how will Britain stand as an independent force

[babeterminal]

how will Britain stand as an independent force,
all talk is about trade, free movement, irish que?,

WHAT ABOUT THE BRITISH ARMY?

[Ferus]

Think you should stick to the less complex thoughts, like breathing or taking a bath.

[Rochard]

Britain existed long before the EU.

God save the Queen.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by babeterminal

WHAT ABOUT THE BRITISH ARMY?

Too late... ever heard of the fairy tale: Putin and the 28 decentralized tiny shitty dwarfs?

Owh… wait… ears have not been born yet for these words...

Mankind should grow some ears!

[pimpmaster9000]

They will get fucked...the magic beans are not growing...the nhs bus says hello...bunch of dumbasses did not know what they were voting for...


Oh well...pauls meager pension is about to get even more meager...

[MFCT]

Britain only needs to focus its energy and resources into coddling as many Muslims and Africans as possible. Its racist for it to do anything else. Coddling from now until the end of time will still not be enough to pay down the racist debt that its incurred. But at least its making some semblance of an effort to right the wrongs of its long history.

[Hinc]

Theyll be fine...including the army. None of their military allies vanishes in this

[Paul Markham]

They don't need Europe for it's armed forces.

[NatalieK]

well, the SAS is the best forces in the world, silent, trained to be in and out without even knowing they´re there...

the army and navy will always be worthy & unwanted adversary to any country & nation, holding their own, the British are and will always be proud & loud


Besides, Britain´s just bought a load of new planes to go on the new warship, it´s meant to be the ship of all ships



this ready : https://www.euronews.com/2017/08/15/...for-portsmouth


this happening : https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-an...as-new-warship

this happened : https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...-carrier-32887

this happening : https://www.wired.com/story/uk-very-...t-fighter-jet/


so with the huge hms eliz holding 30 or 40 f35s and the new war ship in build, when the new tempest fighter´s released and in flight, I´d have said, Britain´s at top of the war zone tbh, especially for the size of the country. No one British men are so confident, size really doesn´t matter

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

well, the SAS is the best forces in the world, silent, trained to be in and out without even knowing they´re there...

the army and navy will always be worthy & unwanted adversary to any country & nation, holding their own, the British are and will always be proud & loud


Besides, Britain´s just bought a load of new planes to go on the new warship, it´s meant to be the ship of all ships



this ready : https://www.euronews.com/2017/08/15/...for-portsmouth


this happening : https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-an...as-new-warship

this happened : https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...-carrier-32887

this happening : https://www.wired.com/story/uk-very-...t-fighter-jet/


so with the huge hms eliz holding 30 or 40 f35s and the new war ship in build, when the new tempest fighter´s released and in flight, I´d have said, Britain´s at top of the war zone tbh, especially for the size of the country. No one British men are so confident, size really doesn´t matter

Yeah well WW2 proved that Londons Subway works absolutely fine as bunkers👍 So God bless the queen... and the London Subway!

[huey]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

They will get fucked...the magic beans are not growing...the nhs bus says hello...bunch of dumbasses did not know what they were voting for...


Oh well...pauls meager pension is about to get even more meager...

Now there will be a spot for Serbia to join and you can feel like your playing with big boys now.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Yeah well WW2 proved that Londons Subway works absolutely fine as bunkers👍 So God bless the queen... and the London Subway!

yes indeed, many went down there in the bombings

[RedFred]

They depend on the US to defend their Paul Markham ugly asses.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Besides, Britain´s just bought a load of new planes to go on the new warship, it´s meant to be the ship of all ships

This is the 'mirror' of the English Flaghship "Royal Charles" also a ship of all ships. Captured by the Dutch.
When the English Queen visited the museum they made sure she didn't see the trophy hanging.



"In 1667, flagging English national morale was further depressed by the Raid on the Medway in which a Dutch fleet invaded the Thames and Medway rivers and on 12 June captured the uncommissioned Royal Charles,[1] removing her with great skill to Hellevoetsluis in the United Provinces. The Dutch did not take her into naval service because it was considered that she drew too much water for general use on the Dutch coast. Instead the Royal Charles was permanently drydocked near Hellevoetsluis as a tourist attraction, with day trips being organised for large parties, often of foreign state guests. After vehement protests by Charles that this insulted his honour, the official visits were ended when she was auctioned for scrap in 1673.

The wooden carving showing the royal arms, originally placed on the ship's transom, was, however, preserved. After remaining at Hellevoetsluis for a while, it was brought to a naval shipbuilding yard in Rotterdam in the nineteenth century, and in 1855 was transferred to the Dutch navy's model collection. It is now on display in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam,[3] which took most of the naval collection in the 1880s.[4] "

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by RedFred

They depend on the US to defend their Paul Markham ugly asses.

True. And I've stated many times Europe should spend more on defending itself.

However we did get dragged into illegal and unnecessary wars by the US.

[Paul Markham]

The notion of any country in the 21st century standing alone is stupid. Countries now trade with each other, people visit each other and the Internet proves we are all citizens of the world.

However a country should be able to rule itself and let only it's own citizens choose it's own leaders.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

However a country should be able to rule itself and let only it's own citizens choose it's own leaders.

the USA will make SURE this does not happen its the US puppet or war...there is no 3rd option

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

True. And I've stated many times Europe should spend more on defending itself.

However we did get dragged into illegal and unnecessary wars by the US.

28 decentralized shitty tiny armies.... LOL
While the rest of the world is upscaling!

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the USA will make SURE this does not happen its the US puppet or war...there is no 3rd option

THIS is exactly it.

after a hard brexit there is not much left for the UK to survive.

china = world´s number 1 economy - nobody can live without them
USA = worlds number 3 (soon number 4) with an america first policy

the interests of this both will never be britain as the EU is a 10 times bigger market.

so all they can do is to be slaves of this 2.

america will force them into wars and china will buy all their big companies step by step.
the profits of this sales will be bunkered in the future tax oasis UK but as there is nothing to invest, this money will flow into the EU to invest it there.

as sad as the whole story is, it also has its good sides. because the beer table economists will finally feel on their own bodies how the laws of the economy work.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Dutch fleet invaded the Thames and Medway rivers and on 12 June captured the uncommissioned Royal Charles,[1] removing her with great skill to Hellevoetsluis in the United Provinces. The Dutch did not take her into naval service because it was considered that she drew too much water for general use on the Dutch coast. Instead the Royal Charles was permanently drydocked near Hellevoetsluis as a tourist attraction,

what a waste of a ship, just to keep the pieces from the theft...


so generally speaking, it wasn´t war, the dutch are just the usual thieves



Anyway, the new ships, the Elizabeth & the new war ship being built at the moment, they should both be killer and with all the planes for the skies and probably many rail guns and laser cannons on the war, I think Britain should be able to handle its own.


Besides, shall we not forget, Britain has 4 maybe 5 US bases over its ass. RAF Lakenheath, full of US air force & RAF Chicksands, just outside Shefford, a intelligence base & full of US air force....

I don´t think Britain would be alone, if Britain was invaded, the US would probably be shooting down the opponents quicker than the Brits

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

THIS is exactly it.

after a hard brexit there is not much left for the UK to survive.

china = world´s number 1 economy - nobody can live without them
USA = worlds number 3 (soon number 4) with an america first policy

the interests of this both will never be britain as the EU is a 10 times bigger market.

so all they can do is to be slaves of this 2.

america will force them into wars and china will buy all their big companies step by step.
the profits of this sales will be bunkered in the future tax oasis UK but as there is nothing to invest, this money will flow into the EU to invest it there.

as sad as the whole story is, it also has its good sides. because the beer table economists will finally feel on their own bodies how the laws of the economy work.

So why isn't the EU doing more to restrict China's growth? A massive embargo or ruling that China has to buy more from Europe or sell less would be great.

Is having the EU worth losing democratic rights, worth all the benefits?

As for economies. Nothing has harmed the economy of most British families worse than the massive influx of EU low skilled, non-skilled and unemployed labour.

[Paul Markham]

Here's the harsh truth about the EU popularity in Europe.

The steady growth of anti-EU parties within Europe.
The reluctance of other countries offering their citizens a referendum on continued membership to the EU.
The fear that anything but a disastrous Brexit will trigger other countries to demand their referendum.

And yet faced with all that the EU continues on it's course to dominate Europe. Look at the countries slotted to join. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...ummary_t able

Don't ignore Turkey, the EU still wastes money on trying to get Turkey in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access...European_Union

Even more cheap labour flooding the Western EU States. Czech doesn't have this problem and is beneficiary of Free Movement.

[babeterminal]

rally guns, laser weapons, i think someone's had to much coca cola

those saying america are our allies what about Falklands war?

could war kick off over Gibraltar ? what side would the other European countries take? what agreements of old would still stand?

there has and will always be an irish agreement, the irish/english are in every commonwealth country, currently the americans and canadians are propping up UK police force with volunteers!!!!

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by thommy

...
CHINA = world´s number 1 economy - nobody can live without them
European Union = world´s number 2 economy (soon number 3 because Brexit)
USA = worlds number 3 (soon number 2 because Brexit too) with an america bad economy policy

so all they can do is to be slaves of this 3.
...

I fix this a little))

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So why isn't the EU doing more to restrict China's growth? A massive embargo or ruling that China has to buy more from Europe or sell less would be great.

did you read that they are the BIGGEST economy?

why should we hurt our biggest customer and deliverer for cheap parts ?

have you done that when you was a producer?

Is having the EU worth losing democratic rights, worth all the benefits?

do you know what democracy means?
it is the vote from the majority. all what the EU does is decided by votes.
that include UK votes. but if they want something what the rest not wants they have to accept it - THIS is called democracy.

UK was the country in the EU that paid less than any other country per head in compare to GDP. I can not understand why this "brit bonus" was ever given as it is unfair.
but obviously not unfair enough for the brexiteers.

As for economies. Nothing has harmed the economy of most British families worse than the massive influx of EU low skilled, non-skilled and unemployed labour.

why you talk bullshit ?

Go and put in on max and see what happend to the UK GDP since the EU


Look where is your unemplyement rate today

Look at the wages growth

the only disaster that britain (and nearly all other EU countries) faced was the 2008 crisis. low interest rates have led people to get into debt and live beyond their possibilities. nobody wasted a thought that they will be burdened later. and now they are used this good but borrowed life. the same thing will happen to the americans very soon as they do this shit since centuries.

the EU can not rule other countries UNFORTUNATELY !!!

is nothing more than a cartel in which joint action is taken according to agreements. through membership in the EU, the UK had the power of 500 million consumers and benefited enormously from this.

but of course woolen and have to benefit ALL the cartel members equally. only UK wanted more and that shows us that UK is not a team player and a UK first policy in a community that ensures their prosperity.

ask around in europe if someone really wants to have the brits.

nobody can hear the whining anymore and we can't wait for the day when the brits feel what they have done to themselves.

we will watch it with popcorn in hand while the brits would be happy if they found popcorn on the supermarket shelf.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Sarn

I fix this a little))

you know the world is big and there are much more countries.

number 2 will be replaced from india within the next 5 years.

and this again means from china as they are already investing in all asia.

trump kills his own economy and tries to excuse that with the chinese trade war.
in real the imports from asia are higher than ever before. so americans trade with thailand, malaysia, india, pakistan, bangladesh and dealing with CHINESE companies there.

you guys and your knowledge about world economy is a joke.

what brits are doing is same as an army have a few strong guys.
one of them wants to fight alone - and yes this makes this army a bit weaker.
but do you really think this one guy will survive ?

if so you are just a stupid dreamer same as paul markham.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by babeterminal

rally guns, laser weapons, i think someone's had to much coca cola

those saying america are our allies what about Falklands war?

could war kick off over Gibraltar ? what side would the other European countries take? what agreements of old would still stand?

there has and will always be an irish agreement, the irish/english are in every commonwealth country, currently the americans and canadians are propping up UK police force with volunteers!!!!

you know what the sadest part is?

that we talk about possible wars and who will win it after such a long time of piece in europe.

this is the ugliest effect from all after people like trump came in power.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by thommy

you know the world is big and there are much more countries.

number 2 will be replaced from india within the next 5 years.

and this again means from china as they are already investing in all asia.

trump kills his own economy and tries to excuse that with the chinese trade war.
in real the imports from asia are higher than ever before. so americans trade with thailand, malaysia, india, pakistan, bangladesh and dealing with CHINESE companies there.

you guys and your knowledge about world economy is a joke.

what brits are doing is same as an army have a few strong guys.
one of them wants to fight alone - and yes this makes this army a bit weaker.
but do you really think this one guy will survive ?

if so you are just a stupid dreamer same as paul markham.

World big enough for Britain find trade partners, this is true. Defacto India still №4, but USA will be №2 after Brexit - it fact too. With army - USA will help UK be near №1 World power.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
Yes I think UK will survive.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by thommy

you know what the sadest part is?

that we talk about possible wars and who will win it after such a long time of piece in europe.

this is the ugliest effect from all after people like trump came in power.

[Robbie]

To the original question:
My guess is Britain will stand just the same way they did for hundreds of years before they joined the EU.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Sarn

World big enough for Britain find trade partners, this is true. Defacto India still №4, but USA will be №2 after Brexit - it fact too. With army - USA will help UK be near №1 World power.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
Yes I think UK will survive.

looooool - you should become a comedian or write fairy tales for trump

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Sarn

THIS is exactly what i meant.

people that are spreading hate are the problem and nothing else.

so you can be proud to be one of these problems.
and I'm not talking about your writing legastenie mr Briatin.

[babeterminal]

Michael says



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THSeaZfeCHg

[ianmoone332000]

This is a must read. Aint multiculturism amazing?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...taxpayers.html

[thommy]

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

This is a must read. Aint multiculturism amazing?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...taxpayers.html

what have that to do with multiculturism?

didn´t you see the names of the british helpers ?

and don´t you think that EXACTLY the same scam was made by many many europeans too ?

tell me HOW do you want to stop that?

and WHY do you think this is a problem of the mussies ?

carousel fraud is a proud invention of european and american banks.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

did you read that they are the BIGGEST economy?

why should we hurt our biggest customer and deliverer for cheap parts ?

have you done that when you was a producer?

Have you seen the trade deficit the EU has with China? Obviously not because then you wouldn't say such stupid things.

If harming your biggest customer was a problem, the EU would be eager to do a deal with the UK. But they have no problem with making sure the UK suffers to frighten other nations into not asking the people.

do you know what democracy means?
it is the vote from the majority. all what the EU does is decided by votes.
that include UK votes. but if they want something what the rest not wants they have to accept it - THIS is called democracy.

That isn't what I said. I said citizens of a country should choose who they are led by. So UK citizens get to decide 100% on who rules the UK. Same for every other EU Nation.

why you talk bullshit ?

Go and put in on max and see what happend to the UK GDP since the EU


Look where is your unemplyement rate today

Look at the wages growth

When taken as a whole your stats may be true. The problem is with the British Working Classes. They have seen their lives devastated by open door migration.

You so far have failed to give us one reason what the EU gives us that non-EU can enjoy. Something that's worth losing our individual democracies for. Start giving us good examples that only the EU have achieved.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

you know the world is big and there are much more countries.

number 2 will be replaced from india within the next 5 years.

and this again means from china as they are already investing in all asia.

trump kills his own economy and tries to excuse that with the chinese trade war.
in real the imports from asia are higher than ever before. so americans trade with thailand, malaysia, india, pakistan, bangladesh and dealing with CHINESE companies there.

you guys and your knowledge about world economy is a joke.

what brits are doing is same as an army have a few strong guys.
one of them wants to fight alone - and yes this makes this army a bit weaker.
but do you really think this one guy will survive ?

if so you are just a stupid dreamer same as paul markham.

Now you're agreeing with me. The World is a big place and ever changing. So one unit that restricts it's members from striking trade deals with other countries is not in their best interest.

Where is the Trade deal forcing China to buy more, something Trump achieved by issuing a threat to China. Where is the trade deal with India, the US, Brazil, all emerging Nations?

As for the British Army standing alone. They still do this, where is the EU Army?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Sarn

This is what the Germans believe. They will rule Europe with the French tagging along for the ride. During all the negotiations for the original re-negotiations of the deal, then the subsequent Brexit vote Merkel was the #1 spokesperson for the EU with the French at #2. Rarely discussing with other EU leaders for their views those two led the debate.

Without the UK votes the balance of power shifts even more towards States who don't contribute and take out more than they put in. The contributing States will have to contribute more to appease non-contributing States. The EU is playing a risky game with losing the UK, an even riskier game if the UK market for EU goods declines.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by thommy

looooool - you should become a comedian or write fairy tales for trump

an easy task to count, try))

1 China 25,238.56
2 European Union 21,998.475
3 United States 20,412.87
9 United Kingdom 3,028.57
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_GDP_(PPP)

AND World Economy power
Largest economies by PPP GDP in 2019.
According to International Monetary Fund estimates


World Military power
1. Russia
2. USA
3. China
4. India
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
))

Originally Posted by thommy

THIS is exactly what i meant.
people that are spreading hate are the problem and nothing else.

I know one religion of love and peace. All can join into peace and love.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is what the Germans believe. They will rule Europe with the French tagging along for the ride. During all the negotiations for the original re-negotiations of the deal, then the subsequent Brexit vote Merkel was the #1 spokesperson for the EU with the French at #2. Rarely discussing with other EU leaders for their views those two led the debate.

Without the UK votes the balance of power shifts even more towards States who don't contribute and take out more than they put in. The contributing States will have to contribute more to appease non-contributing States. The EU is playing a risky game with losing the UK, an even riskier game if the UK market for EU goods declines.

Yes all gives them so much power for economic development, but they start play empire games. Time for rebalanced power, it must work for peoples but not for ego politicians.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Have you seen the trade deficit the EU has with China? Obviously not because then you wouldn't say such stupid things.

proves again that you do not have a clue how business works.

how is the trade balance if you buy a new camera from sony and sony buys nothing from you ?

very negative right?

or how is the trade balance between the models you paid and how much did they buy from you?

so you can now either force sony or whatever other camera producer to buy from you or you do not buy a camera.

you can also force your models to buy videos from you or you will not book them.

is this what you want? not having a camera and not make biz with it?

don´t want models to produce content?

90% of all parts china delivers to europe are parts from goods we EXPORT.

if we would produce it by ourself it would be MUCH more expensive and could not compete on the market.

only idiots do a trade balance with their suppliers !!!!

in this special case the really funny part is that china buys a lot of products from the EU that INCLUDE parts we got from china.

If harming your biggest customer was a problem, the EU would be eager to do a deal with the UK. But they have no problem with making sure the UK suffers to frighten other nations into not asking the people.

you still seem to be unable to understand how world economy works.

the EU is a power because it units 500 million customers.
such a unit can not order together when each country have own standards.

That isn't what I said. I said citizens of a country should choose who they are led by. So UK citizens get to decide 100% on who rules the UK. Same for every other EU Nation.

1. they always could - they could only not make "private deals" as NO OTHER EU-country can. this is the BASE EU is build on.

2. they can now soon and it will be pure fun to watch the empire breaking in pieces.

yes it will hurt the rest of the EU too but there are still 440 million that can shoulder it.

When taken as a whole your stats may be true. The problem is with the British Working Classes. They have seen their lives devastated by open door migration.

this is the funniest part of all.
when the east extension of the EU came to sign germany wanted a 7-year transitional period until freedom of movement was granted.

and now you can guess 3 times WHO was against that and stopped this waiting periode !!!

britain was it !!!!!

so don´t blame others that they shit in your pants. the shit came from your own ass.

You so far have failed to give us one reason what the EU gives us that non-EU can enjoy. Something that's worth losing our individual democracies for. Start giving us good examples that only the EU have achieved.

before I explain it again and again - let´s watch that comedy and I will laugh and you will cry.

the next generation in britain will for sure not set you a monument.

but there will not be a way back into the EU until the last brexiteer died in his shit.

[celandina]

It is all here...predicted 30 years ago..

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

proves again that you do not have a clue how business works.

how is the trade balance if you buy a new camera from sony and sony buys nothing from you ?

very negative right?

or how is the trade balance between the models you paid and how much did they buy from you?

so you can now either force sony or whatever other camera producer to buy from you or you do not buy a camera.

you can also force your models to buy videos from you or you will not book them.

is this what you want? not having a camera and not make biz with it?

don´t want models to produce content?

90% of all parts china delivers to europe are parts from goods we EXPORT.

if we would produce it by ourself it would be MUCH more expensive and could not compete on the market.

So how did Trump get China to buy more from the US? And you believe Trump isn't that good.

90% of the parts China exports to the EU are parts we use to manufacture in the EU. Especially things like cameras that were once made in Germany. We can produce those goods here in the West. The added cost will be minimised by lower debt and a higher wage for all.

only idiots do a trade balance with their suppliers !!!!

I stopped reading here because you are fucking clueless. No one hands over their business unless there are very good reasons. And don't us me the 1% have a good reason.

Given your mental superiority, what will Europe sell to China if China continues to grow?

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by thommy

...
you still seem to be unable to understand how world economy works.
...

I will explain))

Russian joke:
Once husband and wife start thinking about how to diversify their sex life. Let's invite for our sex neighbor guy. It will be successful, fucking going one 1 hour, the second hour then another. Then the neighbor gets up and starts to leave:
- stop why you leave - they ask him
- we fucking already 4 hours, we change many sex position but I suck dick always

Originally Posted by thommy

...
the EU is a power because it units 500 million customers.
...

Poland wants to leave EU
and greate eastern EU without Islamisation
analogue with Warsaw Pact without communism
UK can help with it))

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by celandina

It is all here...predicted 30 years ago..

The EU doesn't need any help. The UK tried to get the EU to take a step back. But major EU politicians have gone on record saying nothing will stop the EU project. Not even giving Europeans a referendum.

Cameron was told not to have the UK referendum. Because he might lose. The EU is scared other countries will follow suit. The EU is slowly swinging to the Right. This isn't a great success story.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

God save the Queen.

You sure ? ?

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by celandina

It is all here...predicted 30 years ago..

And Germany wants to unite Europe. ))

[babeterminal]

captain, captain............. captain

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I said citizens of a country should choose who they are led by. So UK citizens get to decide 100% on who rules the UK. Same for every other EU Nation.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Sarn

World Military power
1.USA

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Fake News... Fixed it for you!