Business Data: How long between studio release and availability on tubes and torrents?

[AdultKing]

How long do you think it takes for a brand new release by a studio to appear on some tubes and torrent sites?

This is something I was wondering, so I decided to delve into the data.

On the 1st February I launched some code to query my web crawlers and other sources.

I followed 40 top studio and paysite network Twitter accounts and some PR company accounts.

Then I set about running quick crawls across a sample of tubes and torrent sites.

Each time a new release was announced a time stamp was created of the first official channel sighting of the release, then a quick crawl began over 8 tube sites and 17 torrent sites.

This data sample ended today and the results are shocking (at least to me).

The shortest time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 7 minutes and 44 seconds.

The longest time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 2 hours 19 minutes 09 seconds*

The average time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 18 minutes 31 seconds

When a studio, producer or pay site network announce a release there is almost no time between the release and its availability though torrents or some tubes.

I placed a star * next to the longest time measured because this excludes titles that were not released in the sample period. Over the sample period just a few announced titles never made it to tubes or torrent sites.

Am I out of touch to even be surprised by the speed of these releases?

[celandina]

Here you go bro



...anything else (unless authorised) is a robbery and thievery.

[pimpmaster9000]

they should probably quit announcing

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by celandina

Here you go bro



...anything else (unless authorised) is a robbery and thievery.

Thank you for your input Captain Obvious.

[Klen]

I was also thinking about piracy, and was wondering why paysites simply does not switch to stream only and stop offering downloads at all.

[Bladewire]

7 years since AdultKings failed filelocker project and he still wants to rub content theft in the nose of content creators this bitch has serious issues

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I was also thinking about piracy, and was wondering why paysites simply does not switch to stream only and stop offering downloads at all.

Some torrents are labelled WEBDL which means that they've been taken from a stream.

If you can view it you can copy it.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Some torrents are labelled WEBDL which means that they've been taken from a stream.

If you can view it you can copy it.

I think it depend which software is used for stream, some are easy to save some prevent it.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I think it depend which software is used for stream, some are easy to save some prevent it.

I have 3 php scripts with about 100 lines of code total that I stream with and it hides the source url as well

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I have 3 php scripts with about 100 lines of code total that I stream with and it hides the source url as well

We've something like that plus the username of the subscriber will always show in a corner.

We also receive email notifications if someone goes insane with the streaming (streaming multiple full movies back-to-back) as that's a surefire sign the person is capturing and not simply viewing for pleasure.

I think paysites would see less piracy if they monitor user activity more and ban super heavy users.

[NoWhErE]

Is this to mesure piracy of FULL scenes? Because announcing a scene and uploading its promo clip to a tube is fairly common marketing practice.

However, if its the full scene... then yeah... its quite disheartening. I'm not surprised though. I guess it would be relatively easy to create a bot that would ping a member's area for updates using hacked accounts.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Is this to mesure piracy of FULL scenes? Because announcing a scene and uploading its promo clip to a tube is fairly common marketing practice.

However, if its the full scene... then yeah... its quite disheartening. I'm not surprised though. I guess it would be relatively easy to create a bot that would ping a member's area for updates using hacked accounts.

Full scenes, even full release 2+ hour movies.

I was surprised by the results of this, I was expecting days to weeks, not minutes.

[patadeperro]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

How long do you think it takes for a brand new release by a studio to appear on some tubes and torrent sites?

This is something I was wondering, so I decided to delve into the data.

On the 1st February I launched some code to query my web crawlers and other sources.

I followed 40 top studio and paysite network Twitter accounts and some PR company accounts.

Then I set about running quick crawls across a sample of tubes and torrent sites.

Each time a new release was announced a time stamp was created of the first official channel sighting of the release, then a quick crawl began over 8 tube sites and 17 torrent sites.

This data sample ended today and the results are shocking (at least to me).

The shortest time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 7 minutes and 44 seconds.

The longest time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 2 hours 19 minutes 09 seconds*

The average time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 18 minutes 31 seconds

When a studio, producer or pay site network announce a release there is almost no time between the release and its availability though torrents or some tubes.

I placed a star * next to the longest time measured because this excludes titles that were not released in the sample period. Over the sample period just a few announced titles never made it to tubes or torrent sites.

Am I out of touch to even be surprised by the speed of these releases?

Last time I came to post something you invited me to interact more with some GFY members in their threads so here I come I will interact with your content, first of all as you made clear in the last thread English is not my first language, but I am a little bit more fluent in the language of math, just like you recommended me to improve my spelling in English I am going to make the same recommendation for you in the language of math, your language in this category is really poor ….. but let me explain what I mean by that:

1. I do not understand what is the point of this thread whatsoever, if you are trying to make an informative post your sample is extremely low and irrelevant, you are making the statistical mistake that is called a non-representative sample more commonly known as an anecdotal evidence…… if you are such an expert in big data and AI as you claimed to be in your previous thread this should be common knowledge to you, but in case it isn’t here is the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
   
2. You said you followed 40 studios, twitter accounts and some PR company accounts… how many? You understand there are 180 quadrillion web pages , meaning 10exp5 (1 with 15 zeros at the right) so even if you analysed a million of pages that can be taken as a rounding error right? Meaning that even if you analysed a million an accounts that would be still absolutely irrelevant.
   
3. I quote you: “This data sample ended today and the results are shocking (at least to me).” So you really call this a sample? Weird that somebody who says to know about Big data does not know the data he has recollected is absolutely irrelevant and can’t even be called a sample.
   
4. I quote you again: “The shortest time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 7 minutes and 44 seconds.
   
   The longest time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 2 hours 19 minutes 09 seconds*
   
   The average time measured between an announcement of a release and it's 1080p resolution availability for download or viewing was 18 minutes 31 seconds”
   
   You understand that presenting these data without a base means nothing right? What if it took 2 seconds to be pirated 10 years before? Then there is an improvement, is this fast? Compared with what? Is it better? Compared with what? Why do you show the average time instead of the mode? Does the information you collected have a normal distribution? Because if it does not you know the measures you used make no sense correct?
   
5. I quote you once more: “then a quick crawl began over 8 tube sites and 17 torrent sites.” Once we already defined your “sample” is completely ridiculous…. You do understand that sometimes affiliates will upload to the tubes files, videos with the same name of the releases so the people who are looking for the pirated content find this files, clicks on them and get their cookie so when they go around without finding anything and go back to the page that sells the content they get accredited with the sale correct?...and these content may not be even pirated, may be the launching video edited several times, put together to be a 2hr "movie" so people think they are getting the real thing... maybe instead of insulting as spammy the affiliate techniques and tools you should try to better understand them to not make such a nonsensical posts……

I really hope you can explain further the comments I made, this post is not informative, interesting nor correct lets stop the superficial analysis that seems to be so abundant.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by patadeperro

I really hope you can explain further the comments I made, this post is not informative, interesting nor correct lets stop the superficial analysis that seems to be so abundant.

You obviously have no understanding of this industry.

I selected a representative sample of studios, there are only a limited number of studios / pay sites releasing content regularly.

Out of those 40 who all tweet their latest releases, some on an almost daily basis, most more than weekly, all of them had their content very quickly pirated.

It doesn't matter that there are "180 quadrillion web pages" what matters is that there are a clearly defined set of popular studios/pay sites and a defined set of pirate release sites and tubes.

Your spurious comments are just that spurious. It's obvious that you don't understand what you're talking about because if you did then you would know that one one side there are a limited number of active producers and on the other there are a limited number of go to piracy sites that cater to release groups and surfers. The other sites and pages on the web are irrelevant.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

You obviously have no understanding of this industry.

He has a lot of valid points & information.

He knows exactly what he's talking about.

He made 5 succinct points and you don't have the knowledge to counter him point by point. It's nothing to be ashamed about but the truth is the truth.

When you're confronted with people with more knowledge than you, you belittle them and you brush them off. Nobody's perfect. None of us are.

[King Mark]

Nice info in here. Bookmarked.

Y'all willing to share them streaming codes?

[celandina]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I think it depend which software is used for stream, some are easy to save some prevent it.

Thieves will always try to find other way to steal

[celandina]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Thank you for your input Captain Obvious.

Anytime. After all a captain always tries to help another captain..

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by celandina

Thieves will always try to find other way to steal

Correct.

It you can view it (images or video) then you can steal it. It doesn't matter what obfuscation you try to do, it can always be captured by a headless browser or grabbing the video data direct from video memory as it's written out.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I was also thinking about piracy, and was wondering why paysites simply does not switch to stream only and stop offering downloads at all.

Or just use content protection like every other service in the world does.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Correct.

It you can view it (images or video) then you can steal it. It doesn't matter what obfuscation you try to do, it can always be captured by a headless browser or grabbing the video data direct from video memory as it's written out.

What a logic if you can see it you can steal it. Wow that is a good one. I will remeber it next time I am in a supermarket. ....Oh officer it was not me it was the deep pocket of my jacket you should arrest.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by celandina

What a logic if you can see it you can steal it. Wow that is a good one. I will remeber it next time I am in a supermarket. ....Oh officer it was not me it was the deep pocket of my jacket you should arrest.

I was talking about technology.

DRM and streaming obfuscation don't work because ultimately something has to be displayed on a monitor. Anything displayed on a monitor can be captured as a video file.

Maybe it's language, or maybe context that confuses you.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I was talking about technology.

DRM and streaming obfuscation don't work because ultimately something has to be displayed on a monitor. Anything displayed on a monitor can be captured as a video file.

Maybe it's language, or maybe context that confuses you.

No it does not. I am not confused. Somebody crooked has developed and peddled this technology and some other crook is using it. You cannot blame technology for thievery.

You cannot blame internal combustion engine for drunk driving either.

[patadeperro]

There is not worst blind than those who are not willing to see.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by patadeperro

There is not worst blind than those who are not willing to see.

[AmeliaG]

There are legitimate uses for audiovisual screen capture technology -- training, journalism, ease of promo material creation, etc.

Why are supposed industry professionals focusing on whether longtime tech exists, or past speeds of piracy, rather than the current speed of piracy?

Is this really such a non-industry forum at this point that folks are offended by the existence of an industry post?

[iceboi]

Thanks for sharing, it's not surprising though considering that a simple bot checking the websites every minute for updates can accomplish that.

ps: There is nothing wrong with the sample. Your sample was enough to prove that content released by popular studios get pirated in minutes. I don't see why you need to consider the quadrillion of webpages that exist to prove that.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

[patadeperro]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Is this really such a non-industry forum at this point that folks are offended by the existence of an industry post?

Who is feeling offender about the post? I commented on how shallow and useless it is, but I am not offended whatsoever.

Originally Posted by iceboi

ps: There is nothing wrong with the sample. Your sample was enough to prove that content released by popular studios get pirated in minutes. I don't see why you need to consider the quadrillion of webpages that exist to prove that.

Of course there are problems with his sample, even if he is just taking into account a few studios we need to know if the sample he took is representative or not, now you and Op and making a crucial mistake here not because there are files with the same name of the release videos it means those are the released videos nor that they are pirated, I AM NOT SAYING some people do not pirate content I am saying that unless you watched the entire content of the torrent files you are unable to say that is pirate content and I explained why in my first post, the shallowness of your comments is part of the problem with the board, no real analysis just superficial comments.

@AdultKing since you are such an Big Data and AI expert (as per your own words) I invite you to contribute to my analysis: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-p...-trending.html make the anova part or even the t-test analysis I already gathered the information and cleaned the information happy to share it with you and learn from your expertise you claimed to have.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

7 years since AdultKings failed filelocker project and he still wants to rub content theft in the nose of content creators this bitch has serious issues

Yup while he is measuring measure how long it took him to sell out to MindGeek for I think it was 10k....

[Mr.Fiction]

Isn't there any way to slow downloading of streamed content to "real time"? If there is, how can they steal a two hour video and have it posted within 7 minutes? Seems like you could catch anyone trying to "stream" in super high speed (which is the same as downloading)?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Isn't there any way to slow downloading of streamed content to "real time"? If there is, how can they steal a two hour video and have it posted within 7 minutes? Seems like you could catch anyone trying to "stream" in super high speed (which is the same as downloading)?

Downloadable content in members areas?

[thirdworldxxx]

[Focus]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Some torrents are labelled WEBDL which means that they've been taken from a stream.

If you can view it you can copy it.

It will still reduce the amount of torrents do? Since it would take little more work compare to click down bam ... Been saying this for a very long time and the same answer i get from lot of studios " It is what it is" lol ONly conclusion i came with are prolly making more $ with ads in member area or deal with other studios to sell some membership. Instead of aiming being unique, recycling the users became more important.. Anyways, I don't and never will understand this crap of letting customers download ur full contents and let them do whatever they want with it. Thank you for reading my rant lol

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Isn't there any way to slow downloading of streamed content to "real time"? If there is, how can they steal a two hour video and have it posted within 7 minutes? Seems like you could catch anyone trying to "stream" in super high speed (which is the same as downloading)?

There's always going to be a way for someone tech savvy enough to figure out how to directly access those streams. What you may consider doing--something we do already--is have email notifications if a streaming-only accesses an unusually high amount of data in a short period of time.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Focus

It will still reduce the amount of torrents do? Since it would take little more work compare to click down bam ... Been saying this for a very long time and the same answer i get from lot of studios " It is what it is" lol ONly conclusion i came with are prolly making more $ with ads in member area or deal with other studios to sell some membership. Instead of aiming being unique, recycling the users became more important.. Anyways, I don't and never will understand this crap of letting customers download ur full contents and let them do whatever they want with it. Thank you for reading my rant lol

I tend to agree. I stopped giving passes to most review sites because I got tired of being dinged for not providing easy downloads of everything.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I tend to agree. I stopped giving passes to most review sites because I got tired of being dinged for not providing easy downloads of everything.

How do you reply when they email you about downloads?

When I get emails about a member not being able to download the videos with their download plugin I reply by thanking them for subscribing then tell them our focus is on creating great content and everything you can view online is downloadable. Then apologize for their difficulty and advise them that we don't provide support for any third party software, we just create the content.

When they ask why we don't provide a download button I advise them that it's extra work and maintenance for our webmaster and we found that 96% of customers were using a plug-in to download so we stopped offering a download button.