Mexico will pay for the wall...

[crockett]

That's what he said, over and over and over.. it appears Trump thinks Americans are Mexicans now...

A added side effect of the shutdown is Everify a system set in place to allow employers to check the legal status of a new hire is closed down..

In states like Arizona its required by state law to use everify and now its shut down so employers cant hire anyone with out breaking the law...

LoL stupid Chump...

[pimpmaster9000]

Trump and his gangster talk...

[RedFred]

Trump doesnt actually give a shit about a wall, he had 2 years of complete govt control and barely mentioned it. But now that dems have the house he thinks he can stir up his base and take the media attention away from his crimes by shutting down the govt. That's all this is, a diversion.





And gullible dumbnuts like this salivate like a dog staring at a milk bone

[Acepimp]

It will also pay for itself by reducing spending on illegals

Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.

The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

So it would save us money long-term. Not sure why anyone would be in favor of letting violent drug gangs and human traffickers do what they do. It's very strange

[CaptainHowdy]

Have a good weekend y'all . . .

[Bladewire]

He thinks the majority of government workers are liberal Democrats , like the 42,000 coast guard families and 58,000 TSA families and the 15,000 air traffic controllers impacted by the shutdown getting no pay

Trump wants to break a shutdown record so he'll let It go for 22 days at least.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

He thinks the majority of government workers are liberal Democrats

Trump wants to break a shutdown record so he'll let It go for 22 days at least.

I think he's content with letting it go on for a long time. Doesn't affect him so he doesn't give a fuck. He gets pleasure when others suffer especially when he's the cause.

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

So it would save us money long-term. Not sure why anyone would be in favor of letting violent drug gangs and human traffickers do what they do. It's very strange

(CIS), the “think tank” arm of the anti-immigrant movement that puts out misleading research and provides credibility for those wanting to make outrageous claims against immigrants.

Now classed as a "Hate Group"
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...-and-extremism

.. you've been clucked again hunny.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by crockett

it appears Trump thinks Americans are Mexicans now...

Well... You see, before the Mayflower and all that... There were.... NVM.

[Bladewire]

[Bladewire]

All Trump had to do when he took office was implement a "wall fee" on all electronic remittance to Mexico. He would have had all the money he wanted by now.

But no. Trump is an idiot.

[Bladewire]

All 10,000 FEMA employees are work furloughed during the shutdown.

All 10,000 FEMA eployees have no income, and will receive no income, for the last 14 days.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

All Trump had to do when he took office was implement a "wall fee" on all electronic remittance to Mexico. He would have had all the money he wanted by now.

But no. Trump is an idiot.

Such silly sanctions/tariffs only reward underground money services and will punish the huge bulk of legal mexicans sending money to their families...

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Such silly sanctions/tariffs only reward underground money services and will punish the huge bulk of legal mexicans sending money to their families...

Says the guy from the nation that tried to murder all Albanian males from 15-60 years old for similar reasons.

Imagine if people flooded into Serbia to work and then send what they earned back out, back to their home countries. Your National Treasury of 81 cows, 351 chickens and 3 goats would be depleted in minutes.

[TheSquealer]

I guess we all missed the part where Trump explicitly said how and when Mexico would pay for the wall. I remember him laying out numerous possibilities. I don't remember him saying they were going to advance the cash.

But hey, we get it. Orange Man Bad! Therefore facts (and reality itself) are irrelevant.

[Bladewire]

Mexico hasn't paid for Trump's vanity wall.

So Trump shuts down the American government.

To force Americans to pay for his vanity wall.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

He thinks the majority of government workers are liberal Democrats , like the 42,000 coast guard families and 58,000 TSA families and the 15,000 air traffic controllers impacted by the shutdown getting no pay

Trump wants to break a shutdown record so he'll let It go for 22 days at least.

Let him continue to blow off the out of work employees as "Democrats." Those are all just people who will not vote for him. Also, whatever happened to being President of all Americans? It's okay if Democrats are out of work now?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by kane

Let him continue to blow off the out of work employees as "Democrats." Those are all just people who will not vote for him. Also, whatever happened to being President of all Americans? It's okay if Democrats are out of work now?

He's not a cognitive thinker.

He's very short sited.

He's saying border patrol & ICE (federal employees) are Democrats You know that's pissing them off in addition to not being paid and their payraise for 2019 being frozen by Trump while Trump & his cabinet all get payraises.

Trump issues executive order freezing federal workers' pay in 2019

[kane]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

He's not a cognitive thinker.

He's very short sited.

He's saying border patrol & ICE (federal employees) are Democrats You know that's pissing them off in addition to not being paid and their payraise for 2019 being frozen by Trump while Trump & his cabinet all get payraises.

Trump issues executive order freezing federal workers' pay in 2019

It looks bad when you tell people, "We have enough money to give a trillion dollar tax cut to the rich, but not enough for you to get a cost of living raise."

[Bladewire]

Holy shit! The comments section for this story on Foxnews about the government shutdown is filled with Russian trolls talking about Hillary Clinton & Obama!

Deflect & distract won't work with the government shutdown

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Says the guy from the nation that tried to murder all Albanian males from 15-60 years old for similar reasons.

Imagine if people flooded into Serbia to work and then send what they earned back out, back to their home countries. Your National Treasury of 81 cows, 351 chickens and 3 goats would be depleted in minutes.

Invader, your invader version of events is most amusing...it does not change the fact that if you put tarifs on remittance you will just reward underground chanels with a new lucrative business...I know this because you gangsters did it to me and I had to use underground chanels...

Also, you gangster, it is you gang8sters who dump your inflation on the world with your war dollars and you get real goods and services in return for thin air money...your "national treasury" is a scam...it is you who are robbing others not the other way around...

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

It will also pay for itself by reducing spending on illegals

Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.

The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

So it would save us money long-term. Not sure why anyone would be in favor of letting violent drug gangs and human traffickers do what they do. It's very strange

No, Mexico isn't paying for the border wall through USMCA

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Holy shit! The comments section for this story on Foxnews about the government shutdown is filled with Russian trolls talking about Hillary Clinton & Obama!

Deflect & distract won't work with the government shutdown

Problem is they're most likely not Russian trolls but paid News Corporation staff via subsidiary company 123 that contracts company 456 to engage company 789 that just happens to be located in Russia.

[Busty2]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

No, Mexico isn't paying for the border wall through USMCA

Interesting read, goes to show what a lying fuck CHUMP is yet again! I have more respect for a turd that that twat!

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

It will also pay for itself by reducing spending on illegals

Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.

The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

So it would save us money long-term. Not sure why anyone would be in favor of letting violent drug gangs and human traffickers do what they do. It's very strange

good so why you need a shutdown and a donation site ?

and does the benefit from this "great deal" not come when the wall is not build?

i really don´t understand where you guys got your logic from ..... loooool

[Bladewire]

Airline pilots from all of the airlines in America have signed a letter to Trump about how this shutdown is making America less safe.


President Donald J. Trump
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear President Trump:

On behalf of the 61,000 pilots of the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), I
am writing to urge you to take the necessary steps to immediately end the shutdown of
government agencies that is adversely affecting the safety, security and efficiency of our national airspace system.

The nation’s airspace system is a complex transportation network that involves
government and industry partnerships to function properly, and the disruptions being
caused by the shutdown are threatening the safe operations of this network.

The government agency partners in the Department of Transportation (DOT) and
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have dual roles. They are both regulators and
service providers. When any of their responsibilities are placed on pause due to a
shutdown there are safety, security and efficiency gaps that immediately emerge.
For example, at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) there are fewer safety
inspectors than are needed in order to ensure the air traffic control infrastructure is
performing at its peak levels of performance. There are also airline and aircraft
manufacturing oversight activities that either stop or are significantly reduced.

These safety and oversight inspections will potentially allow for the introduction of safety issues that put passengers and airline crews at risk. Although the 2018 holiday season is now behind us, the number of recreational drones, or unmanned aircraft systems (UAS), has likely grown significantly in the past several weeks. The shutdown is a significant stumbling block in the FAA’s efforts to ensure the safety of the airspace from those drone operators who may be operating in an unsafe manner.

In addition to the safety oversight role, the FAA air traffic control organization is in the
midst of implementing a new communications capability, called Data Communications
(Data Comm). The Data Comm program has not yet reached its full implementation
capability, and due to the shutdown there will be significant delays to the program. If the shutdown continues, air traffic controllers and pilots previously trained on the system will lose their proficiency due to a lack of use, and re-training will likely be required. The need to re-train will add costs and will no doubt delay the progress of
this important airspace system upgrade.

Finally, at both the FAA and at the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the air traffic controllers, airspace system maintenance personnel, and the airline passenger security workforce are being asked to work unpaid. They are dutifully providing safety of life services while facing increasingly difficult financial pressures to provide for those dependent on their paycheck. The pressure these civil servants are facing at home should not be ignored. At some point, these dedicated federal employees will
encounter personal financial damages that will take a long time from which to recover,
if at all.

Based on the impacts to the aviation industry including the ALPA membership, we
urge you to take the necessary steps to immediately end the shutdown of government
agencies that is affecting the safety, security and efficiency of our national airspace
system.
Sincerely,
Captain Joe DePete
President
Air Line Pilots Association, International
cc: The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
The Honorable Mitch McConnell
The Honorable Charles E. Schumer
The Honorable Kevin McCarthy

[Bladewire]

39,000 federal prison guards have not been paid for 2 weeks.

Trump thinks federal prison guards are "Democrats"

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Airline pilots from all of the airlines in America have signed a letter to Trump about how this shutdown is making America less safe.


President Donald J. Trump
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear President Trump:

On behalf of the 61,000 pilots of the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), I
am writing to urge you to take the necessary steps to immediately end the shutdown of
government agencies that is adversely affecting the safety, security and efficiency of our national airspace system.

The nation’s airspace system is a complex transportation network that involves
government and industry partnerships to function properly, and the disruptions being
caused by the shutdown are threatening the safe operations of this network.

The government agency partners in the Department of Transportation (DOT) and
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have dual roles. They are both regulators and
service providers. When any of their responsibilities are placed on pause due to a
shutdown there are safety, security and efficiency gaps that immediately emerge.
For example, at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) there are fewer safety
inspectors than are needed in order to ensure the air traffic control infrastructure is
performing at its peak levels of performance. There are also airline and aircraft
manufacturing oversight activities that either stop or are significantly reduced.

These safety and oversight inspections will potentially allow for the introduction of safety issues that put passengers and airline crews at risk. Although the 2018 holiday season is now behind us, the number of recreational drones, or unmanned aircraft systems (UAS), has likely grown significantly in the past several weeks. The shutdown is a significant stumbling block in the FAA’s efforts to ensure the safety of the airspace from those drone operators who may be operating in an unsafe manner.

In addition to the safety oversight role, the FAA air traffic control organization is in the
midst of implementing a new communications capability, called Data Communications
(Data Comm). The Data Comm program has not yet reached its full implementation
capability, and due to the shutdown there will be significant delays to the program. If the shutdown continues, air traffic controllers and pilots previously trained on the system will lose their proficiency due to a lack of use, and re-training will likely be required. The need to re-train will add costs and will no doubt delay the progress of
this important airspace system upgrade.

Finally, at both the FAA and at the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the air traffic controllers, airspace system maintenance personnel, and the airline passenger security workforce are being asked to work unpaid. They are dutifully providing safety of life services while facing increasingly difficult financial pressures to provide for those dependent on their paycheck. The pressure these civil servants are facing at home should not be ignored. At some point, these dedicated federal employees will
encounter personal financial damages that will take a long time from which to recover,
if at all.

Based on the impacts to the aviation industry including the ALPA membership, we
urge you to take the necessary steps to immediately end the shutdown of government
agencies that is affecting the safety, security and efficiency of our national airspace
system.
Sincerely,
Captain Joe DePete
President
Air Line Pilots Association, International
cc: The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
The Honorable Mitch McConnell
The Honorable Charles E. Schumer
The Honorable Kevin McCarthy

He will never read that.. it's too long.. Trump cant read more than 280 characters.

[Bladewire]

[Rochard]

I fail to understand why anyone supports this man.

[P_RABID]

Originally Posted by crockett

That's what he said, over and over and over.. it appears Trump thinks Americans are Mexicans now...

A added side effect of the shutdown is Everify a system set in place to allow employers to check the legal status of a new hire is closed down..

In states like Arizona its required by state law to use everify and now its shut down so employers cant hire anyone with out breaking the law...

LoL stupid Chump...

I think what Trump is insinuating is that Mexico will pay for the wall by new trade deals or some shit. The money he’s apparently is saving with his killer deals is the money that will pay for the wall. So indirectly Mexico is paying for the wall. Or some shit like that,

p.s I just thought about it l, is Trump considered to be a Ranga ??

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

I think what Trump is insinuating is that Mexico will pay for the wall by new trade deals or some shit.

No, that is not what he said. He said Mexico will pay for the wall.

If he meant "Mexico will be paying for the wall through some new trade deal" why is he asking for $5 billion.

This is bullshit, and it's gotten old. We don't need a fucking wall. Illegal immigration is down, and most illegal immigrants come through proper ports of entry and never return home. The same with drugs. At the same time, they are already tunneling under what little walls we have and also fences. Building a expensive wall that doesn't work that is trying to solve a problem that is less of a problem every month is exactly why two thirds of Americans are against it.

Now the problem is Trump wants Democrats to help him keep his campaign promise. That's not going to happen. This is the Trump Shutdown. Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government. So be it. We can limp along another few weeks until TSA agents throw in the towel and go out and get jobs that pay them. Same thing with the Coast Guard.

Some one from my home town on Facebook changed her profile photo to "Trump is Winning". Winning at what? He is by far the most unpopular president ever. He hasn't fixed the Middle East (the other side won't even talk to us), hasn't fixed the opioid crisis, hasn't built a wall, hasn't improved relations with Russia.... Oh - North Korea. Hasn't fixed that either. Other than a tax cut for the rich that did nothing for the average American and NAFTA 2.0 (which seems to be more or less the same exact agreement we had before with only a handful of minor changes).... What the fuck?

Robbie came to GFY earlier today and told he wants to have Obama investigated. How can Obama afford houses in Chicago, Washington DC, and Hawaii if he as only worked for the US government his entire life. Setting aside the fact he worked for a law firm as an attorney, and his wife made hundreds of thousand of dollars a year as an attorney, and setting aside the fact that they have made millions on book deals.... And setting aside the fact that the Obama have released their tax forms for the past decade.... Are you fucking kidding me? We know where every dime Obama ever made came from. But yet somehow the Mueller investigation is a witch hunt?

This is bat shit crazy.

[King Mark]

Word....

[P_RABID]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No, that is not what he said. He said Mexico will pay for the wall.

If he meant "Mexico will be paying for the wall through some new trade deal" why is he asking for $5 billion.

This is bullshit, and it's gotten old. We don't need a fucking wall. Illegal immigration is down, and most illegal immigrants come through proper ports of entry and never return home. The same with drugs. At the same time, they are already tunneling under what little walls we have and also fences. Building a expensive wall that doesn't work that is trying to solve a problem that is less of a problem every month is exactly why two thirds of Americans are against it.

Now the problem is Trump wants Democrats to help him keep his campaign promise. That's not going to happen. This is the Trump Shutdown. Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government. So be it. We can limp along another few weeks until TSA agents throw in the towel and go out and get jobs that pay them. Same thing with the Coast Guard.

Some one from my home town on Facebook changed her profile photo to "Trump is Winning". Winning at what? He is by far the most unpopular president ever. He hasn't fixed the Middle East (the other side won't even talk to us), hasn't fixed the opioid crisis, hasn't built a wall, hasn't improved relations with Russia.... Oh - North Korea. Hasn't fixed that either. Other than a tax cut for the rich that did nothing for the average American and NAFTA 2.0 (which seems to be more or less the same exact agreement we had before with only a handful of minor changes).... What the fuck?

Robbie came to GFY earlier today and told he wants to have Obama investigated. How can Obama afford houses in Chicago, Washington DC, and Hawaii if he as only worked for the US government his entire life. Setting aside the fact he worked for a law firm as an attorney, and his wife made hundreds of thousand of dollars a year as an attorney, and setting aside the fact that they have made millions on book deals.... And setting aside the fact that the Obama have released their tax forms for the past decade.... Are you fucking kidding me? We know where every dime Obama ever made came from. But yet somehow the Mueller investigation is a witch hunt?

This is bat shit crazy.

Very well said, Trump made a promise , he’s trying to show his followers that he will follow through with his promise. The wall will be built regardless of what deal the dems make. Trump will probably use his preseidential powers to make the wall in the end. A wall will be built, Trump will sacrifice all just to get re elected if he has to.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

Very well said, Trump made a promise , he’s trying to show his followers that he will follow through with his promise. The wall will be built regardless of what deal the dems make. Trump will probably use his preseidential powers to make the wall in the end. A wall will be built, Trump will sacrifice all just to get re elected if he has to.

but look HOW can a president even GIVE a promise ?

the US is still a democracy and not a dictatorship - house and senate have to agree and if they do not agree in one or more points he have to live with that because he decided to be the president of THIS system.

if a president has the power in his hands to blackmail house and senate to do something that is against their conviction, democracy is at its end

[Paul Markham]

Illegal immigrants are already costing the American taxpayer billions. Are you happy to pay even more?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Illegal immigrants are already costing the American taxpayer billions. Are you happy to pay even more?

paul imagine 10 billionairs alone on an island.

tell me how economy can work there.

these 10 would be the poorest people on the whole fucking planet.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Illegal immigrants are already costing the American taxpayer billions. Are you happy to pay even more?

You don't care about America or the U.K. you're an immigrant to Czechoslovakia.

You act like illegals do nothing once they get to America but drain the system.

You ate ignorant on this topic so stop trying to attempt to justify your racist bulshit.

Illegals buy cell phones

Illegals pay for cellphone service

Illegals buy gas

Illegals buy groceries

Illegals buy clothes

Illegals buy movie tickets

Illegals go to restaurants

Illegals buy cars

Illegals pay rent for housing

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Oh and illegals WORK you dumbass

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I guess we all missed the part where Trump explicitly said how and when Mexico would pay for the wall. I remember him laying out numerous possibilities. I don't remember him saying they were going to advance the cash.

But hey, we get it. Orange Man Bad! Therefore facts (and reality itself) are irrelevant.

Alzheimer is a sad state

[Bladewire]

[marlboroack]

Ok look. I'll build the fucking wall

[Bladewire]

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

It will also pay for itself by reducing spending on illegals

Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.

The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

So it would save us money long-term. Not sure why anyone would be in favor of letting violent drug gangs and human traffickers do what they do. It's very strange

Not true. This was circulated a couple weeks ago and has been proven to be false. FAKE NEWS.

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Illegal immigrants are already costing the American taxpayer billions. Are you happy to pay even more?

But nobody ever talks about the profits of corporations and businesses that are fucking the average American by hiring said illegals.

Then lets also consider the prices you (not you, because you don't fucking live here) pay for food at the grocery store that is much less because of the system of slavery that is in place.

You want to talk about that stuff as well?