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[Mediamix]

[Klen]

Plotwist: she works as cam girl :D

[King Mark]

Magic join links

[NoWhErE]

His reasoning is as follows: "People aren't buying my 1998 content anymore, so nobody else must be selling porn too. The industry is dead and nobody is buying porn.

I remember back in the days where I didn't even have to have basic HTML skills to make money from a paysite. Since then, things have evolved and I don't agree with them. So my final conclusion is the entire world is wrong and I'm right."

[alexistexasass]

Wow nice twit :D

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Plotwist: she works as cam girl :D

no, she´s a cam girl but also shoots porn for other companies and her own clips sites like me on onlyfans and manyvids...


I totally agree with her though...


we live a great life from porn. We live from both mine & Gary´s paysites, the clips profiles our dvd sales and some live cam...

no other income from other jobs

[Struggle4Bucks]

How is it disrespectfull to the pornindustry to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”??? Its disrespectfull at most to the people left that still pay for it.

In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it and also having zero intentions to ever pay for it.

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it

Hold on bro... Nah man. You not about to call me a rapist for rubbing one out on xvideos every once in a while.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Are you in Cali? 3 strokes uh i mean strikes and youre done you serial rapist

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

His reasoning is as follows: "People aren't buying my 1998 content anymore, so nobody else must be selling porn too. The industry is dead and nobody is buying porn.

I remember back in the days where I didn't even have to have basic HTML skills to make money from a paysite. Since then, things have evolved and I don't agree with them. So my final conclusion is the entire world is wrong and I'm right."

Even magic join links cant help him now

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Plotwist: she works as cam girl :D

Was just watching her on youtube talking about the whole Evil Angel BS and she sounded so fake the whole 30 mins

I respect a lot of women in porn but fuck this bitch!

[Sarn]

she "worker" in this industry working for wage, we talk about business with profit

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by Sarn

she "worker" in this industry working for wage, we talk about business with profit

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by SBJ

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[Paul Markham]

She is lying. I have never said porn doesn't sell. I say porn doesn't sell as well a sit used to because Tubes now get most of the traffic.

So tell her to Shut the Fuck up.

Or maybe you will argue with me here. https://gfy.com/22395804-post20.html

[AdultKing]

Does a cog know that it's just a part within a machine, or is the cog just happy being a cog?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Does a cog know that it's just a part within a machine, or is the cog just happy being a cog?

We are all cogs in a machine. The good thing for the porn industry is after jerking off for free millions are buying porn memberships. Even women, their numbers are through the roof.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We are all cogs in a machine. The good thing for the porn industry is after jerking off for free millions are buying porn memberships. Even women, their numbers are through the roof.

You're really bent out of shape aren't you

[CaptainHowdy]

I fapped to her once or twice if I'm not mistaken . . .

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

His reasoning is as follows: "People aren't buying my 1998 content anymore, so nobody else must be selling porn too. The industry is dead and nobody is buying porn.

I remember back in the days where I didn't even have to have basic HTML skills to make money from a paysite. Since then, things have evolved and I don't agree with them. So my final conclusion is the entire world is wrong and I'm right."

if i would not read the topic and would see your description even in a menu card of mc donalds i would know right away who you describe :-)

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

go on...where did the producer´s money come from ???
and where did the guy paying the producer get it from ?
why the producer give her money and waste time to produce something that nobody buys ?

think your thought til the end !!!

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by thommy

go on...where did the producer´s money come from ???
and where did the guy paying the producer get it from ?
why the producer give her money and waste time to produce something that nobody buys ?

think your thought til the end !!!

Thommy please... im disapointed... you of all people here. Before a business can make money it needs to spend money first. Absolutely no quarantee of making roi. You turn things around... in your world the market buys a product and then Some entrpeneur produces it... think again

[Busty2]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Thommy please... im disapointed... you of all people here. Before a business can make money it needs to spend money first. Absolutely no quarantee of making roi. You turn things around... in your world the market buys a product and then Some entrpeneur produces it... think again

Ever heard of Kickstarter ?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Thommy please... im disapointed... you of all people here. Before a business can make money it needs to spend money first. Absolutely no quarantee of making roi. You turn things around... in your world the market buys a product and then Some entrpeneur produces it... think again

if this producer is a professional one he have the money from someone, right?
and he reinvest it because he thinks he can sell it.
if this is not working he will do that how often ?

out of that the absolutely same happens to the model.
she spends her time, she comes to the job - so she have invested too.

the one that eventually buys it after will also pay it on risk because he haven´t sold it.

so how many times and how long could this work if there is no one that pays anyone.

so please think it to the end before you start to write it down.

this business is sick because of too many amateur entrepreneurs who think they have the skills to compete with professional business man.

it is very simple: if your business don´t feed you - let the ones do it who know how it works. and as long these people are existing it proves that there IS a way. you just don´t know it.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Busty2

Ever heard of Kickstarter ?

You mean that gimmick where broke hipsters can start their multinationals and where girls can buy the absolute latest fashion? (the absolute latest fashion because it's not even made yet)

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by thommy

if this producer is a professional one he have the money from someone, right?
and he reinvest it because he thinks he can sell it.

You have producers that are also the investors and sellers to end users...
and you have producers who work for a fee for some investor/business owner.

The word "thinking" is key. No one would invest if they didnt think they could sell it. Do they have quarantees? No. Thinking for some people is enough... They accept business risk and go broke or get rich. And all the others take a job.

Originally Posted by thommy

the one that eventually buys it after will also pay it on risk because he haven´t sold it.

Exactly... I knew you would understand me...

Originally Posted by thommy

so how many times and how long could this work if there is no one that pays anyone.

No no no no we agreed and now you're backing off... we are talking about principal rules here...

Originally Posted by thommy

so please think it to the end before you start to write it down.

I thought it to the end.... Im in a state of nihilism right now

Originally Posted by thommy

this business is sick because of too many amateur entrepreneurs who think they have the skills to compete with professional business man.

Don't worrie about it... the market will always fix that...

Originally Posted by thommy

it is very simple: if your business don´t feed you - let the ones do it who know how it works. and as long these people are existing it proves that there IS a way. you just don´t know it.

Im talking about principal law... nothing more nothing less...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Im talking about principal law... nothing more nothing less...

you should discuss it with a hen and an egg

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

How is it disrespectfull to the pornindustry to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”??? Its disrespectfull at most to the people left that still pay for it.

In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it and also having zero intentions to ever pay for it.

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

It would be a sure way to end porn tube piracy and illegal torrents if we lobbied for this. Seriously though, there could be a case for prosecuting freewankers for 'sexual voyeurism' or something.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

You have producers that are also the investors and sellers to end users...
and you have producers who work for a fee for some investor/business owner.

The word "thinking" is key. No one would invest if they didnt think they could sell it. Do they have quarantees? No. Thinking for some people is enough... They accept business risk and go broke or get rich. And all the others take a job.

The balance between buyers, publishers, producers and models has shifted so much over the last 10 years that today there are far fewer of all 4. We all know that far less porn is being sold, so there are fewer publishers, producers and models. Plus the prices paid by publishers is lowering as well.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

How is it disrespectfull to the pornindustry to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”??? Its disrespectfull at most to the people left that still pay for it.

In a way she gets raped a couple million times a day by all the freewankers that jerk of on her while not paying for it and also having zero intentions to ever pay for it.

She is not getting paid by the public btw shes getting paid by a producer. Little bit disrespectfull to producers to say they pay for her food; bills; roof etc while they dont know if they, in 2018, can make a roi by paying her the fees she is getting paid.

It's also a lie to say “that no one ever pays for the product we put out”. But many do say it all the time or similar mainly the pro tubes group.

Less people pay for it now, would be a far truer description.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by thommy

..
out of that the absolutely same happens to the model.
she spends her time, she comes to the job - so she have invested too.
...

in CV she can write 5 years experience in its startup businesswoman

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The balance between buyers, publishers, producers and models has shifted so much over the last 10 years that today there are far fewer of all 4. We all know that far less porn is being sold, so there are fewer publishers, producers and models. Plus the prices paid by publishers is lowering as well.

well, not models, there´s more models as it´s more open these days, many work for their own websites, filming porn or playing on cam. There´s less publishers and producers than maybe the mid 2000, but probably the same as there were in the 90s...

probably due to Atvod in the UK, less producers

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

well, not models, there´s more models as it´s more open these days, many work for their own websites, filming porn or playing on cam. There´s less publishers and producers than maybe the mid 2000, but probably the same as there were in the 90s...

probably due to Atvod in the UK, less producers

More girls are doing Cam work or filming for themselves. Whether they make more money is guesswork. Are they making $2,000 to $10,000 a week?

Which one of these is from today's time. https://www.worldoffemale.com/20-mos...-on-earth-sfw/

[NoWhErE]

In this thread: old man schooling us on what the industry is like even though he has absolutely no relevance, facts or experience in today's industry.

Missing in this thread: An old man with the ability to objectively look at what he is saying and ask himself: "Do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? Or am I just vomiting words on a keyboard?"

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

In this thread: old man schooling us on what the industry is like even though he has absolutely no relevance, facts or experience in today's industry.

Missing in this thread: An old man with the ability to objectively look at what he is saying and ask himself: "Do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? Or am I just vomiting words on a keyboard?"

Refresh my memory...who are you again?

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Refresh my memory...who are you again?

If you go to shows, you've most likely met me. Or promoted a program that I've worked on building. I've accepted multiple GFY awards. Go to any tube and look at the ads, you'll most likely see mine.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

More girls are doing Cam work or filming for themselves. Whether they make more money is guesswork. Are they making $2,000 to $10,000 a week?

Which one of these is from today's time. https://www.worldoffemale.com/20-mos...-on-earth-sfw/

of course, they earn it in the industry - in webcam


Judge awards Trump lawyers nearly $300,000 in Stormy Daniels case
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...im/2281480002/

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

If you go to shows, you've most likely met me. Or promoted a program that I've worked on building. I've accepted multiple GFY awards. Go to any tube and look at the ads, you'll most likely see mine.

Oh, okay.

So you don't work in the actual content production aspect of the industry.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Oh, okay.

So you don't work in the actual content production aspect of the industry.

My role started on the production side. I have done everything from filming, casting, editing, producing and now I work more on the business side of the industry.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

In this thread: old man schooling us on what the industry is like even though he has absolutely no relevance, facts or experience in today's industry.

Missing in this thread: An old man with the ability to objectively look at what he is saying and ask himself: "Do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? Or am I just vomiting words on a keyboard?"

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

My role started on the production side. I have done everything from filming, casting, editing, producing and now I work more on the business side of the industry.

For some of us company owners (and former owners) the "business side" of the industry includes all facets of it including production, casting, filming, advertising/promotion, program creation, et al.

As a program promoter you're a middleman, still reliant on those who actually create and produce the content, correct?

And by your own words, since you're no longer in the filming, casting, editing and producing end of the industry, your experience and knowledge in those areas could also be deemed by some as having no relevance to today's industry.

Look - I'm no fan of Paul Markham. But that said...simply dismissing him (and others like him who contributed to pioneering a significant amount of the online porn industry over the years) by labeling him "irrelevant" and "someone vomiting words on a keyboard" when yourself are no longer involved in many key aspects of the industry...comes across as rather haughty and gauche.

[crockett]

The money is in motion

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Look - I'm no fan of Paul Markham. But that said...simply dismissing him (and others like him who contributed to pioneering a significant amount of the online porn industry over the years) by labeling him "irrelevant" and "someone vomiting words on a keyboard" when yourself are no longer involved in many key aspects of the industry...comes across as rather haughty and gauche.

I think the issue with Paul lately, for some, is he basically rejects anyone's claim that they're making money if they're not a tube.

When people take the time to explain how, he argues with them and rejects it. It seems Paul has a fundamental disrespect & disbelief for anyone still making content and making money without a tube.

I lobbied for Paul to be unbanned for over a year and I'm glad he's back. It is easy to see how, after a lot of effort some take to explain things to Paul, that they get fed up and write him off as irrelevant. You can only be called a liar so many times before writing someone off. Respect is a two way street.

I love it when Paul tells us stories of his life, current & past. Great stuff! But when he talks about the current state of things he always gets it wrong and refuses to absorb what's going on currently.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

For some of us company owners (and former owners) the "business side" of the industry includes all facets of it including production, casting, filming, advertising/promotion, program creation, et al.

As a program promoter you're a middleman, still reliant on those who actually create and produce the content, correct?

And by your own words, since you're no longer in the filming, casting, editing and producing end of the industry, your experience and knowledge in those areas could also be deemed by some as having no relevance to today's industry.

Look - I'm no fan of Paul Markham. But that said...simply dismissing him (and others like him who contributed to pioneering a significant amount of the online porn industry over the years) by labeling him "irrelevant" and "someone vomiting words on a keyboard" when yourself are no longer involved in many key aspects of the industry...comes across as rather haughty and gauche.

a) Just because I'm not currently involved doesn't mean I still don't know whats going on. Its part of the reason I still frequent this board.

b) "Business side" might have been the wrong term I used. Maybe I should have said "Marketing side". Fair enough.

c) No, as a middleman I can have my own content created to promote someone else's product. Not all products in adult are paysites.

d) I generally don't try to be dismissive and I respect the experience Paul has. However, respect is also a two way street. When somebody doesn't reciprocate respect, I rescinder mine. In this case, Paul has been on a rampage of preaching what he THINKS the industry is like and takes into account absolutely nothing of what other people are saying. If calling him out on it makes me come across haughty and gauche, then so be it.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

a) Just because I'm not currently involved doesn't mean I still don't know whats going on. Its part of the reason I still frequent this board.

b) "Business side" might have been the wrong term I used. Maybe I should have said "Marketing side". Fair enough.

c) No, as a middleman I can have my own content created to promote someone else's product. Not all products in adult are paysites.

d) I generally don't try to be dismissive and I respect the experience Paul has. However, respect is also a two way street. When somebody doesn't reciprocate respect, I rescinder mine. In this case, Paul has been on a rampage of preaching what he THINKS the industry is like and takes into account absolutely nothing of what other people are saying. If calling him out on it makes me come across haughty and gauche, then so be it.

Fair enough - I can respect your opinion that way.

[patadeperro]

The tubes have been the biggest game changer in a long time, are they unfair? yes, do they allow stolen content? yes can you use them to make money in a legal way? yes.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

For some of us company owners (and former owners) the "business side" of the industry includes all facets of it including production, casting, filming, advertising/promotion, program creation, et al.

As a program promoter you're a middleman, still reliant on those who actually create and produce the content, correct?

And by your own words, since you're no longer in the filming, casting, editing and producing end of the industry, your experience and knowledge in those areas could also be deemed by some as having no relevance to today's industry.

Look - I'm no fan of Paul Markham. But that said...simply dismissing him (and others like him who contributed to pioneering a significant amount of the online porn industry over the years) by labeling him "irrelevant" and "someone vomiting words on a keyboard" when yourself are no longer involved in many key aspects of the industry...comes across as rather haughty and gauche.

who gives a flying fuck if the content of a website that an affiliate promotes is from paul markham, walt disney or from an amateur that produced it????

and as i repeated many times here they are producing in a day more than the good old industry did in a year.

they are also using the tubes to promote their names and their content and they are glad to give this content fro free and not have to pay for it.

just because a part of the machine have changed for something more effective the producers of the old parts can not tell us that the machine is not working anymore. because WE KNOW IT BETTER but they don´t know a shit because they are retired or out of biz because they were beaten.

so shall we trust the numbers we see or someone who was unable to adapt new things and went out of biz because his profits went to hell ?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Look - I'm no fan of Paul Markham. But that said...simply dismissing him (and others like him who contributed to pioneering a significant amount of the online porn industry over the years) by labeling him "irrelevant" and "someone vomiting words on a keyboard" when yourself are no longer involved in many key aspects of the industry...comes across as rather haughty and gauche.

That;t what they have to do. Otherwise they would be admitting they cut their own throat.

Did NoWhErE move from job to job because he was a success in one, or forced to by industry changes.

I was so successful shooting porn I never had to move.

To give up a job that was making me a lot of money and fun, plus naked horny females, . For a career building, running, shooting for my own paysite, then dealing traffic, affiliates, etc. All in the hope it would make me more money than I was making. Another stupid idea. If I could have found a guy to take that on and do it well, then it would of happened. I know someone who can build a site, running it would be easy, but affiliates. They were a problem and I found no one who could deal with that side.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I think the issue with Paul lately, for some, is he basically rejects anyone's claim that they're making money if they're not a tube.

When you start off with a lie, I stop reading.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

My role started on the production side. I have done everything from filming, casting, editing, producing and now I work more on the business side of the industry.

So a Jack of all trades and a master of none.

I began my real career selling office furniture to multi nationals in up to 7 figure sums, then moved into advertising, then into porn production/selling. I know a lot more about marketing than most here. Dissecting demographics, knowing what turns people on, catching their attention, drawing them in, etc. It's not what most here call marketing, the dissecting of stats and just collecting traffic in any way possible.

I have always maintained that giving away a product endlessly kills a % of sales. And none of you can disagree with that I hope. The more you give away the higher % you lose in sales. Justifying by saying Data and Ad sales replace the money lost is stupid. In fact very very stupid.

Any site can carry Ads and collect data. Even paysites.

So what do you need to sell a paysite membership? Nothing more than a link to a tour. At the most a single picture. The problem arises with the constant piggy back game we played. We started off with Newsgroups, then link list, then TGP, the video TGPs, then blogs, then small Tubes with compressed scenes, to today. Where we have millions of scenes given away in good quality, certainly better that some years ago, stealing such a high % of sales that the industry is declining.

I know there's nothing to be done about it, until Governments step in, but don't spin crap and BS that you're all making more than you would be selling porn to the 100,000,000 who are getting it for free. Because you can stick ads and collect data on any site.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by patadeperro

The tubes have been the biggest game changer in a long time, are they unfair? yes, do they allow stolen content? yes can you use them to make money in a legal way? yes.

The question is can the industry make as much money as it would by selling paysite memberships?