News Obamacare is unconstitutional?

[just a punk]

Obamacare: Texas court rules key health law is unconstitutional - BBC News

[BaldBastard]

Factcheck, The ACA was ruled constitutional twice by the supreme court: 2012 & 2015.

Repub. Congress got rid of the mandate as part of their tax overhaul recently.

Texas Court today ruled ACA is unconstitutional now that this republican change to the mandate has taken effect.

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Anyways Trump has a great plan for Healthcare in America, its truly an awesome plan!!, its better than any plan before... he's just not going to release it until he's out of Politics, and then he'll be telling America about all these great plans... via twitter.

Wanna hear a joke?

An Australian and a Russian walk into a bar, and one says to the other, "So what do you think about American Healthcare policy" .. Everyone else in the in the bar goes silent, then start laughing at the top of their lungs.. then go back to there beers.

cool joke huh!

[TisMe]

Courts ruled on it several times, but don't let the truth get in your way.

Keep making crap up to support your opinions.

No facts are needed at all as many posters prove daily here.

Join the crowd and take your place with the other idiots.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by TisMe

Courts ruled on it several times, but don't let the truth get in your way.

Keep making crap up to support your opinions.

No facts are needed at all as many posters prove daily here.

Join the crowd and take your place with the other idiots.

Get informed... It just happened !!!

[aimike]

A Texas Judge ruled ObamaCare unconstitutional.
Obama illegally rammed it down the throats of the American people.
This is another win for President Trump and the American people.

Libs can't stop losing... or crying.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by aimike

A Texas Judge ruled ObamaCare unconstitutional.
Obama illegally rammed it down the throats of the American people.
This is another win for President Trump and the American people.

Libs can't stop losing... or crying.

Yay, you celebrate the thought of 35 million sick people losing health coverage. What kind of sick fuck are you?

[VRPdommy]

I would just hate to be a Republican headed into the 2020 elections in any position.
They have stacked the deck by any means possible.

No matter if they can get away with their agenda or not, there will be a price for misjudgement of how it effects people and their wishes, and how much they care about what.

No matter your political affiliation, you just have to see one of the largest super majorities coming by 2022 that we have ever had for the democrats.

As I look around at what is going on in many states, I can see the same thing happening in Wisconsin, Michigan, N Carolina and perhaps even Texas.

Just does not look like good strategy overall in my book.
Sometimes actions have consequences.

[aimike]

the best kind

[klinton]

[Phoenix]

don't cry libs
one of obamas legacies is still thriving in libya

[Rochard]

The problem is one party is playing games at the national level instead of doing what is right for American citizens. Republicans don't like Obamacare - only because it has Obama's name on it - and they have been doing everything they can to shoot it down. They find what they think is a little crack in the law and find a judge willing to call it unconstitutional.

This is a horrible, evil, and vile way to run a country.

Obamacare works. More people than ever before have healthcare, and it's much cheaper than before. I have the same exact doctors as before. Our government needs to fix what is broken.

[King Mark]

America becoming great again still on track, especially of you have preexisting conditions. Great way for trump to deflect attention from his administrations legal woes. Almost genius, except treason is still more important... So rightards just loaded a gun and handed it to the leftards.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by aimike

the best kind

At least you admit your sociopathic nature. You must be very proud.

[King Mark]

Just a heads up:

-obamacare stays in effect, till supreme Court proceedings. Lol

-only reason it was found unconstitutional now, was because of a recent law change by republicans. Lol

...in other words: nothingburger (deflection tool)

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Yay, you celebrate the thought of 35 million sick people losing health coverage. What kind of sick fuck are you?

He's a brand new fake nic

Run by our resident alt-right hate fake nic troll that hates America and the admins ruin the board

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Factcheck, The ACA was ruled constitutional twice by the supreme court: 2012 & 2015.

Repub. Congress got rid of the mandate as part of their tax overhaul recently.

Texas Court today ruled ACA is unconstitutional now that this republican change to the mandate has taken effect.

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Well said and full of facts as usual well done!

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The problem is one party is playing games at the national level instead of doing what is right for American citizens. Republicans don't like Obamacare - only because it has Obama's name on it - and they have been doing everything they can to shoot it down. They find what they think is a little crack in the law and find a judge willing to call it unconstitutional.

This is a horrible, evil, and vile way to run a country.

Obamacare works. More people than ever before have healthcare, and it's much cheaper than before. I have the same exact doctors as before. Our government needs to fix what is broken.

There are different ways to look at it...
Only because of the amendment to it passed in the tax cuts last year makes it unconstitutional now, so only that amendment is unconstitutional.

So you really only need to go to the heart of the later legislation that made it unconstitutional passed in those tax cuts.

Or just repeal that whole bill tax cuts and all. Those tax cuts didn't help me anyway. But if I was a real estate guru, I would be in a gold mine from it.

It will be interesting as this is going to the Supreme Court and they have conflicting articles of the 'will of congress' and a new slanted court.

Not much worry on my part. In 2021 we might have medicare for all? or even no healthcare at all since the entire structure has been set in the AHCA.
When you break it, yes, it is broken, but they did nothing to fix it, so, it will fail for health care for everyone.

I see pressure in fixing it or it fails for everyone. It's just a matter of time before most realize that. But the cost of this stupidity is mounting. Someone is going to pay for it.
Guess who?

[onwebcam]

The Supreme Court ruled it "constitutional" because of the "penalty." The penalty has been removed.. So that argument no longer holds water. Which is what the judge decided.. They could add the penalty back on to resolve this but if they do "I" and many others have a case against them.. Why? Because I didn't send in an insurance form.. As a result, I received a letter from the IRS saying that I can never receive tax credit, ever.. In turn, I have a "taxation without representation" case.. The fine is considered a tax... You can't tax me and then make it so I can't abide by the rules of said "tax."

[kane]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

There are different ways to look at it...
Only because of the amendment to it passed in the tax cuts last year makes it unconstitutional now, so only that amendment is unconstitutional.

So you really only need to go to the heart of the later legislation that made it unconstitutional passed in those tax cuts.

Or just repeal that whole bill tax cuts and all. Those tax cuts didn't help me anyway. But if I was a real estate guru, I would be in a gold mine from it.

It will be interesting as this is going to the Supreme Court and they have conflicting articles of the 'will of congress' and a new slanted court.

Not much worry on my part. In 2021 we might have medicare for all? or even no healthcare at all since the entire structure has been set in the AHCA.
When you break it, yes, it is broken, but they did nothing to fix it, so, it will fail for health care for everyone.

I see pressure in fixing it or it fails for everyone. It's just a matter of time before most realize that. But the cost of this stupidity is mounting. Someone is going to pay for it.
Guess who?

I read that an easy fix would be to set the penalty for not having insurance to 1 penny. Then, technically, they are still collecting taxes and the mandate would be constitutional again.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Obamacare: Texas court rules key health law is unconstitutional - BBC News

Russian starts thread about healthcare in America when in Russian hospitals doctors punch and beat their patients to death

Both doctors killed their patients here, one after he did bypass surgery on the patient.

[CaptainHowdy]

I'm happy to say that I don't know what you people are talking about . . .

[Matt 26z]

If Obamacare is unconstitutional then so is mandatory car insurance. That's another one that needs to go.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

If Obamacare is unconstitutional then so is mandatory car insurance. That's another one that needs to go.

Your stupidity knows no bounds.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by kane

I read that an easy fix would be to set the penalty for not having insurance to 1 penny. Then, technically, they are still collecting taxes and the mandate would be constitutional again.

Legally, I don't think that passes the test. Even at a penny.

The issue is the repealed the individual mandate. The requirement for everyone to buy/have medical insurance.

So you are left with imposing a penalty if you don't have what is no longer required.
So the SC will have to decide based on 2 presidents.
They have already determined that they do have the right to regulate interstate commerce and that is where they have the right to require everyone to buy it.
(i never liked this model but it works) So they have to weigh that aginst the recent repeal of that mandate.
I believe the court will rule the recent repeal as unconstitutuional as part of the required whole.

Me, thinking like the court based on the past on this issue would say to congress, repeal the whole, change it but the whole can not work without this part so the individual mandate must stand until you do it a different way.

Basically saying the republicans actions were unconstitutional and sending the issue back to congress to legislate a different method if they still wish to do it.

I don't know how this will be argued before the court, but this likely as 1 possibility.
I would advise anyone to read Justus Roberts opinion when this first came up.

[kane]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Legally, I don't think that passes the test. Even at a penny.

The issue is the repealed the individual mandate. The requirement for everyone to buy/have medical insurance.

So you are left with imposing a penalty if you don't have what is no longer required.
So the SC will have to decide based on 2 presidents.
They have already determined that they do have the right to regulate interstate commerce and that is where they have the right to require everyone to buy it.
(i never liked this model but it works) So they have to weigh that aginst the recent repeal of that mandate.
I believe the court will rule the recent repeal as unconstitutuional as part of the required whole.

Me, thinking like the court based on the past on this issue would say to congress, repeal the whole, change it but the whole can not work without this part so the individual mandate must stand until you do it a different way.

Basically saying the republicans actions were unconstitutional and sending the issue back to congress to legislate a different method if they still wish to do it.

I don't know how this will be argued before the court, but this likely as 1 possibility.
I would advise anyone to read Justus Roberts opinion when this first came up.

My understanding is that they didn't actually repeal the individual mandate. They just set the fine to $0 so people in violation don't have to pay a fee. With the fee at zero it makes it no longer a tax which is the heart of the issue.

[TheSquealer]

Obamacare was so awesome that Democrats who voted for the bill also voted for a bill to exempt themselves from it.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by kane

My understanding is that they didn't actually repeal the individual mandate. They just set the fine to $0 so people in violation don't have to pay a fee. With the fee at zero it makes it no longer a tax which is the heart of the issue.

I believe you are correct. My reading of the texas case was not deep enough.

But I still don't see a general repeal of the whole package.
Not going to happen. In that the judge was talking out ass. Makes headlines and boosts base. I think he knows better.
But we will see what the actual remedy is going to be.
Could be a year or just 40 days.

[kane]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I believe you are correct. My reading of the texas case was not deep enough.

But I still don't see a general repeal of the whole package.
Not going to happen. In that the judge was talking out ass. Makes headlines and boosts base. I think he knows better.
But we will see what the actual remedy is going to be.
Could be a year or just 40 days.

I agree.The piece I read basically said that the way our laws work is that if part of a large law is ruled unconstitutional the rest of the law is allowed to stand and continue. The more I read the more it looks like this was an activist judge trying to make a statement.

I would love to see both parties sit down and come up with something that is actually good, but I don't think that is going to happen. Hopefully they do come up with a reasonable solution.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by kane

I agree.The piece I read basically said that the way our laws work is that if part of a large law is ruled unconstitutional the rest of the law is allowed to stand and continue. The more I read the more it looks like this was an activist judge trying to make a statement.

I would love to see both parties sit down and come up with something that is actually good, but I don't think that is going to happen. Hopefully they do come up with a reasonable solution.

The Republicans havent done anything good since Eisenhower. They have been actively trying to remove the ACA since it's inception, no way in hell are they going to do the right thing now.

If this stands it not only affects 133 million Americans with pre-existing conditions, it affects millions of seniors and disabled on Medicare, it affects over 12 million people who got coverage under Medicaid that wasnt available before, and it will place caps back on employer policies.

This is the Republicans in action. Over 70 times they were unsuccessful through legislation in taking away health coverage from the most vulnerable so they resort to a Bush appointed judge. They are nothing but a party of hate hell bent on making others suffer.

[kane]

Originally Posted by RedFred

The Republicans havent done anything good since Eisenhower. They have been actively trying to remove the ACA since it's inception, no way in hell are they going to do the right thing now.

If this stands it not only affects 133 million Americans with pre-existing conditions, it affects millions of seniors and disabled on Medicare, it affects over 12 million people who got coverage under Medicaid that wasnt available before, and it will place caps back on employer policies.

This is the Republicans in action. Over 70 times they were unsuccessful through legislation in taking away health coverage from the most vulnerable so they resort to a Bush appointed judge. They are nothing but a party of hate hell bent on making others suffer.

The Republicans have no interest in actually fixing the healthcare system. If they were actually interested in fixing healthcare, they could have already done it. The only reason they are now interested is because a lot of their poor voters are now getting free or cheap healthcare and they will be pissed if they lose it.

If the Republicans had their way, they would have repealed Obamacare the second Trump was sworn in. Now they are playing the game of trying to slowly tear it down then blame the Democrats.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by kane

The Republicans have no interest in actually fixing the healthcare system. If they were actually interested in fixing healthcare, they could have already done it. The only reason they are now interested is because a lot of their poor voters are now getting free or cheap healthcare and they will be pissed if they lose it.

If the Republicans had their way, they would have repealed Obamacare the second Trump was sworn in. Now they are playing the game of trying to slowly tear it down then blame the Democrats.

NO politician has any interest in fixing the health care system... There's too much money involved. ACA wasn't a fix.. It was the insurance industry writing their own "law" and making sure they continue to make huge profits..

ACA wasn't needed... They could have passed a simple law that covered pre-existing conditions and that's it.. Instead we have all sorts of additional BS... The health Insurance companies verifying income.. IRS verifying insurance.. The very basic purpose of the "law" is flawed... The 2 don't communicate.. The "victim" is required to jump through these hoops because of it. My son visited the ER about a month ago. I went to pick him up and he didn't have his insurance card.. The fucking hospital can't even determine whether or not he has insurance for fucks sake.... BILLIONS spent on this fucking website that does nothing more than "insurancequote.blah" does.. Hell I've got 3 fucking accounts on it because their god damn password retrieval shit is even fucked up and has been since inception

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by kane

I agree.The piece I read basically said that the way our laws work is that if part of a large law is ruled unconstitutional the rest of the law is allowed to stand and continue. The more I read the more it looks like this was an activist judge trying to make a statement.

I would love to see both parties sit down and come up with something that is actually good, but I don't think that is going to happen. Hopefully they do come up with a reasonable solution.

The plan has been to go after it in the courts since they new it was going to be ugly for them legislatively as we seen play out.
Even this play has to be known it will fail which leaves you with the fact they did it for show and rattle their base.

But at this point, it certainly just makes the republican position look really bad overall without even linking it to any other stupid deeds seen in the states.

This morning I can see in the sun morning political magazines that POTUS is trying to take the issue away from the democrats in some deal he can work out. At least give the impression he is working with them on a fix to neutralize the issue for him and the republicans. I'm not sure it needs any help from him to fix itself. Just let it play out in the court. They started it, let it finish and fix what needs fixed afterwards.

I would bet there is a some republican strategist about to loose their job soon.
This has been a very stupid move on their part headed into the 2020 elections.

But this will even bolster the argument of 'medicare for all' .

[RedFred]

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by RedFred

This has been going on for decades

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by RycEric

This has been going on for decades

What has? Republicans making it their main objective to kill Americans by ensuring they die without health care? I agree

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by RedFred

You still get that bill.. But you get a massive monthly bill to go along with it.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You still get that bill.. But you get a massive monthly bill to go along with it.

What's the matter....that $100 a month making it hard to swing the lot rent?


In the Bush years I was paying $1250 a month, show me anyone that pays that now.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by RedFred

What's the matter....that $100 a month making it hard to swing the lot rent?


In the Bush years I was paying $1250 a month, show me anyone that pays that now.

For insurance similar to what I had before this scam that's pretty much what the payment is WITH a $1500-$2000 deductible. It's over $1000 a mo for sure. I'll see if I can get back in for a screen shot. The lowest is $460 something with a $8000 deductible. Anything that's not around $1000 is pretty much unusable unless you've got major medical issues. As in it's catastrophic insurance at $460+ a month.

At this rate a person would be better off shelling out that much for life insurance and if you have any life threatening issues just go ahead and lay it down so your family can at least afford the insurance in the future.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by RedFred

What has? Republicans making it their main objective to kill Americans by ensuring they die without health care? I agree

Big bills from hospitals and skipping out on paying.

[VRPdommy]

For those that complain about the cost since the ACA, I can only say that it was going up anyway and submit it may have gone up even more without it.

It's going to go up yet some more, and I would think you would be use to it by now. So how long before they price you out of the market is the question ?
It is inevitable, the only question is when and what then ?
Everyone will have a different breaking point.

Personally, I don't care who came up with the idea, it did prolong the worse case that was about to happen anyway and I don't really care who comes up with a better solution but I don't see one even being offered in all this fuss.

The only folks happy about all of this are the folks raiding that till that you have paid little attention to while arguing against each other.

But it sure seems funny we can talk about inhabiting the moon and putting men on mars while 10's of thousands will probably die from the lack of health care and others may starve. Can some of you really justify your political positions ?

The longer this goes on the only thing I have seen is more folks inserting themselves as a player to get a piece of that pie while others merge and aquire to keep some out.