Business Czech, Hungarian or other European production?

[celandina]

Call it a survey or an idea ? Who still produces new adult material in countries listed above. I will reveal my plan once I know the reality of the above question

[MaDalton]

most of them who do, you won't find on GFY

[Tom.K]

Originally Posted by StefanG

most of them who do, you won't find on GFY

I still check this place from time to time not much business, but can laugh on some posts

I produce in Prague, 4K, multicam, VR

Genres: most, quality: from amateur cellphone to broadcast 4K 422 10 bit 60p

Still have time for 1 or 2 clients this year

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Tom.K

I still check this place from time to time not much business, but can laugh on some posts

I produce in Prague, 4K, multicam, VR

Genres: most, quality: from amateur cellphone to broadcast 4K 422 10 bit 60p

Still have time for 1 or 2 clients this year

wait a few minutes for paul. he will tell you that you are dead already.

[The Porn Nerd]

The new Big Spots for porn production is Turkey, Egypt and Syria. Please go there and start filming ASAP.

Have luck.

[Porno Dan]

I produce in Hungary and all the top companies in adult have at least one crew there

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I produce in Hungary and all the top companies in adult have at least one crew there

This

[k0nr4d]

I have 2 friends that produce in Poland - one of which does VR. Poland's porn industry I can count on my fingers though

[Paul Markham]

There's still a couple who shoot here and in Hungary. What kind of scenes do you need?

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There's still a couple who shoot here and in Hungary. What kind of scenes do you need?

I do not need anything shot. We shoot our own in Czech. A hint for now is: " I remember paying about $ 800 per day for a location ( house or a fancy suite) with many limitations. Then add security and clean up costs for a total of about 1000 per day. I am of course talking legit shoots ( not a guerrilla sneaky stuff or low end " Motel 6 "type of location).

Is this still the going rate ? Or did it went up or down ? This is a part of my survey before I reveal my plan. More as it develops.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by StefanG

most of them who do, you won't find on GFY

Too bad, possibly a great opportunity missed

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by celandina

I do not need anything shot. We shoot our own in Czech. A hint for now is: " I remember paying about $ 800 per day for a location ( house or a fancy suite) with many limitations. Then add security and clean up costs for a total of about 1000 per day. I am of course talking legit shoots ( not a guerrilla sneaky stuff or low end " Motel 6 "type of location).

Is this still the going rate ? Or did it went up or down ? This is a part of my survey before I reveal my plan. More as it develops.

i think most locations we used were like 400€/day - no extra costs.

occasionally there might have been a bigger house that cost more, but not dramatically more.

your prices sound high - unless you book mansions on a regular basis

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by celandina

I do not need anything shot. We shoot our own in Czech. A hint for now is: " I remember paying about $ 800 per day for a location ( house or a fancy suite) with many limitations. Then add security and clean up costs for a total of about 1000 per day. I am of course talking legit shoots ( not a guerrilla sneaky stuff or low end " Motel 6 "type of location).

Is this still the going rate ? Or did it went up or down ? This is a part of my survey before I reveal my plan. More as it develops.

The costs of locations rises and falls depending on the location. 30 years ago $1,000 a day for a location would get you a villa, manor style location. Too much for one shooter because of ROI. For three it was affordable.We used to go on one, two or three trips a year to villas in Spain, Portugal, Canary Islands, etc.

I know shooters who did make it pay, shooting for Playboy style productions.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by StefanG

i think most locations we used were like 400€/day - no extra costs.

occasionally there might have been a bigger house that cost more, but not dramatically more.

your prices sound high - unless you book mansions on a regular basis

For Eastern Europe it sounds very high. Unless the location will sell the product or it can handle multiple shooters at the same time. It's the wrong price.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

For Eastern Europe it sounds very high. Unless the location will sell the product or it can handle multiple shooters at the same time. It's the wrong price.

hardly ever a screenshot was more appropriate



but what would you know - when was the last time you rented a location?

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by StefanG

i think most locations we used were like 400€/day - no extra costs.

occasionally there might have been a bigger house that cost more, but not dramatically more.

your prices sound high - unless you book mansions on a regular basis

Houses here in Hungary are around the same, over 90% are in the 300 to 500 Euro range

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Houses here in Hungary are around the same, over 90% are in the 300 to 500 Euro range

yes. You know, I know - just Paul doesn't know.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by StefanG

i think most locations we used were like 400€/day - no extra costs.
occasionally there might have been a bigger house that cost more, but not dramatically more.
your prices sound high - unless you book mansions on a regular basis

At 400 Euro ( about 500 $) seems low but hey, my idea leaned more to a classical mansion, small chateau or high end penthouse, not a house in Suburbia. I believe a production value is more then a rooms equiped by Ikea. Also the landlord must know it is a pron shoot.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The costs of locations rises and falls depending on the location. 30 years ago $1,000 a day for a location would get you a villa, manor style location. Too much for one shooter because of ROI. For three it was affordable.We used to go on one, two or three trips a year to villas in Spain, Portugal, Canary Islands, etc.

I know shooters who did make it pay, shooting for Playboy style productions.

I should have indicated that I was referring to a large villa,mansion,small chateau or high end penthouse. Not a typical apartment or suburbian house.

Still interested to know if any productions still care about the enviroment they shoot at not just the " porny bits"...

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Houses here in Hungary are around the same, over 90% are in the 300 to 500 Euro range

I was referring to this:



Not this:



Basically anyone cares how the enviroment surrounding the models looks?

Anybody cares if the models do it in this:



Or this ?

[MaDalton]

There are locations like that, but which clients are really interested in spending that much on a location?

Besides maybe Marc Dorcel for one movie per year?

And does it sell more memberships when you double the cost for the location?

We never paid the location ourselves, our clients did. It was their choice what to book and how much to spend.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by StefanG

There are locations like that, but which clients are really interested in spending that much on a location?
.......

That is why I am asking. Indo not know either. My opinion is that customers will pay for quality and that includes the physical location. But in today's enviroment I am not sure, hence I have started this thread.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by celandina

That is why I am asking. Indo not know either. My opinion is that customers will pay for quality and that includes the physical location. But in today's enviroment I am not sure, hence I have started this thread.

Well, it's my experience for the last 15 years that only very few clients are willing to pay for high end locations.

And let's be honest: a double anal doesn't get any better with golden door handles.

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by celandina

That is why I am asking. Indo not know either. My opinion is that customers will pay for quality and that includes the physical location. But in today's enviroment I am not sure, hence I have started this thread.

Originally Posted by StefanG

Well, it's my experience for the last 15 years that only very few clients are willing to pay for high end locations.

And let's be honest: a double anal doesn't get any better with golden door handles.

Stefan is very correct that a location will only help with sales so much

Also, the reality is that we can rent top quality locations in the 300 to 500 Euro per day range in Hungary.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by celandina

I should have indicated that I was referring to a large villa,mansion,small chateau or high end penthouse. Not a typical apartment or suburbian house.

Still interested to know if any productions still care about the enviroment they shoot at not just the " porny bits"...

This link will help you the best https://www.google.com/search?ei=g5Z...71.83qxff5cAfM

What you need to do is ask the renter if you can use it for what ever you need.

As for people paying extra for the location. Ask the publishers. IMO and experience the days of getting $3,000 for every solo girl set are long gone.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by StefanG

yes. You know, I know - just Paul doesn't know.

It's not a secret. https://www.google.com/search?ei=EZd...30.A_fX36r8qMA

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by celandina

I was referring to this:



Not this:



Basically anyone cares how the enviroment surrounding the models looks?

Anybody cares if the models do it in this:



Or this ?

To get the extra for content, even back in the day, there were certain criteria one had to maintain. Were the skills of the producer, equipment, models, make up, clothing to the standard of the location? It was no good shooting an average scene in a top drawer location.

When I used to do it I made the money by splitting the costs of location, flights, etc with other producers. Then we shot enough content 30 soft core scenes that would sell for $1,000 each. The profit was in American sales, second right, cable, etc. Those days are long gone even for top drawer productions. Today the ROI is better for average and lots of it. If you can get lots of it.

So for the large villa you showed, can you get enough orders to justify 3-4 shooters and 6-8 models, for the minimum length of renting the location?

[MaDalton]

Paul, Paul, Paul... <sigh>

[Struggle4Bucks]

I am aware of the prices in Hungary and CZ. That doesn´t mean that I think these prices are "reasonable". Porn producers getting extorted... I mean.... 400/500 EUR a day for renting a house or apartment in CZ.... You can rent a decent apartment for 500/600 euro a MONTH in CZ. You can BUY a house in Hungary starting from 5000 EUR....

So if you want to spend a day with your partner in a apartment and rent it via airbnb and have a nice weekend out... it will cost you what? Thats including that you can fuck your own girlfriend during that weekend. Put a camera on it price will tripple....

[Struggle4Bucks]

What makes a good production a good production? Point a 40K RED camera on a crackwhore in a crackhouse.... you will still have a shitty production!

ALL aspects count when it comes to good productions.... and a location that fits the need of specific production is one of them... So yes a good location is one of the key factors...
That doesnt necesarilly means that there should be golden toilets.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

To get the extra for content, even back in the day, there were certain criteria one had to maintain. Were the skills of the producer, equipment, models, make up, clothing to the standard of the location? It was no good shooting an average scene in a top drawer location.

When I used to do it I made the money by splitting the costs of location, flights, etc with other producers. Then we shot enough content 30 soft core scenes that would sell for $1,000 each. The profit was in American sales, second right, cable, etc. Those days are long gone even for top drawer productions. Today the ROI is better for average and lots of it. If you can get lots of it.

So for the large villa you showed, can you get enough orders to justify 3-4 shooters and 6-8 models, for the minimum length of renting the location?

I guess my plan is not off to the good start. Just for a bit of info: I have an access to a huge ( 50,000 x 5 stage sq ft) film studio ( bigger then Kink used to have in SF ) with a full prop, wardrobe, and art dept. and with about 20 standing sets. Located in the Czech Rep. (nice and inexpensive hotel is about 100 m away from the gates of the studio ). I have an option to lease ( or even buy the property) but doing it alone is not an option. The thread was started in order to try to figure out if there is enough producers to form a syndicate of sorts to participate in the deal.

To make it work would require anyting from 10 to 20 producers to share the space. It appears here that the industry is NOT quite ready to have another Kink type of facility

So I will close this thread unless somebody has some brilliant idea

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by celandina

I guess my plan is not off to the good start. Just for a bit of info: I have an access to a huge ( 50,000 x 5 stage sq ft) film studio ( bigger then Kink used to have in SF ) with a full prop, wardrobe, and art dept. and with about 20 standing sets. Located in the Czech Rep. (nice and inexpensive hotel is about 100 m away from the gates of the studio ). I have an option to lease ( or even buy the property) but doing it alone is not an option. The thread was started in order to try to figure out if there is enough producers to form a syndicate of sorts to participate in the deal.

To make it work would require anyting from 10 to 20 producers to share the space. It appears here that the industry is NOT quite ready to have another Kink type of facility

So I will close this thread unless somebody has some brilliant idea

I know we discussed this before here but my ex partner does mostly VR and therefore it rules out studio settings.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

I am aware of the prices in Hungary and CZ. That doesn´t mean that I think these prices are "reasonable". Porn producers getting extorted... I mean.... 400/500 EUR a day for renting a house or apartment in CZ.... You can rent a decent apartment for 500/600 euro a MONTH in CZ. You can BUY a house in Hungary starting from 5000 EUR....

So if you want to spend a day with your partner in a apartment and rent it via airbnb and have a nice weekend out... it will cost you what? Thats including that you can fuck your own girlfriend during that weekend. Put a camera on it price will tripple....

it might work for 1 guy and 1 girl - but when you have 5-10 people on set and all your equiment, you can't carry that into an AirBNB location without telling anyone what you are going to do there. Which then of course no one will agree to.

So your comparison is invalid.

But here's an idea: Buy a house in Prague or Budapest and rent it out for €400/day - best investment ever.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by StefanG

So your comparison is invalid.

Exactly... thats what i mean with producers are getting extorded...

Square meters are getting a different price depending on what will happen between those walls.... that was my point so you are comparing 2 things that were not meant as a comparison...

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by StefanG

But here's an idea: Buy a house in Prague or Budapest and rent it out for €400/day - best investment ever.

Thats not an investment thats fucking around without the “program discussion”.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Exactly... thats what i mean with producers are getting extorded...

Square meters are getting a different price depending on what will happen between those walls.... that was my point so you are comparing 2 things that were not meant as a comparison...

if it was my place i would also not rent it for any less than that - have you ever seen how regular porn locations look behind the scenes?

if you have 5-15 people in your place on a daily basis, many of them with no idea how to behave like a human being, your place gets torn to shreds all the time.

plus the fact that its all over the internet/TV

plus you really can't live in that place

plus its not booked every day but maybe 10 days a month and you have to pay taxes cause its company income

and so on...

so if i have been paying these prices for the last 10 years and others do as well - and we dont feel extorted - then i think you dont need to worry about that.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by celandina

I guess my plan is not off to the good start. Just for a bit of info: I have an access to a huge ( 50,000 x 5 stage sq ft) film studio ( bigger then Kink used to have in SF ) with a full prop, wardrobe, and art dept. and with about 20 standing sets. Located in the Czech Rep. (nice and inexpensive hotel is about 100 m away from the gates of the studio ). I have an option to lease ( or even buy the property) but doing it alone is not an option. The thread was started in order to try to figure out if there is enough producers to form a syndicate of sorts to participate in the deal.

To make it work would require anyting from 10 to 20 producers to share the space. It appears here that the industry is NOT quite ready to have another Kink type of facility

So I will close this thread unless somebody has some brilliant idea

Getting that many producers to share a location in today's industry will be an uphill struggle.

Don't know your work so having the props and a studio is the start. Models are the next problem, will all those producers share the same pool of models? Czech, Hungary isn't as big as the US pool of models. Most other countries do have a few models who would make the grade, but again your problem is sharing them. Unless you plan to fly them in from the States IMO it won't work. Would you include American producers?

I applaud your trying to find new ways, there will be loads here who will say "Great Idea" but it's not their money at risk.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Getting that many producers to share a location in today's industry will be an uphill struggle.

Don't know your work so having the props and a studio is the start. Models are the next problem, will all those producers share the same pool of models? Czech, Hungary isn't as big as the US pool of models. Most other countries do have a few models who would make the grade, but again your problem is sharing them. Unless you plan to fly them in from the States IMO it won't work. Would you include American producers?

I applaud your trying to find new ways, there will be loads here who will say "Great Idea" but it's not their money at risk.

Most " American" models now days are various versions of Europeans...the pool is huge and also flying somebody out of LA is not that expensive any more. The issue is that adult now days looks " homey" and I guess that Motel 6 type of location is sufficent for most.

Trying to syndicate and use place like Kink had in SF is likely not feasible from reading this thread.

The " sharing" part would be no different then your average hockey ring or soccer pitch. Dozens of producers could be accomodated ( I did say 4 x 10,000 sq feet stages) over some period, no different then a time share..

Anyway I have my answers, this plan does not appear to be feasible

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by StefanG

have you ever seen how regular porn locations look behind the scenes?

I mostly rented shitholes.... because that was demanded because of the type of shoots I did.

Originally Posted by StefanG

if you have 5-15 people in your place on a daily basis, many of them with no idea how to behave like a human being, your place gets torn to shreds all the time

I usualy had 8/12 people on set. Under my supervision no one ever damaged other peoples properties. But... i know what you mean...

Originally Posted by StefanG

plus the fact that its all over the internet/TV

To girls who fantasize about getting paid 1 million dollar "or else I would not fuck on camera" I always say: If you don't like the idea getting fucked on camera then no amount of money will be satisfactory... If you do like it then this is my offer. I quess the same counts for locations...

Originally Posted by StefanG

plus its not booked every day but maybe 10 days a month and you have to pay taxes cause its company income

Say I have a pizzaplace and I need 100$ a day to make a living but I only sell 2 pizzas a day... Does that mean that I have to sell my pizzas for 50$ each or does it mean that I don't have a business?

Originally Posted by StefanG

so if i have been paying these prices for the last 10 years and others do as well - and we dont feel extorted - then i think you dont need to worry about that.

Don´t worrie I never worry about others

But seriously... 400/500 euros a day for these nothing special Eastern European regular flats with their typical Eastern european looks.... Im not really impressed by it... don't really like it.... and personally I think that amount of money is just totally out of balance (for example if you take notice of the market value of these real estate objects).