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Bladewire · 05-17-2019, 07:10 AM

Trump supporters will say this is a good thing. Giving the Taliban money is a bad idea... period.

Trump demands Americans pay the Talibans travel expenses

The Trump administration asked Congress earlier this year for funds to reimburse Afghanistan’s Taliban for expenses the insurgent group incurs attending peace talks, according to a spokesman for the chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense.

The money would cover the Taliban’s costs for expenses such as transportation, lodging, food and supplies, said Kevin Spicer, spokesman for Indiana Democrat Peter J. Visclosky, in a statement for CQ Roll Call.

“The Defense Department requested fiscal 2020 funding to support certain reconciliation activities, including logistic support for members of the Taliban and, in March 2019, they sent a notification letter to the Committee on using fiscal year 2019 funds for similar activities,” Spicer said.

The Pentagon’s request to funnel U.S. funds to the Taliban “would implicate provisions of law concerning material support to terrorists, the Taliban’s ongoing offensive operations against U.S. service members, and their continuing lack of acknowledgement of the government of Afghanistan or the rights of women in Afghan society,” said Spicer.

Consequently, Visclosky’s panel approved on Wednesday a $690.2 billion Defense spending bill for fiscal 2020 that bars any funds for reimbursing the Taliban.

Life imitating ‘The Onion’
Under the request, however, the U.S. government would funnel funds to a violent group that once harbored Osama bin Laden — a fighting force that U.S. troops have been combating for more than 18 years.

The Taliban is a well-funded organization, too. And much of its money has been earned from a drug trade that is killing record numbers of Americans. The group may net at least $800 million a year from opium trafficking and related activities.

Afghanistan’s opium trade has, in turn, contributed to a surge in opioid-related deaths in the United States that hit nearly 48,000 in 2017, according to federal statistics.

Steve Ellis, executive vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, said the request for reimbursing the Taliban is like “life imitating The Onion.”

“Even if you leave aside that they are still conducting operations against our interests and allies, having to pay for someone to be at the table undercuts our bargaining position and demonstrates their lack of enthusiasm for a deal,” Ellis told CQ Roll Call. “I’m sure the Taliban would like whatever cash we’re willing to give them, but it’s not like they aren’t able to continue funding their fighting. How about using some of that cash instead of American taxpayer dollars.”

Visclosky’s bill not only zeroes out the request for funds to reimburse the Taliban but also includes a provision barring reimbursements for the Taliban unless certain conditions are met.

“None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to pay the expenses of any member of the Taliban to participate in any meeting that does not include the participation of members of the Government of Afghanistan or that restricts the participation of women,” the provision says.

Aides declined to disclose the amount of money at issue in the fiscal 2020 request or the fiscal 2019 expenditure until the committee report accompanying the legislation is made public next week.

Taliban’s well-financed insurgency
The Taliban is a political movement and a military organization that ran about three-quarters of Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, when U.S. military forces ousted the regime. The group was recently reported to control nearly half the country’s districts.

The Taliban is not on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations, even though the group deliberately targets civilians in some attacks. The group’s omission from the list is widely seen as driven by the U.S. government’s need to engage diplomatically with the Taliban.

Since last October, U.S. government delegations have engaged in six rounds of peace talks in Qatar with Taliban representatives. The Taliban has insisted that Afghan government officials be excluded from the talks, and the U.S. delegation has consented to that.

In addition, three separate meetings reportedly were held in Moscow since 2017 between Taliban interlocutors and senior Afghan politicians.

Afghanistan’s opium trade in 2017 was estimated to be valued at between $4.1 billion and $6.6 billion, according to the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime. The Taliban is believed to be netting about 20 percent of that, the U.S. military command in Afghanistan has reported. If those figures are accurate, the Taliban earns more than $800 million a year on drugs, and U.S. officials have said this drug money funds most of the Taliban’s activities.

A spokesman for the Pentagon comptroller referred a reporter to U.S. Central Command, which had not replied to repeated requests for comment by press time.

celandina · 05-17-2019, 07:17 AM

This is akin to an action of any decaying Empire...

Just like Old Rome paid off the Huns and later the Vandals, or the Chinese paying off the Mongols....and guess where it all got them

Barbarians eventually always defeat the decaying Empires. Nothing new here, just history repeating itself.

Rochard · 05-17-2019, 07:19 AM

Let's keep in mind the Taliban, besides being bad people, supported Osama bin Laden when he planned the 9/11 attacks and then protected him after the United States came for him.

beerptrol · 05-17-2019, 09:32 AM

I'm surprised he didn't petition the government to pay for an all inclusive vacation for the Taliban at one of his resorts.

crockett · 05-17-2019, 09:35 AM

Of course Trump would do this...

Bladewire · 05-17-2019, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beerptrol

I'm surprised he didn't petition the government to pay for an all inclusive vacation for the Taliban at one of his resorts.

Next we'll be finding out he's having them over to the White House for dinner serving McDonald's and KFC

crockett · 05-17-2019, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Let's keep in mind the Taliban, besides being bad people, supported Osama bin Laden when he planned the 9/11 attacks and then protected him after the United States came for him.

That was also Pakistan and look how pissed off Republicans were when Obama sent special forces into Pakistan to kill bin Laden.

That episode of Republican outrage should have been enough for every American to know Republicans are traitors.

The Afghan war was never about getting bin Laden it was so oil companies could get the unicol gas oil pipeline through Afghanistan.

Republicans hated that Obama got bin Laden because it meant US troops could wrap up the war.. With bin Laden dead there was no more bogeyman..

Republicans want a continuous supply of US troops in Afghanistan and the ME to protect oil..

It's why every Republican since Reagan has tried to stir shit in the ME..

They were scared shitless Russia was gonna take over Afghanistan in the 80s so since then it's been stir the pot to start a new war to keep Russia out.

celandina · 05-18-2019, 09:09 AM

This guy killed an American soldier in Afghanistan and just got 10 million dollars compensation from the Canadian government, because he was too young (16 at the time) to be responsible...

....this is the reason the West will loose... Appeasement and more of the same.

King Mark · 05-18-2019, 10:06 AM

Trump always rewards and defends the wahhabis. His cult members dont understand this.

They really dont get it. They support terrorism.

05-17-2019, 07:10 AM	#1
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	Trump demands Americans pay the Talibans travel expenses Trump supporters will say this is a good thing. Giving the Taliban money is a bad idea... period. Trump demands Americans pay the Talibans travel expenses The Trump administration asked Congress earlier this year for funds to reimburse Afghanistan’s Taliban for expenses the insurgent group incurs attending peace talks, according to a spokesman for the chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense. The money would cover the Taliban’s costs for expenses such as transportation, lodging, food and supplies, said Kevin Spicer, spokesman for Indiana Democrat Peter J. Visclosky, in a statement for CQ Roll Call. “The Defense Department requested fiscal 2020 funding to support certain reconciliation activities, including logistic support for members of the Taliban and, in March 2019, they sent a notification letter to the Committee on using fiscal year 2019 funds for similar activities,” Spicer said. The Pentagon’s request to funnel U.S. funds to the Taliban “would implicate provisions of law concerning material support to terrorists, the Taliban’s ongoing offensive operations against U.S. service members, and their continuing lack of acknowledgement of the government of Afghanistan or the rights of women in Afghan society,” said Spicer. Consequently, Visclosky’s panel approved on Wednesday a $690.2 billion Defense spending bill for fiscal 2020 that bars any funds for reimbursing the Taliban. Life imitating ‘The Onion’ Under the request, however, the U.S. government would funnel funds to a violent group that once harbored Osama bin Laden — a fighting force that U.S. troops have been combating for more than 18 years. The Taliban is a well-funded organization, too. And much of its money has been earned from a drug trade that is killing record numbers of Americans. The group may net at least $800 million a year from opium trafficking and related activities. Afghanistan’s opium trade has, in turn, contributed to a surge in opioid-related deaths in the United States that hit nearly 48,000 in 2017, according to federal statistics. Steve Ellis, executive vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, said the request for reimbursing the Taliban is like “life imitating The Onion.” “Even if you leave aside that they are still conducting operations against our interests and allies, having to pay for someone to be at the table undercuts our bargaining position and demonstrates their lack of enthusiasm for a deal,” Ellis told CQ Roll Call. “I’m sure the Taliban would like whatever cash we’re willing to give them, but it’s not like they aren’t able to continue funding their fighting. How about using some of that cash instead of American taxpayer dollars.” Visclosky’s bill not only zeroes out the request for funds to reimburse the Taliban but also includes a provision barring reimbursements for the Taliban unless certain conditions are met. “None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to pay the expenses of any member of the Taliban to participate in any meeting that does not include the participation of members of the Government of Afghanistan or that restricts the participation of women,” the provision says. Aides declined to disclose the amount of money at issue in the fiscal 2020 request or the fiscal 2019 expenditure until the committee report accompanying the legislation is made public next week. Taliban’s well-financed insurgency The Taliban is a political movement and a military organization that ran about three-quarters of Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, when U.S. military forces ousted the regime. The group was recently reported to control nearly half the country’s districts. The Taliban is not on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations, even though the group deliberately targets civilians in some attacks. The group’s omission from the list is widely seen as driven by the U.S. government’s need to engage diplomatically with the Taliban. Since last October, U.S. government delegations have engaged in six rounds of peace talks in Qatar with Taliban representatives. The Taliban has insisted that Afghan government officials be excluded from the talks, and the U.S. delegation has consented to that. In addition, three separate meetings reportedly were held in Moscow since 2017 between Taliban interlocutors and senior Afghan politicians. Afghanistan’s opium trade in 2017 was estimated to be valued at between $4.1 billion and $6.6 billion, according to the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime. The Taliban is believed to be netting about 20 percent of that, the U.S. military command in Afghanistan has reported. If those figures are accurate, the Taliban earns more than $800 million a year on drugs, and U.S. officials have said this drug money funds most of the Taliban’s activities. A spokesman for the Pentagon comptroller referred a reporter to U.S. Central Command, which had not replied to repeated requests for comment by press time.

05-17-2019, 07:19 AM	#3
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05-17-2019, 09:32 AM	#4
beerptrol Confirmed Asshole Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Half way between sobriety and fubar. Posts: 12,722	I'm surprised he didn't petition the government to pay for an all inclusive vacation for the Taliban at one of his resorts. __________________ “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” -- Ulysses S. Grant

05-17-2019, 09:35 AM	#5
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 74,777	Of course Trump would do this... __________________ "If Israelis don't want to be accused of being like the Nazis, they simply need to stop behaving like Nazis." - Norman Finkelstein

05-18-2019, 10:06 AM	#9
King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,679	Trump always rewards and defends the wahhabis. His cult members dont understand this. They really dont get it. They support terrorism. __________________

05-17-2019, 07:17 AM	#2
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,928	This is akin to an action of any decaying Empire... Just like Old Rome paid off the Huns and later the Vandals, or the Chinese paying off the Mongols....and guess where it all got them Barbarians eventually always defeat the decaying Empires. Nothing new here, just history repeating itself.

05-18-2019, 09:09 AM	#8
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,928	This guy killed an American soldier in Afghanistan and just got 10 million dollars compensation from the Canadian government, because he was too young (16 at the time) to be responsible... ....this is the reason the West will loose... Appeasement and more of the same.