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02-28-2019, 04:22 PM
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Don't fret Trumpsters, a lot smarter people than Trump have been snookered by NK
He is just the latest in a long list of bullshit perpuated by NK.
North Korea cannot be trusted to keep it's word. They will say whatever they need to to get what they want (recognition, food, whatever) and then they will go right back to their same own ways. I had really hoped that perhaps Trump could pull it off, mainly because he is so unorthodox compared to those that have gone before, but it appears that that will not be so and NK will just continue on the way it has. A list of important N. Korea shit since about 1992, it is not complete by any means. I created it for a post on another board last year to highlight efforts by Obama and Bush to deal with NK and decided to include it here. A lot of the info comes from wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._missile_tests The rest is identified with an appropriate link: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- January 20, 1992: The two Koreas sign the South-North Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. Under the declaration, both countries agree not to “test, manufacture, produce, receive, possess, store, deploy or use nuclear weapons” or to “possess nuclear reprocessing and uranium enrichment facilities.” They also agree to mutual inspections for verification. ................................. 1993 North Korean missile test – (May 29/30, 1993) – Nodong 1998 North Korea fires off its first ballistic missile, the Unha-1 rocket, also known as the Taepodong-1 missile, from the launch site of Musudan-ri in North Hamgyong Province. 1999 North Korea agrees to a moratorium on long-range missile tests.[10] 2002 North Korea pledges to extend moratorium on missile tests beyond 2003. 2004 North Korea reaffirms moratorium. 2005 North Korea fires short-range missile into Sea of Japan. ................................. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron September 19, 2005: The participants in the six-party talks conclude a joint statement of principles to guide future negotiations. According to the statement, North Korea commits “to abandoning all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs and returning, at an early date, to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and to IAEA safeguards.” It also calls for the 1992 Joint Declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, which forbids the two Koreas from possessing uranium-enrichment and plutonium-separation facilities, to be “observed and implemented.” Washington affirms in the statement that it has no intention to attack or invade North Korea. The statement commits the participants to achieving “the verifiable denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula in a peaceful manner” and says that the parties agree “to take coordinated steps to implement” the agreed-upon obligations and rewards “in a phased manner in line with the principle of ‘commitment for commitment, action for action.’” ................................. July 5, 2006 2006 North Korean missile test – Taepodong-2 failed [9] ................................. The Six-Party Talks and President Obama's North Korea Policy | NTI The Six-Party Talks and President Obama's North Korea Policy | NTI On January 13, 2009, North Korea's Foreign Ministry released a statement asserting that normalization of diplomatic relations between the United States and North Korea should take precedence over denuclearization.[22] When U.S. Secretary of State-designate Hillary Clinton, during her confirmation hearing, stated that normalized relations will not be possible without complete and verifiable denuclearization, ................................. The Six-Party Talks and President Obama's North Korea Policy | NTI on January 23, 2009, only days after the official swearing in of President Obama, North Korea's dear leader Kim Jong-il pledged his country's commitment to the "denuclearization of the Korean peninsula" during a meeting with Wang Jiarui, head of the International Department of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee ................................. Albright Meets N. Korean '''Great Leader''' - ABC News Albright Meets N. Korean 'Great Leader' - ABC News U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright held historic talks with North Korea’s Kim Jong Il today and said Washington was taking a measured approach to rapprochement with the secretive communist state. ........................ While no accords are expected to be signed during her two-day trip, Albright will recommend for or against a visit by Clinton, who could then seal some deals, a senior U.S. official said. ........................ Albright wants to judge how serious Kim Jong Il really is about leading his country out of its long isolation and improving relations with Washington and U.S. allies in East Asia, the official told reporters during the long flight from Washington. ------------------------------------ July 4, 2009 2009 North Korean missile test May 18–20, 2013 2013 North Korean missile tests (part of 2013 Korean crisis) 2013 Korean Crisis. Testing of Atomic bombs, Gearing up plutonium production, all sorts of shit. March 2014 2014 North Korean missile tests including Nodong, success May 9, 2015 North Korea claims to launch a missile from a submarine April 9, 2016 Test of engine designed for an intercontinental ballistic missile August 24, 2016 North Korea claims to launch a Pukkuksong-1[16] missile capable of striking the United States.[17] The missile is a Submarine-launched ballistic missile.[1 ------------------------------------ continued in next post ---> .
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February 11, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Pukkuksong-2 missile over the Sea of Japan. This was the first launch of the new medium-range ballistic missile .[20][21][9] March 6, 2017 North Korea launches four ballistic missiles from the Tongchang-ri launch site in the northwest.[22] Some flew 620 mi (1,000 km) before falling into the Sea of Japan.[23][9] April 4, 2017 North Korea test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile from its eastern port of Sinpo into the Sea of Japan[24][25][9] April 15, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified land-based missile from the naval base in Sinpo but it exploded almost immediately after the takeoff .[26][27][28][29] April 28, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified missile from Pukchang airfield.[30][31] The missile, believed to be a medium-range[32] KN-17 ballistic missile,[30] faltered and broke apart minutes after liftoff.[32][33][34] May 13, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Hwasong-12[35] missile from a test site in the area of Kusong.[36] The missile, later revealed to be an intermediate range ballistic missile,[37] traveled 30 minutes,[38] reached an altitude of more than 2,111.5 km, and flew a horizontal distance of 789 km (489 miles), before falling into the Sea of Japan.[37] Such a missile would have a range of at least 4,000, reaching Guam, to 6,000 km.[36][35] May 21, 2017 North Korea test-fired another Pukkuksong-2 medium-range ballistic missile from Pukchang airfield,[39][40] which traveled approximately 500 km (300 miles) before falling into the Sea of Japan.[41] The missile landed about 350 km (217 miles) from North Korea's east coast.[41] May 29, 2017 North Korea fired a Short Range Ballistic Missile into the Sea of Japan. It traveled 450 km.[42] June 8, 2017 North Korea fired several missiles into the Sea of Japan. They are believed to be anti-ship missiles.[43] The South Korean military said the launches show the reclusive regime's "precise targeting capability." June 23, 2017 North Korea tested a new rocket engine that could possibly be fitted to an intercontinental ballistic missile.[44] July 4, 2017 North Korea tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) named Hwasong-14 on July 4.[45][46] It launched from the Panghyon Aircraft Factory 8 km southeast of Panghyon Airport.[47] It was aimed straight up at a lofted trajectory and reached more than 2,500 km into space.[48] It landed 37 minutes later,[49] more than 930 km from its launch site,[50] into Japan's exclusive economic zone.[51] Aiming long, the missile would have traveled 7,000–8,000 km or more, reaching Alaska, Hawaii, and maybe Seattle.[49][52][53][54][55] Its operational range would be farther, bringing a 500 kg payload to targets in most of the contiguous United States 9,700 km away.[56][57][58] July 28, 2017 The 14th missile test carried out by North Korea in 2017 was another ICBM launched at 23:41 North Korea time (15:41 GMT) from Chagang Province in the north of the country on July 28, 2017. Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Boston, and New York appear to be within range.[59] The missile's reentry vehicle (RV) was seen by people in Japan as it entered the atmosphere and landed near the northernmost Japanese island, Hokkaido.[60][61] Analysis later revealed that the RV broke up on re-entry; further testing would be required.[62] The CIA made an assessment expecting adequate performance of the RV under the different stresses of a shallower trajectory towards the continental US.[63] August 26, 2017 North Korea test-fired three short-range ballistic missiles from the Kangwon province on August 26. Two travel approximately 250 kilometers in a northeastern direction and one explodes immediately after launch.[64] August 29, 2017 On August 29, 2017, at 6 AM local time, North Korea launched a ballistic missile over Northern Japan.[65] The missile's short and low trajectory and its breakup into three pieces is consistent with the failure of a heavy post-boost vehicle.[66] September 15, 2017 North Korea launched a ballistic missile on September 15 from Sunan airfield. It reached a height of 770 km and flew a distance of 3,700 km for 17 minutes over Hokkaido before landing in the Pacific.[67] November 28, 2017 North Korea launched an ICBM from the vicinity of Pyongsong at 1:30pm EST/3:00am Pyongyang time. The rocket traveled for 50 minutes and reached 2800 miles (4,500 km) in height, both of which were new milestones. The missile flew 600 miles (1,000 km) east into the Sea of Japan; unlike summer launches, the Japanese government did not issue cellphone alerts to warn its citizens. North Korea called it a Hwasong-15 missile. Its potential range appears to be more than 8,000 miles (13,000 km), able to reach Washington and the rest of the continental United States.[68][69] Much about the missile is unknown. The missile might have been fitted with a mock warhead to increase its range, in which case the maximum missile range while carrying a heavy warhead might be shorter than 13,000 km. Based on satellite imagery, some experts believe that North Korea may now be able to fuel missiles horizontally, shortening the delay between when a missile becomes visible to when it can be launched.[68] The rocket is believed to have broken up on re-entry into the atmosphere.[70] ------------------------------------ March 9, 2018 White House says meeting with Kim Jong Un will not happen without '''concrete''' actions by North Korea | Fox News "White House says meeting with Kim Jong Un will not happen without 'concrete' actions by North Korea" https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/polit...ons/index.html President Donald Trump will not meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un unless North Korea takes "concrete and verifiable actions" toward denuclearization, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Friday. ................................. Trump rolls the dice on North Korea | TheHill “We’re not going to have this meeting take place until we see concrete actions that match the words and the rhetoric of North Korea,” Sanders said. “We’ve accepted the invitation to talk based on them following through with concrete actions on the promises that they’ve made.” ................................. Vice President Pence said in a statement Friday. “Our resolve is undeterred and our policy remains the same: all sanctions remain in place and the maximum pressure campaign will continue until North Korea takes concrete, permanent, and verifiable steps to end their nuclear program.” ................................. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_N...apore_S ummit On May 10, 2018, three Americans held by North Korea were released following negotiations between the Trump administration and the North Korean regime. ................................. On 12 May 2018, North Korea announced the closure and planned dismantlement of its Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site, .................................. June 11, 2018 - First Summit Between President Trump and Kim Jung Un. President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following: The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. ................................................ Today: WASHINGTON – North Korea’s foreign minister on Thursday contradicted President Donald Trump's account of the failed negotiations in Hanoi. During a rare statement to the international media in Vietnam, Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho said the North Koreans offered far more – and asked for far less – than the way Trump characterized the proposal. He also suggested it would be difficult to restart the negotiations. “It became crystal clear that the United States was not ready to accept our proposal,” Ri said through a translator. “Our proposal will never be changed, even though the United States proposes negotiation again in the future.” Trump had said North Korean leader Kim Jong Un asked for a full lifting of economic sanctions on his government. In exchange, Trump said, Kim offered to dismantle North Korea's main nuclear facility, Yongbyan. But Kim would not commit to giving up North Korea's stockpile of nuclear bombs, its missiles or its other capabilities, the president said. Ri told reporters that North Korea had offered to permanently dismantle all its nuclear material production, including plutonium and uranium, around the Yongbyan facility under observation by U.S. experts. And Kim only asked for partial relief from the multilateral sanctions, he said. ................................. .
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With all due respect, you can't fight fanatics with arguments . . .
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02-28-2019, 04:40 PM
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I stand by what I said, it would be great if Trump could pull off an actual agreement with NK that meant something, but I don't think that is possible. NK does NOT want an agreement and until they do there won't be one. I am ready and willing to give Trump his props when he actually accomplishes something that I think is good for our country. A solid agreement with NK for denuclearization would be something I would cheer. .
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Kim can't afford to open up NK. If he did the people and more importantly soldiers will see where the Kim dynasties have led the country. That put's Kim and his cronies in a dangerous position and might see them put up against the wall.
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Kim will open up if he gets to keep his power, the issue is with SK and NK how to split the power |
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03-01-2019, 09:27 AM
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I said this another thread here on GFY....
The truth is Kim has zero incentive to denuclearize - none what so ever. It's the only thing keeping him in power, and the only bargaining chip he has. Kim's first and only goal is to remain in power. He cannot open up North Korea even a little bit. Could you imagine if the people of North Korea opened up and they got to see how the rest of the world lives? They would riot.
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Trump supporters buttholes are 2 way streets...
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Where's the part where he got "snookered"?
He told the fool to piss off and then left. Kimmy will be back, it's not over.
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