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The Porn Nerd · 12-11-2020, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

but all the other stuff would still be there if they got rid of the 0.075% porn.

and i am pretty sure the connected fraud is way higher than 0.075% of all fraud cases

what i want to say: we should treat them nice if we want to keep them, not like previously suggested count on them to change their minds cause they'd be afraid to lose us as customers

Percentages are one thing, billions in revenue is another. CC companies do not want to lose ANY business, trust me.

And being nice to them equals what? Saying pretty please Visa? No it means doing what they say and cleaning out any illegal shit. PH and others do that and they should be fine.

Now if Visa says no more processing of Adult of ANY kind THEN we can panic.

MaDalton · 12-11-2020, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Percentages are one thing, billions in revenue is another. CC companies do not want to lose ANY business, trust me.

we can now debate whether there is a point where negative press etc outweighs the profits from processing adult, so far it obviously didn't, but since neither of us is a Visa or MC executive, I'd suggest we'll just see what happens. Of course I don't hope they drop adult overall, it would affect me as well (it did already this year when Paysite Cash died).

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

And being nice to them equals what? Saying pretty please Visa? No it means doing what they say and cleaning out any illegal shit. PH and others do that and they should be fine.

Now if Visa says no more processing of Adult of ANY kind THEN we can panic.

I am not saying anything different, my comment of "being nice" was directed at the specific post I quoted.

The Porn Nerd · 12-11-2020, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

we can now debate whether there is a point where negative press etc outweighs the profits from processing adult, so far it obviously didn't, but since neither of us is a Visa or MC executive, I'd suggest we'll just see what happens. Of course I don't hope they drop adult overall, it would affect me as well (it did already this year when Paysite Cash died).

I am not saying anything different, my comment of "being nice" was directed at the specific post I quoted.

I agree. We are all just processing this new info (pun intended). We have to wait to see how it plays out.

My guess? Some sites will be winners from all this, some sites will be losers. I think it will depend on what kind of site is on Visa/MC's radar.

TrafficGoldmine · 12-11-2020, 06:52 PM

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SBJ · 12-11-2020, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficGoldmine

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yup this will be a long one

https://avn.com/business/articles/le...ds-893388.html

InfoGuy · 12-11-2020, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Thanks, I hope they find some way to alternative billing methods, but the prospects don't look good.

The other big issue is it going to really affect the models

f Visa and Mastercard have banned all MindGeek and next ban the WebGroup (xVideos) sites this is a list of the production companies are apart of them:

MG - Brazzers, Digital Playground, Mile High Media, Property Sex, Babes, Twistys, Reality Kings, Fake Hub, Metro, Deviant Hardcore, Squirted, etc plus the MyDirty, Clips4Sale and ModelHub platforms

https://www.adultforce.com/client.html#/network/

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

That is over half of the content that is shot in the US and Europe and models, since models will have no work these will affect every producer as they won't be able to make a living shooting porn and will not get in the industry.

Girlfriends Films is still part of Fame Dollars / Gamma Entertainment.

tbaahp · 12-12-2020, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

You do realize that the NYT is one of the most well respected newspapers in the world, right?

are you serious? maybe ten years ago.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2020, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I have produced and own over 5,000 scenes and this may be the worst day ever for the adult industry

With that much content, why don't you open your own site?

Could it be that you are worried because of the type of content you have?

Paul Markham · 12-12-2020, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Thanks, I hope they find some way to alternative billing methods, but the prospects don't look good.

The other big issue is it going to really affect the models

f Visa and Mastercard have banned all MindGeek and next ban the WebGroup (xVideos) sites this is a list of the production companies are apart of them:

MG - Brazzers, Digital Playground, Mile High Media, Property Sex, Babes, Twistys, Reality Kings, Fake Hub, Metro, Deviant Hardcore, Squirted, etc plus the MyDirty, Clips4Sale and ModelHub platforms

https://www.adultforce.com/client.html#/network/

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

That is over half of the content that is shot in the US and Europe and models, since models will have no work these will affect every producer as they won't be able to make a living shooting porn and will not get in the industry.

I've been listening to this sort of fear-mongering for 20 years. They couldn't shut down porn if they tried, they are simply trying to regulate what porn is sold. The more extreme and illegal has cause to fear, the rest are fine.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2020, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

My buddy who is an attorney and also in the biz long time thinks this will resolve itself. he's saying this is a tactic by Visa to ensure companies change their policing of videos policy by forcing them to hire mass teams of video watchers , only use verified uploads stuff like that.
I hope so as my porn career is over if I lose my tube cashflow. I will sell everything.

Your Tube income will be replaced by a paysite income. All the paysites have to do is work within the law. Those who want to make money from working outside the law have to be worried. The rest carry on as before.

SpicyM · 12-12-2020, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Add in all the brands owned by WebGroup - Penthouse, Legal Porno, DDF, Girls Gone Wild, Private, Girlfriends Films, Bang Bros

Private?? Are you sure?

Roald · 12-12-2020, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

With that much content, why don't you open your own site?

Could it be that you are worried because of the type of content you have?

Have you seen Dan? You'd be worried as well

BigFurry · 12-12-2020, 08:21 AM

All this fuzz isn't about porn. It's about user uploaded porn, which includes some illegal videos.

Visa/Mastercard never really liked that, that's why Pornhub.com never was selling memberships and processing credit cards - only PornhubPremium.com was.

This is not good enough for VISA/MC anymore after all this bad press.

Tubes will have to stick to legally licensed content that has a clear owner and producer on file, that's all.

slapass · 12-12-2020, 09:30 AM

Just a FYI but every industry has shake ups every three years. That is life.

We are forgetting one side of this in that customers want porn and neither visa or MC want the customers to learn a new way to pay for things. They will sort it out so that plastic is the accepted method.

Tubevideditor · 12-12-2020, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

All this fuzz isn't about porn. It's about user uploaded porn, which includes some illegal videos.

Visa/Mastercard never really liked that, that's why Pornhub.com never was selling memberships and processing credit cards - only PornhubPremium.com was.

This is not good enough for VISA/MC anymore after all this bad press.

Tubes will have to stick to legally licensed content that has a clear owner and producer on file, that's all.

Exactly this

All the big tubes have there premium/studio content on slightly different URLs as they know they would never get billing for the content on the free tube content they offer.

Looks like that simple workaround has now backfired.

Paul Markham · 12-13-2020, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Have you seen Dan? You'd be worried as well

No, so tell us what he produces.

Roald · 12-13-2020, 06:54 AM

He’s been shooting since forever Paul. I’m sure you can figure it out yourself 👍🏻

SteveHardeman · 12-13-2020, 07:23 AM

Perhaps Mindgeek should be thankful they got hit by VMC rather than a government raid. When that article came out, I tested the searches they mentioned. Zero results. So PH cleaned that crapfest up fast. Go look for a Tracy Lords video on there. They used to all be on there. Now, not a one. So maybe that article and this situation was a blessing in disguise for Mindgeek. it obviously got their attention and they cleaned things up FAST versus ignoring it for YEARS.

Porno Dan · 12-13-2020, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

With that much content, why don't you open your own site?

Could it be that you are worried because of the type of content you have?

I do have my own sites that are run by Gamma, but like everyone who still actually produces porn we do business with Mindgeek

This is bad for the entire industry from both a financial and public relations standpoint

Porno Dan · 12-13-2020, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

Private?? Are you sure?

Yes 100% sure

Porno Dan · 12-13-2020, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Girlfriends Films is still part of Fame Dollars / Gamma Entertainment.

Yes, that was part of the deal with the acquisition

Shedevils · 12-14-2020, 02:11 PM

Xvideos will be next. Looking through social media it seems the writing is on the wall.

BigFurry · 12-15-2020, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

All this fuzz isn't about porn. It's about user uploaded porn, which includes some illegal videos.

Visa/Mastercard never really liked that, that's why Pornhub.com never was selling memberships and processing credit cards - only PornhubPremium.com was.

This is not good enough for VISA/MC anymore after all this bad press.

Tubes will have to stick to legally licensed content that has a clear owner and producer on file, that's all.

See this is what exactly happened. Pornhub just got rid off all user uploaded videos without ownership to solve the situation:
https://www.pornhub.com/blog/11422

They went down from 13.5 million videos to only 2.9 million videos overnight.

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At Pornhub, the safety of our community is our top priority. Last week, we enacted the most comprehensive safeguards in user-generated platform history. We banned unverified uploaders from posting new content, eliminated downloads, and partnered with dozens of non-profit organizations, among other major policy changes (please read here for more details).

As part of our policy to ban unverified uploaders, we have now also suspended all previously uploaded content that was not created by content partners or members of the Model Program. This means every piece of Pornhub content is from verified uploaders, a requirement that platforms like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Snapchat and Twitter have yet to institute.

An article on the change: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqj...videos-content

I'm sure VISA Mastercard etc will just sit on the case for a couple of months, then lift the ban since the site is clean now.

And then Pornhub will actually be able to process credit cards on their main domain too, possibly.

ZENRA · 12-15-2020, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

I'm sure VISA Mastercard etc will just sit on the case for a couple of months, then lift the ban since the site is clean now.

And then Pornhub will actually be able to process credit cards on their main domain too, possibly.

I agree. The public outrage spotlight can only last so long before attention moves elsewhere. Provided they stay clean, they'll probably have full processing capabilities back in the near future.

DukeSkywalker · 12-15-2020, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

we can now debate whether there is a point where negative press etc outweighs the profits from processing adult, so far it obviously didn't, but since neither of us is a Visa or MC executive, I'd suggest we'll just see what happens. Of course I don't hope they drop adult overall, it would affect me as well (it did already this year when Paysite Cash died).

I am not saying anything different, my comment of "being nice" was directed at the specific post I quoted.

You tell em Mein Kampf

NickBaer · 12-17-2020, 08:31 AM

All of my videos stayed on PornHub and ModelHub this week.

It helped to meet the staff in person at AVN Amsterdam and XBIZ Berlin, both in 2017, so they knew who I was.

12-17-2020, 09:17 AM

Some of my accounts have vids, some not. It's just a pain in the ass

3rdshiftvideo · 12-17-2020, 06:37 PM

"I'm sure VISA Mastercard etc will just sit on the case for a couple of months, then lift the ban since the site is clean now."

I doubt this. The Visa ban will be permanent. Last year PayPal (via Epoch) terminated its relationship with PH - I expect Visa to do the same. The faux-incest videos could be a problem going forward...for many sites. Visa added incest to their Core Rules and Regulations of prohibited content only last year. Will see how this develops, but there is no chance Visa is going to restore processing. Half of MindGeeks revenue has just vanishing, overnight. Sad.

DukeSkywalker · 12-17-2020, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rdshiftvideo

"I'm sure VISA Mastercard etc will just sit on the case for a couple of months, then lift the ban since the site is clean now."

I doubt this. The Visa ban will be permanent. Last year PayPal (via Epoch) terminated its relationship with PH - I expect Visa to do the same. The faux-incest videos could be a problem going forward...for many sites. Visa added incest to their Core Rules and Regulations of prohibited content only last year. Will see how this develops, but there is no chance Visa is going to restore processing. Half of MindGeeks revenue has just vanishing, overnight. Sad.

Ever since epoch got paypal it’s like living with your mother in law in a modular home with no air conditioner.

fuzebox · 12-17-2020, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Ever since epoch got paypal it’s like living with your mother in law in a modular home with no air conditioner.

Phoenix · 12-17-2020, 09:01 PM

i have so much to say about this. i just can't.
I am glad they are being moved to verified legal content as well as assuring content owners will be compensated.

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,626	Just a FYI but every industry has shake ups every three years. That is life. We are forgetting one side of this in that customers want porn and neither visa or MC want the customers to learn a new way to pay for things. They will sort it out so that plastic is the accepted method.

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