mean nothing to you you're drunk on dogma & misogyny.

As you've proven in this post, you'll blame anyone but Trump for Trump's failures.

You'll blame anyone but Trump for what Trump does, unless it's something you deem a positive.

Trump could kill your wife on 5th avenue and not lose your vote

Robbie

Replying to Mark:
You seem to be arguing that lying is bad.

Yep.

But HYPOCRISY and a DOUBLE STANDARD are just as bad.

The President lied? Really?

Wow.

Just like Obama lied about Benghazi (I watched him on the David Letterman show claim it was all caused by a "shady guy" who made a YouTube video...even though he knew from the moment the attack started that it was a terrorist group). And of course there was the Obama Care lie about insurance going DOWN by $2,500 a year and keep your doctor, keep your plan.

Or how about Bush? How about that "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" lie?

Or Bill Clinton lying about...well about a LOT of shit, including under oath (which got him impeached).

You see what I'm saying? The media EXCUSED every Obama lie and brushed it under the carpet.

But let Trump say the sky is blue today and they will immediately go apeshit and proclaim the sky is really light-blue and Trump is a liar and then start speculating on how this will help Mueller to "get" Trump.

The double standard and hypocrisy is just horrible.

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Next Robbie will tell us how he knows personally that Hillary gave a stand down order because he heard it on Rush Limprod Radio.. but..but..but Hillary... but..but Obama...

Suddenly nothing bad matters because it's his guy so it's all ok and he can just claim fake defense arguments of what some other guy did which makes anything Trump did illegal ok..


I suspect I can go rob a bank using the Robbie defense. If I get caught I can say. It's not a big deal I robbed the bank officer because Well Fargo illegally made fake accounts using customer data and foreclosed on people's homes due to a computer glitch.. I can now rob any bank I want and cite the Robbie defense to get away scott free!

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Rochard

Yes, really. He lies on a daily basis. About everything.

Right now he is lying about a meeting that is most likely treason. So there is that...

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When The Liar In Chief speaks, it's a lie!

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Dear uninformed leftists:

Benghazi Probe Finds Marines' Response Was Slowed by Uniform Changes

"A new congressional report on the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attack on a U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead found that the Marines tasked with responding to the attack had to change in and out of uniform four times, slowing their arrival at the scene of the attack.."

But but but it was because of a youtube video, right Obama & Hillary?

Clueless leftists don't care that they let 4 Americans get killed on purpose.

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I understand your stance. The idea that he is doing ok with the economy does not absolve him from any wrong doing if every other part of his life. He goofed up and then he compounded it. He needs to man up. If it is not a crime then why is he whining like a little bitch about it every fucking day?

Bladewire

The economy was BOOMING under Clinton and the Republicans impeached him for getting a blowjob.

Trump lucks Putin's ass on international TV side by side, lies on Twitter daily... and Republican congress does nothing.

Robby is fine with this because #HisTeam

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So Trump's son could hear something realy bad about Clinton in a private meeting with Russians. Ofcourse he should go there. Maybe they have information Hillary was a spy for Korea, or an Iranian agent, or stole billions. As a good citizen you want to know that so you can take action against it. Nothing wrong with that. If Hillary was totaly clean and there wss no dirt, than who cares about the meeting... But if there is dirt, it is her problem and not the sources problem.

If Russia came with information that our new president has a secret pedophile life, i want to know. Don't care if it is Russia or other country who comes with the information.

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and of course none of them met with hook-nosed Israelis.

But that's ok.

NewNick

Ah isn't that cute.

Robbie still thinks that the Trump posse and the Russian spies were discussing adoption........

You need to catch up Robbie, even your Orange Emperor has given up trying to keep up that pretence.

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Robbie doesn’t care. They all lie, and he got a tax break.

Busty2

Federal Election Campaign Act, Section 30121 of Title 52, broadly outlaws donations or other contributions of a “thing of value” by any foreigner in connection with a US election – or even an express or implied promise to take such action, directly or indirectly.

In other words even if Chump Jr didn't get the dirt he was promised he is still guilty of breaking the law by conspiring with a foreign entity!
Crump Jr. could also face perjury charges if he is shown to have lied to a Congressional committee about his intentions for the meeting and particularly his understanding of who would be there.
When he goes down, and he will, lets see if he flips on the old man.
The longer this goes on, the more tweets Chump makes, the deeper he digs himself into the shit. He is doing Mullers job for him

Rochard

When you say he is "doing ok with the economy" you mean "he hasn't fucked up the economy Obama left him"....

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Robbie doesn't get this.... He doesn't seem to think any crime has been committed.

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Let's forget the FACT Hillary actually paid for and received assistance from a ex-foreign official who received his info from RUSSIANS..

Let's forget the FACT that "unverified and salacious" "deemed not suitable for use" was then used to open an investigation by the opposing PRESIDENT


Let's forget the FACT that said Russian attorney was allowed special entry into the US by the previous Admin

Let's forget the FACT that said Russian attorney worked for the very company that produced the "salacious, not suitable for use" dossier.

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And no, im not a hillary supporter... nor a trump supporter. I just deal with reality.

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The reality is the cover up of her emails is what began it all...

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