Trump threatens to close entire border if Democrats don't fund border wall

[RedFred]

What's next? Is he going to threaten a nuclear war if Mueller doesnt stop his investigation?

"We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with," the president tweeted. "Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!"


President Trump threatens to 'close Southern Border entirely' if Democrats don't fund border wall

[Busty2]

“The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'”

For Wolf substitute man child

[Matt 26z]

This is what a real president sounds like.

Get over it and grab yourself by the bussy, fake nic bladewire redfred.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

This is what a real president sounds like.

Get over it and grab yourself by the bussy, fake nic bladewire redfred.

Isnt it odd you were not posting for the last 2 days nor were all the other alt right nicks.. now suddenly you are all back at once..

Things that make you go hummmm.

[2MuchMark]

What? The deal maker can't make a deal? Poor guy.

[MaDalton]

sounds like a reasonable solution to the problem...

[Paul Markham]

It was an election promise. So what's wrong with that?

Changing your immigration laws would be a good thing as well.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It was an election promise. So what's wrong with that?

Changing your immigration laws would be a good thing as well.

His election promise was that Mexico would pay for it. And how is closing border crossings going to solve people coming in illegally when they are not using border crossings to begin with?

That's whats wrong with that. Him and his cult members (you) have issues with common sense.

[Busty2]

Chump and government are so far removed from the real world, they have no clue how these guys come to the USA illegally.

They drive through San Ysidro with fake papers
They overstay there temporary visas via flights into the USA
They come in from Canada ( Route 1 )
They hike in from Acadia National Park on the Canadian borders ( there is no wall here, i know I've hiked it a few times )

And i'm sure there are many other ways besides climbing over some wall ?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It was an election promise. So what's wrong with that?

Changing your immigration laws would be a good thing as well.

He also said I will close the government and I will be proud to say I did it. Now he is blaming the Dems and the GOP his own party which had both houses and wouldn't touch it, ran away for the rest of year like the cowards they are.

This was the way he gins up the base who haven't cracked open a newspaper in years. Illegal immigration has been dropping in this country for years.

Remember the hordes that were coming before the election and he used the military for a political stunt. Nothing happened except kids are dying.

its not about safety it's he wants his name on a wall.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It was an election promise. So what's wrong with that?

Changing your immigration laws would be a good thing as well.

Promise was that Mexico was to pay for it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It was an election promise. So what's wrong with that?

You really have no idea what you are talking about...

He is not talking about "locking down" the border or putting up a wall; He is talking about physically closing the border... Meaning NO ONE gets through. Meaning NOTHING gets through. Meaning products made in Mexico can no longer come across the border. Meaning Americans on vacation in Mexico cannot come home. Meaning Mexicans who cross the border every day legally to buy American goods cannot come over.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Changing your immigration laws would be a good thing as well.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration laws. We have a path for people to come here legally. Just like any other country.

Paul, you really have no idea what is happening here.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It was an election promise. So what's wrong with that?

Changing your immigration laws would be a good thing as well.

Do you think a giant wall is a reasonable solution to prevent illegal immigration?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You really have no idea what you are talking about...

He is not talking about "locking down" the border or putting up a wall; He is talking about physically closing the border... Meaning NO ONE gets through. Meaning NOTHING gets through. Meaning products made in Mexico can no longer come across the border. Meaning Americans on vacation in Mexico cannot come home. Meaning Mexicans who cross the border every day legally to buy American goods cannot come over.

So the Democrats had best give in.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration laws. We have a path for people to come here legally. Just like any other country.

There are laws against murder, but that doesn't stop people. If the border was effective, why do I see these on American roads in the South?

Rochard, you really have no idea what is happening in your own country.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It was an election promise. So what's wrong with that?

Why are you lying Paul?

Trump never said he would shut down the American government until American citizens pay for more border wall.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Do you think a giant wall is a reasonable solution to prevent illegal immigration?

Paul knows we already have 700 miles of border wall. He's just trolling.

[beerptrol]

Spoiled elitist man child who is worshipped by the alt right cultist
His campaign promise was that Mexico was going to pay for it. Funny how you cultist ignore that part of the promise

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So the Democrats had best give in.

You are so ignorant to how our country works.

It's almost funny how stuoid you are to our balance of power government structure in America.

The sad part about you is you're getting joy out of being an asshole rooting for the losing team.

Our Republican & Democrat congress in our legislative branch will pass a funding bill again, Trump in the executive branch will veto it, then congress will override his veto with 2/3 votes. Also, the judicial branch won't let Trump close the border to fund a wall, they've stopped a lot of his stupid tyrant moves.

It's sad you're so ignorant about

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You really have no idea what you are talking about...

He is not talking about "locking down" the border or putting up a wall; He is talking about physically closing the border... Meaning NO ONE gets through. Meaning NOTHING gets through. Meaning products made in Mexico can no longer come across the border. Meaning Americans on vacation in Mexico cannot come home. Meaning Mexicans who cross the border every day legally to buy American goods cannot come over.



There is nothing wrong with our immigration laws. We have a path for people to come here legally. Just like any other country.

Paul, you really have no idea what is happening here.

There are problems. Those who wish to not follow the legal path and instead go around the line.. In addition, those who wish to take 2 separate issues, 1 being illegals and 2 those who come legally and making those 1 issue.

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ Alt-right hate Russian pretending to be American

Fake nic reply in 3.. 2.. 1...

He has no impulse control as part of his mental defect

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by RedFred

His election promise was that Mexico would pay for it. And how is closing border crossings going to solve people coming in illegally when they are not using border crossings to begin with?

So you're in favor of rampant illegal immigration, crime, drug cartels, and human smuggling. Sounds like we need a wall / fence, which all the Democrats voted for in the past.

Originally Posted by beerptrol

Spoiled elitist man child who is worshipped by the alt right cultist
His campaign promise was that Mexico was going to pay for it. Funny how you cultist ignore that part of the promise

Funny how you ignore what's actually happening.

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ I was right again!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So the Democrats had best give in.

No, not at all. Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government and he did. There was an offer on the table - which passed the senate - that offered up over a billion dollars for border protection. Trump refused it. This is a Trump shutdown. Trump is proud of this.

If Trump wants to shut down the border... Great. American products ship billions of dollars to Mexico too. Let's just hurt American companies more.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If the border was effective, why do I see these on American roads in the South?

LOL. This just validates the entire point of not having a need for a wall. What these signs say is ports of entry are restricted, and people might try to flee through the port of entry. There is already walls around the ports of entry.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Funny how you ignore what's actually happening.

Your gullible dumbass also believes the military got a 10% raise.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

So you're in favor of rampant illegal immigration, crime, drug cartels, and human smuggling. Sounds like we need a wall / fence, which all the Democrats voted for in the past.




Funny how you ignore what's actually happening.

There is a real easy way to do this. When the Dems take the House over next week they pass a bill that gives Trump direct access to the extra money that will now be coming in from Mexico and he can use that to pay for his wall. This way his wall gets built, Mexico actually pays for it, and everyone is happy. If they do this and Trump refuses to sign the bill, then we know just how much he really believes in this new deal.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑↑↑ I'm being hysterical again!

^^ Fixed it for you

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by kane

There is a real easy way to do this. When the Dems take the House over next week they pass a bill that gives Trump direct access to the extra money that will now be coming in from Mexico and he can use that to pay for his wall. This way his wall gets built, Mexico actually pays for it, and everyone is happy. If they do this and Trump refuses to sign the bill, then we know just how much he really believes in this new deal.

They won't. But he's already doing it anyway..

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

I am in the Oval Office & just gave out a 115 mile long contract for another large section of the Wall in Texas. We are already building and renovating many miles of Wall, some complete. Democrats must end Shutdown and finish funding. Billions of Dollars, & lives, will be saved!

3:24 PM - 24 Dec 2018

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

They won't. But he's already doing it anyway..

Donald J. Trump
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Verified account

@realDonaldTrump

I am in the Oval Office & just gave out a 115 mile long contract for another large section of the Wall in Texas. We are already building and renovating many miles of Wall, some complete. Democrats must end Shutdown and finish funding. Billions of Dollars, & lives, will be saved!

3:24 PM - 24 Dec 2018

Another Trump lie. You cultists are amazing on the bullshit you'll believe.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Your gullible dumbass also believes the military got a 10% raise.

I don't know about military pay rates, but I do know they got 700 billion in funding. The Army Corp of Engineers builds things. They have the funds and will build the wall. You alt-left dupes don't seem to realize that the shutdown over border security is just theater. The wall is funded, he just wants to expose the Democrats as being against border security and being in favor of rampant crime (to get new voters)

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I don't know about military pay rates, but I do know they got 700 billion in funding. The Army Corp of Engineers builds things. They have the funds and will build the wall. You alt-left dupes don't seem to realize that the shutdown over border security is just theater. The wall is funded, he just wants to expose the Democrats as being against border security and being in favor of rampant crime (to get new voters)

Okay, for the 47th time.....TRUMP CANNOT SPEND MILITARY MONEY WITHOUT CONGRESS

[kane]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I don't know about military pay rates, but I do know they got 700 billion in funding. The Army Corp of Engineers builds things. They have the funds and will build the wall. You alt-left dupes don't seem to realize that the shutdown over border security is just theater. The wall is funded, he just wants to expose the Democrats as being against border security and being in favor of rampant crime (to get new voters)

He likely doesn't have the legal authority to reallocate that money and even if he does, where are they going to cut to give it to him? He just made a big deal about giving more money to rebuild the "greatly depleted' military left to him by Obama and now he wants to take it back.

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

They won't. But he's already doing it anyway..

Donald J. Trump
‏
Verified account

@realDonaldTrump

I am in the Oval Office & just gave out a 115 mile long contract for another large section of the Wall in Texas. We are already building and renovating many miles of Wall, some complete. Democrats must end Shutdown and finish funding. Billions of Dollars, & lives, will be saved!

3:24 PM - 24 Dec 2018

This is either a straight up lie or he is referring to things that happened back in March when Congress approved funds for about 80 miles of wall in a few locations. Of course, this was months before Trump even signed the new NAFTA replacement deal so there is no way this money is coming from Mexico. Not to mention this deal of his doesn't go into effect until it actually passes through Congress which has not happened.

I know facts aren't your thing, but here is something from the AP.

TRUMP, speaking Tuesday: "We gave out 115 yesterday, and we gave it out at a great price."

THE FACTS: It's unclear where the figure of 115 miles is coming from.

According to DHS , the March funding from Congress will pay for 84 miles (135 kilometers) along the southern border, including the 33 miles (53 kilometers) for Texas. And if the Trump administration gets the $5 billion it's requested, DHS says it would build 215 miles (346 kilometers) that it considers the "highest priority," include 159 miles (256 kilometers) in Texas.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by kane

This is either a straight up lie or he is referring to things that happened back in March when Congress approved funds for about 80 miles of wall in a few locations. Of course, this was months before Trump even signed the new NAFTA replacement deal so there is no way this money is coming from Mexico.

I know facts aren't your thing, but here is something from the AP.

TRUMP, speaking Tuesday: "We gave out 115 yesterday, and we gave it out at a great price."

THE FACTS: It's unclear where the figure of 115 miles is coming from.

According to DHS , the March funding from Congress will pay for 84 miles (135 kilometers) along the southern border, including the 33 miles (53 kilometers) for Texas. And if the Trump administration gets the $5 billion it's requested, DHS says it would build 215 miles (346 kilometers) that it considers the "highest priority," include 159 miles (256 kilometers) in Texas.

These people just cannot get it through their heads that Trump constantly lies. It's funnier than shit every time they post one of his tweets as proof of something.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

This is what a real president sounds like.

Get over it and grab yourself by the bussy, fake nic bladewire redfred.

he sounds like a baby in a push chair not getting his toys...


honestly, you´re mental if you can´t see what 80% of the world can!


We´re laughing at Trump and the 50% US trump loving idiots!

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

We´re laughing at Trump and the 50% US trump loving idiots!

Only 19% of Americans (63 million) voted for Trump. Our population is 325,700,000

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

This is what a real president sounds like.

Get over it and grab yourself by the bussy, fake nic bladewire redfred.

Yes, he is a real man's man. You know, the kind of man that gets a doctor's note to avoid the draft.

It's bad enough Mr. trump is "proud" to shut down the government, adding holiday stress to a million government employees... But now he wants to shut down the borders costing American businesses hundreds of billions of dollars? Shutting down the border means shutting down nearly all trade with Mexico. How much money do you think Mexicans spend in the United States each day when they legally cross the border? How many tens of millions of dollars do you think the United States sends to Mexico every day?

You Trumpers are freaking insane. You have a million people who aren't going to be able to pay their mortgage and Christmas bills, yet you want to do MORE damage the Americans?

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Okay, for the 47th time.....TRUMP CANNOT SPEND MILITARY MONEY WITHOUT CONGRESS

Originally Posted by kane

He likely doesn't have the legal authority to reallocate that money and even if he does, where are they going to cut to give it to him? He just made a big deal about giving more money to rebuild the "greatly depleted' military left to him by Obama and now he wants to take it back.

Normally that would be true. However, the President has declared a Human Rights Emergency AND has notified Congress that he's invoking the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985. By making these two declarations President Trump has communicated that he has the authority to NOT spend any funds he doesn't deem necessary and will return them to the US Treasury.

If he determines that building a Wall on the Southern Border is a defense against Human Trafficking, he can move funds from anywhere else in the Defense Dept Allocation & simply build the Wall. Congress is powerless to stop cash reallocations on an omnibus bill AND cannot stop the DOD from taking measures under a declared Emergency. Despite their language in the Omnibus Bill about the Border Wall, it is trumped by the State of Emergency that Trump declared.

This article is from March, 2018:

President Trump hints he may use Defense budget to build the border wall now

[kane]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Normally that would be true. However, the President has declared a Human Rights Emergency AND has notified Congress that he's invoking the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985. By making these two declarations President Trump has communicated that he has the authority to NOT spend any funds he doesn't deem necessary and will return them to the US Treasury.

If he determines that building a Wall on the Southern Border is a defense against Human Trafficking, he can move funds from anywhere else in the Defense Dept Allocation & simply build the Wall. Congress is powerless to stop cash reallocations on an omnibus bill AND cannot stop the DOD from taking measures under a declared Emergency. Despite their language in the Omnibus Bill about the Border Wall, it is trumped by the State of Emergency that Trump declared.

This article is from March, 2018:

President Trump hints he may use Defense budget to build the border wall now

This isn't a clusterfuck at all.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Normally that would be true. However, the President has declared a Human Rights Emergency AND has notified Congress that he's invoking the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985. By making these two declarations President Trump has communicated that he has the authority to NOT spend any funds he doesn't deem necessary and will return them to the US Treasury.

If he determines that building a Wall on the Southern Border is a defense against Human Trafficking, he can move funds from anywhere else in the Defense Dept Allocation & simply build the Wall. Congress is powerless to stop cash reallocations on an omnibus bill AND cannot stop the DOD from taking measures under a declared Emergency. Despite their language in the Omnibus Bill about the Border Wall, it is trumped by the State of Emergency that Trump declared.

This article is from March, 2018:

President Trump hints he may use Defense budget to build the border wall now

Sure buddy, that's why he shut the govt down, because he doesn't need the $5 billion.

[crockett]

I'll take "Things a wannabe dictator would say" for $500, Bob..

[TheSquealer]

[TheSquealer]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Why are you lying Paul?

Trump never said he would shut down the American government until American citizens pay for more border wall.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

He did say the Wall would get built so it would be more effective.

According to the latest statistics from US Customs and Border Protection (CBP), 396,579 undocumented people were apprehended after entering the country illegally in 2018.

That's the number who were caught. All of them in some way sucking off Americans.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are so ignorant to how our country works.

It's almost funny how stuoid you are to our balance of power government structure in America.

The sad part about you is you're getting joy out of being an asshole rooting for the losing team.

Our Republican & Democrat congress in our legislative branch will pass a funding bill again, Trump in the executive branch will veto it, then congress will override his veto with 2/3 votes. Also, the judicial branch won't let Trump close the border to fund a wall, they've stopped a lot of his stupid tyrant moves.

It's sad you're so ignorant about

So if the Republicans block a Democrat President keeping an election promise, that how America works. Do you see how it works both ways?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No, not at all. Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government and he did. There was an offer on the table - which passed the senate - that offered up over a billion dollars for border protection. Trump refused it. This is a Trump shutdown. Trump is proud of this.

If Trump wants to shut down the border... Great. American products ship billions of dollars to Mexico too. Let's just hurt American companies more.

Then the Democrats had best give in. Or you validate either side stopping Presidents carrying out election pledges.

LOL. This just validates the entire point of not having a need for a wall. What these signs say is ports of entry are restricted, and people might try to flee through the port of entry. There is already walls around the ports of entry.

The signs mean the border isn't working well enough. Illegals don't use legal ports of entry.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I don't know about military pay rates, but I do know they got 700 billion in funding. The Army Corp of Engineers builds things. They have the funds and will build the wall. You alt-left dupes don't seem to realize that the shutdown over border security is just theater. The wall is funded, he just wants to expose the Democrats as being against border security and being in favor of rampant crime (to get new voters)

if you would finally realize that your country have now over 22 TRILLION of debts and rising you should know that there is not even money for a hot dog.

what about trump´s promise to bring the debts down?

actually he is the president that is creating the most new debts in US history.
where is the economic boom when all money in this bubble is just lend?

even you should be not too dumb to understand this simple maths, do you ?

[NaughtyRob]

And if he closes the border our economy will lose at LEAST 1Billion per day.

[AdultKing]

I'm not sure the USA will ever recover from Trump.

Only another election will demonstrate how many people actually really still support this insane, narcissistic, lying, criminal nutcase who currently occupies the WH. If it's any more than 20 million then the USA has bigger problems than Trump as president.

Trump didn't sign a contract for 115 miles of wall, he lies - all the time.

Trump's outburst threatening to close the border is the stuff of lunatic politics.

There are people right now who dead set believe that Trump and Mueller are working together to bring down the deep state and that a whole heap of celebrities, Obama, Clintons etc are all at Guantanamo Bay in prison and that public appearances of these people have been made by body doubles.

https://twitter.com/NinaQ413/status/1078318387938426880

Trump supporters and Qanon crazies are not normal people, they do not think critically, they are all so stupid it's difficult to put that stupidity into words.

The rest of the sane western world is looking on at America's experiment with Trump in shock and disbelief, it's crazy enough to be the stuff of a dystopia only dreamt up in fiction.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Paul knows we already have 700 miles of border wall. He's just trolling.

Which obviously isn't working well enough.

The UK has a problem with illegal migrants crossing a 22+ mile stretch of sea. This is after they have walked across Europe. The EU has a problem with illegals crossing the Mediterranean which is 100s of miles wide. So no Wall is going to be 100% proof. But unless the West is prepared to take a massive continual rise in illegal migrants we have to be prepared to use all measures possible to slow down the flow.

Don't expect politicians to care. They are feeding off the tit of big business and donors who want more cheap labour. They have already crippled our manufacturing industries by sending as much as possible to the Third World. They are promoting another tool to make jobs harder to come by. Automation is already stealing jobs, expect it to steal a lot more and along with it the stagnation or decline in wages.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

if you would finally realize that your country have now over 22 TRILLION of debts and rising you should know that there is not even money for a hot dog.

what about trump´s promise to bring the debts down?

actually he is the president that is creating the most new debts in US history.
where is the economic boom when all money in this bubble is just lend?

even you should be not too dumb to understand this simple maths, do you ?

One of the main reason for the debt is the size of the social warfare budgets, read more here. This is people needing government help to exist. Because the wage packet is no longer there or not enough to support themselves. Read more here.

Contributing to this situation are the 10 million illegal migrants in the US. Plus their children born in the US.

On average, it costs $10,615 to send a kid to public school for a year. (That's federal, state and local government spending combined.) As the map above shows, that one number masks a huge variation. Utah spends just over $6,000 per student; New York and the District of Columbia over $18,000.

Then there are added costs. Prisons cost money.

According to the Vera Institute of Justice, incarceration costs an average of more than $31,000 per inmate, per year, nationwide. In some states, it's as much as $60,000. Taxpayers foot the bill for feeding, housing and securing people in state and federal penitentiaries.

Not only the very high percentage of illegal immigrants in American prisons.

Add the people who have no job and turn to crime to make ends meet.

The job of any President or Prime Minister is to protect the citizens of their own country. When successive leaders betray that promise they are not fit for office. But when one man stands up and promises his people to do more to protect them he's ridiculed.

Maybe a better approach would be one that Australia has taken.