News Google & others are suppressing voices of Conservatives

[VRPdommy]

Google & others are suppressing voices of Conservatives ?
CNN
https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/28/tec...ged/index.html


Do the search...
I see only reporting what has been said by leaders including trump for the most part.
If it's bad news, perhaps they should say something different !

What is 'GOOD NEWS' for conservatives ?
Perhaps they should try making some !
Like someone introduced legislation that has support from both sides.
Never happen because they do not want it to happen.
So what then... make good news from bad news... That would be FAKE NEWS !

This may sum it up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...?noredirect=on

It is obvious that a sudden reality has checked in at the white house that the mid-terms are not going to go as they might have hoped.
But they do indeed control their own message and news. To bad they have made little of it.
Time to face the voters for the real opinion poll.

[beerptrol]

They are all about free economy and deregulation until it adversely affects them

President has a problem because when he types his name into google he doesn't see...great leader...greatest president of all time.....Big Hands....Our savior....loved by all....man of honor and courage....

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Google has some extremely useful products, but its political bias is nothing new.

This is a pretty long interview with the fired Google engineer James Damore (his ultimate sin was to mention that men and women are different, he was fired on the spot).

If anyone has time to listen to this in the background etc. it's rather interesting:



There's many examples that you can verify on your own in real time where you see the bias right away.

Different search results for Google.com "american inventors" and google.es "inventor americano" being the least harmful of those.

Then again, I am sure many will be fine with a company that has a practical monopoly on the internet information utilizing political bias, even using (largely discredited) private organizations such as SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) and ADL (Anti Defamation league) in order to "filter" their search results (or manually modify them). As long as it benefits their team.

[VRPdommy]

I suppose, in their last ditch effort to win some seats, they will resort to fear mongering again. It will be interesting to see how deep it goes this time around.

Most news is just the BS that trump tweets out everyday.

I wonder, with all those around him going to jail, who will be left to drain that swamp.

FYI...
A witch hunt should not be a problem if there are no witch's to be found.

[VRPdommy]

After additional evening news broadcast, seeing trump state his case in his own words,
It appears to be that he really is angry that Russia can not plant fake stuff on google, facebook and others.
At least, not as easily.

Must be a testament that google and facebook have eliminated many of the fake outside influences.

[directfiesta]

Just ask Murdoch to launch GoogleFox search engine ....

[dyna mo]

The research was biased/flawed. It's my understanding that the subset of conservative news outlets they used for comparison only included a handful, like 3-4.

[kane]

Even if this were true, wouldn't it be legal seeing as there is no net neutrality anymore?

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by kane

Even if this were true, wouldn't it be legal seeing as there is no net neutrality anymore?

Really has nothing to do with net neutrality, at all, which is about whether a isp can give preferred treatment to some sites over others.
Google & Facebook is not a ISP, (in most areas).

Trump would only slander these folks if he wanted to warrant action on his part. Trying to give it some merit in the eyes of the people.
But it really is about Google and Facebook removing those fake accounts.

But yes, I would welcome some rules on 'search' to resemble those put forth in net neutrality but not by this administration. But even that is a slippery slope that I find distasteful.
Wait till you can see clear damage occurring, then take only action for a change to fix that.
This is not one of those type of 'damage' situations.
Just dismay from the inability of outside entities to enable news confusion/disinformation.

[kane]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Really has nothing to do with net neutrality, at all, which is about whether a isp can give preferred treatment to some sites over others.
Google & Facebook is not a ISP, (in most areas).

Trump would only slander these folks if he wanted to warrant action on his part. Trying to give it some merit in the eyes of the people.
But it really is about Google and Facebook removing those fake accounts.

But yes, I would welcome some rules on 'search' to resemble those put forth in net neutrality but not by this administration. But even that is a slippery slope that I find distasteful.
Wait till you can see clear damage occurring, then take only action for a change to fix that.
This is not one of those type of 'damage' situations.
Just dismay from the inability of outside entities to enable news confusion/disinformation.

Thanks for the info. I knew net neutrality affected ISP's but I wasn't sure if Google fell in that realm because they have Google Fiber and they have a lot of partnerships with companies like Verizon.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

Even if this were true, wouldn't it be legal seeing as there is no net neutrality anymore?

FTC investigated google for search neutrality a few years back and determined they are within their rights to favor content.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

FTC investigated google for search neutrality a few years back and determined they are within their rights to favor content.

That is correct to say it that way but a bit misleading if you let it.
They can discriminate based on other factors.
And there are more than most would think of to be discriminated.
ie
Spoof sites have always had their ranking pulled. Well maybe not always but for more than the last 10 years.
When I say spoof, I mean sites made to look like some other commercial site.
This kinda stuff does not go on much anymore and just because they took the benefits away with search.

ie
you are a registered user with a profile and we know your likes and dislikes and can discriminate accordingly. (and you gave your permission to do so (perhaps unknowingly))

There are many other examples. But i think it is explained better.

But search is to find what you are looking for. And that can be a matter of opinion.
So let's not start imposing others opinions in search.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

That is correct to say it that way but a bit misleading if you let it.
They can discriminate based on other factors.
And there are more than most would think of to be discriminated.
ie
Spoof sites have always had their ranking pulled. Well maybe not always but for more than the last 10 years.
When I say spoof, I mean sites made to look like some other commercial site.
This kinda stuff does not go on much anymore and just because they took the benefits away with search.

ie
you are a registered user with a profile and we know your likes and dislikes and can discriminate accordingly. (and you gave your permission to do so (perhaps unknowingly))

There are many other examples. But i think it is explained better.

I was going by memory when I posted that but after you wrote this I refreshed my memory and absolutely nothing I posted was misleading.

In fact,

The Federal Trade Commission recently voted unanimously to close its antitrust investigation into Google’s search practices after concluding that the firm’s practice of favoring its own content in its search results did not violate U.S. antitrust laws. The agency determined that, although the practice (often called “search bias”) may have an incidental negative impact on some competitors, it was a product improvement that likely benefited consumers. Additionally, it concluded that Google did not selectively change its search algorithm to exclude competition, and any disadvantage to competing websites was the collateral result of changes that likely improved the quality of Google searches.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2245295

[VRPdommy]

I would like some of you folks reading this, who understand how the internet works in general, from using it for your own site.

You all do Search Engine optimization in one form or another.
If you are going to take action against skewed searches, shouldn't this be illegal according to trumps claim.
You are skewing search results, perhaps even outside of true content search merit.
It's all the same ! Think about it hard before promoting any position.

[celandina]

Google Youtube etc... should be broken down for contravening the Sherman Act...i think Trump will do it.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by celandina

Google Youtube etc... should be broken down for contravening the Sherman Act...i think Trump will do it.

Name one thing Google has done to stifle competition. They became what they are simply because they did it better. They didn't buy up all their competitors, nor are they using their position to artificially raise prices to consumers.

Trump is simply attempting to silence any type of media that reports anything negative against him. His supporters are just ignorant fascist supporting fuckwads that would allow him to remove all civil rights and suck his cock while he does it.

[beerptrol]

Snowflake in Chief is butt hurt because everyone isn't kissing his ass. He sees some bullshit reporting and takes it as fact! #fascism #russianpuppet #russianlover

Cleveland Browns are going to go after google too. When people google cleveland browns they want super bowl champs...best team in the nfl...greatest of all time to appear instead of shitiest nfl team

Google should remove alt right sites like Breitbart in order to trigger you alt right snowflakes even more!

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by celandina

Google Youtube etc... should be broken down

Agreed

We want our internet back.

[bronco67]

The reason you see only bad shit about conservatives is that there is only bad shit. It's not even subjective. They like to suppress rights, discriminate and steal at the expense of everyone else. What good thing do they represent except for wanting lower taxes? We all want to pay lower (or no) taxes but it's necessary to run the country.

Trump only sees bad things about himself because THAT'S ALL THERE IS! He's a piece of shit scumbag. What thing is good about him?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

They are all about free economy and deregulation until it adversely affects them

President has a problem because when he types his name into google he doesn't see...great leader...greatest president of all time.....Big Hands....Our savior....loved by all....man of honor and courage....

The sad truth.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

They are all about free economy and deregulation until it adversely affects them

President has a problem because when he types his name into google he doesn't see...great leader...greatest president of all time.....Big Hands....Our savior....loved by all....man of honor and courage....

That is exactly right.

[Acepimp]

Hey all you "progressive" lunatics:

Diamond and Silk Clash with Rep. Hank Johnson in Explosive Hearing on Censorship

Diamond & Silk, two black women and former Democrats, are not alt-right neo nazis. There's no "hate speech", racism, sexism, or any other BS you accuse Republicans of. There's NO legitimate reason to censor / demonetize / outright ban them and others on the right with similar viewpoints. It's discrimination. You DemocRats are cheering censorship because it helps the liberal agenda. Nice job, fascists

[oppoten]

He's going to war with you hook-nosed filth

#StopTheBias

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...07478566359041

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by oppoten

He's going to war with you hook-nosed filth

#StopTheBias

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...07478566359041

Cos we are all Jew scum right ?

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I was going by memory when I posted that but after you wrote this I refreshed my memory and absolutely nothing I posted was misleading.

In fact,



https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2245295

I did not say YOU were misleading. just that the statement can be misleading as read.
Your citation is justified with only GOGGLE's self promotion content.
So it was misleading as written.
It did not allow them to discriminate any/all content and that was not what was challenged in the court.

[lock]

If a website isn't found on page one I supposed it is suppressed in Google also.

[PornDiscounts-V]

Content gets favored by clicks.

Google cannot help it if right wing dumb fucks are outnumbered by left wing educated people.

[bronco67]

So the Google algorithms are pre-coded to favor liberals.

Conservatives are too dumb to know how fucking dumb they are.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

Content gets favored by clicks.

Google cannot help it if right wing dumb fucks are outnumbered by left wing educated people.

Content is favored by 'content' and 'engagement' which is tracked by time on the page as well as the number of hits drawn by specific keywords, keyword phrases found in 'content'.

The old keyword list are not used anymore. Google combs the site and determines themselves what they are. Matching that with 'search words and phrases' with weight given by engagement.

So you could have a site on the sex life of ants and if you are not using the right words in content or have the most interesting pages deeper in the site, it is likely to rank low.
Use the wrong words and likely be marked as a adult site.

Not saying I agree with it all. You could loose your life's blood if a algorithm changes. And they do in attempts to lower the results of those with no real content. (spoofing search)

But my experience has been all the attempts to spoof the seo require constant work to keep it on par. Your just after the traffic and you don't care how you get it. While if you just do it the natural way, it is so much less work. But it does require real content. And that is what many are hoping to get away with. Getting traffic for adds/leading to sales from little to no real content or misleading content.

But don't forget you have page rankings, article rankings and site rankings.
Analytics may show you only one of these somewhat, but google is tracking more than their own analytics platform is showing you.

It's as much work to keep doing continuous seo as it is to do real content. But less frustrating. Content authors do not realize their true value.

How can anyone argue trumps claim when it is possible to spoof the results.
Company's do it in a effort to 'drown out their competitors' when possible even with 3rd party sites (hired seo specialist co's). As applied to politics, that is part of the Russian election meddling is about. Put up fake/misleading content and artificially drive up the seo value. Well, apparently, the algorithms have changed. Welcome to seo.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Name one thing Google has done to stifle competition. They became what they are simply because they did it better. They didn't buy up all their competitors, nor are they using their position to artificially raise prices to consumers.

Trump is simply attempting to silence any type of media that reports anything negative against him. His supporters are just ignorant fascist supporting fuckwads that would allow him to remove all civil rights and suck his cock while he does it.

Google is a search engine and a good one, so if they do not do any shenanigans let them keep it, but Sherman Act was concieved not to bother small companies, but big and successfull ones from cornering a market and taking over other businesses, thus stiffling copettition and "fixing" all the rules. So, let them keep search, but take away:

Youtube
Android operating system
Nest Labs
Ad Sense
E commerce wallet
Google Play
Motorola
Rights Flow
Google Fiber



The things which just should be controlled by some public body are:

Google Maps
Google Drive
Google Chrome
Calico

Also, if you look closer, there are about 100 other companies Google bought and or merged with which were "robbed out" and dumped or left exposed to investor fear.

I cannot believe that US congress is sleeping on this issue. That is not a competitive capitalism, that is a highway robbery. I would take the same yardstick yo Apple, Amazon, PayPal, Facebook and maybe a few others...I hope Trump will give it a shot.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by bronco67

So the Google algorithms are pre-coded to favor liberals.

Conservatives are too dumb to know how fucking dumb they are.

FACTS- GET SOME

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

FACTS- GET SOME

Well now, I see you have found the the use of a extra letter changes search.
Does that surprise you ?

[King Mark]

Google can do whatever it wants... just like gfy.

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

they got called out on "is awesome", so they must've removed it.

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Cos we are all Jew scum right ?

Pretty much, if the replies to his tweet are anything to go by.

Shame you didn't enjoy Vienna. I'm hoping it will be the center of a European renaissance, so we can drop this east-west divide-and-conquer bullshit.

[oppoten]

It's very telling how many Jews are defending Google.

From the beginning, Google's method of ranking websites was intended to favor Jews. They network better than everyone else, and links from Jewish media were more likely to be perceived as "authoritative". So with various penalties for the goy, they were easily able to crank it up.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by oppoten

It's very telling how many Jews are defending Google.

From the beginning, Google's method of ranking websites was intended to favor Jews. They network better than everyone else, and links from Jewish media were more likely to be perceived as "authoritative". So with various penalties for the goy, they were easily able to crank it up.

This is the most psychotic psychobabble ever posted on gfy. Did a jew shove sharp things up your ass when you were a kid?

[oppoten]

^ (((Ad Hominem))) rep

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by oppoten

Pretty much, if the replies to his tweet are anything to go by.

Shame you didn't enjoy Vienna. I'm hoping it will be the center of a European renaissance, so we can drop this east-west divide-and-conquer bullshit.

Vienna was ok, but I preferred Munich.

I also spent some time at Dachau. You would have loved it. There happened to be quite a lot of muslims visiting as well. Do you like muslims ?

It made me think about that whole situation. Your enemies enemy is your friend etc. Were some of the muslims filing respectfully around a concentration camp secretly thinking what a shitty job the The Reich did ?

Or, as I hope, were they all touched by the shared humanity in such an appalling place. Preserved Death camps really do have a powerful effect on the visitor.

Your fantasies for a White Power European Renaissance are absurd. But so is your Jew obsession.

SuckOnThis hit the proverbial nail on the head. A lot of gay haters turn out to be gay, and Alex Jones loves Tranny porn. Is our resident Jew obsessed loon actually one of the chosen people ?

[celandina]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Vienna was ok, but I preferred Munich.

I also spent some time at Dachau. You would have loved it. There happened to be quite a lot of muslims visiting as well. Do you like muslims ?

It made me think about that whole situation. Your enemies enemy is your friend etc. Were some of the muslims filing respectfully around a concentration camp secretly thinking what a shitty job the The Reich did ?

Or, as I hope, were they all touched by the shared humanity in such an appalling place. Preserved Death camps really do have a powerful effect on the visitor.

Your fantasies for a White Power European Renaissance are absurd. But so is your Jew obsession.

SuckOnThis hit the proverbial nail on the head. A lot of gay haters turn out to be gay, and Alex Jones loves Tranny porn. Is our resident Jew obsessed loon actually one of the chosen people ?

You are in a "good"company !!!



Hitler and a Grand Mufti of Jerusalem ( 1943)




The new Jihad is as bad as NAZIs !

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by oppoten

It's very telling how many Jews are defending Google.

From the beginning, Google's method of ranking websites was intended to favor Jews. They network better than everyone else, and links from Jewish media were more likely to be perceived as "authoritative". So with various penalties for the goy, they were easily able to crank it up.

Build your own search engine and call it 'ImANaziHomo.com' and your buddies will come.

[dyna mo]

Jewtropolis is where Jewperman fights Lex Jewthor, right oppoten? or is that goytham city?

[cherrylula]

Silly webmasters. Trump is a propaganda machine. Trumps tweets are promoting the next big thing. All this bashing is because the elections coming, also in 2020, and they do not want to give Facebook all the action like they did last time. Facebook will be like Myspace in the next couple years, the gravy years are done. 2016 was something else lol

Time to leave your bubble guys. Read this: http://thehill.com/policy/technology...on-of-facebook

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

Time to leave your bubble guys. Read this: http://thehill.com/policy/technology...on-of-facebook

That is so funny ! And again... NOT

They can't control the new media to say/spread their misinformation, so they want to create their own that will.

I can see it now... FAKEBOOK ! or would it get more traction as TrumpBook, MyLies, Spitter, OutSpaced ?

Didn't we have that with fox news ? ...LOL...

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Google has some extremely useful products, but its political bias is nothing new.

This is a pretty long interview with the fired Google engineer James Damore (his ultimate sin was to mention that men and women are different, he was fired on the spot).

If anyone has time to listen to this in the background etc. it's rather interesting:



There's many examples that you can verify on your own in real time where you see the bias right away.

Different search results for Google.com "american inventors" and google.es "inventor americano" being the least harmful of those.

Then again, I am sure many will be fine with a company that has a practical monopoly on the internet information utilizing political bias, even using (largely discredited) private organizations such as SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) and ADL (Anti Defamation league) in order to "filter" their search results (or manually modify them). As long as it benefits their team.

As with any job, when you become more of a liability than a asset, you soon hit the streets in search of new job !
He could have said many other things that would make himself just as much a liability.

But I still would like to see them (google) broken-up as well as some others.
Even BANKS, Hospitals, Insurance Co's & cable co's, Airlines and just about everyone else that has had a bunch of merger and acquisition in the last 20 years..