Trump threatens to deport millions beginning next week

[OneHungLo]

Watch the Dems who are "anti-illegal immigrants" throw hissy fits and protests when they start mass deportations.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is threatening to remove millions of people living in the country illegally on the eve of formally announcing his re-election bid.

In a pair of tweets Monday night, Trump said that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement would next week “begin the process of removing the millions of illegal aliens who have illicitly found their way into the United States.”

“They will be removed as fast as they come in,” he wrote.

An administration official said the effort would focus on the more than 1 million people who have been issued final deportation orders by federal judges but remain at large in the country. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to explain the president’s tweets.

It is unusual for law enforcement agencies to announce raids before they take place. Some in Trump’s administration believe that decisive shows of force — like mass arrests — can serve as effective deterrents, sending a message to those considering making the journey to the U.S. that it’s not worth coming.

Trump has threatened a series of increasingly drastic actions as he has tried to stem the flow of Central American migrants crossing the southern border, which has risen dramatically on his watch. He recently dropped a threat to slap tariffs on Mexico after the country agreed to dispatch its national guard and step-up coordination and enforcement efforts.

A senior Mexican official said Monday that, three weeks ago, about 4,200 migrants were arriving at the U.S. border daily. Now that number has dropped to about 2,600.

Immigration was a central theme of Trump’s 2016 campaign and he is expected to hammer it as he tries to fire up his base heading into the 2020 campaign.

Trump will formally launch his re-election bid Tuesday night at a rally in Orlando, Florida — a state that is crucial to his path back to the White House.

https://www.apnews.com/e32b4a65baf74afab5bb5b2aa061f734

[pimpmaster9000]

the capitalist will move outside of the USA with them no worries...the high paid american worker is a thing of the past

[Paul Markham]

How can anyone argue with this. Deporting more than 1 million people who have been issued final deportation orders by federal judges but remain at large in the country.

They are ignoring a court ordered notice and need to be thrown out.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How can anyone argue with this. Deporting more than 1 million people who have been issued final deportation orders by federal judges but remain at large in the country.

They are ignoring a court ordered notice and need to be thrown out.

^^ See a correlation there?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How can anyone argue with this. Deporting more than 1 million people who have been issued final deportation orders by federal judges but remain at large in the country.

They are ignoring a court ordered notice and need to be thrown out.

You have no clue of how any of this works, and you also fail to understand what is happening here.

No one disagrees with these people needing to be deported. The question is why are there one million people who need to be deported? Why weren't these people deported after their court dates? Why isn't our immigration system working? Oh, that's right.... Because of Trump's policies, mistakes, gaffs, fuck ups, and inaction, our entire immigration system is completely overwhelmed and unable to do it's job.

The entire Trump administration talks loudly, beats their fists on their chest, but at the end of the day... does nothing. Again.

"We are going to solve the problem with North Korea". Nothing has changed.
"We are going to solve the Middle East problem". Nothing has changed.
"We are going to fix the opiod crisis". Nothing has changed.
"We are going to fix the economy". Made it worse.
"We are gong to secure our borders". Nothing has changed. In fact, made it worse.
"We are going to fix healthcare". Nothing has changed.

See a pattern here? All of Trump's campaign promises.... Not one of them has been handled. Not one. In some cases he made things worse.

Obama deported more illegals than any other citizen. We didn't have illegals flooding the border, and our immigration system was working properly. At the very least, we weren't locking people up in "immigration camps" and treating them like second class citizens.

I can't wait to have this discussion six months from now.... When nothing has happened.

[Busty2]

Sure, Sure, lets see if this is yet another broken threat ?

These people should have already been deported, why wait until it gets to a million+ ?

[Bladewire]

Obama still holds the title Depoter in Chief.

Trump has been promising for 3 years to make a dent in illegal immigration and he still hasn't broken Obama's record of deported 400,000 illegal immigrants in one year.

Trump is inadequate and making promises he can't keep, as usual.

[King Mark]

Trump makes a lot of threats and promises. Let's see if he can keep one this time.

[RedFred]

Just something to distract Onedumbho from a failing economy and Trumps criminality.

[2MuchMark]

Practically speaking:
- How can Trump kick-out 1 Million people?
- What would this cost?
- Where will he send them? Assuming its Mexico, what if Mexico doesn't take them?
- How long would this take?

Again practically speaking, this would be a really expensive project. You need law enforcement, computerized people-processing, temporary locations for people to wait while waiting for transportation, food, water, facilities, legal, verification, security, and a thousand other things I'm sure.

Assuming everything works right, A super conservative gustimate is that it would cost about $2000 to $3000 per person, or 2 to 3 billion dollars, probably a lot more. A certain number of people will die and some others will get sick pushing up the cost.

Upon arriving at their destination, they may face anger, homelessness, starvation, or worse.

A Million people deported also means a million people removed from the economy. In locations where many illegal immigrants are living, its possible that a couple of businesses might fail, some places for rent may go out of business, etc. Farms and other businesses that require a cheap labour force will also suffer too. Food prices will go up.

If all illegal immigrants could be processed, and those free of a criminal history could be made legal or put on the path to legal citizenship, it might cost less, and might boost the economy. Trump could still be seen as tough on crime, but as a more compassionate and person and less of a batshit-crazy racist xenophobe. Redhats, Trump and immigrants could get what they all want, Trump would be a slightly better person for it, and the cost for everyone especially the immigrants would be far less.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You have no clue of how any of this works, and you also fail to understand what is happening here.

No one disagrees with these people needing to be deported. The question is why are there one million people who need to be deported? Why weren't these people deported after their court dates? Why isn't our immigration system working? Oh, that's right.... Because of Trump's policies, mistakes, gaffs, fuck ups, and inaction, our entire immigration system is completely overwhelmed and unable to do it's job.

So can you give us actual instances where his policies resulted in less deported? IMO once a court order is obtained the offending person needs to be locked up and the sentence imposed. Not given any chance to disappear.

"We are going to solve the problem with North Korea". Nothing has changed.
"We are going to solve the Middle East problem". Nothing has changed.
"We are going to fix the opiod crisis". Nothing has changed.
"We are going to fix the economy". Made it worse.
"We are gong to secure our borders". Nothing has changed. In fact, made it worse.
"We are going to fix healthcare". Nothing has changed.

How did previous Presidents do solving any of these problems. You made a big mistake here, you pointed out the problems created over the last 50 years by a long line of politicians. He's talking to NK, better than anyone else. No one can solve the ME problem and to promise to is stupid. No one can fix the opiod or healthcare problem in the US until politicians stop taking money from big pharma, this crisis is a making of previos presidents. Noone can fix a problem created over 50 years in 2 or even 10 years. The West buys far too much from the 3rd world and sells too little, Trump didn't create the problem but he's trying to reverse of even slow it down. Democrats are stopping him from securing the border.

You are right nothing has changed but he's trying to change some things, unlike other Presidents who created the problems. By you own statement.

Obama deported more illegals than any other citizen. We didn't have illegals flooding the border, and our immigration system was working properly. At the very least, we weren't locking people up in "immigration camps" and treating them like second class citizens.

Do illegal immigrants get the choice to return home or locked up in "immigration camps" without choice? So having no extra border barriers stopped more crossing the border!!! Get your arguments right or at least try.

You are right a lot more should be spent on ICE, which party is for that? The people flooding the border is due to what's happening South of the border and not what Obama did. US immigration system was working properly. Criminals are second class citizens, or do you want them on par with Americans?

We have a far worse problem in Europe and governments are under threat by the only people who offer a solution. The vile Far Right.

[directfiesta]

Why did he wait till the day before his launch of re-election bid ?

He couild not deport them , as per the court ruling , last month, last year , the near 3 years he has been in full control of gov ?

Just more " Apprentice " showbiz .....

[crockett]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

^^ See a correlation there?

Every time you post that picture, you show how much of a idiot you are..

This is what reality looks like dumbass...




Illegal gerrymandering is the only reason the last 2 Republican presidents have even had a shot at winning. Now that states have started undoing Republican cheating. Republicans will be relegated to a few shit hole states with no body in them..


The population of this country is overwhelmingly Democrat. You guys had to cheat and violate the Constitution to win.. It won't happen anymore.. With in the next few elections even Texas will be blue...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So can you give us actual instances where his policies resulted in less deported? IMO once a court order is obtained the offending person needs to be locked up and the sentence imposed. Not given any chance to disappear.

Of course I can.

He changed the policy so that anyone caught in the US would be arrested and detained. In the past we did a "catch and release" and expected them to show up in court at a later date (which worked). Instead now the immigration department is now a prison system which was quickly and completely overwhelmed. Now instead of the immigration department doing it's job, it's running prisons. When I say "running prisons" it means it's building camps to house them, assigning staff to watch and monitor them, track them, feed them, give them clothes, and give them free medical care. If that is not bad enough, now have entire departments tasked with locating children that have been arrested and are being cared for but have been lost.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How did previous Presidents do solving any of these problems.

They did this by doing their jobs and being effective. It's a huge difference. The Democrats said "Here are forty-eight locations where we have issues with border control and people are crossing and we need to build fences and put other measures into place, so here is a bill that details these forty-eight locations, details the money we need, and exactly where that money will go". This actually passed. Now we have Trump who says "We will build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

One is a serious attempt at fixing the problem, the other is a political slogan.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He's talking to NK, better than anyone else.

Trump isn't talking to North Korea. The first summit was all show, and nothing happened. The second summit ended in disaster. Right now North Korea is doing what it ever pleases, and Trump looks like an ass.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No one can solve the ME problem and to promise to is stupid.

Trump promised us he could fix the "Middle East problem" and then assigned someone who has no political experience at all. Jared's "solution" was laughed at by both sides, and didn't even attempt to fix the core issues.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No one can fix the opiod or healthcare problem in the US until politicians stop taking money from big pharma, this crisis is a making of previos presidents. Noone can fix a problem created over 50 years in 2 or even 10 years. The West buys far too much from the 3rd world and sells too little, Trump didn't create the problem but he's trying to reverse of even slow it down. Democrats are stopping him from securing the border.

You are right nothing has changed but he's trying to change some things, unlike other Presidents who created the problems. By you own statement.



Do illegal immigrants get the choice to return home or locked up in "immigration camps" without choice? So having no extra border barriers stopped more crossing the border!!! Get your arguments right or at least try.

You are right a lot more should be spent on ICE, which party is for that? The people flooding the border is due to what's happening South of the border and not what Obama did. US immigration system was working properly. Criminals are second class citizens, or do you want them on par with Americans?

We have a far worse problem in Europe and governments are under threat by the only people who offer a solution. The vile Far Right.

The Republican party keeps telling us they can fix it and they will fix it yet they never fix it. This was a campaign promise.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The West buys far too much from the 3rd world and sells too little, Trump didn't create the problem but he's trying to reverse of even slow it down.

He didn't slow it down. He just made it more expensive for Americans to buy stuff.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Democrats are stopping him from securing the border.

This is not true at all. Everyone wants a secure border. Everyone wants to stop illegal immigration. The difference is Republicans want to spend billions without any accountability, while Democrats want details, want to specific, and want to spend money properly. Democrats approved the Secure Fence Act because it was a proper and reasonable bill. Oddly enough, Republicans cannot seem to say the word "fence". They don't want a fence, they want a wall.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do illegal immigrants get the choice to return home or locked up in "immigration camps" without choice?

They do not get a choice. They get locked up. Well, now god only know what happened being as we cannot house everyone.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You are right a lot more should be spent on ICE, which party is for that?

No. ICE should be tasked with chasing down criminals, not illegals. There is a difference. The main goals of ICE is go after criminals who are here illegally and also to go after businesses that support illegals, not running down individual illegals. They shouldn't be hunting down average people here illegally while they bring their kids to school. ICE operates Special Response Teams and Rapid Response Teams.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We have a far worse problem in Europe and governments are under threat by the only people who offer a solution. The vile Far Right.

Your problems you have in Europe are vastly different than the problems we have in the United States. We are an entire nation of immigrants.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Assuming everything works right, A super conservative gustimate is that it would cost about $2000 to $3000 per person, or 2 to 3 billion dollars, probably a lot more. A certain number of people will die and some others will get sick pushing up the cost.

That's awesome! They cost far more than that over a lifetime. They come here and 70-80% are on welfare. We pay for their housing, medical and food. Many work under the table and do not pay taxes. We educate their kids at a cost of 15-20K per student per year. Every female that comes across averages 2-3 kids. 3 kids @ 50k a year to school them x 12 yrs is $600,000! That's JUST the education and not the $20-$50k a year in housing, food and medical bennies.

These are not doctors or lawyers we are kicking out. They are low level unskilled workers and many are lazy as fuck.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Upon arriving at their destination, they may face anger, homelessness, starvation, or worse.

Well that's just too bad. We aren't the world's savior. If we let them all come here they will turn this place into the same dump they came from. Why do you think all those non-white and non-asian countries are shit holes? It's the people.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

A Million people deported also means a million people removed from the economy. In locations where many illegal immigrants are living, its possible that a couple of businesses might fail, some places for rent may go out of business, etc. Farms and other businesses that require a cheap labour force will also suffer too. Food prices will go up.

Oh noes..we'll have to pay a few more bucks for our strawberries and avocados.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

If all illegal immigrants could be processed, and those free of a criminal history could be made legal or put on the path to legal citizenship, it might cost less, and might boost the economy. Trump could still be seen as tough on crime, but as a more compassionate and person and less of a batshit-crazy racist xenophobe. Redhats, Trump and immigrants could get what they all want, Trump would be a slightly better person for it, and the cost for everyone especially the immigrants would be far less.

You just don't get it. They are a net negative on our economy.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We are an entire nation of immigrants.

We are a nation built on WHITE EUROPEAN immigrants. We were never a nation of illegal migrants from Mexico, Central America or any other fuckhole nation you libs want to import to pad your voter base.

[King Mark]

Rightful owners taking their land back. Inbred invaders mad af they selective bred themselves into a sub-breed of dying genetic mutants.

Shows they think it's cool when they do it, but use the victim card when it happens back. The original din dus... yall can always go back to mother Europe if you dont like America becoming melanated again.

[OneHungLo]

^^ this is video sums up Mark prince types and their phony virtue signaling

[Rochard]

So.... It turns out Trump did this all on his own. Didn't discuss it with anyone, didn't tell ICE or Department of Homeland Security.... he just made an announcement. Like a big boy.

Utter fucking nonsense.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Of course I can.

He changed the policy so that anyone caught in the US would be arrested and detained. In the past we did a "catch and release" and expected them to show up in court at a later date (which worked). Instead now the immigration department is now a prison system which was quickly and completely overwhelmed. Now instead of the immigration department doing it's job, it's running prisons. When I say "running prisons" it means it's building camps to house them, assigning staff to watch and monitor them, track them, feed them, give them clothes, and give them free medical care. If that is not bad enough, now have entire departments tasked with locating children that have been arrested and are being cared for but have been lost.

Wrong, it didn't work and here the real proof. Assuming that those who didn't turn up are the worst it's good to throw them out or lock them up.

In absolute terms, more than 100,000 non-detained immigrants have been ordered to be deported in recent years because they failed to appear before an immigration judge. However, as a percentage, most undocumented immigrants do show up for court.

Court attendance by all types of immigrants
According to Justice Department data from the last five available years, around 60 to 75 percent of non-detained migrants have attended their immigration court proceedings. That’s determined by subtracting the percentage of judgments entered against migrants in their absence (known as an in absentia ruling) from total judgments entered.

Of course illegal immigrants should be given the choice of returning or face going into a camp. If they're not given that choice, and I can't find any articles about a choice, it's wrong and wastes time and money.

They did this by doing their jobs and being effective. It's a huge difference. The Democrats said "Here are forty-eight locations where we have issues with border control and people are crossing and we need to build fences and put other measures into place, so here is a bill that details these forty-eight locations, details the money we need, and exactly where that money will go". This actually passed. Now we have Trump who says "We will build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

One is a serious attempt at fixing the problem, the other is a political slogan.

Then why are there so many, so many in prisons, so many taking American jobs and so many Sanctuary places in Democrat areas?

Trump isn't talking to North Korea. The first summit was all show, and nothing happened. The second summit ended in disaster. Right now North Korea is doing what it ever pleases, and Trump looks like an ass.

How many other Presidents have done that, how many have watched NK build Nuclear bombs and an arsenal of rockets. You're saying doing nothing and getting something is worse than doing nothing.

Trump promised us he could fix the "Middle East problem" and then assigned someone who has no political experience at all. Jared's "solution" was laughed at by both sides, and didn't even attempt to fix the core issues.

Then he's wrong. No one but the ME can fix the ME.

The Republican party keeps telling us they can fix it and they will fix it yet they never fix it. This was a campaign promise.

Democrats don't tell anyone they will fix any thing, watch it get worse and that makes them better!!!!

He didn't slow it down. He just made it more expensive for Americans to buy stuff.

Of course tariffs make things more expensive, look at it as a tax to pay all the welfare and lost tax revenue on the loss of industries. Of course if all you want is cheap stuff and fuck the consequence then welcome to all the problems they have caused.

This is not true at all. Everyone wants a secure border. Everyone wants to stop illegal immigration. The difference is Republicans want to spend billions without any accountability, while Democrats want details, want to specific, and want to spend money properly. Democrats approved the Secure Fence Act because it was a proper and reasonable bill. Oddly enough, Republicans cannot seem to say the word "fence". They don't want a fence, they want a wall.

A wall is more secure than a fence, the cost of building either is small compared to the cost of illegal immigration. But you're only interested in getting cheap stuff. So if it comes from China or an illegal immigrant you don't care if an American goes on welfare.

They do not get a choice. They get locked up. Well, now god only know what happened being as we cannot house everyone.

That'swrong. Can you give me a link that proves this?

No. ICE should be tasked with chasing down criminals, not illegals. There is a difference. The main goals of ICE is go after criminals who are here illegally and also to go after businesses that support illegals, not running down individual illegals. They shouldn't be hunting down average people here illegally while they bring their kids to school. ICE operates Special Response Teams and Rapid Response Teams.

Wrong again

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a law enforcement agency of the federal government of the United States tasked to enforce the immigration laws of the United States and to investigate criminal and terrorist activity of transnational organizations and aliens within the United States.

Do you notice I give links to my proof?

Your problems you have in Europe are vastly different than the problems we have in the United States. We are an entire nation of immigrants.

The problems we have in Europe are the same. A lot of low skilled people looking for jobs with better wages ignoring borders.

The British are a nation of immigrants if you're going back in time. The problem is how many more do you take, how do you pay for them and when does it stop?

[beerptrol]

As usual he is full of shit.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So.... It turns out Trump did this all on his own. Didn't discuss it with anyone, didn't tell ICE or Department of Homeland Security.... he just made an announcement. Like a big boy.

Utter fucking nonsense.

Do you have a link to this?

Then he's wrong, he has now got to back it up with action. Assuming the politicians don't stop him.

Illegal immigration is a huge problem and the hidden costs are huge, keeping low skilled workers in a country with a shortage of low skilled jobs results in low wages, more unemployed, higher welfare bills, higher police, courts and prison costs, housing problems, healthcare problems and social upheaval. The sweetener is you get cheap fast food, groceries, gardening, etc. The problem is taxes are higher or/and debt is higher.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh noes..we'll have to pay a few more bucks for our strawberries and avocados.

And for some they're only interested in cheap stuff, even if it costs an American a job.

How many of the pro immigration crew on here will do that? I'll bet none are bothered until they start moving into their areas and bringing down the price of their houses.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

As usual he is full of shit.

You're right, he does over promise while the others let it get worse.

[beerptrol]

Start at his properties and see how many illegals are still working for him

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do you have a link to this?

Do you think I am lying?

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/18/186836...tion-tweet-ice

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Illegal immigration is a huge problem and the hidden costs are huge, keeping low skilled workers in a country with a shortage of low skilled jobs results in low wages, more unemployed, higher welfare bills, higher police, courts and prison costs, housing problems, healthcare problems and social upheaval. The sweetener is you get cheap fast food, groceries, gardening, etc. The problem is taxes are higher or/and debt is higher.

Illegal immigration is a huge problem. The last President handled it. He deported more illegal immigrants than any other President, he did it without issue, and without drama. Trump talks big but is unable to accomplish anything. The situation at the border was great - illegal immigration was down and the deportation of illegal immigrants was up. Now we have the direct opposite - even worse. Illegal immigration is up, deportations is down, and our entire immigration system is overwhelmed.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Wrong, it didn't work and here the real proof. Assuming that those who didn't turn up are the worst it's good to throw them out or lock them up.

In absolute terms, more than 100,000 non-detained immigrants have been ordered to be deported in recent years because they failed to appear before an immigration judge. However, as a percentage, most undocumented immigrants do show up for court.

Court attendance by all types of immigrants
According to Justice Department data from the last five available years, around 60 to 75 percent of non-detained migrants have attended their immigration court proceedings. That’s determined by subtracting the percentage of judgments entered against migrants in their absence (known as an in absentia ruling) from total judgments entered.

Did you read what you just posted....

"....as a percentage, most undocumented immigrants do show up for court.....

Here is more proof:

https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-court-data-s/

https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/res...court-hearings

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Of course illegal immigrants should be given the choice of returning or face going into a camp. If they're not given that choice, and I can't find any articles about a choice, it's wrong and wastes time and money.

No, they shouldn't be given a choice. They are criminals. If it was up to me they would go straight to prison. If not, they should be deported on the spot.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then why are there so many, so many in prisons, so many taking American jobs and so many Sanctuary places in Democrat areas?

That's a big vague.

Hispanic is one of the smaller demographics in US prisons.

What jobs are they taking in sanctuary cities in democrat areas? LA? San Francisco? Vermont is largely a Democrat state; I am guessing they don't have issues with illegal immigrants taking jobs there.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How many other Presidents have done that, how many have watched NK build Nuclear bombs and an arsenal of rockets. You're saying doing nothing and getting something is worse than doing nothing.

He didn't do anything with North Korea. At all. Nothing. Nothing has happened. The only thing he did was put the leader of NK on the center stage and bent over backwards for him.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Of course tariffs make things more expensive, look at it as a tax to pay all the welfare and lost tax revenue on the loss of industries. Of course if all you want is cheap stuff and fuck the consequence then welcome to all the problems they have caused.

It's a tax on US Citizens. Period. China is not being punished. Americans are.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A wall is more secure than a fence, the cost of building either is small compared to the cost of illegal immigration. But you're only interested in getting cheap stuff. So if it comes from China or an illegal immigrant you don't care if an American goes on welfare.

There is a huge difference between building a wall and building a fence. And a wall is not any more effective than a fence.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Do you think I am lying?

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/18/186836...tion-tweet-ice



Illegal immigration is a huge problem. The last President handled it. He deported more illegal immigrants than any other President, he did it without issue, and without drama. Trump talks big but is unable to accomplish anything. The situation at the border was great - illegal immigration was down and the deportation of illegal immigrants was up. Now we have the direct opposite - even worse. Illegal immigration is up, deportations is down, and our entire immigration system is overwhelmed.

Paul pretends he doesn't know what we've been telling him , and providing links to, every day for 3 years now.

At least once a week Paul acts like it's brand new info he's never been given, then he goes silent after he's proven wrong. Then a week later he says the same lie. Rinse & repeat.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Do you think I am lying?

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/18/186836...tion-tweet-ice

Vox is so full of shit

They are by far one of the biggest lib fake news outfits out there.

[Busty2]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Paul pretends he doesn't know what we've been telling him , and providing links to, every day for 3 years now.

At least once a week Paul acts like it's brand new info he's never been given, then he goes silent after he's proven wrong. Then a week later he says the same lie. Rinse & repeat.

To be fair it probably is all new to him, he probably has STML

Many people worry about short term memory loss. They think forgetfulness is the first sign of Alzheimer's disease. But not all people with memory problems have Alzheimer's. ... Other causes for memory problems can include aging, medical conditions, emotional problems, mild cognitive impairment, or another type of dementia.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Busty2

To be fair it probably is all new to him, he probably has STML

Well I was trying to be polite and coy about it

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Paul pretends he doesn't know what we've been telling him , and providing links to, every day for 3 years now.

At least once a week Paul acts like it's brand new info he's never been given, then he goes silent after he's proven wrong. Then a week later he says the same lie. Rinse & repeat.

I believe Paul doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to our immigration issues in the United States. Paul seems to lean heavily to the right when talking. A perfect example of this is when he talks about North Korea. He seems to think Trump has accomplished something just by having two summits with North Korea, even though the end result is nothing happened at either of them and the second one ended in failure (which still hasn't been explained to the American public).

Immigration is a huge problem for the United States. Even more so in the southwestern states like California, Arizona, and Texas. If it was up to me... We would build the "Great Wall Of America". I so not kidding. It would thirty feet tall with guard posts every three hundred yard manned with Marines armed with machine guns. But that isn't realistic. We can't spend billions and billions of dollars on this - plus money to upkeep it. That is just not going to happen. Instead, we identify high traffic areas and put up fences (or walls). That stops some of them, and when we catch them here illegally we arrest them and send them home.

But not Trump. He made an election slogan out of "We are going to build a wall" and then "Mexico will pay for it". Everyone in South America saw this and said "Shit, if we are going to go now is the time". So they all decided to come up in large numbers. Trump created this problem and then made it worse with trying to lock everyone up.

Paul needs to stay in his lane. I am not qualified to debate legal or illegal immigration in Europe, and reading websites and news sites that may or may not be slanted will not change that. Paul doesn't understand what is happening here and thinks Trump is all good. Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president in my lifetime. And maybe Baddog's lifetime too.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

That's awesome! They cost far more than that over a lifetime. They come here and 70-80% are on welfare.

No because unemployment in the US is less than 5%. So not only are you wrong, but they would be contributing to the economic growth of the US.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

We pay for their housing, medical and food.

No. Refugees get TEMPORARY shelter. Legal immigrants may get welfare but welfare contributes to the local economy, and with the job rate at only 5% not all immigrants would be on welfare for very long.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Many work under the table and do not pay taxes.

(Thanks Trump Golf courses!)

But they still work, and, they do the work that most Americans do not want to do, such as help in the agriculture sectors. Without under-the-counter immigrants, your fruits and vegetables will go up in price.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

We educate their kids at a cost of 15-20K per student per year.

Good education usually results in better jobs that pay more. Making more money beings buying more things and more contributions to the economy, and paying more taxes.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Every female that comes across averages 2-3 kids. 3 kids @ 50k a year to school them x 12 yrs is $600,000! That's JUST the education and not the $20-$50k a year in housing, food and medical bennies.

Your kids get the same access to public schools and cost the same to educate. You already mentioned housing.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

These are not doctors or lawyers we are kicking out. They are low level unskilled workers and many are lazy as fuck.

Maybe, but that's what proper vetting is for. If they are criminals, kick them out, I agree. If they are doctors, fast-track their Visas, I agree too. If they are common folk like you and me, give them a chance.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Well that's just too bad. We aren't the world's savior.

The "American Dream" and the inscription on the Statue of Liberty that starts with "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," come to mind.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

If we let them all come here they will turn this place into the same dump they came from.

What about the ones who are fleeing with their families due to war and famine?

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Why do you think all those non-white and non-asian countries are shit holes? It's the people.

And people don't deserve things like compassion or a second chance?

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh noes..we'll have to pay a few more bucks for our strawberries and avocados.

Your wallet may not empty faster, but your soul will.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

You just don't get it. They are a net negative on our economy.

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth according to Forbes
Why the United States Needs More Immigrants according to the New Yorker:
How immigration boosts American economic growth and innovation

etc...

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Vox is so full of shit

They are by far one of the biggest lib fake news outfits out there.

In the article, Vox Links to Trumps actual tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...91400658870274

There are other links to proof that backs up what they are saying.

Sorry OneHungLo, you are wrong. Vox is not full of shit.

Rochard is smarter than you, and Rochard has more credibility than you. In fact, this thread is full of epic fails by you. Apologize to these nice people.

[Matt 26z]

The collective IQ of the US is about to go up.

Average weight will go down.

Also an increase in overall genetic fitness.

I'll be so happy to see millions of these beaners gone. They are disgusting.

[crockett]

More bullshit out of Trump's mouth and dumb red hat believe him. This is another M<exico will pay for the wall lie..

In order to start rounding up illegals and deporting them massive budget increases would have to be approved for ICE/DHS and new holding/processing facilities would be required.

Once again OneDumbHo falls for empty promises.. When will he ever learn?