jscott

ChocolateModels.com sending out DMCA's without even specifying any url or content, our sites they're accusing of copyright infringing are front page urls. And ofc they never tried reaching out to us by any other way (email/phone/anything)

Anyone knows who this piece of shit is? I'm seeing "sender name" as Onsist

InfoGuy

From their 2257 page.


But are you even legally required to respond or take action if their DMCA request doesn't contain all the necessary info?

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jscott

good point, hopefully Google is fair enough to not allow these thoughtless mindless brainless blanket DMCA's, false DMCA's.

Gonna hit up Trent, want to see what he says about this bs. Thanks @InfoGuy

InfoGuy

You're welcome.

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celandina

If you are running a bunch of tubes with a dodgy content, you will be slapped with DMCA ( and in the future de listing by Google). The sender only has to identify the organization NO name is required so nobody goes and burns their house down. and NO there is no requirement to call you first, consider it like a "no knock warrant" .

You should post your sites here and I will check for you where the dodgy content is.

Paul Markham

A legal DMCA has to state the actual URL of offending content. https://www.whoishostingthis.com/resources/dmca/

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jscott

Thanks but i wouldn't suggest anyone show sites on GFY, been attacked that way before.

My sites are not tubes and not shady. Chocolatemodels has an affiliate program:

chocolatemodels.com/make-money.html

"50/50 Revenue Share!
Just Promote Our Content and Get Paid!!"

DO NOT do this... is like entrapment, get you to put links and content up then try to break you down with DMCA's

j3rkules

Do they even pay?

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OneHungLo

Were you an affiliate? Were you even using their content?

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We're you dropped as a baby?

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OneHungLo

Edit No.. I haven't have any coffee yet.

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OneHungLo

Onsist is a dmca service. They probably just peppered everything and you got hit.

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AmeliaG

Why don't webmasters just send counter notices for this?

Isn't Onsist one of those companies that charges lots of money for their DMCA "services" but they just use bots and such to the point where they DMCA affiliates?

Let ChocolateModels know if you think Onsist is ripping them off and sending you non-legit DMCA notices. They probably just are paying those guys with no idea they are going to lose valuable affiliates like you.

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celandina

The whole affiliate system is mostly a scam ripping off legit content owners. There are some honest ones but those a far a few in between....

ANAL PASTE

Is this another gross Back Vagina Finder site? What are they doing dmca-ing anyway?

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AmeliaG

How so?

I'm a fan of affiliates because they make SpookyCash more dough without much more effort on my part.

I came out of magazines and always disliked the selling ads part. My magazines were always higher circulation than others in my niches, so they had to be higher priced or else the math didn't work very well.

When I do an affiliate upsell, I just have to figure a good match, not convince someone else it is a good match. If I'm correct, I get compensated commensurate with how correct I was.

What factors make that unappealing?

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sarettah

WTF?

That is pure bullshit there.

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ANAL PASTE

You do know affiliate programs own content? Well, unless its "user submitted".

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celandina

Here is my affiliate story ( this also answers the other questions) :

The guy signs up, the admin lady approves him, next my other person who is chasing pirates submits a list for approval of DMCA notices. I note a familiar link and guess what ? This affiliate has a blog/tube linked to a bunch of file sharing sites with my whole library stolen and linked to these sites. Then he has the audacity to demand his 2K payment. He gets paid twice one time from me and many times over by the file shares.I found another 3 similar offenders.

Then, I look at about another 20 or so of so called affiliates. Only 3 were legit content owners, the rest were just tube/blog schmucks, and even if they did NOT have my library ripped off they ALL had other pirated content . We have killed them all.

Now, I am NOT saying that all are bad actors BUT many are.

sarettah

You have some bad affiliates so you condemn the entire affiliate system?

The affiliate system is (usually) sponsors, who own content, having people send them traffic in return for a split of the sales of some sort.

That sysem works in that sponsors get traffic and exposure that they would not normally get.

That there are some bad actors out there should not condemn an entire system.

I have been doing marketing as an affiliate for close to 20 years. I have never misused sponsor provided content.

I have never sent a single click to a file locker.

I am extremely careful in how I promote a sponsor, making sure to follow any and all rules that they put out there no matter how ridiculous I think some of them are (think Apple Twins there).

I have a significant investment in purchased and legally licensed content that I use for galleries and site design and try my hardest not to violate any license terms from the content creators.

I truly believe, based on both conversations and observation that most affiliate marketers are more like me than like the ones that you describe.


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TaiGhost

Many affiliate are good. And many are not.

zijlstravideo

Try the other way around, you reaching out to owners of adult sites you actually like and think is a perfect match for your product/content. This happens quite often. I really like it when affiliate programs share their ideas or share suggestions, in the end, we both want to benefit by generating as much sales as possible.

Besides that, you don't need to share any actual video content with your affiliate partners. For example, I just use static images 99% of the time.

If it's a must for that "webmaster" to get video content or a ton of pre-made banners, it kinda shows lack of creativity, and lack of interest in trying to actually promote the offer to begin with. Placing a banner underneath a video player isn't exactly what I consider a "partnership" or "promoting an offer" anyway, right?

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sarettah

I should have asked, how did the affiliate get your entire library? Did you give them member's access to the site?

I have never requested member's access from any sponsor, although I know some people do.

I use the content the sponsor provides, the banners the sponsor provides, my own original banners (with sponsor approval), text links and content I have purchased.

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OneHungLo

So he's making 2k (a week? month?) with your content on his tube and you shit can him?

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sarettah

lol, I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, they are earning 2k with you, which means they are sending sales.

Would you have had those sales without them?

I still don't agree with doing that kind of biz with file lockers but the sponsor should be more concerned with the sale than anything else.


Strictly imho of course.

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OneHungLo

I'm getting Paul Markham vibes from celandina's hot take on adult affiliate marketing.

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ANAL PASTE

So he has links to file share sites to download entire library and advertise your site on the same tube? He either has some really lazy free loaders or you are full of shit. I have never ever seen anything like it on file locker tubes.

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TaiGhost

That part of the process needs to be looked at or improved. We manually review each affiliate application and approve after looking at submitted sites among other protocols, usually within hours of application. I would say we have less than a 1% rejection rate due to suspected frauds etc. We find most affiliates, not vouching for anyone here necessarily, but most are hard working and trying to earn a living. The affiliates involved with piracy are out there. You can avoid them if you wish by utilizing better pre-approval review. Also, try emailing applicants to discuss their plans and proposed methods for promotion.

Review your review process.

celandina

This is NO secret.... I have NO membership, BUT a VOD with about 50 movies. ( Streaming and DVDs). I guess the guy bought all 50, but he also uploaded them to at least another 50 tubes and file shares.... By the time I found out some of them had over 500,000 hits. Now multtiply it by 50 and tell me how much money this schmuck made ?

Now you tell me from what source these affiliates send you traffic ? What are their sites and how many have their own original produced content. I'll bet that most have tubes, blogs, reddit accounts and other similar thieves ridden sites.

celandina

I have said in my post that NOT all affiliates are bad, you must be one of the few good ones....

and it is fine that you demand 50% of revenue from the traffic you get to that content owner? Where you get this traffic ? Likely from some sort of site with "user uploaded content".

... and do not get me started on "licensed" content. There are legit guys here BUT also some very very dodgy.

,, and as I have said I had 30 or so real affiliates aand only about 5 in total were legit.

celandina

Lets agree with that

celandina

When I was "young and foolish" and before I have determined that most were usurious scammers I have given them banners, an access to about 2000 jpgs and 100 or so various clips. But once they realize that the content was popular then why NOT steal it and upload did ( under different nicks) and BTW:

...this is my piracy report received today from my DMCA guys for September:

I will state the most were uploaded by "legitimate" purchasers of our content and former affiliates.

Now I am done with this topic

sarettah

I am an affiliate, not a sponsor. Nobody send me traffic. I have cam sites built using sponsor's apis and gallery site.


You indicted the entire "affiliate system".

I get a percentage, but I have not seen a 50% share in years and years.

All of my traffic comes through SEO. I have no purchased links, any links out there are ones that people chose to put up, 100% organic.

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celandina

NOT per week. It is way back but it was likely for month or maybe even two. But that was NOT the point the point was that ALL his affiliate links pointed to file sharing sites and "dark" tubes.

So lets say per movie ( I have about 50) he purchased legitimately and he sends me traffic worth 100 dollars or so in one month. To get 20% commission, so my net is $80 per that movie. Yet, the same FULL movie is uploaded by him to at least 10 different tubes. That single movie on those tubes combined have over 10,000 views in the same month and the three or four file sharing sites I do NOT know how many views they have BUT am sure it is significant. Lets say another 10,000 views.

Now, my usual GA conversion traffic is about 0.5 to 1%, so in one month from these 20,000 views 1% = 100 to 200 potential purchasers. The average cost of the VOD purchase of the single movie is about $30 so add it up. Even if you cut such projections by 1/2 under the lowest conversion you still have at least $ 100 x 30 = $3,000 loss per month per movie. When the movies get older of course this goes down but even the oldest movie still generate many new tube and file sharing hits...

So why would I not " shit canned" this thief who sends me 80 bucks BUT costs me a few thousand ? If I knew where he lived I would go and do " gung ho" to him

Just look at the quote above from my DMCA guys.

celandina

Yes that is exactly what he did. and NO he did NOT advertise on any tubes other them himself.

He did the following:

1) He signed up as an affiliate and put a banner, pictures, movie posters, clips on his blog ( all legit). From that blog we got decent traffic .

2) He bought the whole 50 movie library ( also legit).

3) He uploaded this library to file sharing sites and multiple tubes ( I presume under different nicks). Very illegal !

4) He then put the links to these tubes and file shares right under our banner on his blog.

We took down about 1000 of these uploads down on various pirate sites. Also note he knew that content owners are too busy to keep checking the affiliates it was an accident that we found out.

celandina

WE have reviewed our process and have decided that we will NOT support piracy of our content or any other owners content. And that the whole enterprise is waste of time. We have NOT approved a single affiliate in years.

... and I will burst a vein if I ever hear "user uploaded content"

ANAL PASTE

Wait. What?
He bought entire library of full videos from you as an affiliate????

Well that's a first.

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celandina

He did NOT do it in one fell swoop, he did that over several months and under at least two identities. Also his affiliate "nick" was different. I am sure that if real content owners were checking on their affiliates as we did they would find plenty of dodgy ones.

ANAL PASTE

In all my years in adult, I have never heard of affiliate program with it own content selling it to affiliates. It makes zero sense. Unless you talking about Paul Markham special teen bin content for $2 per set. Why would you sell full length clips to affiliates in first place?

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I think there are good affiliates out there in your niche.

OneHungLo

He has a VOD site. I think he's saying the affiliate bought all his content (like clips4sale) then gave it away.

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fuzebox

I was convinced they were the same person for a while.

sarettah

Nah. Celandina gets very emotional when it comes to pirated content. I get the impression that they have been burned badly and probably more than once.

This thread is the first time I have seen them knocking on the affiliate system or affiliates in general.

Celandina will be in almost any thread about someone starting a tube site with a comment about "Oh, a new pirate" or something like that but usually doesn't say much about marketing. I don't think they would advocate magic join links and I think they realize that traffic is important alongside content.

Just my opinion.

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ANAL PASTE

A file locker shit "buying" content??? How long you've been in this industry?
They get it of surfer forums with site rips, then list it for download. Nobody "buys" content.
Most of it is 100% automated.

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OneHungLo

You're preaching to the choir bro and i've been in the biz for 23 yrs...I deal with these guys everyday on forums with rapidgator, k2s, tezfiles etc. I don't buy the story that an affiliate stole all his shit and was making 2k a week or month or whatever and that was allegedly only 20% of the sales.

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Outside of their websites, I'm curious of your other protocols.

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InfoGuy

This is my interpretation. celandina can correct me if I'm wrong.

celandina runs a VOD site that has about 50 movies available for customers to buy and affiliates were paid a 20% commission to promote celandina's site. The affiliate legitimately bought celandina's full movie library at the VOD site using 2 or more usernames that were unrelated to his affiliate username. Affiliate did not buy content through the affiliate program. The affiliate then uploaded the full movies to pirate tube sites and posted legitimate affiliate links to celandina's affiliate program on his blog, as well as prohibited links to pirate tube sites and files lockers on those same blog pages. Affiliate tried to get paid commissions from his own purchases as a customer (think of the 20% commission as a discount for the content that the affiliate purchased) as well as for any sales that he referred.

While there are many thieves out there, there are also many legitimate affiliates out there including jscott, sarettah and myself who operate pursuant to a sponsor's affiliate program terms. We use sponsor provided content to promote sales to their sites and don't send traffic to pirate tubes or file lockers.

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My team looks at the information provided. We check it for accuracy. We pass it to a security engineer who makes final determination. I do not know what his team does.

We have had people submit non-working e-mail addresses and non-existent sites. I think it can happen in 2020. Up until now we are working with a great group of affiliates that is growing each week.

All are welcome to join.

celandina

God man you must rereally slow. I have a VOD site with real feature films on it. I do NOT have a membership site with gonzo videos, some skanky tube, camwhore site or a fucking blog. Anybody can buy a movie for 29 Euros from my site. I do NOT control that. Just like Amazon Prime. If you are so smart tell me Einstein how I can block a pirate from buying my content and then uploading it somewhere, I five you Kudos for it.