Business I want to work on solving a payment problem for sex workers

[darkec]

I'm a developer and I've been working in adult industry as a developer and I've seen struggle with payments and payment providers. Chargebacks, huge fees, bank controlling the business, credit card bans…

For me sex workers are workers as any other, working to make money. The fact that porn was, is and always will be taboo is no reason to discriminate those people. I'm set out to solve payment problems. I think that crypto is the way to go. Of course there were various attempts to solve the problems with crypto but it's not the reason to quit. Seems to me like focusing on professional models is good way to go.

I'm here so see if anyone already had an experience with this, give me some advice, point me to the right direction or even give me some valuable contacts.

[Brian mike]

CASH IS KING.......

[darkec]

Originally Posted by Brian mike

CASH IS KING.......

Definitely but seems like not sustainable long term

[Klen]

There was an attempt by some Austrian guy which made crypto specifically for prostitutes. Considering i never heard anything later about that project, i guess that did not work.

[Publisher Bucks]

Originally Posted by darkec

Definitely but seems like not sustainable long term

It has worked since the dawn of time... I'm pretty sure cash is a sustainable form of payment for the long-term for sex workers... The oldest profession in the world

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by darkec

I'm a developer and I've been working in adult industry as a developer and I've seen struggle with payments and payment providers. Chargebacks, huge fees, bank controlling the business, credit card bans…

For me sex workers are workers as any other, working to make money. The fact that porn was, is and always will be taboo is no reason to discriminate those people. I'm set out to solve payment problems. I think that crypto is the way to go. Of course there were various attempts to solve the problems with crypto but it's not the reason to quit. Seems to me like focusing on professional models is good way to go.

I'm here so see if anyone already had an experience with this, give me some advice, point me to the right direction or even give me some valuable contacts.

Please define YOUR definition of 'Sex Worker' - Are we talking about a person who physically interacts with another person, IRL (ie a Prostitute) or are we counting the 54 year old lady who sits at home with her cats, and talks dirty down the phone to pervs pretending to be an 18 year old college student?

The lady on the phone is also a 'Sex Worker' as she 'works' in the field of sex, but she already has multiple ways to get paid...

You say 'focusing on professional models is good way to go.' but to go where? Pro Models who are doing 'privates' in person with their fans, or pro models that are doing something else?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Please define YOUR definition of 'Sex Worker' - Are we talking about a person who physically interacts with another person, IRL (ie a Prostitute) or are we counting the 54 year old lady who sits at home with her cats, and talks dirty down the phone to pervs pretending to be an 18 year old college student?

The lady on the phone is also a 'Sex Worker' as she 'works' in the field of sex, but she already has multiple ways to get paid...

You say 'focusing on professional models is good way to go.' but to go where? Pro Models who are doing 'privates' in person with their fans, or pro models that are doing something else?

Significant details missing from this scenario.

[hamiltonsteele]

In real life it's always going to be CASH! Even in content production CASH is king.

However, all webcam sex workers will eventually be screwed over unless there's a system
of mailing cash directly to them.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

In real life it's always going to be CASH! Even in content production CASH is king.

However, all webcam sex workers will eventually be screwed over unless there's a system
of mailing cash directly to them.

[plsureking]

if you want to solve a problem, find an actual problem.



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[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by plsureking

if you want to solve a problem, find an actual problem.



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Much more succinct than my long winded question.

Cause if its face 2 face, then cash is king - otherwise, where is the problem?

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Would work and DOES work in Nigeria.

1) Most guys don't like having to show ID when they're paying for some kind of sex 'services.'

2) Most sex workers don't like having to show ID when they're getting paid.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

Would work and DOES work in Nigeria.

1) Most guys don't like having to show ID when they're paying for some kind of sex 'services.'

2) Most sex workers don't like having to show ID when they're getting paid.

Quit fucking around with words.

You want to pay street whores; so just fucking say that; because everybody else is legal.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Quit fucking around with words.

You want to pay street whores; so just fucking say that; because everybody else is legal.

You should try not being an asshole who's hoping to make others believe that he's a big tough guy.

Here's my questions

1) What part of the world do you live in?

Even where prostitution is legal there are laws that govern it. (And yes, porn is prostitution)

2) How long have you been a sex worker?

I've been a sex worker since the 90s. It's a very small part of the sex industry who's workers
don't mind showing their ID. Even in porn we use stage names and in case you didn't already
know... Hamilton Steele is not my real name. It's one of perhaps a dozen stage names
that I've used.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

You should try not being an asshole who's hoping to make others believe that he's a big tough guy.

Why "big tough guy"?
Maybe I'm trying to be a very small aggressive guy and you stereotype too much.

[zijlstravideo]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

he's a big tough guy.

Did you just assume his gender?

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

And yes, porn is prostitution

What??

[TheLegacy]

Ok first thing you're thinking like someone in the adult industry - to actually find a solution you need to think like a bank. For that you need specialists in processing who can find or who have the connections you need.

My questions are

1) what adult payment company have you contacted about this?
2) what method does your competition use?
3) are you financially stable not just having cash but your holdings that a secondarcy source may offer help

Finally you may want to educate yourself more on how these escort agencies are able to use credit cards ( eg https://myvegasescort.com/faqs/ )

I am not in a position nor will post it on the board as to how but do your own research

I don't know if this will help

https://www.agencylondonjewels.co.uk...-or-only-cash/

[darkec]

I'm talking about online sex models and payments in cryptocurrencies. I think this is the future for porn in general

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by darkec

I'm talking about online sex models and payments in cryptocurrencies. I think this is the future for porn in general

Most of these online models don't stick around for very long because they just aren't making
any serious money.

Being successful online is a lot of work and any woman that has other options moves on to
something non-sex industry.

The only online sex models that you're going to get interested in crypto will be the handful
of amateurs that are just passing through and those few models that are blowing the owner
of the cam site.

On the other hand, the people that make the sex industry their only career quickly figure out
that offline, in the real world, they can easily earn $200 per hour (and often a lot more)
with just a handful of ads posted on a few sites.

That "serious" part of the sex industry is always going to be mostly a cash only business

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by darkec

I'm talking about online sex models and payments in cryptocurrencies. I think this is the future for porn in general

Oh god I dealt with this before - no models are interested in that... it's to confusing and they only trust various sources. That being said - if you plan on using studios you'll be expected as well to pay cash USD - I've never run into a studio that is prepared to accept that form of payment.

So online models don't need you as they have larger companies who want them plus larger ones have the traffic. Keep that in mind.

[darkec]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

Oh god I dealt with this before - no models are interested in that... it's to confusing and they only trust various sources. That being said - if you plan on using studios you'll be expected as well to pay cash USD - I've never run into a studio that is prepared to accept that form of payment.

So online models don't need you as they have larger companies who want them plus larger ones have the traffic. Keep that in mind.

That statement is wrong. I did the research, they are slowly adopting it.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by darkec

I did the research

I live it and he's pretty much right.

You want to help models??? Create something like Cashapp only it's pre-paid and both the
client and model can remain completely anonymous.

[ZTT]

Originally Posted by darkec

I'm talking about online sex models and payments in cryptocurrencies. I think this is the future for porn in general

People were saying that 10 years ago, and hundreds if not thousands of people have said it since. The only porn it has ever been the solution for is the kind that gets you jailed, and 13 years after it was invented most people still have no interest in using it, because for non-illegal stuff real money works fine.

It was actually easier, and more anon, to get bitcoin ten years ago (mine it or send some Paypal to someone on a forum) than it is now, with third parties, fees, delays and KYC, and it's the same PITA to convert it back into money that can pay the rent.

Anyone who is into crypto also won't spend it, because they're dreaming of the day their 500 satoshis are worth a private island.

That statement is wrong. I did the research, they are slowly adopting it.

What do they need you for then?

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by darkec

That statement is wrong. I did the research, they are slowly adopting it.

Sorry my friend - I've been in this industry around 29 years now and worked with many webcam companies - studios and models so I do have an idea of what I am talking about.

There are some payment processors out there (sure) who will handle adult and crypto ( I can help you get in contact with them in Germany etc ) but in speaking to studios who for example send their models to Cam4 Chaturbate and a host of other major cam sites are from experience only interested in you paying them in wire - cash - USD funds and not crypto. The models - that's another story - they've got a routine set up with these large accounts and are happy with the way things are going. Setting up an account for the most part IS hard to navigate and difficult to use as appears to be yet another (more difficult) step in getting their money. Have I had experience in that? Yup. for several years with clients who insisted on using crypto in payments for everything. You can guess my story - zero - none - zilch of the big studios wanted to work on crypto (and you should know this - the girls don't get paid by you they get paid by the studio so studio can take their cut)

Now if you're talking about a handful of girls who show some interest that's good - but after a few sessions of it are and will plan on leaving for a more simpler approach.

I've said what I want on the subject - the best in your project. As much as I would want to work with you just for the fact of seeing you succeed would make me very happy so kindly come back when it's running and profits are realized and crypto is the currency of your project... seriously - I really hope you can pull it off and want to hear about it.

[lock]

So you have the money and someone without protection of pimp. I am sure ride share services have paid out millions with 1000% less risk.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by darkec

Definitely but seems like not sustainable long term

Sex workers understand cash bills in their hand. The may or most likely will not understand crypto.

Keep in mind there is a mental effect for these people to feel the physical bills in the hand before they are touched by someone.

To get a crypto transfer is not the same in their eyes/mind.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sex workers understand cash bills in their hand. The may or most likely will not understand crypto.

Keep in mind there is a mental effect for these people to feel the physical bills in the hand before they are touched by someone.

To get a crypto transfer is not the same in their eyes/mind.

The funny thing is, once in future cash will become obsolete/banned and only digital payments will work, crypto will become valid then.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by Klen

The funny thing is, once in future cash will become obsolete/banned and only digital payments will work, crypto will become valid then.

Once hard cash is banned we're all going to be living in Orwell's 1984. So it won't matter
what format money is in or even if it still exists because no one will be able to buy anything
without the state's permission.

Sex and drugs will become the de facto underground currencies when cold hard cash is gone

[ZTT]

Originally Posted by Klen

The funny thing is, once in future cash will become obsolete/banned and only digital payments will work, crypto will become valid then.

We'll be doing everything through the Facebookverse by then though.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by hamiltonsteele

Once hard cash is banned we're all going to be living in Orwell's 1984. So it won't matter
what format money is in or even if it still exists because no one will be able to buy anything
without the state's permission.

Sex and drugs will become the de facto underground currencies when cold hard cash is gone

Not really. One of the reason why crypto was invented is to to have alternative to official digital money.
Plus unless you buy or do something illegal, you shouldn't be so concerned about using digital money only.

[hamiltonsteele]

Originally Posted by Klen

Not really. One of the reason why crypto was invented is to to have alternative to official digital money.

To hell with all digital currency.

A $50 bill in my hand is more valuable to me than a $50 in any digital format.

Originally Posted by Klen

Plus unless you buy or do something illegal, you shouldn't be so concerned about using digital money only.

It's 2022 and it's hard to believe that with everything that's happened in society there are still dummies out there who make such comments.

So when exactly did you become interested in the porn industry?

[plsureking]

the largest consumer economy in the world banned cryptos last year and created their own coin. cryptos are unstable and will never, ever be the standard currency for any industry - other than crypto speculators.

too many dreamers and youtubers talking about crypto is the only reason they are traded at any value. there's nothing behind them, especially no banks or governments. you need at least one of those on board if you want to get rid of cash.

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[dcortez]

Originally Posted by plsureking

the largest consumer economy in the world banned cryptos last year and created their own coin. cryptos are unstable and will never, ever be the standard currency for any industry - other than crypto speculators.

too many dreamers and youtubers talking about crypto is the only reason they are traded at any value. there's nothing behind them, especially no banks or governments. you need at least one of those on board if you want to get rid of cash.

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Exactly!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Klen

The funny thing is, once in future cash will become obsolete/banned and only digital payments will work, crypto will become valid then.

Keep dreaming that cash will be obsolete.
Bitcoin requires a device; the poor don't readily have these devices.
Poor guy rakes my yard, how do I pay him with Bitcoin?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Keep dreaming that cash will be obsolete.
Bitcoin requires a device; the poor don't readily have these devices.
Poor guy rakes my yard, how do I pay him with Bitcoin?

You will pay poor guy with venmo or some other fast payment type. Even if poor guy does not have mobile, he can have a paper or card with QR code which will be scanned with your mobile and then money sent to his account, regardless is it classic bank account, venmo or some other type of digital currency. In some countries, like Sweden, cash is almost already out of use.
Covid QR certificate is perfect example how that can be done.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Keep dreaming that cash will be obsolete.
Bitcoin requires a device; the poor don't readily have these devices.
Poor guy rakes my yard, how do I pay him with Bitcoin?

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet...ing-economies/

[ZTT]

And mobiles have nothing to do with bitcoin, which is an irrelevance, there are simply numerous popular and widely used mobile payment systems in 'poor'/developing countries, with M-Pesa in Africa being one of the most well-known/earliest.

[NyLoS]

https://nsfwpay.com is working on solving exactly these problems

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Klen

You will pay poor guy with venmo or some other fast payment type. Even if poor guy does not have mobile, he can have a paper or card with QR code which will be scanned with your mobile and then money sent to his account, regardless is it classic bank account, venmo or some other type of digital currency. In some countries, like Sweden, cash is almost already out of use.
Covid QR certificate is perfect example how that can be done.

i pay my dealer with cashapp but its still a USD transaction.

"cash is almost already out of use", but you are still trading on a government backed currency.

cryptos will not be widely adopted unless they are regulated, so probably never.

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[darkec]

It was helpful discussion, didn't help me much honestly but at least I heard people's opinions :D

[SpicyM]

All it takes for any kind of shitcoin to be finished is a government ban... Any cryptocurrency becomes useless the moment you can't legally exchange it for cash.

Just like you can't replace real sex with virtual one.

LOL at idiots who think this is the future...

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

Ok first thing you're thinking like someone in the adult industry - to actually find a solution you need to think like a bank. For that you need specialists in processing who can find or who have the connections you need.

My questions are

1) what adult payment company have you contacted about this?
2) what method does your competition use?
3) are you financially stable not just having cash but your holdings that a secondarcy source may offer help

Finally you may want to educate yourself more on how these escort agencies are able to use credit cards ( eg https://myvegasescort.com/faqs/ )

I am not in a position nor will post it on the board as to how but do your own research

I don't know if this will help

https://www.agencylondonjewels.co.uk...-or-only-cash/

I mean, if you want to do things the old antiquated way...you can do this.

Or you can DeFi.

[jscott]

Bitcoin is making W.U. obsolete. Check El Salvador

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/el-s...on-a-year.html

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

[beavr]

Good luck with that.

We are looking for peer to peer money tools on https://www.sexlikereal.com/ to address creators, script makers, performers and active users economy. I can definitely see a way for smart contracts and DeFi.