30% of American are Incels. Men Don't Have a Right to Sex "Incel" (involuntary celibate)

[Bosa]

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultur...edistribution/

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultur...at-are-incels/

https://www.elle.com/life-love/sex-r...tary-celibacy/

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/incel/

Men Don't Have a Right to Sex

Not everyone is going to have sex.

"When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them...that’s about wanting to control and subjugate women"

Many people are, though. A study from 2007 indicates that 99 percent of Americans will have had sex by the age of 44. Accordingly, it’s hard to say we’re experiencing a crisis of sexlessness, but, okay, that leaves one percent of the population who will not.

That’s okay. They can go on—and doubtless most of that one percent do go on—to enjoy other fun and rewarding hobbies. They can devote their energies to projects and philosophies that better themselves and those around them. This should not be hard to imagine because, while for many of us, sex is an extremely enjoyable part of life, it is just one of the many enjoyable parts of life. (It was Billy Joel who once said “a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better than bad sex”.)

Societal standards of desirability do make it easier for some people to have sex than others. Even among those who do have sex, many, male or female, can’t have it at any age or with their desired partner. That is too bad. It is certainly very distressing to want affection and have your desires be unreciprocated. But that is a disappointment many people experience, and generally take in stride without hurting strangers.

"Numerous men seem to feel that having as much sex as Hugh Hefner is an essential part of the American Dream that ought not be denied to them"

However, there seems to be some thought lately, largely among young men, that if they are denied sex, they are being denied something they are entitled to. In the Trump era, numerous men seem to feel that having as much sex as Hugh Hefner with whatever women they choose is an essential part of the American Dream that ought not be denied to them. They no longer view sex as a hobby so much as a resource that they are owed in order to function in a decent, non-violent fashion.

So let’s be clear: No one owes you sex.

No one owes you sex now. No one will owe you sex tomorrow. No one will ever owe you sex. They will not owe you sex if you are nice to them. They will not owe you sex if you threaten them. Because no one will ever owe you sex.

“But why not?” some men seem to wonder. People like Ross Douthat who has written columns in The New York Times about how sex should be “economically redistributed”. Douthat invokes “brilliant weirdo” Robin Hanson who claims:

“One might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met.”
This column is in the wake of a self-identified "incel" (involuntary celibate) killing nine people with a van in Toronto because women wouldn’t sleep with him. This is not the first time this has happened. In 2014 another incel, Eliot Rodger, killed six people because “spoiled, heartless, wicked bitches” didn’t want to date him.

On the face of it, the argument that society should be rearranged to accommodate these men is so repulsive that it should not be entertained.

When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them—well, that’s not about sex anymore. That’s about wanting to control and subjugate women.

"When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them...that’s about wanting to control and subjugate women"

That’s not lonely men. That’s a terrorist group.

Incels celebrated the recent terror attack in Toronto. They were cheering-on acid attacks on women before then. They are a group whose goal is to punish those not like them and create terror. As civilized people, we do not respond to attacks of terror by saying, “I wonder what we can do to make those terrorists happy.” No one wondered whether it would be best to really tone down some of our ideals to make ISIS happy after they attacked.

Still, Douthat remarks, “If we are concerned about the just distribution of property and money, why do we assume that the desire for some sort of sexual redistribution is inherently ridiculous?”

It’s not ridiculous. It’s terrifying. And it’s terrifying because it happens a lot. Many societies have “redistributed sex” in order to motivate angry young men. ISIS does it. Women in Congo’s south Kivu province are often taken as sex slaves. Many comfort women who were forced to serve as sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during WWII have begun telling their stories in an effort to insure their experiences will not be forgotten. One woman told her story, saying:

“When the soldiers came back from the battlefields, as many as 20 men would come to my room from early morning. That's why I had to have a hysterectomy (in my twenties). They rounded up little girls still in school. Their genitals were still underdeveloped, so they became torn and infected. There was no medicine except something to prevent sexually transmitted diseases and Mercurochrome. They got sick, their sores became septic, but there was no treatment.”
These women are still alive. This didn’t even happen a century ago. They live with the pain, physical and mental, that they had to endure because of “the redistribution of sex.” To them, I feel quite certain, this is not merely a fun thought exercise.

When Ross Douthat throws out fun modest proposals about how society should see that these men have access to sex workers (who they despise) —

People, please stop suggesting that sex workers are the solution to incels. Incels HATE sex workers, more than any other women. It’s like suggesting that we cure Nazis by having them hook up with Jews.

— Mistress hahahahahase (@mistresshahahahahase) May 3, 2018
— or sex robots (which they’re so violent with they quickly destroy) he’s saying that these violent, hateful men’s happiness matters infinitely more than, at least in the case of sex worker’s, women’s safety.

Sex involves at least two people. It is supposed to be a pleasurable experience for both of them. That means two partners who are at least making some effort to be thoughtful about each other’s needs.

Getting laid is not going to fix hateful misogynists. It’s just going to hurt women.

[Bladewire]

Trump supporters are mostly incels, common knowledge.

[CaptainHowdy]

Where are the friggin' prostitutes ? ?

[Bosa]

Actually We Don't Owe You Sex, and We Never Will

Alek Minassian, 25, was angry that he wasn't getting laid. That's why he drove a van into a crowded thoroughfare in Toronto on April 23, killing ten people. So was Elliot Rodger, 22, who expressed rage at his own virginity before killing six people and himself in Isla Vista, California in 2014. And Nikolas Cruz, 19, who posted praise of Rodger online before fatally shooting 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida earlier this year.

If you're blessedly unfamiliar with the concept of "incels" — so-called "involuntarily celibate" men who lurk in online forums like Reddit and 4chan fueling each other's violent fury at women, particularly women who decline to have sex with them — it may sound like a fringe idea, the kind of ideology that would only appeal to mouth breathers who live in their parents' basements. But it's a way of thinking that more and more men are getting drawn to or promoting — including influential men on the national stage, like New York Times op-ed writer Ross Douthat, who expressed sympathy with the incels in a viral column this week.

THE INVERSE OF THIS IDEA IS THAT WOMEN WHO DON’T HAVE SEX WITH A PARTICULAR MAN ARE DOING THAT MAN UNJUST HARM.
Central to the incel ideology is the idea that sex with another person — specifically, penetrative sex with women — isn’t a privilege for men, but a right. Incels talk about sex with "Stacys," their term for attractive women, the way that more reasonable people talk about food, water, and shelter: as a basic necessity for survival. As a thing without which a man will suffer to an unacceptable degree. And they’re not just sad about their failure to sleep with "Stacys," they're angry about it.

After all, the inverse of this idea is that women, in turn, have a duty to provide sex — and that women who don’t have sex with a particular man are doing that man unjust harm.

The idea that men are entitled to sex, and that women owe it to them, was first plucked from the incel community after the Toronto attack by Robin Hanson, an economist at George Mason University, who took to Twitter and to his personal blog to advocate for a "redistribution" of sex. A central claim of incels is that attractive men, whom they call "Chads," sleep with too many women, and that women should be taken from the Chads and given to the incels to make this more fair. "Those w/ less access to sex plausibly suffer similarly to those with low income, & might similarly hope to organize to lobby for redistribution along this axis," Hansen wrote. The rights and desires of women who would be "redistributed" in this scenario aren’t thought of much at all.

The idea that individual men might have a right to sex the way that they have a right to safety and survival was then taken up by Douthat. He wrote that the suffering of incels who can't get laid might one day be seen as a moral obligation for women.

Soon, Douthat says, "Right-thinking people will simply come to agree that [a right to sex] exists, and that it makes sense to look to some combination of changed laws, new technologies, and evolved mores to fulfill it."

By taking the incels' claims at face value, he legitimized their ideas, and forwarded the assumption that if some men can't get laid, it's not because they’re creeps or jerks, but because women have too much independence. And so, the idea that provoked Alek Minassian to carry out a deadly terrorist attack on April 23 was taken seriously in the New York Times just a week and a half later. What seemed fringe became mainstream very quickly.

WHAT THEY WANT IS A RIGHT TO RAPE ON DEMAND.
We’ve all experienced loneliness, a sense of being unlovable. But loneliness is not what’s at stake here. What incels are calling for, and what thinkers like Hanson and Douthat are at least willing to entertain, isn’t sex exactly, because sex isn't a commodity that can be traded and distributed like sweaters or loaves of bread. Sex is an activity, one that you need two willing, capable people to do. Incels don't really want that. What they want is a right to rape on demand, a right not to see women as people with rights and desires of their own, but only as objects to be fucked.

But in the real world, where women are at least nominally full citizens with control over their own sex lives, some men will inevitably go unlaid in order for women to go unraped. That’s a price we should all be willing to pay, because the disappointment of men who fail to sleep with whichever woman they choose is not as important as the safety and bodily autonomy of women.

The incels, of course, don’t see it that way. Their misogynist ideology views pleasure as a right (for men), and safety as only a privilege (for women). The logic of their call for an individual right to sex for men is that for men, pleasure — orgasmic pleasure, at that! —should be the baseline standard, and that for women, pain and violation are an acceptable baseline. This standard of living for men is simply too high, and its standard of treatment for women is far, far too low.

Women are not interchangeable, we are not commodities, and we will not be "distributed" against our will. The choice of who we have sex with will always be only our own.

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Where are the friggin' prostitutes ? ?

When Ross Douthat throws out fun modest proposals about how society should see that these men have access to sex workers (who they despise) —

"People, please stop suggesting that sex workers are the solution to incels. Incels HATE sex workers, more than any other women."

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Bosa

When Ross Douthat throws out fun modest proposals about how society should see that these men have access to sex workers (who they despise) —

"People, please stop suggesting that sex workers are the solution to incels. Incels HATE sex workers, more than any other women."

You have to start somewhere, son . . .

[crockett]

Women should donate some pussy to stop the craziness... imagine if someone had donated some pussy to Dylan Roof or Adam Lanza

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by crockett

Women should donate some pussy to stop the crazyness...

. . .

[crockett]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

. . .

It can be the next bucket challenge

[Bosa]

[bronco67]

The biggest bunch of pussies.

it's not your birthright to have sex with any female you desire. It's the birthright of a 7 foot tall Viking conqueror with a 12 inch dick.

[Bosa]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ember-him.html

Schoolgirl blamed by Elliot Rodger for hatred of women doesn't remember him

Model who gunman claims was his ''first crush" and teased him at school when she was 10 is distraught to be named in his manifesto a decade later

A model who the California gunman Elliot Rodger named as his "first crush" and vilified in his twisted manifesto as an "evil b----" is said to be distraught.

According to her relations Monette Moio met Rodger at school when she was just 10 and doesn't even remember him.

In his manifesto titled "My Twisted World" the deranged young man, who killed six people in Isla Vista, Santa Barbara, last week, claimed that Miss Moio had teased him when they were children and "wounded me deeply".

But her father John Moio, a veteran Hollywood stuntman, said she was now living in fear after her name became public.

He told the New York Daily News: "The whole thing is so creepy. It's scary even though he's gone. She doesn't even remember this guy. She's always been the most delicate kid you'd ever want to meet. For him to call her a bully, this kid was really disillusioned.

"She was 10 years old. It was just an illusion this kid built in his own mind. She hadn't seen him since seventh grade."

Miss Moio works at a gym. A friend there said: "I can't imagine anyone wanting to hurt her. She's so nice."

In the manifesto, which was the product of a warped mind, Rodger wrote: "She must have thought I was an ultimate loser. I hated her so much, and I will never forget her. I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering.

"The world that I grew up thinking was bright and blissful was all over. That is why I immersed myself entirely into my online games like World of Warcraft. I felt safe there."

Rodger, the son of an assistant director on the Hunger Games films, was also jealous of the girl's brother who became an actor. He wrote: "I didn't want him to find out how pathetic my life was."

The manifesto also mentioned another girl who Rodger described as his "first friend" when his family moved to America from the UK when he was five. She grew up to be an extremely attractive and "popular" young blonde woman.

Rodger wrote. "She was a typical pretty girl who had lots of pretty friends. She was one of them, one of the popular kids. She would eventually come to represent everything I hate."

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It's the birthright of a 7 foot tall Viking conqueror with a 12 inch dick.

You mean the trannies?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You mean the trannies?

You have to ask Duke about that....

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bosa

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ember-him.html

Schoolgirl blamed by Elliot Rodger for hatred of women doesn't remember him

Model who gunman claims was his ''first crush" and teased him at school when she was 10 is distraught to be named in his manifesto a decade later

A model who the California gunman Elliot Rodger named as his "first crush" and vilified in his twisted manifesto as an "evil b----" is said to be distraught.

According to her relations Monette Moio met Rodger at school when she was just 10 and doesn't even remember him.

In his manifesto titled "My Twisted World" the deranged young man, who killed six people in Isla Vista, Santa Barbara, last week, claimed that Miss Moio had teased him when they were children and "wounded me deeply".

But her father John Moio, a veteran Hollywood stuntman, said she was now living in fear after her name became public.

He told the New York Daily News: "The whole thing is so creepy. It's scary even though he's gone. She doesn't even remember this guy. She's always been the most delicate kid you'd ever want to meet. For him to call her a bully, this kid was really disillusioned.

"She was 10 years old. It was just an illusion this kid built in his own mind. She hadn't seen him since seventh grade."

Miss Moio works at a gym. A friend there said: "I can't imagine anyone wanting to hurt her. She's so nice."

In the manifesto, which was the product of a warped mind, Rodger wrote: "She must have thought I was an ultimate loser. I hated her so much, and I will never forget her. I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering.

"The world that I grew up thinking was bright and blissful was all over. That is why I immersed myself entirely into my online games like World of Warcraft. I felt safe there."

Rodger, the son of an assistant director on the Hunger Games films, was also jealous of the girl's brother who became an actor. He wrote: "I didn't want him to find out how pathetic my life was."

The manifesto also mentioned another girl who Rodger described as his "first friend" when his family moved to America from the UK when he was five. She grew up to be an extremely attractive and "popular" young blonde woman.

Rodger wrote. "She was a typical pretty girl who had lots of pretty friends. She was one of them, one of the popular kids. She would eventually come to represent everything I hate."

Imagine if some pretty girl had donated him some pussy.. might have changed the future..

[MaDalton]

the question is why they all come to GFY...

[Bosa]

If Progressive Women Won’t Date Me, I’ll Become A Misogynistic Trump Voter

https://medium.com/@BenjaminPulver/i...r-c212a26c2ef5

I feel obligated, once again, as a straight white man to set my fellow straight white men…well…straight. Here we go again, the argument continues that it’s women’s fault that Trump is in office, because, now get this, they refuse to date conservatives. No, I’m not hyperbolizing, that is literally the title of a recent piece published by The Federalist: “Your Refusal To Date Conservatives Is One Reason We Have Donald Trump”. All of these articles might as well just be called “Women Find Me Undateable, So I Guess I’m Just A Nazi Now”.

The most recent take highlights OkCupid’s new feature, a Planned Parenthood badge that male or female users can add to their profile. The author, Jerrod Laber, argues that using politics as a qualifier amounts to “…progressives who can’t risk interacting with someone with whom they disagree…”. Setting aside the flip side of this argument — that conservatives would also use the PP badge as a disqualifier for potential dates — it’s just a ridiculous, argument, not to mention a manipulative, abusive, and threatening one.

And it’s not an outlier; this rationale is part of a general theme from conservative male writers. Conservative online content is full of men who rationalize their hatred of women and their opposition to women’s rights with some sob story about how women won’t give them the time of day. They can’t get a date, despite being “the nicest guys”, so it must be those frigid women’s fault. (Oh by the way, the latest Twitter insult from the angry bros on the left and the right is this oxymoron: “frigid whores”. It’s fun how undateable men from across the political spectrum can come together and use the same stupid term to degrade women. There’s hope for bipartisanship yet!) The theme of lonely men finding solace in conservative political ideology is so common they even have a name for themselves: incels.

“Incel” is a term coined on alt-right and men’s rights circles. It’s a self-identifying label that is an abbreviation for “involuntarily celibate”. Basically an incel is a man who would like to have a sexual life, but nobody wants him. They call women “femoids” because women are just cold, unfeeling robots. Why else wouldn’t these entitled men get a little attention? And rather than cast his criticisms inward to discover what makes him so off-putting, this kind of untouchable dude projects his problems and his feelings on everyone else. Most of these bros put on a show of not understanding why women find them so repulsive. There are whole forums where men rant and whine about how women won’t date them so they’re going to just be mean to them.

Darker though, at their worst, online incel forums encourage, excuse, and fantasize about rape and other violence. Publicly, you get a rare figure like Roosh Valizadeh who openly advocate for legalizing rape. Valizadeh follows that trend of popularizing his violent anti-woman views with right wing political branding. It’s no coincidence that people like Valizadeh or Mike Cernovich, who considers rape “liberal fiction”, celebrate Trump’s election as a win for predatory men.

Most of the examples are not major, public spectacles. More often, the arguments fester anonymously online. When these men’s rights talking points come out into the light, they’ve been softened a bit and come off as sort of subtle threats, rather than direct violent fantasies. Take the Federalist piece or others like it, claiming that if only women would pitty date these men, the men wouldn’t feel so isolated and have such bad bad very bad feelings and wouldn’t adopt alt-right ideologies. But they still lead to very public and open displays. Look at the fragile, angry, lonely white dudes who showed up at the Nazi rally in Charlottesville. Nearly every one of them has some story about feeling rejected and latching onto a hate group, their shared community for damaged souls. Seriously, their argument is: women find me objectionable so I might as well just join the Klan or become a neo-Nazi, get myself a Richard Spencer haircut and reject all of them. Their whole public tantrum amounts to “You can’t reject me, because I reject you. And it’s not my fault my life sucks. Women are to blame for my misfortune, and black people, and Jews, and foreigners, and basically anyone I can cast the blame onto. I’m awesome. I’m a ‘nice guy’.”

When it comes to actually publishing in some place like the Federalist or New York Times, the argument has a little less fire, but the threat is still there, if only slightly veiled. The threat is: if you don’t date me, I’m going to make your life miserable, even if indirectly through electoral politics. It’s just as manipulative and abusive. These articles put the burden onto women to “do the right thing”, to offer up their bodies to conservative men or else. In the case of Laber’s complaint about OkCupid, it’s not even enough that a woman shouldn’t have bodily autonomy and shouldn’t support organizations that offer a range of reproductive care including abortions should she need one. He takes it a step further, she shouldn’t even consider whether a potential partner values her autonomy. In his view, she should have so little autonomy or self-respect that she be willing to date any man, even a man who believes she isn’t a fully functioning adult. She practically has an obligation to date conservative men, to give them a chance, to hear them out, to nurture them, to pitty them, and -ulitmately — to have sex with them. And if she’s not willing to subject herself to sleeping with conservative creeps, well then they’re going to have to vote for Trump, who publicly boasts about his long history of predatory sexual assaults. That’s what you get, women. That’s what these men feel you deserve.

I’m not even factoring in voter disenfranchisement - minorities who tried to vote but were prevented. Just looking at the people who actually did vote, women and people of color did their part to oppose Trump. White guys, Trump is on us. Trump was able to activate white male voters who don’t usually even participate, a segment nobody thought could be expanded beyond previous years’ results. He capitalized on a white male anxiety. All those folks who couldn’t stand a black president. All those men who couldn’t get a date and saw Hillary’s face and projected their years of bitterness on it, and called her a bitch and a whore. A woman on the ticket lit a fire under their butts and got them to the polling booth. A predatory old white man, that just sealed the deal. They knew who spoke for them.

And part of the reason white women may have voted for Trump is the very messaging we’re talking about here: the implied “or else” in the veiled threats of these articles, the accusations of “voting with your vaginas”, the decades long sexist smears against Hillary Clinton, the overt and covert misogyny from the right and the left during the primary and general election cycle, online and real life threats made against women who voiced their support for Hillary Clinton. There was a very real risk for women who put themselves out there as Clinton supporters, and a history of manipulative and abusive language used to control women’s actions.

It is a clear continuation of rape culture. You don’t want to sleep with conservatives? Fine, they’ll elect a sexual predator who, like them, doesn’t care what you want. They’ll get Betsy DeVos to protect the rapists. They’ll actively work to take away your rights like equal pay, to punishing women for exercising their reproductive choice, to blocking the reporting and enforcing existing laws for sexual assault. They will make your life harder in any way they can because that’s what they think you deserve for rejecting their advances.

So men, we need to talk. Bro to bro. Dude to dude. None of this is okay. Notably, the very programs that Trump and DeVos are trying to dismantle and defund fall under Joe Biden’s banner of “It’s On Us.” Whoever you put in office, it’s still on us. It is on us to be better men. It is not women’s fault you’re such a creep. And you don’t get to punish them directly through violence, or indirectly through your votes, because they won’t date you. If women are repulsed by you, maybe you need to do some introspection before you have your little testosterone tantrum. Maybe you’re not the “nice guy” you like to think of yourself as.

You can be a nice guy. Just stop saying you’re a nice guy and actually behave like one. Talk like one. Listen like one. Value women as your equals, and you might start seeming a little more attractive to them. Stop lashing out when you don’t get what you want. I’m telling you, it is not an attractive trait. Women are not into that. Women don’t owe you their bodies, they don’t owe you their attention, they don’t owe you their vote. Society has taught you, as a man, to feel a sense of entitlement. It is not real. You are not entitled to anything. Specifically, you are not entitled to sex. This is just me, giving you a little advice, man to man. It’s on us. It’s up to us men. This is a distinctly male problem that we, as men, need to talk about to solve. So, my bro tip: stop being an asshole. Besides, it’s kind of an empty threat isn’t it? If your ultimatum is for women to date you otherwise you’ll hate them and objectify them, you’ve already shown yourself as someone who hates and objectifies women. Don’t be that guy. Do better please.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by StefanG

the question is why they all come to GFY...

We just get the strays.. I think their mecca is 4chan or perhaps chatrooms of some sort..

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Bosa

Watching anything that features Tucker Carlson is like slowing down at the scene of an accident.

You know it's bad...you know it's probably tragic...but you just have to stop and see how fucked up it actually is.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Watching anything that features Tucker Carlson is like slowing down at the scene of an accident.

You know it's bad...you know it's probably tragic...but you just have to stop and see how fucked up it actually is.

Of course Tucker Carlson sympathizes with men who feel oppressed. What a fucking turd he is.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Bosa

If Progressive Women Won’t Date Me, I’ll Become A Misogynistic Trump Voter

https://medium.com/@BenjaminPulver/i...r-c212a26c2ef5

I feel obligated, once again, as a straight white man to set my fellow straight white men…well…straight. Here we go again, the argument continues that it’s women’s fault that Trump is in office, because, now get this, they refuse to date conservatives. No, I’m not hyperbolizing, that is literally the title of a recent piece published by The Federalist: “Your Refusal To Date Conservatives Is One Reason We Have Donald Trump”. All of these articles might as well just be called “Women Find Me Undateable, So I Guess I’m Just A Nazi Now”.

The most recent take highlights OkCupid’s new feature, a Planned Parenthood badge that male or female users can add to their profile. The author, Jerrod Laber, argues that using politics as a qualifier amounts to “…progressives who can’t risk interacting with someone with whom they disagree…”. Setting aside the flip side of this argument — that conservatives would also use the PP badge as a disqualifier for potential dates — it’s just a ridiculous, argument, not to mention a manipulative, abusive, and threatening one.

And it’s not an outlier; this rationale is part of a general theme from conservative male writers. Conservative online content is full of men who rationalize their hatred of women and their opposition to women’s rights with some sob story about how women won’t give them the time of day. They can’t get a date, despite being “the nicest guys”, so it must be those frigid women’s fault. (Oh by the way, the latest Twitter insult from the angry bros on the left and the right is this oxymoron: “frigid whores”. It’s fun how undateable men from across the political spectrum can come together and use the same stupid term to degrade women. There’s hope for bipartisanship yet!) The theme of lonely men finding solace in conservative political ideology is so common they even have a name for themselves: incels.

“Incel” is a term coined on alt-right and men’s rights circles. It’s a self-identifying label that is an abbreviation for “involuntarily celibate”. Basically an incel is a man who would like to have a sexual life, but nobody wants him. They call women “femoids” because women are just cold, unfeeling robots. Why else wouldn’t these entitled men get a little attention? And rather than cast his criticisms inward to discover what makes him so off-putting, this kind of untouchable dude projects his problems and his feelings on everyone else. Most of these bros put on a show of not understanding why women find them so repulsive. There are whole forums where men rant and whine about how women won’t date them so they’re going to just be mean to them.

Darker though, at their worst, online incel forums encourage, excuse, and fantasize about rape and other violence. Publicly, you get a rare figure like Roosh Valizadeh who openly advocate for legalizing rape. Valizadeh follows that trend of popularizing his violent anti-woman views with right wing political branding. It’s no coincidence that people like Valizadeh or Mike Cernovich, who considers rape “liberal fiction”, celebrate Trump’s election as a win for predatory men.

Most of the examples are not major, public spectacles. More often, the arguments fester anonymously online. When these men’s rights talking points come out into the light, they’ve been softened a bit and come off as sort of subtle threats, rather than direct violent fantasies. Take the Federalist piece or others like it, claiming that if only women would pitty date these men, the men wouldn’t feel so isolated and have such bad bad very bad feelings and wouldn’t adopt alt-right ideologies. But they still lead to very public and open displays. Look at the fragile, angry, lonely white dudes who showed up at the Nazi rally in Charlottesville. Nearly every one of them has some story about feeling rejected and latching onto a hate group, their shared community for damaged souls. Seriously, their argument is: women find me objectionable so I might as well just join the Klan or become a neo-Nazi, get myself a Richard Spencer haircut and reject all of them. Their whole public tantrum amounts to “You can’t reject me, because I reject you. And it’s not my fault my life sucks. Women are to blame for my misfortune, and black people, and Jews, and foreigners, and basically anyone I can cast the blame onto. I’m awesome. I’m a ‘nice guy’.”

When it comes to actually publishing in some place like the Federalist or New York Times, the argument has a little less fire, but the threat is still there, if only slightly veiled. The threat is: if you don’t date me, I’m going to make your life miserable, even if indirectly through electoral politics. It’s just as manipulative and abusive. These articles put the burden onto women to “do the right thing”, to offer up their bodies to conservative men or else. In the case of Laber’s complaint about OkCupid, it’s not even enough that a woman shouldn’t have bodily autonomy and shouldn’t support organizations that offer a range of reproductive care including abortions should she need one. He takes it a step further, she shouldn’t even consider whether a potential partner values her autonomy. In his view, she should have so little autonomy or self-respect that she be willing to date any man, even a man who believes she isn’t a fully functioning adult. She practically has an obligation to date conservative men, to give them a chance, to hear them out, to nurture them, to pitty them, and -ulitmately — to have sex with them. And if she’s not willing to subject herself to sleeping with conservative creeps, well then they’re going to have to vote for Trump, who publicly boasts about his long history of predatory sexual assaults. That’s what you get, women. That’s what these men feel you deserve.

I’m not even factoring in voter disenfranchisement - minorities who tried to vote but were prevented. Just looking at the people who actually did vote, women and people of color did their part to oppose Trump. White guys, Trump is on us. Trump was able to activate white male voters who don’t usually even participate, a segment nobody thought could be expanded beyond previous years’ results. He capitalized on a white male anxiety. All those folks who couldn’t stand a black president. All those men who couldn’t get a date and saw Hillary’s face and projected their years of bitterness on it, and called her a bitch and a whore. A woman on the ticket lit a fire under their butts and got them to the polling booth. A predatory old white man, that just sealed the deal. They knew who spoke for them.

And part of the reason white women may have voted for Trump is the very messaging we’re talking about here: the implied “or else” in the veiled threats of these articles, the accusations of “voting with your vaginas”, the decades long sexist smears against Hillary Clinton, the overt and covert misogyny from the right and the left during the primary and general election cycle, online and real life threats made against women who voiced their support for Hillary Clinton. There was a very real risk for women who put themselves out there as Clinton supporters, and a history of manipulative and abusive language used to control women’s actions.

It is a clear continuation of rape culture. You don’t want to sleep with conservatives? Fine, they’ll elect a sexual predator who, like them, doesn’t care what you want. They’ll get Betsy DeVos to protect the rapists. They’ll actively work to take away your rights like equal pay, to punishing women for exercising their reproductive choice, to blocking the reporting and enforcing existing laws for sexual assault. They will make your life harder in any way they can because that’s what they think you deserve for rejecting their advances.

So men, we need to talk. Bro to bro. Dude to dude. None of this is okay. Notably, the very programs that Trump and DeVos are trying to dismantle and defund fall under Joe Biden’s banner of “It’s On Us.” Whoever you put in office, it’s still on us. It is on us to be better men. It is not women’s fault you’re such a creep. And you don’t get to punish them directly through violence, or indirectly through your votes, because they won’t date you. If women are repulsed by you, maybe you need to do some introspection before you have your little testosterone tantrum. Maybe you’re not the “nice guy” you like to think of yourself as.

You can be a nice guy. Just stop saying you’re a nice guy and actually behave like one. Talk like one. Listen like one. Value women as your equals, and you might start seeming a little more attractive to them. Stop lashing out when you don’t get what you want. I’m telling you, it is not an attractive trait. Women are not into that. Women don’t owe you their bodies, they don’t owe you their attention, they don’t owe you their vote. Society has taught you, as a man, to feel a sense of entitlement. It is not real. You are not entitled to anything. Specifically, you are not entitled to sex. This is just me, giving you a little advice, man to man. It’s on us. It’s up to us men. This is a distinctly male problem that we, as men, need to talk about to solve. So, my bro tip: stop being an asshole. Besides, it’s kind of an empty threat isn’t it? If your ultimatum is for women to date you otherwise you’ll hate them and objectify them, you’ve already shown yourself as someone who hates and objectifies women. Don’t be that guy. Do better please.

100% spot on

[CaptainHowdy]

[crockett]

you know... as usual the righties miss the obvious.. They have a cirlejerk of virgins all complaining they can't have sex.. They can have all the sex they want with each other...

They can pretend they are in jail so it's not gay..

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by StefanG

100% spot on

That's who wrote it ^^

The male "feminist."

[crockett]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

That's who wrote it ^^

The male "feminist."

If you say "nohomo" It's not gay onehunglo so maybe he would date you...

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crockett

If you say "nohomo" It's not gay onehunglo so maybe he would date you...

Speaking of incels, how much pussy do you get living in your van? My guess: zero 😂

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Bosa

https://medium.com/@BenjaminPulver/i...r-c212a26c2ef5

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

The lenght of the text kinda gave that away . . .

[Bosa]

Racism,Hate groups,Supremacist,Violence,Self-pity, A sense of entitlement,Radicalizing.

Incels are members of an online subculture[1][2] who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as inceldom.[3] Self-identified incels are largely white and are almost exclusively male heterosexuals.[4][5][6][7][8][9] The term is a portmanteau of "involuntary celibates".[1]

Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misanthropy,[1] self-pity,[10] self-loathing,[11] misogyny,[12] racism,[12] a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people.[8][9][13][14][12] The American nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center described the subculture as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem" that is included in their list of hate groups.[15][16]

At least four mass murders, resulting in 45 deaths, have been committed in North America by men who have either self-identified as incels or who had mentioned incel-related names and writings in their private writings or Internet postings. Incel communities have been criticized by the media and researchers for being misogynistic, encouraging violence, spreading extremist views, and radicalizing their members.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Bosa

Men Don't Have a Right to Sex

Not everyone is going to have sex.

Every man has the right to fuck as many women as he can and as much as he can!

The problem is that 97% of the men that can't get laid are fucking losers.
Absolutely NO HOT LOOKING BROAD wants :

• A weak man
• Sensitive man
• A feminist male
• An intellectual man
• A bisexual man
• An effeminate man
• A man that other women don't want

Broads that are into those kinds of men are either fat... domineering... fag hags... ugly... stuck up... Or feminists. **Or all of that wrapped up in one mentally deranged cunt**

What hot looking broads want is what they've always wanted:
Strong Alpha Males.

Women want:

• Men that can kick ass
• Men that make a ton of money
• Men that can fuck like machines
• Men with a THICK cock and staying power
• Men that can work with their hands
• Men that work out daily!
• Men that are nice to them but total assholes to everyone else.

What

Originally Posted by Bosa

Getting laid is not going to fix hateful misogynists.

Sure it does! What every woman needs is to put on a skirt... haul her ass back to the kitchen... Crank out some babies to keep her busy while her husband is at work bringing home a paycheck.
Plus the man gets to fuck as many hookers and sluts as he wants if his wife doesn't want to do the things he needs in bed.

All this feminist crap started up in the 60s and then the world went to shit.

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Sure it does! What every woman needs is to put on a skirt... haul her ass back to the kitchen... Crank out some babies to keep her busy while her husband is at work bringing home a paycheck.
Plus the man gets to fuck as many hookers and sluts as he wants if his wife doesn't want to do the things he needs in bed.

All this feminist crap started up in the 60s and then the world went to shit.

Ok, Grandpa!! It's 2019 Women/Girls can FUCK who ever they want and it's not people that have views like this for sure.
Women can earn their own money, choose not to getting married, Have children without a man.
The horse has left the barn.
Women eyes are open and they want that piece of the the pie. Fair wages. Control of their bodies and future. No mansplaining at work and you old farts not touching them without consent. (Really?) Gross

Single women choosing 'freedom, independence' over relationships with men

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...e-life/8993692

11 Women Share Why They Don’t Want To Get Married

https://www.bustle.com/p/11-women-sh...arried-9230430

Women Are Getting Married Less And Less — And The Reason Why Might Shock You
https://www.bolde.com/women-getting-...n-might-shock/

Does Marriage Even Make Sense Anymore?
https://medium.com/personal-growth/d...e-70e10f4d8c18

1. THERE JUST AREN’T AS MANY WORTHWHILE GUYS ANYMORE.
As Kate Bolick writes in her piece, “All the Single Ladies,” simply, the caliber of men has declined greatly. Between increased joblessness and lack of prospects out there for men, there are far more deadbeats than guys worth giving a shot. In other words, “marriageable” men are few and far between.

2. WOMEN ARE THE COMPLETE PACKAGE ON THEIR OWN.
Research from 2010 found that, for the first time in US history, more women than men are in the workforce, holding the majority of the jobs in the country. While there’s still that disgusting gender wage gap, we WILL get that taken care of sooner than later. Not only are there more women than men working, but women are surpassing men in education, too. For every two men who walks away from school with a bachelor’s degree, three women will do the same. We’re basically everything but the kitchen sink — and on extra good days, maybe the kitchen sink too.

3. MARRIAGE IS OUTDATED AND WOMEN KNOW THAT.
For thousands of years, marriage existed solely for economical and political reasons and was an institution that was often set up by families. It wasn’t about love; it was about marrying the woman who came from richest family or the man who had the fattest turkeys in town. It was, for the sake of argument, a necessity. However, that’s no longer the case — so much so that 44 percent of Millennials and 43 percent of Gen-Xers believe marriage is becoming obsolete, according to the Pew Research Center.

4. MANY MEN CONTINUE TO BE THREATENED BY STRONG AND SUCCESSFUL WOMEN.
Masculinity is fragile. Most men don’t like it when they feel their masculinity is threatened in any way. Because of this, as we’ve evolved and shot up into the dark night like the fireworks we are, we’ve alienated men — not because of anything we’ve done in particular, but because they can’t handle being with a woman who makes him feel inferior. It’s hard to get married when so many men cower at even the idea of a self-sufficient woman, let alone the reality of one.

5. THE HOOKUP CULTURE IS ALIVE AND WELL.
While the 1990s saw what was referred to as the “hookup culture,” we’re now living in the “Dating Apocalypse,” according to writer Nancy Jo Sales. Dating apps like Tinder have created a culture where hooking up and casual relationships have replaced serious commitment, and because this tends to work for a lot of people, marriage is taking a back seat.

6. THE IDEA OF “MARRYING UP” IS GONE.
When women were denied the right to be educated and to have careers, the concept of “marrying up” in order to “improve their lot,” as Bolick writes, was just what women did. It was keeping in line with what was socially acceptable without rocking the boat. But if you’re more educated, more successful, and the pool of men to choose from is on par with a wasteland of deteriorated good-for-nothings, why bother?

7. WOMEN HAVE RISEN AND CONTINUE TO RISE.
Another amazing point that Bolick makes is that while women were fighting — and we still are, make no mistake — for equality and the right to have a career and live their life on their own terms, men were falling behind. Men, especially white men, had nothing to fight for and because of this, they fell behind and were surpassed by women in many ways. This trend is likely to continue, making marriage even less likely in the decades that follow.

8. MARRIAGE ISN’T NECESSARY FOR WOMEN TO BE MOTHERS.
First of all, 40 percent of babies are born to single moms, and there’s a very good chance that percentage will rise as the stigma of being a single mother becomes less and less. There’s also the fact that, thanks to technology, you don’t even need a man if you want to have a baby. All you need is a trip to the sperm bank. That’s a great option for women who don’t want the relationship part of motherhood.

9. MEN HAVE LOST WHAT LITTLE VALUE THEY HAD.
As Bolick writes, when there’s an imbalance in the gender ratio, the gender with the smaller amount automatically has a higher value, which makes that gender want to work even harder to make themselves a hot commodity. But here in the U.S. where that current ratio is 50.8 percent females and 49.2 percent males, that healthy balance in the population only exacerbates a man’s disinterest in making himself better. Therefore, women, not impressed with what’s out there, continue to excel on their own, turning even further from the idea of marriage.

10. WOMEN HAVE ESSENTIALLY BECOME THE MEN THEY WANTED TO MARRY.
As Gloria Steinem so accurately put it, “We are becoming the men we wanted to marry,” and she’s right. We are no longer the “fairer” gender, but a badass gender that’s a perfect self-sustaining entity that can take care of itself on every level. There’s no need to marry when everything you need you can give yourself — and on a silver platter, to boot.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

The problem is that 97% of the men that can't get laid are fucking losers.
Absolutely NO HOT LOOKING BROAD wants :

• A weak man
• Sensitive man
• A feminist male
• An intellectual man
• A bisexual man
• An effeminate man
• A man that other women don't want

Ok ok enough of your pitty party bitch we get it you can't get laid who fucking cares you can't even get hard now you're in your seventies.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Bosa

Ok, Grandpa!! It's 2019 Women/Girls can FUCK who ever they want and it's not people that have views like this for sure.
Women can earn their own money, choose not to getting married, Have children without a man.
The horse has left the barn.
Women eyes are open and they want that piece of the the pie. Fair wages. Control of their bodies and future. No mansplaining at work and you old farts touching them without consent. (Really?) Gross

Single women choosing 'freedom, independence' over relationships with men

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...e-life/8993692

11 Women Share Why They Don’t Want To Get Married

https://www.bustle.com/p/11-women-sh...arried-9230430

Women Are Getting Married Less And Less — And The Reason Why Might Shock You
https://www.bolde.com/women-getting-...n-might-shock/

Does Marriage Even Make Sense Anymore?
https://medium.com/personal-growth/d...e-70e10f4d8c18

You can learn something from this gentleman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34sLRJoAWiw

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[OneHungLo]

Seriously, Bosa is a male feminist

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

You can learn something from this gentleman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34sLRJoAWiw

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I have already seen his videos.
I have very big balls thank you very much. I am the Alpha. I am the creator of wealth. Girls come to me. I am not threatened by smart girls. I prefer them.

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Seriously, Bosa is a male feminist

Not at all. I'm just not threatened by them like you are. I support women's right. No problem if you are an Alpha and make your own money. Why do you care so much that women want to improve themselves. Strange.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Seriously, Bosa is a male feminist

For the men, the problem is there's no draft and there's no war. - It's a form of Darwinism.

For the women, they're happiest when they're in the home and barefoot and pregnant.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Bosa

I have already seen his videos.
I have very big balls thank you very much. I am the Alpha. I am the creator of wealth. Girls come to me. I am not threatened by smart girls. I prefer them.

If you're an Alpha then start acting like one.

And I've been around smart women all my life. Stupid broads are a pain in the ass that always come with problems.

Every smart woman I've ever known (and know) holds the same opinion as Margret Thatcher and that's feminism is poison. S

Smart women want to be in the kitchen and to have a family. They don't want to end up some lonely hag with nothing but a pathetic career to point to at their funerals.

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

For the men, the problem is there's no draft and there's no war. - It's a form of Darwinism.

For the women, they're happiest when they're in the home and barefoot and pregnant.

Send them to war and when they come back Nothing!!!!
Vets shouldn't be dying in a VA parking lot
A national emergency': suicide rate spikes among young US veterans

Suicide rates have jumped substantially among young military veterans, according to new data from the US Department of Veterans Affairs.

Veterans aged 18 to 34 have higher rates of suicide than any other age group, the VA says in its National Suicide Data Report. The rate for those young veterans increased to 45 suicide deaths per 100,000 population in 2016, up from 40.4 in 2015, even as the overall veteran suicide rate decreased slightly, according to a copy of the report reviewed by the Guardian.

Many vets in that age group served in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This isn’t just alarming. It’s a national emergency that requires immediate action. We’ve spent the last decade trying to improve the transitioning process for our veterans, but we’re clearly failing, and people are dying,” said Joe Chenelly, the executive director of the national veterans group Amvets.

More than 6,000 veterans have killed themselves each year since 2008, according to the VA data. Veteran suicide rates increased 25.9% between 2005 and 2016, as suicide rates in the overall US population also increased. But between 2015 and 2016, the rate for veterans decreased slightly, from 30.5 per 100,000 population to 30.1.

The suicide rate was 1.5 times greater for veterans than for adults who never served in the military, even after adjusting for age and gender.

The gap was even greater for female veterans: after adjusting for age, their suicide rate was 1.8 times greater than the rate for non-veteran women in
“The US Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is committed to veteran suicide prevention,” the VA says in its report. “To prevent veteran suicide, we must help reduce veterans’ risk for suicide before they reach a crisis point and support those veterans who are in crisis. This requires the expansion of treatment and prevention services and a continued focus on innovative crisis intervention services.”

Veterans younger than 35 were the only age group whose suicide rate increased from 2015 to 2016, according to the report.

“The new data tells us that too many younger veterans – specifically those of the post-9/11 era – were slipping through the cracks despite all the efforts to address mental healthcare access and barriers to seamless transition after service,” Chenelly said.

Veterans were also more likely than other Americans to kill themselves using a gun. In 2016, 70% of veteran suicides were by firearm, compared with 48% of non-veterans.

In total, 6,079 veterans killed themselves in 2016, down from 6,281 in 2015.

Lana McKenzie, the chief medical executive at Amvets, said the group’s work with veterans struggling with mental health issues shows they “train to be resilient, they train to not ask for help”.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Bosa

People, please stop suggesting that sex workers are the solution to incels. Incels HATE sex workers, more than any other women

preach

men like this are why in-person sex work is so high risk. even though the dudes ostensibly get what they want with paid sex, they still resent that women who do that work can choose whom to fuck and when and on their own terms. what they want is control and it sometimes leads to some really scary shit

these men have been around since the dawn of our species probably. I feel lucky to have in my life encountered so very few. almost all the men I know are awesome. some get laid more than others (in a relationship or single) but that doesn't make any of them mean, bitter or violent

I think that in the social media/internet age these dudes have connected with allies in their own private mutually-reinforcing misery, commiserating and getting angry with each other and forming an identity based on that, serving only to intensify their isolation and anger...

when they could be working out to look good and boost their mood, maybe getting outside/offline to experience life and developing their personalities to become someone fun, hot and interesting to be around. crazy concept

I dunno, it's easy to mock them being female. I know it's harder sometimes to get laid being a straight male. all I have to do is brush my teeth and go outside. I wouldn't drive a car into a crowd of strangers if someone I wanted ever turned me down though. I don't have the right to another person's body and that mentality is the salient difference

what they don't want is actually sex, or rather sex as probably most of us see it; an experience shared between equals

they want to control women, and they can't

these men need support and therapy, not social media to feed their own twisted hate

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

If you're an Alpha then start acting like one.

And I've been around smart women all my life. Stupid broads are a pain in the ass that always come with problems.

Every smart woman I've ever known (and know) holds the same opinion as Margret Thatcher and that's feminism is poison. S

Smart women want to be in the kitchen and to have a family. They don't want to end up some lonely hag with nothing but a pathetic career to point to at their funerals.

I understand what you're saying but times have changed. Many Western Women don't want this leave to beaver lifestyle. The want careers just like the men. This is why the birth rates in the Western World are declining. Is it fair to try force women back in the kitchen. No. And it wouldn't happen. Maybe governments could make it easier for women to have it all. Like they say.
Paid maternity leave, subsidized day care, flexible work schedules, affordable health care and, Tax breaks. etc.. Until then women will choose what's best for them.

Should we care that smart women aren't having kids?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ot-having-kids

Not All Women Want To Be Mothers: The Stigma That Surrounds Choosing Not To Have Children

https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/why-...aving-children

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bosa

Not at all. I'm just not threatened by them like you are. I support women's right. No problem if you are an Alpha and make your own money. Why do you care so much that women want to improve themselves. Strange.

I already told you before I'm pro-choice. Where do you get i'm threatened by women?

[dillfly2000]

Seems a lot of these incels are a bit on the spectrum. Possibly Aspergers syndrome or high functioning autism.

[Bosa]

Originally Posted by dillfly2000

Seems a lot of these incels are a bit on the spectrum. Possibly Aspergers syndrome or high functioning autism.

Exactly! These guys need medical help.

"Involuntary celibacy" is not a medical or psychological condition. Some people who identify as incel suffer from physical disabilities or psychological disorders such as depression, autism spectrum disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder.[52] Some visitors of incel forums attribute their inability to find a partner to physical or mental ailments, while some others attribute it to extreme introversion. Many incels engage in self-diagnosis of mental health issues,[51] and members of incel communities often discourage posters who post about mental illness from seeing therapists or otherwise seeking treatment.[31][97] Some incels with severe depression are also suicidal,[26] and some members of incel communities encourage suicidal members to commit suicide, sometimes recommending they commit acts of mass violence before doing so.[31][34][81]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

Psychologist and sex researcher James Cantor describes incels as "a group of people who usually lack sufficient social skills and...find themselves very frustrated." In social media forums, "when they're surrounded by other people with similar frustrations, they kind of lose track of what typical discourse is, and they drive themselves into more and more extreme beliefs."[98]

[Bladewire]

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Bosa

I understand what you're saying but times have changed.

Women never change.
I'm an old man and I can still get 20-year-old pussy without having to pay for it.

Women are attracted to masculine strength and it's hardcoded into their genetics.

So any man that can lay waste to other men either physically or financially and can do his own roofing is going to get laid... A hell of a lot

The only thing that has changed are men. We're in a tsunami of weak ass men and fairies and women are just trying to cope and they hate men for making them adapt. It's the biggest reason why feminists are openly being stupid and allying themselves with Islam by fighting Islamaphobia. They're interested in Muslim men because they subconsciously know that those men will impregnate them and shove them back in the kitchen.

Originally Posted by Bosa

Not All Women Want To Be Mothers: The Stigma That Surrounds Choosing Not To Have Children

That's fucking bullshit because even the dykes want kids. To be blunt I've seen a few financially/career successful confirmed lesbos have their biological clocks start ticking the moment a powerful man took an interest in them.

Every woman wants children unless she's mentally fucked up.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

lots of stuff I haven't heard in the past 20 years

please tell me you are trolling and don't actually think this way. if not trolling you're trying to place an entire gender into some monolithic category. like males want this to fulfill their lives. wtf?

I have never, ever wanted kids. I love kids, just have never once felt the bio urge to procreate. ever

some women (AND men) do, props to 'em all for continuing the species

I cannot understand babies and they aren't fun to me and I don't want to place myself second for the rest of my life to be the good mom a kid I made would deserve. I have an amazing mom (I like her as a person as much as I love her as my mom) and I know how hard she had to work and what she gave up to be that for me

she did it because she wanted to though, never once has she ever made me feel like an encumbrance on her goals or her life

it's just not in me. I'm Auntie Jess for life

I know your diaper is dirty but mommy is reading a wicked book so stop crying and let me finish my chapter first por favor

that would be me. at least a cat needing attention can just jump into your lap or spoon cuddle to get what they need. you just switch petting hand when you need to turn a page

seriously though, yeah my work is important to me but it's more than that

I can go dancing, take off to the beach, read, fly out of country for something important (happened twice this year for really not so great reasons; no more, universe- please) and not need to worry about anything but cat care. which is REALLY easy as all my friends and my husband love my cats. feed them, water them, play with them, give them treats and they entertain themselves until the humans return

kid care is a bit more complicated and they do (for all the joy they bring) stifle some options and opportunities. no way could I have done most of the things I've done in the past 10 years alone if I had a child

kidless I can do what I want, when I want. I may be fucked up in some other ways (i.e. needing people to remind/harass me to eat as I often honestly forget when I'm busy) but knowing what I'm good at and what I want is a strength. I made a good decision that I can't go back on and have never for a moment regretted making


when I got my tubes tied in my 20's my doc (a racialized woman) who gave me the referral to a doc to perform the surgery warned me that due to being a paleface with blue eyes at my age at the time he might not do it

so I brought my Indigenous mom and (at the time, now husband) Jamaican boyfriend to my consultation

only thing I was worried about was that the lapro surgery would go wrong and I'd end up with zipper stitches. thankfully it went well and I ended up with 2 half an inch each scars that disappeared in two years

when I get together with friends who have kids at gatherings if they are at least 8 (8-10 is my inner maturity level) I have a fucking ball. we tear shit up and then I give them back to their parents to go home and do my own stuff

I babysit a bunch of kids informally now that the building I live in is finished and full. my patio looks out onto the pool in our complex so I can work, read and supervise from 10 feet away

sometimes kids in the neighbourhood come over too. love love love the sound of children laughing and playing. most of the time they end up begging me to jump in with them

if it's not a super-crazy work day I always do =)

I lived with a kid (9) a few years back in TCI and his mom actually ended up letting go of his after school babysitter as I have always worked from home and we spent so much time together she wasn't really needed except for nights when we all went out for adult time at the clubs

kenpo wars to the death to get a snack after school, bashing each other with those spongy floaty tubes in the pool, 'tickle and dunk' when I took him to the beach almost every weekend I went, skipping in the rain belting lyrics at the top of our lungs. so much fun

kids are awesome, they just want to be and don't give a fuck

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

weird stuff about what women 'want'

again I hope you're trolling but rich and mean men are not a prize, at least not to someone who wants a real partner and not just a good prenup that will pay them off

as to Thatcher (shudder for multiple reasons), I'm a feminist and my feminism includes men. women have partners who are males, fathers, sons, brothers, friends. what happens to them affects us. for real get out of the second wave, that ish is prehistoric

to fuck a dude he needs to be kind, hot and fun and smart. and know how to dance

that's my monolithic statement speaking for all women about all men

[JesseQuinn]

my first double post, strange. let's not let it go to waste

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

That's who wrote it ^^

The male "feminist."

You're just upset cause he wrote an article about you.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

please tell me you are trolling and don't actually think this way. if not trolling you're trying to place an entire gender into some monolithic category. like males want this to fulfill their lives. wtf?

I don't have to troll anyone in order to relieve boredom and if I'm online it's because I've got work to do.

When you get to my age (and I sincerely hope you do) you tend to have "heard and seen it" and very very little surprises you. What I've written here is what I've learned about how the bulk of the world works.

But once out of that "bulk" everything degenerates into various degrees of fucked in the head, weakness, and narcissism.

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

A dude he needs to be kind, hot and fun and smart. and know how to dance

Right here you just teleported yourself back to the 1940s. I heard my older sister say similar. She ended up marrying an ass-ugly cop that was only marginally literate; had absolutely no sense of humor and instead of dancing he belted people. (In fact, he often said he didn't like music)

She bore the man 6 kids.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Right here you just teleported yourself back to the 1940s

lol, not at all. highly doubt my marriage would have been supported in that era, hell in the US it would have been illegal

I live by what I believe. I married a man who although not the greatest dancer is everything else I described. but if me and my friends get him ahem, loose enough he hits the floor with abandon and it's awesome. he also reads more than I do if such a thing is possible

to be with a cop who abuses his badge? fucking never, no matter his or her skills on the dancefloor. with authority/power comes responsibility and could never even have a one night stand with someone who didn't understand that really important (to me) principle

not sure how old you are but my parents are in their 70's and I love how my mom has never once in all that time got stuck in her ways/cognitive modes of understanding the world around her. my dad as well but he'll trip up every now and then, for example only being outraged when my boy was often pulled over for walking while Black in TO because he's my dad's son in his eyes and no one should do that to his son

no matter how long one lives and observes the world our understanding is always inherently anecdotal and not something that can be easily extrapolated. to me you're taking the easy way out in not learning anything new that might contradict your existing beliefs

not fair to others whom you know absolutely about, but cool

free country

(and OneHungLow you look really good in green)